Episode talk:Let It Bleed

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Contents 1 New episode checklist 1.1 Episode Updates 1.2 Character Updates 1.3 Character/Reference/Powers Updates 1.4 Miscellaneous Updates 1.5 New Images 2 Sylar's back 3 Sylar pulled a Harvey Dent... 4 They don't appear to be wrapping things up.... 5 Actors and characters 6 Flight 7 Peter's Power 8 I doubt she told you everything 9 Edgar's List 10 Questions for Jim 11 Was Claire... 12 Sylar and Claire? 13 Summary images 14 Summary

Sylar's back

Ohman... Sylar's baaaaaaaaaaaaack! :D Steven0328 21:03, 4 January 2010 (EST)

• Not all the way. Looks like Hiro changed him with what he said in the Burnt Toast Diner.—Ratclaws 23:23, 4 January 2010 (EST)

Sylar pulled a Harvey Dent...

...when Samuel attacked him. Haha, I so need to see a screencap of that. -Sincerely, Thrashmeister » talk- 22:20, 4 January 2010 (EST)

• I thought the exact same thing. It was pretty cool to see.—Catalyst · Talk · HL 22:29, 4 January 2010 (EST)
• i know it looked funny get a picture of it
  • A Harvey Dent Special :D —— Futurepeter ( U - T - C) 10:20, 5 January 2010 (EST)

• • • That image really creeps me out! — Leckie — Talk 14:23, 5 January 2010 (EST)
      • I Don't want to be a spoilbreaker, but isn't thi in episode let it bleed? — (WaterRatj) 17:57, 5 January 2010 (EST)
        • Yes. ~~IHH—Talk The Gulp-Ninja Series 17:59, 5 January 2010 (EST)
          • Should this then be moved? or not? Not quite sure. — (WaterRatj) 18:01, 5 January 2010 (EST)
• Yeah... I came here while Let It Bleed was still loading (I watch them online since I don't always have a chance to at night) and both this post and the one below shouldn't be here, especially without spoiler warnings, but they're not even from this episode. Pretty annoying if you haven't seen the next episode.—Jas3point14 19:39, 5 January 2010 (EST)
  • My bad. I got the two episodes confused... -Sincerely, Thrashmeister » talk- 22:12, 5 January 2010 (EST)

They don't appear to be wrapping things up....

They actually seem to be opening more story lines. My issue with this is that the season, being rather short this year, will be over soon. I really hope we end up with satisfying answers, especially if the rumors that Heroes has been cancelled are true. I did enjoy Samuel's ownage of Sylar however.—PJDEP - Need further explanation? 23:01, 4 January 2010 (EST)

• I would rather they have more questions than answers at the end. 1.) It keeps the story line moving along more smoothly. 2.) It just shows that the show won't be cancel. Which I doubt will happen since NBC moved the show back to the prime time slot. —OutbackZack 00:57, 5 January 2010 (EST)
  • Have faith. Have faith. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:33, 5 January 2010 (EST)
    • I only hope that they don't leave Charlie stranded in time (a la Caitlin) and never explain what happens to her. I really want that story arc to get some closure, even if it ends with Charlie and/or Hiro dead. Swm 08:47, 6 January 2010 (EST)

Actors and characters

Cary Mizobe (image)

Mr. Nozawa (image)

Sean Carrigan (image)

NYPD policeman (image)

Kelli Kirkland Powers (image)

Wendy (image)

Christopher May (image)

Adam Malamut (image)

—Radicell 04:12, 5 January 2010 (EST)

Flight

So peter is trying to get flight for some reason? Ö Wonder why he wants it. — (WaterRatj) 04:41, 5 January 2010 (EST)

• Nevermind din't saw last minute, he has flight back :D — (WaterRatj) 04:43, 5 January 2010 (EST)
  • So do you think he got it from West or did he get his Empathic Mimicry back?—Icefire227 05:58, 5 January 2010 (EST)
    • He asked Claire to call her friend: West. —Juba 06:30, 5 January 2010 (EST)
      • Definetly from West. I doubt he'll ever get his old ability back, personally. Swm 06:51, 5 January 2010 (EST)
        • I really hoped that they would show West, if even for a short moment! — Jan Rodrigo (talk) (contributions) 07:19, 5 January 2010 (EST)
          • I know, that was so stupid how they just cut away from bringing back a season 2 character. But it seems like the writers would like to forget about season 2 now.—Gibbeynator 07:21, 5 January 2010 (EST)

I don't think that they totally forgot about season 2, if not they wouldn't speak about West, but they spoke so actually the writers still remember about season 2 charcaters. But the way they do it, I don't find it too pleasant, if they spoke about him and if Peter really took the power from him, they should've shown the character even just for few sec.s giving the power to Pete... Which brings us to something else... I'm not sure if really Peter got the power from West or not. Logic may dictate: They spoke about West on the roof - Time passed - And Peter was flying, - So, Pete got it from West. But emotionnaly, the way they showed us, Peter looking at the picture of his brother - And then flying, this is a reminescence of Season 1, where Pete was getting slowly accustomed to use his ability and trying to remember how the people around him made him feel and than/thus he would manifest the related ability. Actually, I was thinking like this, while watching..."ok, any minute they will show West now... ok, please let them show West (and than Peter looks at the picture and flies)...Wow, Peter got his original ability back, that's superb, let's see what'll happen next, oh and he didn't need West... =))) Thus I though while watching...But though I'm more inclined to think logically and say he got it from West, I think the writers left that door open for us, at least for a week, we can't know for sure, if Pete got empathic mimicry back, or if he go the power from West :)= — Jan Rodrigo (talk) (contributions) 07:53, 5 January 2010 (EST)

• • • • • • • He definitely didn't get empathic mimicry back. They explained how he would have been able to know how to fly (he had Claire call West). Ruler 08:12, 5 January 2010 (EST)
  • I really hoped that West was coming around again :( Guess they couldn't get him. — Futurepeter ( U - T - C) 10:09, 5 January 2010 (EST)
    • My guess is they just didn't bring the actor back because they either couldn't schedule him or didn't want to pay for an extra person if they didn't need to.—Jas3point14 20:20, 5 January 2010 (EST)

Peter's Power

So powerless Peter is just as reckless as powered Peter, only a lot less cool. Also, they took Peter's power and gave it to Sylar. Maybe they'll kill Peter, and this time when they make Sylar think he's Peter it'll work. I am kidding, of course; I just hope they make Peter more interesting to watch. Ruler 08:12, 5 January 2010 (EST)

Peter asked Claire if she was going to stay and she said she had to get to school in the morning. It was late at night. Would West really have flown out there and then? Also, right after Claire saw the abandoned CB radio they did a fly over of the city and made the flying sound as if someone was actually flying. Plus, the radio was abandoned on the roof with the distress call still playing so would Peter have had the time to run down stairs and out of the building?

The other thing I noticed is in the flashback scene with Nathan in the trunk and during the funeral Peter has a cut on his lip. As soon as Claire shows up the cut is gone and remains gone. That puzzles me too though because he still took Claire's ability after the fact. He also made a concerted effort to empathize with the shooter and Angela specificlly mentioned that he's more empathetic that ever. What if he is realizing how to get abilities back but Peter doesn't want everyone to know for some reason? User:hr220a 09:12, 5 January 2010 (EST)

• That's not totally right, he still had the cut when claire was around him at the funeral. In the house, later that evening the cut was gone, dunno how or why this is. — Futurepeter ( U - T - C) 10:08, 5 January 2010 (EST)
  • Yes hr220a, I forgot that one too. How was possible that, Peter, while having the Haitian's ability, went down from the roof. Even if he didn't why then the writers showed us so many tips like the radio abandoned on the edge of the roof with the distress call still playing, and Claire looking down... For sure, the writers are giving us tips. But, presently, we can only assume but we can not know for sure, if Peter got empathic mimicry back, or if Peter is starting to retain more than one power for instance like Draph, or if he got the flight from West, or something else, or nothing at all... =) And actually (that's what I thought first when he wanted West for him) he could have wanted West, not to take his power, but to fly with him, as this would remind him of flying with his brother, Nathan. Btw, good bye Nathan, good bye... :) I hope you'll be fine wherever you're.. after death. I love you Nathan Petrelli. You were a good man, even for all the bad things you caused. You were one of my heroes :) I love you.— Jan Rodrigo (talk) (contributions) 10:09, 5 January 2010 (EST)

I doubt she told you everything

I hope Sylar's not been fooled... I mean he has a lie detection trick, right? —Themd 13:50, 5 January 2010 (EST)

• I think it only really works on direct lies, not ambigious or evasive answers. I doubt Sylar's going to fall for whatever Samuel has planned, after his long history of being manipulated so often. Swm 15:02, 5 January 2010 (EST)

Edgar's List

Can someone get a screen shot of Edgar's list? As I understand it several people have abilities listed with their names. Joseph being one of them. —OutbackZack 20:21, 5 January 2010 (EST)

• When exactly does this list appear? During which scene?—PJDEP - Need further explanation? 20:23, 5 January 2010 (EST)
  • I'm guessing right before Edgar runs away from Noah, stealing back the piece of paper that was given to him. Maybe last 10 mins of the show. —OutbackZack 20:26, 5 January 2010 (EST)
    • Do you know if there's a close-up or not? I can see Noah waving around a piece of paper but it's microscopic....—PJDEP - Need further explanation? 20:52, 5 January 2010 (EST)
      • I'm guessing there's a close up at some point. Someone else pointed it out in another talk page. —OutbackZack 20:55, 5 January 2010 (EST)

That wasn't a list i think. I think it was some sort of map? either that or i'm blind xD — (WaterRatj) 20:58, 5 January 2010 (EST)

• Just rewatched, its a map and names :p, let me try and get screenshot — (WaterRatj) 21:01, 5 January 2010 (EST)
  • Here's the image — (WaterRatj) 21:16, 5 January 2010 (EST)
    • Joseph's appears to say controls emotions, Caleb's says spider mimicry, Damien's looks like "projects bad memories into you" or something, becky says invisibility, Eli's appears to say replication, Teddy's says makes things appear and disappear, Lydia's looks like "see what people read" but that can't be right... All kidding aside, good job Water Ratj, I searched for that forever but was unsuccessful.—PJDEP - Need further explanation? 21:34, 5 January 2010 (EST)
      • No problem :D — (WaterRatj) 21:35, 5 January 2010 (EST)
        • Lydia is "sees what people need", Amanda says "Spontaneous Combustion". Can't make out the 2nd last line, ends with -ster—Thanatos 20:54, 8 January 2010 (EST)

Can people help complete the list? The List — (WaterRatj) 22:34, 5 January 2010 (EST)

Looks like a not fully thought through prop to me. "Game Operator: telekinesis" - yeah, 'game operator', really narrows it down a the carnival right... And Edgar doesn't know his name? Also the bottom line appears to say "makes things grow" - perhaps referring to Ian... who Edgar hasn't met... And Edgar himself is listed on there, when surely this is a list of people they might come up against when capturing Samuel? Also... "Fire Breathing Family: Fire Breathing" no duh! I'm not sure this is a good source for canon information. But good screen grab, even just for curiosity's sake. —EkimCF 12:20, 6 January 2010 (EST)

• I guess this is from Noah's perspective (he met Ian, during his time at the company), or else it would really suck :P — Futurepeter ( U - T - C) 13:19, 6 January 2010 (EST)

Questions for Jim

I was just reading the above post, and I thought I should probably send an email to Jim Martin asking him what all the names say (and if there are any that we can't see). Then I thought that I would put together a couple questions to ask Jim. Not an interview or anything, but just any questions about the episode that people still had. I can't promise I'll ask everything, and I'm not going to ask anything that doesn't relate directly to what he wrote...but below, feel free to ask anything that you would like Jim to explain more or clarify for us. :) — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:39, 5 January 2010 (EST)

• Explanation on how Sylar's Power Absorption exactly works? — (WaterRatj) 22:40, 5 January 2010 (EST)
• I'm not sure whether this is a formal enough question or not, but I was wondering how Samuel and Sylar stacked up against each other. Would Samuel have been doomed if Sylar didn't hesitate or was he simply waiting to see what Sylar would do before he flayed him alive?—PJDEP - Need further explanation? 23:36, 5 January 2010 (EST)
  • I would ask for more clarification on Joseph's power, as it's listed on the list as manipulating emotions (which has also been hinted at on the show), but doesn't fit with the Istory example of what he did to Doyle. What exactly could he do? Swm 08:55, 6 January 2010 (EST)
• Does Emma's ability to channel her emotions work only with music, or can she manipulate non-musical sounds as well? Also, she used music to lure Ian...but would that work with a deaf person?—Referos 09:56, 7 January 2010 (EST)
  • Sorry, just realized these questions are from Upon This Rock, which wasn't written by Jim Martin.—Referos 14:27, 7 January 2010 (EST)

Was Claire...

When Claire and Peter were in the kitchen cutting lemons and limes. And she said "He gave me such a grief about dating someone who could fly... And father issues" or something like that, was she talking about Nathan or Noah. I was kind of confused... Cause, i don't think Nathan ever met West.. I'm not sure. Can someone help? hahahaha. —Scorvi12 09:40, 7 January 2010 (EST)

• They didn't ever meet that we saw, but they could have told each other stories when they went to Mexico. Or over the phone, etc. But to answer your question, no West and Nathan never met. But now that I think about that, Noah was the one that said she had father issues I believe. So she was probably talking about Noah not Nathan. Good catch because I didn't even think about Noah there. ~~IHH—Talk The Gulp-Ninja Series 10:26, 7 January 2010 (EST)
  • Thankyou. Another mysterious we might only learn the answer to in a flashback :P could you also help with where she learnt about the plan with Sylar. Did Peter tell her? Or something. I don't know if I'm paying enough attention. —Scorvi12 07:49, 8 January 2010 (EST)
    • I'm not positive, but I don't think we ever saw it onscreen. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 08:14, 8 January 2010 (EST)
      • Thankyou, i wasn't sure if i was missing something or not. Thanks, to both of you :) —Scorvi12 09:23, 8 January 2010 (EST)
        • More specifically, in the previous episode (Upon This Rock), Peter calls Claire and tells him that something has happened and that they need to talk. The scene cuts directly to the funeral, so it can be assumed that Peter told Claire about Nathan's death. Most likely, especially knowing Peter, that's when he told Claire about her father's death, but also about the big cover up. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:04, 8 January 2010 (EST)
          • And then there is the "86 hours before" scene, where Peter is shown Nathan's dead body which I presume was buried finally. Just after they show how Peter pretends it was an accident. Then Claire complains how she was abused by the false Nathan: Peter must have told her. —Juba 08:26, 10 January 2010 (EST)

Sylar and Claire?

Could it be? —Themd 18:30, 8 January 2010 (EST)

• Well, i think that Sylar has a crush for Claire for a long time but i doubt it Claire has lol.— Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 08:31, 10 January 2010 (EST)
  • She hates him, but somehow they are connected. She's one of his victims which he could not kill, there is most likely a story behind that.. — Futurepeter ( U - T - C) 15:09, 10 January 2010 (EST)

Summary images

This episode still needs images for in the summary section, somebody wants to add them?— Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 12:57, 10 January 2010 (EST)

• Done! — Futurepeter ( U - T - C) 15:10, 10 January 2010 (EST)

Summary

Does anyone else think that the last point in the summary should be changed to "Noah interrogates Edgar about the Carnival"? I think we should since Lauren didn't actually speak to Edgar or have anything to do with him (aside from giving Noah the sodium pentathol) —Leckie — Talk 13:26, 5 April 2010 (EDT)