Talk:Charles Deveaux

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Season 2

Should this page be updated with information from Four Months Later? --Conspiracy Unit 09:23, 3 October 2007 (EDT)

  • Since Charles has not appeared or been directly mentioned, I would say no. I expect that a page for the "group of twelve" will materialize sooner or later, and he'll be listed there. --Ted C 14:32, 3 October 2007 (EDT)

Death Date

Can anyone confirm Charles Deveaux's death date? I think it was about October 13, according to Orne's timeline, but I can't be positive. I know it happened at the end of Nothing to Hide, which places it somewhere between October 11th and 13th. Any takers? - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:16, 29 November 2006 (EST)

Power

Okay, we know he has a power now. I mean, he did say "Invisibility, i always wanted that power". I took this meaning that he has a power. i also think that because he could see through Peter's invisibility, that he is th eone that Molly Walker was talking about as the one who could see her when she saw him. ANy thoughts?

  • I don't know, but Molly indicates the one who can see her is a bad guy, and Charles Deveaux actually seems to be on the 'good' side, i.e. Kaito and Deveaux in constrast to Angela Petrelli and Linderman (although that grouping is subjective, I know). OUChevelleSS 15:54, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
    • I think that if you could use your mind to see someone, it would be reeeeeeeeaaly creepy to see someone looking back at you. Maybe his power is like omnipresence or a different type of clairvoyance from Molly's.
      • Bear in mind, also, that Molly is what, 9 years old? Less? What scares her might well be different than what would scare us. Ultraexactzz 22:13, 30 May 2007 (EDT)
  • I was thinking that the way he said it, he may have some sort of mimicry himself. "Always thought that would be a cool one" seems to imply he's tried out a few. Puff0rx 12:07, 24 May 2007 (EDT)
    • Yeah, or since he is part of the whole organization, maybe he's seen a lot of powers, not implying that he has the power of invisibilty. ALso, if he did have a mimicry power, couldn't he have stolen Peter's invisibilty then?

Peter either travelled to the past and kept himself invisible, which would make Charles capable of seeing invisible peole (which I find improbable since past Peter would have heard them talking), or else Charles would have the same powers as Sanjog Iyer, as he contacts Peter in his dreams twice. Waldir 22:00, 26 May 2007 (EDT)

  • I am pretty sure "Unknown Dream/Vision Power" Is PURELY SPECULATIVE so I will remove it. Random guy 23:27, 14 November 2007 (EST)
    • I'm sure that Charles Deveaux had some sort of dream/vision power. It had to be one of the first that Peter Petrelli came in contact with. It explains why Peter had the flying dreams and later the visions of himself as the exploding bomb. Unright 19:40, 30 December 2007 (EST)
      • Couldn't that be Angela's power? -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:25, 31 December 2007 (EST)
        • Or it could be both Charles and Angela's power or one of their powers (plural). But either way, it's speculation so should be left off this article.--MiamiVolts (talk) 23:33, 31 December 2007 (EST)
  • Charles Deveaux is a precog. That is why Peter began having "dreams" of flying (actually premonitions) while at Mr. Deveaux's bedside. -Quietmister t 00:29, 1 January 2008 (EST)
  • Has anyone got any more ideas as to what power Charles had? As we know precognitive dreaming is Angelas power.--Giveitdeath 20:38, 15 November 2008 (EST)

maybe his abilty is a passive one , it might even be empathy not peter's power feeling other people emotions , but what ever it is i can't wait! Sign your post mate, even with the lack of information, I still think that Charles has an ability. Guessing what it is though is like punching someone in the dark, you have no idea.--Steelymcbeam 02:14, 25 February 2009 (EST)

Known Ability

So, for the known ability section of each page, I think we should put unknown for people who we know have a power but we don't know what it is. Instead of saying "none". For example, the company founders, we know they have powers we just don't know what their powers are. --Connorbb (Connor ROCKS !!!!) 20:40, 13 April 2009 (EDT)

We list in the infobox known abilities, if we don't know, there are no known abilities, hence the none. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 20:41, 13 April 2009 (EDT)

  • Also, it's speculative to say that the Company founders all have abilities. There's no evidence of that at all. In fact, I would think it'd be kind of cool if people like Victoria Pratt helped found the Company simply because they were very smart or knowledgeable in a certain area. Afterall, the Company's motto was "one of us, one of them". No reason to assume they all have powers. When they're revealed to have an ability (like Paula Gramble, who was on Chandra's list), the field in the infobox is changed from "None" to "Unknown". It still prints "None" (because, as Intuitive Empath correctly pointed out, they have no known powers), but the character is now included in the Evolved Humans category. We don't have any canon confirmation that Charles, for instance, ever had an ability. We have some really good clues, but no evidence or confirmation. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:48, 13 April 2009 (EDT)

I do recall that the motto is "one of them, one of us". The only problem is that that came with time, i seriously doubt after the events that took place in the desert that they would form a group will people that may hate or envy them because of their abilities. It is more likely the people in charge where the founders and they had powers and the motto only extended to the agents that worked for them. Its heavily implied that they all have powers, just because they aren't fully made clear doesn't meant they don't at all. As of tonight we have canon on one more founder (charles), the evidence is starting to add up to that effect, the writers even said kaito had a power but you wouldnt see it for a long time. And as for Victoria whats the likelihood a person can create a complex virus that only affects a certain subgroup of people in the 70's without the technology to back it, she had to have some power to do it. I would agree though that instead of none is should be unknown, cause when its shown that they do have a power it makes those who are contributing look uninformed because they didn't know about the possibility even when clues were give.Salubri 22:42, 13 April 2009 (EDT)

Not Telepathy, but Persuasion.

It's shown as Telepathy but I think it is Persuasion. Charles could have persuaded that that song was Angela's favorite. --Frink 21:58, 13 April 2009 (EDT)

  • Or maybe he just read her mind...it can go either way. It looked pretty much like what Matt does.Bloodbath 22:38, 13 April 2009 (EDT)
  • Good point. I didn't even think of that! More important, though, is how does his ability (whatever it is) connect to the flashback thing between Peter and Charles in season 1? --Peter 22:20, 13 April 2009 (EDT)
  • It has to be Persuasion. Parkman has only show his "thought implant" ability non-verbally. Charles's affected everyone within earshot. --TraverseTown 22:22, 13 April 2009 (EDT)
    • Untrue, he's done it using verbal cues before. And the camera cues used line up pretty well with the "Volume Four" cues they use for Parkman. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 22:26, 13 April 2009 (EDT)
    • Deveaux was also picking up thoughts from Angela earlier in the episode. His ability to interact with Peter "in the past" is also consistent with telepathy, which seems to interact with other mental abilities like clairvoyance and precognitive dreaming. --Ted C 22:28, 13 April 2009 (EDT)
      • So maybe his telepathy was advance enough to command others but not advanced enough to do it "telepathically" (i.e. not saying it out loud) --Peter 22:30, 13 April 2009 (EDT)
        • untrue. We have no evidence that a lack of mastery in telepathy means you have to use verbal cues. In fact matt parkman only started doing it verbally a few episodes back.
  • I don't know, for the dream aspect of season 1 i say telepathy, but for the flash back episode id like to say some form of persuasion. For one it seems like a bad writing on the writers part that with all the different types of powers that could be given they would have two natural telepaths as founders and two it seems to be different then parkmans ability, parkman is grown and has shown more capability in telepathy then anyone yet but even he needs to concentrate and the visual effects are shown for that, but charles as a teenager was able to do thought implants on everyone within earshot and the effect seem different, it doesn't add up. I think its telepathic in nature but possibly different then telepathy, something similar though.Salubri 22:51, 13 April 2009 (EDT)
    • maybe it's just a different way of using / accessing the ability. Knox only had super strength when people around him were scared but his ability was still super strength. --Peter 22:57, 13 April 2009 (EDT)
      • But it's still telepathy. Maybe charles was just a prodigy. Although I wouldn't be surprised if he's an empath.
  • It did not sound as telepathy when Matt or Peter used it. It does sound like persuasion. What is interesting, Peter was near him when he died, and yet we did not see Peter use telepathy(until Matt came) or persuasion because of proximity. I vote on change to Persuasion also. Also, he could have empathic mimicry and he copied this power from some other person in the camp. - Discipol
    • Peter got feedback cause Matt was trying to read him, if he hadn't there wouldn't be a source for the feedback. And Peter has used telepathy with vocal commands, remember when he and Matt broke into Building 26? Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 14:07, 15 April 2009 (EDT)
      • I see your point, tho the un-experienced telepath was a bit too young for him to do that controlled action in such a large place, with so many people. I do hope we see more of Charles, I would like him to be a nihilistic villain with empathic mimicry :D and team up with Sylar's father and fight Peter and Sylar or something :D like old generation mega evolved humans vs the new generation. - Discipol

Arthur's TP source?

So we know that Arthur Petrelli's main power is power absorption, and at some point before 2006, he gained the ability of telepathy, and became extremely proficient at it. Is it possible he absorbed it from Charles Deveaux? --Ricard Desi (t,c) 09:21, 14 April 2009 (EDT)

True enough, but whats the likelihood its from charles, It would seem to be the most unnecessary use of power against a friend assuming they were for a time. There were plenty of people he could have took powers from why not maury instead of charles. In any case if it was charles he got the power from then how was it that Charles saw peter when he was dreaming about the past conversation between him and angela.Salubri 10:00, 14 April 2009 (EDT)

  • maybe the past converstaion happened before 2005 (or whenever Arthur got TP)? It seems possible though, seeing as Charles wanted to leave the company and just die in peace, that he allowed Arthur to take this power. --Peter 10:37, 14 April 2009 (EDT)
    • nah. Charles was dying and peter was a hospice nurse. It's doubtful it happened before 2006
  • Arthur taking Charles's ability might explain why Charles wasn't present at Arthur and Angela's anniversary.--Altes 12:12, 14 April 2009 (EDT)
  • It is possible thet Arthur took Charles' ability whenever he did and then Simone (who could also have had an ability) gave it back to him as Matt Jr. did to Hiro, so Simone's power could have been "Touch 'N' GO". --Mc hammark 14:39, 14 April 2009 (EDT)
  • If Arthur had taken Charles's telepathy, that would make sense why when Peter's power started to manifest, he didn't pick up telepathy until he met Matt Parkman. He would have experienced mental feedback every time he was around Charles Deveaux. However, it seems like the theft of someone else's powers would be a big no-no amongst the founders. They wouldn't have let Arthur get away with it... Unless Charles was like Maya at one time and wanted his power removed because he was tired of it or afraid of it. Clay wise
    • Come on, if Arthur removed Adam's power as a punishment, he wouldn't hesitate to do the same with Charles if the latter had done something. Also, if Charles had a power by the time when Peter started to take care of him, Peter would definitely mimic it, since he had a strong empathic connection with Charles. --Altes 02:06, 15 April 2009 (EDT)
    • Charles just wanted to die in peace. He didn't need to hear everyone's thoughts about him.. --Peter 16:20, 14 April 2009 (EDT)
  • How would Charles of been able to detect Peter on the roof top when Peter was invisible without an ability? --Intuitive Empathic Absorber 16:25, 14 April 2009 (EDT)
    • That was a dream. Maybe it was a precognitive one, but Charles was still dead when Peter experienced that dream. A telepath cannot leave their mind in this world after their death, like Hana left hers in the Internet. --Altes 02:08, 15 April 2009 (EDT)
    • well when did the conversation happen and when did Arthur "die"? The conversation happened before the show and Arthur died right in the beginning... Arthur could've taken it right before Angela poisoned him. --Peter 16:29, 14 April 2009 (EDT)
      • Peter graduated from nurse school within a few days of Arthur getting poisoned, if you trust the timeline as created by Six Months Ago and Villains. --Gibbeynator 18:07, 14 April 2009 (EDT)

Talk 06:16, 15 April 2009 (EDT)

            • Charles said something along the lines of "huh. Invisible. I'd like to try that one day." if it was Precognitive Dreaming he wouldn't have said it. We should send in questions to behind the eclipse. They're the only ones who can explain what his ability is and how it connects with that scene. --Peter

Memory Manipulation

I really don't think his ability is telepathy. From what he does in the bar we could say it's persuasion, but he knows things about Angela which would imply he read her mind or saw her memories perhaps?. This would explain what happened in the diner, he made them forget what happened, this could also explain how he knew peter was on the rooftop that day (He saw his memories). Of course this is just speculation but so is Telepathy. I think we should create a page "Charles's Ability" and build it up with what we know rather than speculate. --Jenx222 11:31, 16 April 2009 (EDT)

  • I wouldn't... It's either telepathy or persuasion. Or somehow he absorbed those abilities... --Peter 15:06, 16 April 2009 (EDT)
    • From the people at the camp right? - Discipol
      • Charles having the empath ability makes way more sense than him having just plain telepathy. If Charles had telepathy, he would just need to make himself invisible to everyone in the diner, not convince them that they didn't see anything. --Gibbeynator 20:16, 17 April 2009 (EDT)
        • Why bother? Him having empathic mimicry doesn't make sense cause if he had, he would have rapid cell regeneration from Adam, so he wouldn't age, and if Arthur did steal his abilities, he would've gotten the ability, so he wouldn't have needed Adam, but he did. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 20:22, 17 April 2009 (EDT)
          • rapid cell regeneration, does't make you NOT age. It happend for adam, cause he lived to long and was hurt alot and had to heal alot WaterRatj 20:24, 17 April 2009 (EDT)
            • Adam aged only when he lost the ability, my point still stands, if Charles had EM, he'd have RCR cause he met Adam, so even if he had lost it at some point, resuming his natural aging and all, Arthur, whose telepathy could be accounted from Charles, would also have RCR, and wouldn't need Adam, but he did. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 20:56, 17 April 2009 (EDT)
              • Peter has shown that abilities replicated through the empath ability aren't always automatic. During his training with Claude, it was heavily implied that if Peter hadn't figured out how to recall powers, he wouldn't have healed when he landed on the taxi. It seems to take some measure of active concentration for Peter to use the regeneration power, and if Charles had the empath ability, he could just turn regeneration off so that he could die peacefully. --Gibbeynator 10:58, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
                • Peter still healed when he didn't remember who he was or that he had powers, passive abilities are always on. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 20:00, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
                  • If I recall correctly, Peter didn't heal until he started getting cleaned up. Also, this is getting a little off topic, we're not here to discuss how Peter's ability worked. --Gibbeynator 22:49, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
  • Any ability we give Charles is speculation. Only the writers can say what it really is. We should send in some questions to Behind the Eclipse and hope they'll answer us. --Peter 20:25, 17 April 2009 (EDT)
    • No. He was already healed, he was just covered in blood.

Telepathy.

As said by BTE.

  • That sucks, one of the most mysterious characters in the entire series gets a fairly mundane power. Plus there was already a telepath in the group of twelve, why did they need 2? --Gibbeynator 20:08, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
    • Telepathy is mundane? The way I see it, telepathy is actually one of the most intriguing abilities. In what we've seen so far, I'd argue that Matt Parkman's ability has evolved more than anyone else's, and he's discovered more and more that he can do each step of the way. What an exciting ability that is! In regards to the Company founders, I'm not sure the conversations went like, "Oh, you're a telepath too? Sorry, we've already got one of those. You're out." I think they were just twelve "like-minded people" who came together and formed a Company. I mean, at least four of them knew each other for sixteen years before forming the Company. My guess is that founding the Company had much less to do with what abilities each person had, and more to do with interpersonal connections. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:21, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
      • His power seemed more like Persuasion to me? So They Had a Healer, A Stealer, A Precog, A Telepath, An Alchemist & A Persuader.. While by the looks of it the new company has A Telepath, An Immortal, A Borrower, A Strong Man & a Psycho (by the way, he does realize he can't fly right? that should kinda give it away that he's not Nathan xD) - ViciousKillgasm

How TO Stop An Exploding Man - The Dream

The telepathy explains how Charles knew that peter was there. And since at the real time those events happened, the past peter said "these next few weeks can be beautiful" then it must have been after angela poisened arthur and he fake-died. So Charles could not have been the source of Arthur's Telepathy. --mc_hammark 09:02, 22 August 2009 (EDT)

  • Or, it was just a dream. Green.gif AltesUTC CH
  • yeah, cause people just have normal dreams in Heroes --mc_hammark 10:47, 22 August 2009 (EDT)
  • Well, maybe not a normal one. It could be a vision. But if it was a vision, Charles would be able to see Peter with his ability. But Peter didn't mimic Charles's ability, despite a strong empathic connection between them. Instead, he mimicked telepathy from Matt Parkman, a cop he had just met. Green.gif AltesUTC CH
    • Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa! So what are we talking about then? Do you think it was a congitive dream like angela had when arthur put her in a coma (meaning they can interact) or you just think that it was a vision. (remember that peter was passed out at the time and unconscious just as he was previous times he had cognitive dreams.) --mc_hammark 13:27, 22 August 2009 (EDT)
      • I'm not sure what it was.
        • Maybe it was just a dream, no powers involved, no telepathy either.
        • Or it was an example of Angela's ability, i.e. Peter witnessed an event from the past.
          • Perhaps Charles never lost his power and was able to detect Peter's presence and speak to him.
            • But Peter didn't mimic Charles's power, which suggests it was just a dream. Green.gif AltesUTC CH
  • Just because he didn't mimic his power doesn't mean it wasn't just a dream. Matt was at kirby plaza but he didn't mimic that did he. --mc_hammark 13:55, 22 August 2009 (EDT)
    • My point is, if Peter didn't mimic Charles's power, the latter didn't have it. And if Charles didn't have his power, he couldn't interact with Peter in his dream. But it doesn't mean it was an ordinary dream... nor it means it wasn't. Green.gif AltesUTC CH
      • If it was a dream of the past, then obviously peter wouldn't be able to mimic it.
        • Peter was with Charles several times before the latter died. Green.gif AltesUTC CH

He has Telepathy

In the newest GN, it is confirmed that Charles has Telepathy--Icefire227 15:45, 17 February 2010 (EST)

  • Wasn't it already confirmed what power he has?--Catalyst · Talk · HL 17:16, 17 February 2010 (EST)
    • It was heavily implied it was telepathy, and kinda mentioned somewhere else, but it's now completely confirmed by explicitness. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 17:25, 17 February 2010 (EST)

Advanced Telepathy

  • After thinking about this do you guys thing that Charles might be more advanced in this power than Matt's because you can look at how he sees Peter watching them. Just like Charles Xavier how he can do more than the normal telepath?--Skyeatsout 21:10, 9 March 2010 (EST)
    • I'll believe Charles is more powerful than Matt when Charles creates illusions, traps people in their own dreams, makes the most powerful man on Earth believe he is somebody else, and paints the future. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:43, 9 March 2010 (EST)
      • I think Charles has Very advanced telepathy He could push thoughts very early so by that time he must be a master, now if Sylar got hold of telepathy hed be God-Like. Melkor111