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Where's Simone?

Isn't Simone somehow affiliated with Linderman? Like he's one of her customers or something? I recall hearing her say that in one of the more recent episodes but can't recall which one or I'd just add it. Maybe I'm not remembering correctly? Seems weird she's not mentioned in this page but we see Nathan and Aron. --ZachsMind 17:59, 7 February 2007 (EST) ...woah. Never mind. Scrolled right past it. It was Nothing To Hide. My bad.. Was that it tho? --ZachsMind 18:01, 7 February 2007 (EST)

  • She also says he's a customer of hers in Godsend when she sends Hiro and Ando off with the dino painting. She says he buys as many of Isaac's paintings as he can get his hands on. It's not really clear whether he buys anything from her apart from Isaac's paintings. But yeah, Nothing to Hide is the earliest.--Hardvice (talk) 18:05, 7 February 2007 (EST)

South park trivia

I think the bit about south park and pot pies is uh, a bit too trivial for even the trivia section.. --Frantik (Talk) 07:49, 6 March 2007 (EST)

Linderman's power

is it too early to add linderman's power??? for those of u that dont know, it in one of the clips that was released today Theturtleguy 14:14, 4 April 2007 (EDT)

  • Still a bit too early. We don't put spoilers on main pages until the episode has aired, or until a graphic novel reveals it. Until then, stick to Spoiler:.07%. :) — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 14:21, 4 April 2007 (EDT)
  • By now I know the power from the GN. And I saw spoilers saying he would have one. But I didn't see any that said what it was. Which spoiler did that?--E rowe 21:57, 12 April 2007 (EDT)
    • There's a preview video and another spoiler referred to Linderman's power as being much like Ben's (from Carnivàle). But it's all a bit moot now, anyway, eh? — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:12, 12 April 2007 (EDT)
      • For the life of me I can't find that spoiler video. It's not coming up on your link. And I think I've seen all of the ones on the NBC website.--E rowe 22:23, 12 April 2007 (EDT)
        • Here's a YouTube version--should work. It's poor quality, but I only did a cursory search. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:03, 13 April 2007 (EDT)

Spoilers link

No need to link to old spoilers? Should we take off the link that's on Zach's page? And Candace's? — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:06, 12 April 2007 (EDT)

  • Either that, or find a different way to link to archived spoilers. The text is misleading, since it implies following the link will bring up actual spoilers, which it does not. Also, we should probably decide what to do when an article has both archived and pending spoilers.--Hardvice (talk) 16:54, 12 April 2007 (EDT)
    • I say if there's a need for an individual spoiler page, to archive aired spoilers to show that it is no longer a current spoiler. If there are current spoilers still for that character, then continue to have it on the active page. Otherwise, just have an archive box similar to the one used for Talk pages for Users.--Bob 16:57, 12 April 2007 (EDT)
    • I'm ready to delete all the archived spoilers. However, I understand there are people that enjoy reading them. Why don't we make the link say "Archived Spoilers" instead of just "Spoilers"? (I don't think there are any "current" spoilers on those 3 pages.) — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:57, 12 April 2007 (EDT)
      • That's cool. We just need to add a second template (or an archive=true reflex to the existing template). Still, next time a Linderman spoiler crops up, we'll have to decide how to treat it when some spoilers related to an article are archives and some aren't.--Hardvice (talk) 18:48, 12 April 2007 (EDT)
        • I'm also fine with getting rid of all archived spoilers, or at least not linking to them from the character pages. I'll let somebody else make that decision. I'd also feel more comfortable if you fix the reflex, thanks. — PassingTheBuck (talk) 18:59, 12 April 2007 (EDT)

Similarities to Jacob (Lost)

I was thinking that maybe we should mention how similar this character is to the Jacob [1] from Lost. Both characters are the leaders of the antagonists, and were known only through references when they were first introduced. They are also both capable of healing people. I think we should at least mention it in trivia, since people have previously seen similarities in "Heroes" to "Lost". --Sauron18 20:18, 12 April 2007 (EDT)

  • I would see about including it if the character had more similarities, but since it's just coincidental, I don't think it merits inclusion on the article. Otherwise, I could find a ton of instances throughout the show that could be included in trivia.--Bob 20:20, 12 April 2007 (EDT)
    • True. I guess with more info, if they are more similar then it would warrant an inclusion. --Sauron18 20:30, 12 April 2007 (EDT)
      • I think that it's not a matter of finding more information, but the fact that the characters are just coincidentally similar. If Linderman was based off a character, that would be a reason, but there would need to be some reference to this by the writing staff. For now, I'd lay off any comparisons. --Bob 20:34, 12 April 2007 (EDT)
        • ...that and the only reason they'd be compared is because the two shows share a fan base. Personally, I think Linderman is a lot like Dr. Claw, but I wouldn't put that in the article. (Especially now that Linderman has been seen, but neither Claw nor Him have been seen.) — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:47, 12 April 2007 (EDT)

With the Company or not?

The way Matt said it, it certainly seems now that Linderman is funding the company. Am I right? Heroe!(talk) 09:36, 24 April 2007 (EDT)

  • Linderman clearly controls the Company. He was able to get Candace to bring Micah to him without any difficulty at all. --Ted C 10:04, 24 April 2007 (EDT)
    • My take on it was that Thompson and Candace switched sides from The Company to Linderman. I think previously that there was a good chance Hiro's dad was funding it. I'd find it odd to see him working with Linderman. --Xmuskrat 14:19, 24 April 2007 (EDT)

Linderman/Crazy Horse Connection:

On the ARG-connected Yamagato Fellowship website, you'll find a section that features "real" heroes from history, myth, & legend; one of them is the Native American warrior, Crazy Horse.

From the biography of Crazy Horse on the Yamagato Fellowship website:

  • Crazy Horse's bravery earned him the title of "shirt wearer" or war leader. In this role, he led fifteen hundred Lakota and Cheyenne against The US Army.

According to the Oxford English Dictionary, a "linder" is "a woollen waistcoat or undershirt" -- which would make Linderman's name "shirt man" -- which sounds a lot like Crazy Horse's position of "shirt wearer".

Just something to ponder as we connect the dots. Lander 01:08, 9 May 2007 (EDT)

  • Hm, never thought about trying to associate the heroes listed on Yamagato Fellowship with potential puppetmasters on the show. I might have to look into this. Good job.--Bob 01:24, 9 May 2007 (EDT)
    • Thanks. I've made several connections this way -- I'll post them on the discussion pages for each hero. Lander 02:32, 9 May 2007 (EDT)

Bill Linderman?

  • The DVD subtitles jessica/nikki calls him "Bill"...and Linderman replays jessica so they must have been exchanging names!
    • Look below. The closed-captioning people frequently get things wrong. --Hero!(talk)(contribs) 22:45, 13 September 2007 (EDT)
  • I'm pretty sure she actually says "bull".--Hardvice (talk) 03:09, 15 May 2007 (EDT)
    • Oh no wait. They mean when she walks through the wall with D.L. It's "boo", not "Bill".--Hardvice (talk) 03:10, 15 May 2007 (EDT)
  • Actually Hardvice, I watched this episode with closed captioning to get tips on Candice's correct spelling. Jessica said "Bill."
    • The closed-captioning people frequently get things wrong. I'd have to go back and watch it again, but I'm pretty sure she said "Boo." (Admin 19:51, 15 May 2007 (EDT))
    • It was pretty unmistakably "boo", in my opinion. Also, it makes sense to say "Boo!" when you've just walked through a wall. That, and I doubt Jessica and Linderman are on a first-name basis.--Hardvice (talk) 20:41, 15 May 2007 (EDT)
      • Plus, revealing Linderman's first name would be a pretty big deal (only overshadowed by revealing Bennet's name, I'd think). I'm not sure they would just throw it out there like that. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:46, 15 May 2007(EDT)
  • Close captioning people do get things wrong, but I've seen this multiple times and know for sure she's saying Bill. Considering Bill is short for William, that fits rather well with Linderman. This was an off the cuff remark, he addressed her as Jessica, so she would return in kind by calling him Bill...It doesn't make sense for her to say "Boo" after Linderman already acknowledges her. bennetfan 16:35, 05 June 2007.
    • Given that she just got done walking through the wall with D.L. and surprising Linderman, it does make sense for her to say "boo." I just checked it a few more times and it seems pretty clear that she's saying "boo" as there's no "l" sound at the end of what she says. (Admin 18:38, 5 June 2007 (EDT))
    • You know this for sure? How? ... And just because you're of the opinion that it fits well does not mean that's his name any more than "Baal Linderman" is his name (which I think is actually a much more fitting moniker). And a sarcastic "boo" after she sneaks into his office would make perfect sense for Jessica to say, especially after he has acknowledged her. It was not a "boo" to make him scared, but a "boo" to accent her unwanted and unexpected appearance. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 18:43, 5 June 2007 (EDT)
  • In my honest opinion, "Bill" or "Bull" make no sense whatsoever. Jessica definitely said "boo", as in "Boo, I'm a ghost."--Ice Vision 21:14, 5 June 2007 (EDT)
  • Considering the release of the DVDs, which I watched with the subtitles on just for this particular argument, when she walks through the wall the subtitle lists it as Bill, not boo. So, considering the subtitles say Bill...Does that lay this argument to rest, or do we need like official Tim Kring confirmation to official call Linderman, Bill? -- Bennetfan
    • We're no closer than we were a few months ago. As Admin said, the closed-captioning people frequently get things wrong. They often take their information from what they hear, not from what is written, so it's hardly canon. And again, I'm going to go with the argument that it's a pretty lousy way to reveal a name (compare with the other Noah's name reveal). Plus, nobody official has said a word about it, yet they've talked tons about Noah's name being revealed. I'm just not buying it...but I'll ask Oliver Grigsby next time I send him an email. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 10:11, 1 September 2007 (EDT)

Dan's the Man?

So the newest Heroes 360 video about Kensei calls Mr. Linderman "Daniel Linderman", and they are very clear that *this* is the same Mr. Linderman we know. The page was just updated to use David? I'm not sure where that came from, but we also have Bill on the DVD. I would think Daniel would be best.--MiamiVolts (talk) 01:42, 25 September 2007 (EDT)

  • The captioning that says "Bill" is a mistake. Niki said "boo" and the captioning people just got it wrong. Happens quite a bit. However the Kensei video was very clear that his name is "Daniel". The only question is whether that name only belongs in the notes section or not. I took the safe route of just adding it to the notes, but the other info was subsequently modified. (Admin 01:45, 25 September 2007 (EDT))
    • my fault on the David-Daniel thing XO, smash-ed haste fouled things up.--SacValleyDweller 02:23, 25 September 2007 (EDT)
  • Mr. Bennet's page got changed when his name was revealed, but that's because it was said in the show. Seeing as how we probably won't be seeing or hearing as much about Linderman as him, and because his name was never revealed on screen, I say we keep Linderman's page as it is for now, and just put the Daniel in the notes section or something. --Piemanmoo 02:52, 25 September 2007 (EDT)
    • Somehow, I think Linderman's character will be coming back...but yeah, putting it in notes is probably the best idea.--MiamiVolts (talk) 03:00, 25 September 2007 (EDT)
      • I agree, I'd rather keep it in the notes for now. I'm still not sure we've figured out exactly how to handle Heroes 360 content. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 06:44, 25 September 2007 (EDT)
  • Okay, corinthianlasvegas.com has been updated too. They also say "Daniel Linderman". I'm thinking it's probably best to move the page now. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:15, 26 September 2007 (EDT)
    • Agreed. That's two near-canon sources for "Daniel", and no contradicting canon sources (unless you count Ali Larter's sex-kitten voice). That's more of a basis than we had for Kaito's first name, or for Angela's, when their articles were so labeled.--Hardvice (talk) 00:49, 27 September 2007 (EDT)
      • Yeah, I'm wondering why we didn't jump at this when it was mentioned on Monday, and I can only come up with one difference between Linderman and Angela or Kaito. Linderman has been just a last name for so long that you'd think his name would be a big reveal, not quietly mentioned in some fake documentary or on a website that not a lot of people visit. I mean, couldn't Kaito have said, "They're all dead: Charles Deveaux, Daniel Linderman, and your husband"? Ah well, interesting choice by the creative staff....I'll go ahead and make the change now. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 06:10, 27 September 2007 (EDT)
        • I actually wonder if they didn't go ahead and reveal it via whatever channel was available (bearing in mind that 4ML has been in the can for a while, no doubt) just to resolve the whole "Bill vs. Boo" debate. After all, they might be feeling guilty for stirring that one up again thanks to the DVD's less-than-perfect subtitling.--Hardvice (talk) 06:35, 27 September 2007 (EDT)

Disciples

  • I thought it was that Adam was one of Linderman's "disciples", rather than the other way around, as stated in this article? I don't want to change it though in case I'm wrong.--  Lost Soul   talk  contribs  16:40, 6 November 2007 (EST)
    • I'm pretty sure Bob said it was Linderman who was Adam's disciple. Which would also make sense since Adam is much older than Linderman. (Admin 16:41, 6 November 2007 (EST))
    • Just checked the scene again. Bob says, "Linderman was Adam's disciple." (Admin 16:43, 6 November 2007 (EST))

us army rank.

If you check his sleeve in the first panel of War Buddies, Part 7, you see that he is a Corporal. I put that in, but it needs to be smoothed out better.--SacValleyDweller (talk) 16:21, 19 February 2008 (EST)

archive for season three history

Someone should do this.--Bob (talk) 02:04, 23 September 2008 (EDT)

Done. Cyfin 05:05, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Head of the Company?

It's just speculation that Linderman preceded Bob as the head of the Company, isn't it? Pierre 06:33, 30 September 2008 (EDT)

  • I thought Bob might have mentioned that he was taking over for Linderman at some point (most likely in Out of Time) but I don't have the Season 2 DVDs (shame on me  :(), so I can't check. Stevehim 12:21, 5 October 2008 (EDT)
    • In Elle's First Assignment (which takes place during the beginning of season one), Bob seems to be the head of the Company, but he also says that "Linderman is a major player". --Referos 12:28, 5 October 2008 (EDT)
      • Given that he is one of the founders, its not strange he is referred to as a "major player". It still leaves the question if he was the director. Given how busy Bob and Angela has been during their time as Company heads, it seems rather unlikely that Linderman, managing several public businesses (and quite a few illegal ones) one would think that he wouldn't have the time to operate the Company as well. Anyhow - that's all speculation. Do we have any hard evidence, one way or another? Pierre 12:38, 5 October 2008 (EDT)
        • None of which I'm aware. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:09, 5 October 2008 (EDT)
          • I think we do, actually.

“I love me some badass Angela Petrelli, but what I love about her is her grayness and what seems to be the struggle with her heart and her brain. Will we see more of that Angela? I hope she's not becoming a black-and-white character.”

You’ll see lots more of Angela Petrelli as she’s taking over Primatech this season. However, all the other people that have held that position — Linderman and Bob — didn’t seem to last long. BTE = Week One--Riddler 16:12, 5 October 2008 (EDT)

  • Yeah, that interview's what I went off of when I put Linderman in the Company heads template. That, and it just seemed a little too convenient that Bob is introduced as the head as soon as Linderman was killed. Cyfin 08:39, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
    • From Normal Lives: "And without Daniel Linderman, the Company was like a chicken with its head cut off". This suggest that he was the head of the Company before Bob.--Citizen 10:47, 25 October 2008 (EDT)
      • ... or just a strong leader...or the purse. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk)
        • And doesn't Cyfin's quote kinda confirm it?--Citizen 11:29, 25 October 2008 (EDT)

Appearences

Is it trivial if we add it to the page that, he appeared in more episodes when he is dead than he was alive? --Hellknight 12:29, 28 October 2008 (EDT)

  • It's definitely trivial, but I think it's okay to add in the character's notes section.--MiamiVolts (talk) 01:14, 31 October 2008 (EDT)

Season 3

since tchnically Linderman only appeared in "Villians" this season, shouldn't all the illusion Linderman's activities be put in Maury's page since it was really him? -- D Toccs 07:23, 22 December 2008 (EST)

  • No. The character still appeared as a figment. That's how we've always handled illusions and telepathic distortions. We just need to be clear that it wasn't Linderman coming back from the dead or anything like that. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:19, 21 December 2008 (EST)

Name trivia?

I'm not exactly sure how it should be done; however, I believe that the trivia section should be straightened out. I love when we explain the origins of names and their meanings, but come on, "a woollen waistcoat?" From what I gathered from the four different possibilities of origin, I understand that a lot of different people have different theories about it. Because it is a trivia section, I also understand that it may not matter that much anyway, but is it necessary to have four? I apologize if someone else thinks differently. I'm just sharing my thoughts... --Mohinder613 (my talk page) 23:27, 2 March 2009 (EST)

Vietnam War/Coyote Sands

It's pretty clear in the episode 1961 that Linderman was high school age and could not have already served in Vietnam with Arthur. So that somewhat contradicts what he said about Arthur being only the second person he ever healed since he healed Angela's scar at Coyote Sands and of course his mother's cancer. Also the War Buddies GN series shows Linderman feeling alone and confused about his ability and was surprised when he discovered that Au Co was "like him", yet he seemed very comfortable with himself and his ability with his "special" friends at Coyote Sands. There's a bit of inconsistency with Linderman's backstory. Clay wise 15:35, 15 April 2009 (EDT)

  • You and I must have interpreted War Buddies differently. When Linderman said he "hadn't healed anyone else since" he healed his mother, I read that to mean healing them from death's door. Linderman's mother had cancer and was going to die. Dallas was shot in the chest and was going to die. Linderman brought them both back. I hardly think Angela's scar from her bicycle accident meant she was dying. I mean, I could be wrong, and there could be a huge mistake, but I guess I interpret Linderman's words a bit differently.

    When does War Buddies show Linderman feeling alone and confused about his ability? I think he's upset that he's being made to use it to interrogate an innocent man. And others have felt alone and confused by their abilities--namely Claire, Ted, and Matt--even though they knew they weren't alone. But I never got that Linderman was anything but confident in his abilities. He told Dallas to relax and assured him that he'd done this before.

    When he discovers that Au Co is an evolved human, he says, "Oh my God, she's--". I'm not sure how that contradicts anything in 1961, or how anything in 1961 contradicts him finding out that she has an ability. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:04, 15 April 2009 (EDT)

    • That's a good point. I hadn't thought of it that way. Before 1961, I had the preconcieved notion that he was afraid of his ability and only used it when he absolutely had to, yet he was somewhat flaunting it by healing Angela's scar. Also, there's nothing that says he didn't heal animals or plants as practice in between his mother and Dallas. 1961 didn't contradict anything except the way I interpreted War Buddies. Thanks for setting it straight for me. Clay wise 16:46, 16 April 2009 (EDT)

In Vietnam he doesn't know who nathan is, then how come he turns up at his door and isn't surpirsed to see angela there?

Linderman's age

It's pretty clear in the episode 1961 that Linderman was high school age and could not have already served in Vietnam with Arthur. From Clay wise. But I interpret from what Jason Badower has said and Linderman's appearance in the Primatech Files that Linderman appears to have been 18 in 1961. This means he would be born around 1943. Which means he died at the age of 63. Making him around 6 years younger than Kaito, which appears to be right. And 2 years older than Angela. What do you think? --Blood69 06:10, 31 March 2010 (EDT)

Total Inconsistencies

Ok, so the company's up and running by 1963. Linderman is in contact with all the other members, then angela gets married. Is linderman not at the wedding? Does he not know who arthur is? Then he goes off to the vietnam war and fights with arthur, but they don't know each other. Then, when he gets back, they introduce themselves to each other. Is it just me, or does anyone else think Linderman possibly left the company before angela and arthur were married, then came back after the war? --mc_hammark 11:03, 31 March 2010 (EDT)

  • What we know for certain about Linderman is the following.
    • In 1961, Linderman was at Coyote Sands just before the massacre.
    • In 1963, Linderman is with the other three when Kaito joins, when Chris Coolidge is killed, and when the Reed St. loft is purchased.
    • In 1967, Linderman meets Arthur (who is already married to Angela) in Vietnam.
    • In 1972, Linderman and Arthur meet up again.
    • In 1978, Linderman is NOT present when the TMI incident occurs.
  • --Ricard Desi 12:07, 31 March 2010 (EDT)
    • I noticed it too. A long time ago and I think the writters messed up somewhere. ~~IHH--Talk The Gulp-Ninja Series 19:54, 31 March 2010 (EDT)
    • He could have been starting the Linderman Group in the 1970s. As for the whole Arthur inconsistency, maybe he just got drafted into Vietnam (1959-1975) before Arthur married Angela (1964-65). --BOYCOOL -- THE END IS NIGH. 21:24, 31 March 2010 (EDT)
      • I don't see where the inconsistencies are. Arthur marries Angela around 1965. He goes to Vietnam and serves with Linderman in 1967, but knows him as "Austin". Arthur meets up with Linderman in 1972 and learns his real name. At some point in the 1970s, Arthur joins his wife's group which will eventually be called "The Company". The only "inconsistency" that I see is that Arthur fought in Vietnam alongside Linderman, his wife's colleague, but neither of them realized that they had a common acquaintance. But that's not really an inconsistency in the storytelling or timeline, that's just a very common occurrence. I worked with a woman for three years before realizing she was my wife's former coworker. I lived with a roommate for about a year before learning that the two of us used to play baseball together as kids. And it took my sister several months to learn that her yoga instructor was actually her husband's cousin. Am I missing something else? -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:23, 1 April 2010 (EDT)
        • I suppose the trick is that the only way Linderman wouldn't have known Arthur is if he wasn't at the Petrellis' wedding. Additionally, he wouldn't have known Arthur while she was dating Angela. Meaning I guess Linderman was drafted in later 1963 or early 1964, but Arthur didn't wind up there until later? Which is weird because Linderman seemed to be the "new guy", whereas he would have had anywhere from one to three years longer in the service than Arthur. --Ricard Desi 00:53, 2 April 2010 (EDT)
          • Or he could have just not been very involved in Angela's personal life. I don't know all my coworkers' significant others, and I haven't attended the weddings of all my friends. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 01:15, 2 April 2010 (EDT)