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List

The notes on Nathan's page say that Peter is not on the list. This is incorrect isn't it?--E rowe 16:50, 30 January 2007 (EST)

  • It is now. Peter's name has never been seen on the list, but Mohinder said he was on it last night.--Hardvice (talk) 16:54, 30 January 2007 (EST)

Claire coincidence?

I find it MIGHTY interesting that Nate's daughter (Claire Bennet) supposedly died in a fire 14 years before in Texas, and then Nate saves somebody's else's daughter from burning in the graphic novel in New York City. There are no coincidences in this show. You'd think Nate would have felt guilty about not being able to save Claire or something, and wanted to kind of atone for that. Or maybe he tried and failed to save her...or thought he had...

...Or maybe he caused the fire in an attempt to hide the fact that he had an illegitimate daughter. Or perhaps he doesn't know squat about the fire. Now I don't really think those ideas are true, but there's still a lot of speculation regarding a very interesting past incident about which we have yet to learn a lot... And he certainly has a long list of things about which he should be feeling guilty, imho. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 12:01, 8 February 2007 (EST)
I'd have to concur that it is a curious coincidence that the graphic novel revealed Nathan quietly using his flight ability to save people from a fire about the same time he saved Peter from falling, early in the first season. However, since we don't know if all of the graphic novels are being treated canonically by the television writing staff, we have no choice but to assume it was a coincidence. Surely Claire's mother didn't cause the fire in New York as she's been in Kermit the past two months. Thematically however, it is clear that we the audience are to envision Nathan repeatedly in the eye of a firestorm. -- ZachsMind 17:07, 11 February 2007 (EST)

Clarification

* Nathan's ability was given to him through genetic manipulation.

Where's the proof of that?? I seem to remember something that implied that from the trailer for next week's episode. If so, then surely the statement (a spoiler) should be removed from this page? --Conspiracy Unit 23:33, 7 October 2008 (EDT)

  • Angela Petrelli confirmed they experimented on Nathan to give him his ability in "Angels and Monsters".--Denali 14:43, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
  • So then could we say Nathan is an artificial evolved human?--Sylarversion2 21:42, 6 November 2008 (EST)

Somebody will Die

I really think Nathan will be the somebody to die. I think he'll be killed by Jessica. I also think that Peter will get Jessica's power, and he'll see Nathan in mirrors and be able to talk to him after death. --Xmuskrat 09:21, 14 February 2007 (EST)

  • See, I think it's actually "Someone flies, someone dyes", meaning Simone will "fly" when she takes up Isaac's drug habit, and will get so high she'll dye her hair purple. :) — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 09:29, 14 February 2007 (EST)
    • Hehe. Perhaps Syler Kills Nathan. Nathan Dies, and then immediately, Syler flies. --Xmuskrat 09:31, 14 February 2007 (EST)
    • That's just silly, Ryan. You know Simone isn't allowed to appear in an episode for more than 30 seconds!--Hardvice (talk) 12:59, 14 February 2007 (EST)
      • Yes, I know, but I read a spoiler that they're going to break tradition and have an entirely Simone-centric episode. Granted, most of it is just her brushing her hair and wearing black & white with red accents ... :) — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 13:34, 14 February 2007 (EST)
  • I heard a rumor that, now that Natalie has won every possible Grammy under the sun, Adrian's going to retire and be a kept man.--Hardvice (talk) 13:41, 14 February 2007 (EST)

Military

Could someone remind me why Nathan apears in the Military cat ? Thanks a lot. --FrenchFlo(talk)(contribs) 16:31, 21 March 2007 (EDT)

  • It was mentioned that he had served in the Military in one of his campaigns, see notes . -Lөvөl 16:38, 21 March 2007 (EDT)
    • His campaign video was also included as an Easter Egg on Trial By Fire. Watch it here. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 19:56, 21 March 2007 (EDT)
      • Ok, I'm pretty sure the video didn't say he fought in Bosnia, Serbia, and Rwanda. Heroe(talk) 20:24, 21 March 2007 (EDT)
        • You're right--it says "served his country" in those places. I'll fix it up now. — RyanGibsonStewart ([[User

talk:Ryangibsonstewart|talk]]) 20:28, 21 March 2007 (EDT)

couldn't it mean he served as a diplomat? since no US troops ever served in Rwanda JD 20:48, 24 March 2007 (EDT)

  • Well, this is a piece a fiction, remember? Heroe(talk) 20:49, 24 March 2007 (EDT)
Yes, but that a bit pedantic since theres been no other evidence that its not set in our reality and timeline, in which case maybe Britain fought in Vietnam which makes the war buddies theories about Linderman pausible, so unless you are saying its an alternative history piece of fiction, its either a goof, or its misintepretation of the Ad. JD 22:28, 24 March 2007 (EDT)
  • It says "soldier" on the screen. I think being in the army is a pretty fair assumption to make. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:06, 24 March 2007 (EDT)
    • It also says "Fighter" "Leader" and "Visionary" couldn't it be used in the sense of police officers being soldiers in the war on crime.JD 22:28, 24 March 2007 (EDT)
      • Yes, of course, he could be a soldier of love, too. :) However, I think the video makes it quite clear that Nathan was in the armed forces. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:48, 25 March 2007 (EDT)
        • I think he's a soldier in the sense of the Destiny's Child song ... cause he's so skreet, yo.--Hardvice (talk) 00:51, 25 March 2007 (EDT)
          • well Petrelli is an Italian name maybe they could do a cross over with the sopranos. but on a more serious note, given that only a small US force was deployed in Bosnia, that no US military forces were ever active in Rwanda, not after somalia, and that Serbia which happen a good 5 years after Bosnia only the USN and USAF took part, no ground forces, so he'd have to been a pilot, which i guess makes sense with his ability. Does the US humanitarian alternative to combat service count the same as military service? or police deployments with the UN? JD 10:50, 25 March 2007 (EDT)

District Attourney?

I don't recall where he is mentioned as the district attorney, but as a prosecutor for the district attorney. Correct me please.--Bob 22:30, 9 April 2007 (EDT)

  • He's not the district attorney, but he's probably a district attorney--most likely an assistant district attorney, which is the title of prosecutors under the DA in DANY.--Hardvice (talk) 22:35, 9 April 2007 (EDT)
    • On the other hand, his campaign ad (both the online version and the version aired in Genesis) does say "as district attorney"...--Hardvice (talk) 22:38, 9 April 2007 (EDT)
      • ...and we all know how truthful campaign ads can be--especially fake ones found in Easter Eggs on graphic novels. :) — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 12:40, 10 April 2007 (EDT)

I think this is funny (or on purpose-you decide) Adrian Pasdar appeared in Top Gun as a Navy pilot. Wouldn't you know, 20 years later, his character Nathan Petrelli turns up having been a Navy pilot. Hmm... -- User:Koshakrl

Soldier in US military = US Army

Soldier, in terms of the United States Armed Forces, refers to the US Army. The terminology for personnel in the four branches of the Department of Defense:

  • Army - Soldier
  • Navy - Sailor
  • Air Force - Airman
  • Marine Corps - Marine

If you called a Marine a soldier, they'd more than likely make you regret that mistake.--Bob 06:26, 4 May 2007 (EDT)

  • Don't make me start with the Jarhead jokes :P --Mish(Talk) 16:51, 15 November 2007 (EST)
    • I was an air force brat. It's amazing how deeply ingrained all of the inter-service prejudices are (Marines are brainwashed cannon fodder, sailors are cowards, soldiers weren't smart enough for the Air Force, air cops failed to qualify for anything else, etc.) It's all a bit silly, but those really are still my first impressions, and I have to fight them down. Youth indoctrination FTW.--Hardvice (talk) 17:01, 15 November 2007 (EST)
    • But, didn't Nathan's political campaign ad appear on screen? Yeah, in the pilot in Issac's apartment.[User:Nonredhead] 15 June 2008(EST)

Another possible superpower

It is possible that Nathan Petrelli has another superpower we don't know of. In "How to Stop an Exploding Man" Nathan flew in from some distance answering a question asked just moments before by Claire. This could be either super hearing or the ability to read his brother Peter's mind.

  • Or it could just be a dramatic entrance. --Heroe!(talk) (contribs) 22:52, 28 May 2007 (EDT)
    • The whole concept of a flying dude has always baffled me, so I kinda think his power is more something like 'aerokinesis', like he can control air and the voices were somehow carried on the wind? Eh, whatever, it was a cool moment.--Leshia 23:04, 28 May 2007 (EDT)
      • I think it was just there for the dramatic effect.--Ice Vision 23:42, 28 May 2007 (EDT)

Age

I'm not understanding why this was removed from this page. The letter Dallas received was not talking about Peter (who is only 26, which means he was born in 1979 or 1980, well after the Vietnam War). Sure, I suppose Mr. Petrelli could have had another son we don't know about and who has never been mentioned in the world of Heroes, but I think we need to assume that this letter was talking about Nathan. The note that was removed, granted, speculates on the age a child walks, and I agree that probably doesn't need to be there--but it is qualified by stating that Nathan's exact age is unknown. I don't think there's any harm in giving an age that is approximated, so long as the reasoning is stated and it says somewhere that the exact age is not known. The reasoning, however, that the comic is not an actual reflection of the TV series does not make sense to me. This wiki is not a reference for the television series, but for the world of Heroes, which includes the graphic novel. Now, I understand canon and all--if in Lizards Angela says, "Nathan, you should act your age! 35-year-old men should not be flying around New York!", then we have a case of episodic evidence trumping GN evidence. But the information from Dallas's letter is not even in the main article space or the infobox, it's in the notes, which seems fine to me. Am I missing something? Oh. Never mind. :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:53, 18 August 2007 (EDT)

  •  :-D --Bob 20:57, 18 August 2007 (EDT)

Survival

I really have to ask, how did Nathan survive the blast? Dean Harper 22:30, 2 October 2007 (EDT)

He survived by Adam's blood. Flootures

Congressman

"... and he lost his job and Congressman status."

  • Is there a concrete reference for this? I admit, he does not look congressional in Four Months Later and Lizards, but, having re-watched tonight, I do not recall an in-show statement about to him losing his job or his congressional seat. I assume he has, but plenty of congressmen drink too much and yell at their mothers. -- FissionChips 23:02, 3 October 2007 (EDT)
    • There's a message on votepetrelli.com about him resigning (from his Senate seat, oddly enough, but then the Heroes 360 stuff is frequently wrong), but I don't recall any mention of him resigning or giving up his job from a canon source.--Hardvice (talk) 23:05, 3 October 2007 (EDT)

Nathan was used by the villain

Personally, I think Nathan "killed" Kaito by being the one who pushed him over. The line of someone doing it and flying away is too much of a red flag. The thing is, I think the villain had control of Nathan's mind, where the villain's power is some sort of mental manipulation, where he can enter people's minds and subvert their will, kind of like Eden's from Season One. I think he was controlling Nathan, possessing him if you will, when he killed Kaito. That would explain why Angela was clawing at herself, and showing she was completely alone in the room.

Interestiung note from one of the Behind the Eclipses

Oh, and also - if West and Nathan had a race around the world, who would win?"

Nathan. He has the age and experience to fly rings around this newbie, literally.

West said that he was caught by "a man with horn-rimmed glasses" a few years earlier. You'd think he have used his powers more often since then.

Nathan first exhibited his flying powers 6 months (well, now 10 months) ago. If he had had the knowledge of the power any earlier, I doubt he would have been so shocked.... AND be further shocked by the events of Peter's jump from the building.

One would think West would have more experience, eh?--Riddler 14:05, 27 October 2007 (EDT)

  • That is interesting, yeah plus Nathan basically rejected his power. On the other hand West hasn't broke the speed of sound or anything. This could be taken to mean that he is not yet that experienced or his power hasn't manifested that far yet, similiar to Matt's, or it could mean that West chooses not to break the sound barrier because he has more control than Nathan. I gotta say West's landings look smoother, not as smooth as his moves on Claire though, not. --SomeoneImportant 15:39, 27 October 2007 (EDT)

Nathan's Regeneration

I put an extra snipet in the powers section, about his regeneration; and whether or not he would retain this ability, now that he has Adam's blood within himself is yet unknown. Do you guys think that is sufficiently worded for now, until we find out later if he has any lasting effects? --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 11/13/2007 10:23 (EST)

No, I doubt it. If Munroe's blood is anything like Wolverine's, then no. In Wolverine's case, his blood is what carries his healing power. Therefore, injecting someone with Adam's blood would have temporary accelerated healing, but eventually, the special blood cells will die, and like all red blood cells, they need to be constantly replenished. Therefore, Nathan may have advanced healing for a short time, but Adam's blood wouldn't alter his genetics.--Flyingman_petrelli (talk)

  • I agree. I doubt that the writers would give Nathan another power.--Ice Vision 21:50, 14 November 2007 (EST)

Didn't he punch a mirror in one the episodes this season and was bleeding?--Matt 2108 06:54, 15 November 2007 (EST)

  • Yeah, you could see his bandaged hand when he picked up the Bob's death threat.--Ice Vision 15:17, 15 November 2007 (EST)

Speech from Powerless

Someone needs to put Nate's speach in his Quote section!Nick Petrelli 23:44, 3 December 2007 (EST)

  • Done. :) HamsterClo 14:22, 4 December 2007 (EST)

Good afternoon. Most of you have no idea who I am. My name is Nathan Petrelli, and I was elected to congress in the State of New York- seems like a long time ago. I lost my position. I lost my brother. I lost my family. I'm sad to say that I lost my way.

But while I was gone, I had the chance to see the world through newly humbled eyes, witnessed amazing things. I've seen ordinary people among us, trying their best each day to be heroes. These ordinary people, like you, like me, are capable of extraordinary things. You have no idea... how extraordinary.

But there are other people, organizations, who don't want you to know the truth. I, myself, kept secrets. But last year... Something incredible happened to me, and it changed my life. At first, I was afraid. But I'm- I'm not afraid anymore. I'm here to tell you the truth: I have the abil *POW POW*

Chrisyudbsname.JPGChrisyudbstalk.JPG 05:37, 5 December 2007 (EST)

Nathan's Death is unCanon Speculation

Look guys, saying Nathan is dead, is just unCanon speculation. Following being shot, there were no follow-up scenes that confirmed he was actually dead, and not just severely wounded. This should be handled no differently than the finale of season 1 when both D.L. and Parkman were shot. We didn't go off and start assuming they were dead then, because the episode didn't confirm it. Powerless didn't confirm Nathan was dead yet either. The '2-count' of who will die, could just as easily be referring to Maya and Niki; albeit Maya didn't stay dead. Niki's death was pretty unquestionable, because of her lack of powers and no powered people to help her, and the explosion. However, Nathan was shot in the chest, and could very possibly only be critically wounded. To assume otherwise, is to handle his gunshot in the finale differently and more speculatively than Parkman and DL were handled in last season's finale. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 12/4/2007 08:21 (EST)

  • Also, the trailer says that two Heroes will fall, which doesn't unnecessarily mean death. There is also precedent for NBC lying in their trailers by saying "You will get to find out what is in the box" and then have Peter decide he doesn't want to see what's in the box. --rhudgins32 14:32, 4 December 2007 (EST)
  • Exactly, plus this episode was intended as a cliffhanger, death is not a cliffhanger, possible death is. --SomeoneImportant 14:28, 4 December 2007 (EST)
  • I'd have to rewatch the bit with Angela to see what's said on the TV, but you're correct: neither Niki's nor Nathan's death is confirmed. People are jumping the ... ah ... jumping the gun.--Hardvice (talk) 14:38, 4 December 2007 (EST)
  • It seems to me that we're just unwilling to let Nathan and/or Niki go.--Ice Vision 21:38, 4 December 2007 (EST)
    • ...well, Nathan at least. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:12, 4 December 2007 (EST)
      • Yeah, even I'm reluctant to admit he's dead...--Ice Vision 22:31, 4 December 2007 (EST)
        • Ooooo the trouble with killing characters, it will never please people. If look at the comments for Beeman's blog for this week, it is mostly very negative stuff. Granted Nathan was a popular character (heck I liked him), there are many paths that could unfold on this. (Latest rumors indicate that writers are 50/50 for him). If he doesn't die, good; if he however survives with help from some super-blood, not so-good. The blood was a poor thing to implement in the first place, it leads to "O he can't be dead, they can just revive him!" sort of talk. Is death that cheap? If he does die, well then im sure a lot of people will not be happy, (inc me), but it opens up storylines for Peter which could then open up storylines for people associated with him (Matt, Elle etc.) . Still people will always be complaining about something and you will never please everybody. --  Seclusion  talk / contribs 08:43, 5 December 2007 (EST)
          • If Nathan does die and his death actually serves a purpose in the story then I will accept it (though Nathan is my favorite character). I just think we've lost a lot of characters on the show and their deaths haven't meant a lot. I just don't want to lose a strong character just to have a big finale type moment. Make Nathan's survival or death count for something and I will be ok with that. --Jebriggs98 10:08, 5 December 2007 (EST)
            • Pff, blame the Writers Guild of America for his death. I don't think Kring originally intended from him to die. And I feel compelled to argue that he is alive because I was starting to love his character, his savvy sarcasm and clean-shaven pride.--Dragon1604 11:46, 5 December 2007 (EST)
      • Back to the issue at hand -- when is someone dead for purposes of this Wiki? In the past, we've waited until their death has been "confirmed" in the show (D.L. after season one, Simone after Unexpected). Neither Niki's nor Nathan's death is confirmed in that way, so neither should be marked as deceased. Are both of them probably dead? You bethca. Is either of their deaths confirmed? Nope.--Hardvice (talk) 14:05, 5 December 2007 (EST)

He could get injected with blood again. No problem. Flootures

Nathan Flying vs West Flying

  • Has anybody else noticed how, while Nathan always seems to fly at supersonic speeds, West has NEVER been shown flying particularly fast... This leads me to believe that West has Levitation, rather than self-proppelled flight... Opinions??? Rikku4president
    • West definitely flies. But Aron Coleite and Joe Pokaski touched on this in a Q&A session: When asked who would win in a race around the world, they said Nathan "has the age and experience to fly rings around this newbie—literally." -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:16, 23 February 2008 (EST)
  • Levitation already exists in another form. --Hero!(talk)(contribs) 19:16, 23 February 2008 (EST)
    • Its been stated that west's ability is more of a "peter pan" style flight, rather than nathans super sonic style --(. .') 15:34, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

Relation to Sylar

I removed the mention that Sylar is Nathan's younger brother as this fact is still debatable.

  • Should he be called "Sylar" or "Gabriel" in the boxes? Virginia Gray's box says "Gabriel", presumably because it's his "birth" name, as does Claire's. However, both Nathan and Peter's say "Sylar" --Matchu 21:39, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
    • Presumably, because he's more well known, it should be 'Sylar', with references to his real name where needed.
      • I'd say "Claire" is a well known character too. --Matchu 11:48, 12 October 2008 (EDT)

Any theories to how Nathan healed from the gunshot wound?

Well, I now know it was never Linderman. So how did Nathan heal? Do you think Future Peter has that ability? I'm totally stuck on possibilities... DismantleRepair 04:39, 15 October 2008 (EDT)

  • Peter said that when they examined Nathan, the doctors said it was almost as though the injuries had already healed themselves. I believe that when Adam gave Nathan some of his blood (Four Months Ago...), the healing blood remained withing Nathan. I'm not positive of this, but that's my best guess. :) The ramifications of this are pretty silly, though--that would basically mean that Nathan can heal from any injuries. But hey, it wouldn't be the first time he was artificially given an ability! -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 04:52, 15 October 2008 (EDT)
  • I'm pretty sure he was healed. From what we've seen in Villains, Peter was in very close proximity to Linderman, so he could have absorbed the ability from him. If not, he probably absorbed it sometime in the gap between the present-day and the exposed future. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 09:45, 10 December 2008 (EST)
    • I agree with that: I think Peter may have even done it by accident too: he was gonna lose his brother (even though he was the one responsible for it) and it caused him to activate his copy of Linderman's power. He may not even have realized what he did, but I wish they'd make it clear in an interview if nothing else.--WarGrowlmon18 17:20, 10 December 2008 (EST)

Birth&Age

Where did those come from? Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 19:48, 21 December 2008 (EST)

  • Dunno. Maybe the day that Arthur read the letter from Angela about Nathan's first steps? That was November 8, 1968. That would have made Nathan 6 days old when Arthur read the letter, and would have made him 37 in the current timeline. Doesn't make sense. See User talk:MatiasLilloV#Nathan's age. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:13, 21 December 2008 (EST)
    • I think Nathan is at least 40, in Orientation Angela says something to him about having a new look on life when you were 40 and something about him reaching that stage. To me this says that he is (or would have been) 40. Anyone else? --mc_hammark 13:14, 22 September 2009 (EDT)
      • The War Buddies comics also make it very clear that Nathan took his first baby steps while Arthur was in Vietnam. In fact, the 1967 date comes from there. He was without a doubt born in 1967. That's also where the toy airplane being Nathan's favorite toy as a child came from as well.NileQT87 23:52, 5 October 2009 (EDT)