Talk:Precognition

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Source/Explanation
Eden refers to Isaac as "the precog" in Better Halves.

Is anybody else noticing that Isaac's painting seem so much more...detailed since he's cleaned himself up? I mean, even the vague paintings are just so much more intricate. Man, that talented artist! — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:07, 6 February 2007 (EST)

possible rename

should we rename this "Artistic Precognition"...im sure precog can come in different forms (i.e. Angela Petrelli's interpretive precognition)--Anthony Gooch 17:41, 23 September 2008 (EDT)

  • Good that you brought that up, I just made a disambig page. As for the rename, I agree with you, however not strongly enough to think it should be done. Other folks may say different though. --SacValleyDweller (talk) 19:41, 23 September 2008 (EDT)
  • I don't think so. I actually think "Precognitive dreaming" should be merged with this article, giving each a sub-heading instead of a full page. --Ted C 14:05, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
    • or, yeah, that would be better...to have one Precog page with an "artisic" subheading w/isaac, the new african guy, peter and sylar and a "dreaming" subheading with momma petrelli and peter...or something to that extent lol--Anthony Gooch 00:14, 26 September 2008 (EDT)
      • I hadn't though of "Artistic", but I like it alot, because of the fact that it's not always painting, but sometimes sketches. Kudos, Gooch.--Riddler 13:31, 28 September 2008 (EDT)
  • I dont think it should be called Artistic Precognition because artists seem to have the ability and if you could see the future wouldnt you draw it? You wouldnt want to forget it, so i believe that "painting the future" is just a way to remember it.PS I believe the only reason Peter and Arthur draw the future is because thats how they saw how other people do it.--Sylarversion2 16:56, 26 November 2008 (EST)
  • Personally, I think it should be renamed "Precognitive painting". Biohazard 01:15, 30 November 2008 (GMT)
  • I would have to disagree with you there because if you are stranded in the middle of the ocean and then you have a vision there is no way you could paint it. Also i would like to say that Isaac's profession was a painter, i'm guessing it was even before he figured out he could paint the future. I dont really know Usutu's deal but maybe he was a painter. I also have a theory for Arthur and Peter. They only paint the future because thats how they saw it done. So I think we should keep it precognition. --Sylarversion2 22:49, 5 December 2008 (EST)

possble Limits correction

"It is unknown if painting is the only way to manifest this power, as Sylar was seen receiving quick flashes of the future after being stabbed at Kirby Plaza."


Which images were of the future? I thought they were all of the past (mostly of his prior victims). See Images from How to Stop an Exploding Man.


Stevehim 11:05, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

  • These: Heroes finale5.gif Chrisyu357 11:26, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

I understand you meant the images in his eyes (and that's what I was referring to as well), but I was under the impression that they were all of the past, and the page on here I linked seems to support that, unless there's an image of the future tossed in there I missed.


Stevehim 18:56, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

  • About the closest one is Image:Eyes sylar.JPG, in which he sees his own "death"...but that's more of seeing the present than the past or future. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:41, 28 September 2008 (EDT)
    • We see Sylar's eyes twice in How to Stop an Exploding Man. The first time is at Sylar's loft, and he sees what's going to happen at Kirby Plaza. The second is when he is stabbed, and sees all his victims. I think all the images at Examples of precognition#Sylar's Eyes up until Brian Davis's death are of the future. Josh 20:54, 28 September 2008 (EDT)
    • I always assumed he was just having his life flash through his eyes the second time.

Notes on this edit

This revision didn't have a summary, so I couldn't follow why so many changes were made...and there were so many major changes made that I couldn't follow all of them, so I reverted it. Consider this my edit summary for reverting. Among some of the changes I took issue with:

  1. Usutu has this power. See Usutu's paintings and the assignment tracker map. To not mention him at all on the page is ludicrous.
  2. It's also become standard for us to put the Confirmed and Unconfirmed sections at the top, not in the Notes.
  3. Isaac is dead, so it's okay to put information about him in the past tense in this case on this page.
  4. The whole deal with the painting of Hiro and Kensei fighting is a gray area--it happened in the chronological past, but in the character's future. Tough call, and a weak argument for Isaac painting the past. A much better (but still weak) argument would be when he painted Hiro and Charlie (and Ando) in the Burnt Toast Diner while he was residing a few miles away at Primatech Paper (though this is probably more of an example of Isaac painting the present, or the very very near future).
  5. Sylar and Peter have this power, and we normally put sections for each character who has the power, if necessary.
  6. I have no idea why the theories section and See Also section were removed.
  7. This article is translated into other languages--why were those links removed?

-- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 14:04, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

Matt? WTF!

I didn't see what Matt had eaten, but I take it he used the paste that Usutu gave him, along with some music, and Matt's eyes glowed. He hasn't shown that he can see/paint the future, but I think it might be worth noting.--Bob (talk) 23:30, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

  • im guessing (and can only hope on this one) that Usutu wasn't shown in the sceen for a reason and im guessing that somehow, he induced Matts precog vision...b/c giving Matt this ability is only gonna confuse some viewers...but like i was saying, Usutu said he's had this powers for years, do you guys think its possible that he has learned how to share them with other people, again, we didnt see his eyes so we don't know if it was a shared moment or what...so?--Anthony Gooch 23:42, 29 September 2008 (EDT)
    • The white eyes don't necessarily mean precognition. When Peter had white eyes here, it meant he was "dead", not seeing the future. The white eyes could be some brain related thing. --Ice Vision (talk) 00:01, 30 September 2008 (EDT)
      • I didn't say they did. But the "dead eyes" aren't glazed over completely, you can still see the iris. The precognition effect completely glazes over the eye, which is what happened to Matt.--Bob (talk) 00:06, 30 September 2008 (EDT)
      • We'll probably find out more in the following episode, however based on the scene what he gave him appears to have induced a state in which he's going to have a premonition. Claire's blood can heal other people, so who knows... maybe what Usutu gave Matt contained his own blood. We'll find out! (Admin 00:09, 30 September 2008 (EDT))
      • I think this is a one-off. My reading of the scene is that Usutu has the ability of precognition innately, but he has also learned to duplicate it in others using a specific combination of drugs and music (a sort of poor man's version of Mohinder's ability-induction serum). We'll wait and see. DismantleRepair 07:54, 2 October 2008 (EDT)
      • You can still see the irises of the precogs when they're using their abilities, though the pupils are less visible (if at all) than in the 'dead white eyes.' I do think it's way to early to assume Matt has this ability though. Stevehim 23:15, 3 October 2008 (EDT)

Fugitives precog

Are we sure we want to list him so fast? Shouldn't we list him at notes like we did when he and Hiro at Usutu's paste? Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 11:46, 3 February 2009 (EST)

Another precog?

Should we list an unknown precog, since the painting of the world splitting in half is also seen in NY, and Usutu implies he's never been to the US? Or is it to early to assume another one, since it could have been Peter, Sylar, or possibly an old one of Issac's? Stevehim 23:35, 3 October 2008 (EDT)

  • Too early to assume. --SacValleyDweller (talk) 23:38, 3 October 2008 (EDT)
    • Yeah, the painting could have been replicated through many other means, most of which do not require an ability to be used.--MiamiVolts (talk) 23:47, 3 October 2008 (EDT)
      • Right. And even if it was another unknown person with the ability of precognition who painted the NY version, we don't know anything about him or her, so why put them on here? -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:27, 4 October 2008 (EDT)

Any Suggestions?

  • The definition of the ability isn't really accurate, since it also allows the user to paint/draw the past and present as well. I can't really think of a good way to word that at the moment, but it shouldn't be in the Limits section, as it's actually the opposite of a limit to the power. Any ideas on how to reword the definition? Stevehim 19:43, 10 October 2008 (EDT)
  • How about Precognitive painting?--Orhan94 17:06, 26 November 2008 (EST)

Question about Note

In the Notes section, it says:
"In Distractions, Peter's eyes glazed over like Isaac's do when he entered a prophetic trance, and Peter again had visions of himself exploding. This was later confirmed to actually be a prophetic dream, an ability he had absorbed from Angela Petrelli. Why his eyes glazed over remains unknown."
When was this confirmed? I looked on Peter's dream page, but the only thing I saw didn't apply to the instance in Distractions when Claude knocks him out, but rather to him falling down and ending up in a coma. Was there some other evidence that it was a manifestation of precognitive dreaming? --Stevehim 07:01, 31 October 2008 (EDT)
  • I was planning on changing Peter's section to read like Sylar's in the sense of 'it is unknown if painting/drawing is the only way he can manifest it in other ways,' based on the above (ie - not finding evidence that the scene in Distractions when Claude knocks Peter out is not Precognition). Any objections? --Stevehim 17:48, 16 November 2008 (EST)

Umbrella term

Seeing as how it looks that Hiro will be seeing the past in the same way Issac and Usutu see the future, would it be worth calling the power Omnicognition or something of the sort, and seeing the future is just one way of using the power? I know it's too early to tell yet, but wanted to get it out there to ponder over. Dracomaster4 01:01, 1 November 2008 (EDT)

  • We're getting into problems where canon names are being outdated at an alarming rate. Precognition no longer accurately discribes this ability - and could be considered contrary to the concept of an encyclopedia - yet we're bound by our naming conventions to stick with it. There's a lot of abilities I'd like to see renamed, but there's no easy way to justify it. --Yamawhata? 18:26, 12 November 2008 (EST)
  • I think that technically what he's doing would be termed a form of Clairvoyance but there's already a clairvoyance article here with a much narrower description

NichS 18:47, 9th of December 2008 (GMT)

Matt and Hiro's precog...

..may instead be something else entirely. I'm thinking a page like this may be more appropriate for what happened to Matt and Hiro. Thoughts? --SacValleyDweller (talk) 17:32, 1 November 2008 (EDT)

Precog's see certain people

Did you ever realize that "precog's" tend to paint certain people more than the others, like Isaac painted Hiro and Peter and Usutu painted Matt and Hiro? -- Sylarversion2 21:59, 26 November 2008

I think that this likely just has to do witht the fact that Hiro and Matt were, in particular, important at that time. (Hiro's always important). Pyrotics 08:01, 3 December 2008 (EST)

Isaac has some crazy Precog abilities...

Should it be mentioned that, at least in reference to the 9th Wonders, Isaac has some reallly accurate depictions of the extensive future, bypassing even what others might have changed based on his own paintings? Because Eclipse Part 2 showed that all of Isaac's issues of the comic are incredibly accurate, even when one takes into account that what the comics depict have caused certain characters to change the future every once in a while. This is likely just a plot device used without too much thought on the producers end, but it's interesting nonetheless. Pyrotics 08:01, 3 December 2008 (EST)

Paint/Draw more than one future?

To make this as simple as possible... it seems like Issac has painted a couple of different futures at the same time. For example he painted the "explosion future" on his floor. Then out of nowhere in season two we learn that he painted a series of 8 that goes along with the new future. What's really strange is that we're not sure when he painted the series of 8. At the same time it might not even matter if he painted the So8 before or after he painted the explosion. Because Sylar painted himself (being Nathan) as president after he had kill Issac. So that would mean that Issac painted one possible future if the explosion didn't happen and Sylar painted another if it did occur. Do we just add this to the notes, or do we add this to a list of plot holes? That's if anyone follows me on this *sign* --OutbackZack 01:24, 11 December 2008 (EST)OutbackZack


The explosion in the city never happened since Nathan changed things. Perhaps knowledge of the future will change it.

What I am very confused about, is how Isaac managed to see Claire and Hiro going to the past when Hiro got the catalyst, even though things changed a lot! Isaac did see several futures however, since all his work (supposedly) is now outdated and nothing new (probably) will come out, I don't think we will hear more about Isaac but I will like to see a scene with Usuntu coming to Isaac and giving him Precognition with his paste and telling Issac he can substitute it with heroine, would be a delicious detail. --Discipol

  • really . . . I think that's actually not a very good idea and would be cheesy.

Precognitive PAINTING

why are we not calling this Precognitive painting? Why just Precognition? In that case we should add Angela to this page, because she foresees the future too... -- Meteoritu 21:10, March 30th 2009

  • The argument is that it's been called precognition, but Eden just said "The Precog." Since the pages for this and dreaming must be separate, I don't believe it's fair to give this one the sole title over the other. --Riddler 16:41, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
    • Here Sylar sees something and doesn't paint it. Mateussf 19:41, 21 May 2009 (EDT)

Main Image Change

i think we should change the main image to http://heroeswiki.com/Image:IsaacPaintingProphecy.jpg because it shows him painting his vision. --Scorvi12 00:28, 6 April 2009 (EDT)

  • That's the main image for the prophecy, and I'd prefer to keep them separate. I don't see anything wrong with the image we have now, but if we are going to make a change, I think it really needs to still show the white eyes. If we make a change, I wouldn't mind going back to the original image we used to have for so long before it was changed (which I was never quite clear on why it was changed in the first place). -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:54, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
    • Okay. --Scorvi12 01:15, 6 April 2009 (EDT)

Limits???

What is the limit for precognition because both Usutu and Isaac had to paint the future to see it, but in one episode, Sylar seen the future and then snapped out of the trance, knowing what was going to happen. Would this still count as the limits of Precognition as Sylar was obviously using his Intuitive aptitude to do so, but would Isaac and Utsutu be able to do this as well, if they learned to develop their power. --Mc hammark 09:26, 9 May 2009 (EDT)

Can we PLEASE get rid of this power next season?

Really, it was cool back in season one when we weren't dealing with alternate timelines and the like, but now... I don't know, it seems like it's become a tired and overused plot device to show characters what they have to do without explaining any real motivation for doing so. --Gibbeynator 15:42, 16 May 2009 (EDT)