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No villian

So, Sylar isn't a villian anymore... I think this is the biggest mistake the writers ever made.-- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 06:49, 2 February 2010 (EST)

  • I love it! Sylar all the way -- (WaterRatj) 14:42, 2 February 2010 (EST)
    • A mistake? No. This was a rare moment of true creativity from the writers, finding what was basically the only way Sylar could repent of his crimes without it seeming forced or hurried. Assuming it really does stick (and I mean stick for at least an entire Volume, not like in Volume 3 where he abandons it halfway through for no real reason), it's actually the most refreshing thing they could have done with the character...had he kept killing for powers it would be Volume 1 (and by extension Volume 3)'s plot all over again, and had they depowered him it would be Volume 2's plot again. But now having decided on his own that he wishes to be a hero, they can do whatever they like with him in Volume 6. We've had a huge amount of time where Sylar's been evil. I welcome the change of outlook. Swm 17:04, 2 February 2010 (EST)
  • I agree with Swm(ystery). I think it wasn't a mistake, but a good move by the writers. There are at least two things for which it was a good move and I hope it sticks this time.
    1)Sylar himself. I believe he *was* indeed a victim of his surroundings and others made him what he was. First, albeit in a non-explicit way, Mr Bennet set him on the way of the Hunger to observe how he goes on, how his ability works, etc. Then, when he tried to change (and he REALLY tried), he found out the whole scheme for which he was trying to change was a big, fat lie. This, of course, pushed him back to whom he was earlier. Now, he wanted to chage by himself, (not because he thought Angela was his mom,) and I hope he really got the redemption he was striving for.
    2)This far, with the exception of Volume 3, Sylar was an "implied villain". It will be interesting to see what new villain the writers can come up with who is as versatile.--DrIstvaan 14:12, 10 February 2010 (EST)
  • Good Sylar sucks. Have the writers lost all creativity???????--Boycool42 14:06, 20 February 2010 (EST)
    • How does he suck? We've never had good Sylar before. --mc_hammark 14:07, 20 February 2010 (EST)
      • That's not true. He tried to be good in Volume 3 & 4.--Boycool42 18:03, 20 February 2010 (EST)
        • A bad guy trying to be good isn't the same as a good person. That's the difference between what Sylar was and Peter. --mc_hammark 18:13, 20 February 2010 (EST)
          • I find it extremely hard to believe that Sylar, who has enjoyed killing for years, would be good after a few years with Peter.--Boycool42 19:02, 20 February 2010 (EST)
            • He spent just as much time with Peter in nightmare land then he did killing others. Also, he's essentially omnipotent. He doesn't need more abilities, which may be part of why it's so easy for him to stop killing.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 19:04, 20 February 2010 (EST)
              • He himself hasn't enjoyed it. That's been shown multiple times, most noticeably when he is in "limbo". It's the hunger that drives him to it, his feeding the hunger is what feels good. And after a few years without that hunger, learning that he can lead a normal life without abilities and having to kill people could have changed him. Peter being there would also have helped him, as it would also show he wouldn't need to kill someone. --mc_hammark 19:06, 20 February 2010 (EST)
    • It'd be a loss of creativity if they kept him completely static. While I'm not sure if "Saint Sylar" was the way to go, he did need a change of some sort.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 14:22, 20 February 2010 (EST)
      • The right way to go: Bad Sylar kills off a main character, making him virtually indestructible. Everyone bands together to fight him. Peter replicates his disintegration and kills him. The heroes walk off toward another eclipse. The End of Heroes.--Boycool42 18:03, 20 February 2010 (EST)

To me, if Sylar is going back to be a Villian, the writers has to come up with a way were he doesn't keep using Telekinetically control his victim but a new way of being bad. Doyle and Samuel could be the villians, Samuel may know about Ando ability; and I think Doyle is the only one who is loyal to Samuel, you could have a plot where Doyle holds Ando as a hostage, get him to supercharge Samuel ability and the prison crumbling putting anyone with abilities in jepodary from the public, although the plot is similar to the season of that of fugitives.--50000JH 15:41, 10 May 2010 (EDT)

TK

So then. I wonder if Sylar still has IA, or if it's been buried, leaving him with only TK left? The preview for the finale shows him using TK, so he's not powerless. Also, I'm curious if he'll go back to being Gabriel again. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 13:52, 2 February 2010 (EST)

  • If he's still got the rest of his powers, he still has his IA. He just seems to have gotten better at controlling the hunger in recent times, I think. Granted, that could be a fun plotline if/when we get Volume 6, when his desire to cut open heads struggles against his desire to be good, like in the exposed future. Swm 17:20, 2 February 2010 (EST)
    • I had a theory a little while back that Sylar was somehow able to (through his guilt, empathy, what have you) sort of "naturalize" telekinesis. Even after the Shanti Virus wiped his abilities clean, he still had TK. And immediately after being let out of what amounts to 12 years of incarceration in his own head, he uses TK and nothing else. It's possible that IA could have been permanently buried, while TK was able to be naturalized and remains his only ability. We'll see more next week, I imagine. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 17:50, 2 February 2010 (EST)
      • Hmmm, although his abilities were meant to be blocked in that world, he was using IA to fix those watches, wasn't he? --mc_hammark 17:52, 2 February 2010 (EST)
        • He looked like he was struggling though, like he was trying to but couldn't. He didn't have access to his powers in there. An interesting theory Desi. I recall Noah saying way, way back in Season 1 that despite all of Sylar's powers, only telekinesis DNA is still in his system. Assuming this still holds true, it would be an excellent way of toning him down. No doubt we will find out soon enough whether it's true, as Sylar just needs to use one of his other powers. Swm 18:13, 2 February 2010 (EST)
          • Didn't they say that they only found telekinesis DNA in him, and that they were still searching?--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 20:38, 11 February 2010 (EST)

Gabriel

I definitely get the feeling Sylar's going to go back to being referred to as "Gabriel". Not only does he seem to revert to his sort of dorky ways (how he tells Peter that the hunger was gone was particularly awkward), but "Sylar" has always been his alias for his darker self. Without his powers in Generations he even called himself Gabriel. Guess we'll have to wait and see. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 01:06, 9 February 2010 (EST)

  • It's very likely. Possibly even a running gag.--Boycool42 14:09, 27 February 2010 (EST)

Samson hunger came back and he kept it under control for years, when Sylar regenerate it quickly came back. So I won't say it is gone. --50000JH 21:05, 28 March 2010 (EDT)

Image

isn't this a far better picture to use? I think this picture isn't really showing Sylar's character. He looks a little bit weird.-- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 15:49, 11 February 2010 (EST)

  • He looks a little too.... attitude-ish in that image. Given that he's currently a good guy, I'm not sure if that's the best fit.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 16:34, 11 February 2010 (EST)
    • I love it.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 16:38, 11 February 2010 (EST)
      • PJDEP, 1)We only seen him twice as a good guy, the hunger could return 2)I think in the current picture that he looks weird, just not Sylar/Gabriel.-- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 16:40, 11 February 2010 (EST)
        • I like it as an image, but not for the page. We try to avoid put on looks like that, and try to have as natural a pose as possible. --mc_hammark 16:42, 11 February 2010 (EST)
        • I personally don't like it. In addition to the points I mentioned above, it doesn't show as much of his face as the current image does.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 16:43, 11 February 2010 (EST)
          • Actually you're wrong, on the picture you see more of the left side of his face, and on the current image is more shadow around the nose.-- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 16:51, 11 February 2010 (EST)
            • Put the current image and the image I want next to each other and take a good look.-- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 16:52, 11 February 2010 (EST)
              • I still prefer the one we have. --mc_hammark 16:55, 11 February 2010 (EST)
                • Just asked RGS, he's fine with both.-- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 17:03, 11 February 2010 (EST)
                  • Mabye it's strange to make an poll about an image but should we?-- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 17:05, 11 February 2010 (EST)
                    • Well, there's no reason to change it, so it would be pointless and anything negative about one could be said about the other. --mc_hammark 17:07, 11 February 2010 (EST)

Sylar comparison.jpg Here ya go Yoshi.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 17:10, 11 February 2010 (EST)

  • Thanks, well there is a reason mc hammark because other users (Catalyst and me) prefer this image more than the other one.-- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 17:11, 11 February 2010 (EST)
    • No, i mean that there's nothing wrong with the picture now, you're just wanting to change it for personal preference. I'd rather not have a poll (just in the offchance it ends up like the freezing or enhanced synesthesia talk pages) but if you want to, go ahead. --mc_hammark 17:14, 11 February 2010 (EST)
      • I prefer a small poll with just 2 days of waiting and we decide, agree or disagree?-- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 17:15, 11 February 2010 (EST)
        • Yeah. Lets go. --mc_hammark 17:18, 11 February 2010 (EST)
          • Either one is good for me, I just think that Sylar looks slightly more menacing in the second one. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 19:19, 11 February 2010 (EST)
            • Yes, Sylar looks not as evil in the first, but no matter how Sylar acts, there will always be evil in him. The second shows his "evil sense of good" if that makes sense.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 19:55, 11 February 2010 (EST)
              • It also obscures part of his face. That's the trade-off.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 19:57, 11 February 2010 (EST)
                • You make it sound like we can't see any of his face. You can clearly see his face, with a menacing half smile, that represents everything Sylar is. Like Samuel's picture, he has that pose like he's all friendly saying "come be apart of my family", but you know it's an evil smile, like what Sylar has in that second photo.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 20:27, 11 February 2010 (EST)
                  • I'm sorry if that's how it sounded, what I meant was, due to the tilt of his head the left half of his face is harder to distinguish. Also, on a more personal note, I feel as if that picture is not representative of Sylar because of his flop-flopping between good, evil and all that is in between. The current picture is ambiguous, it doesn't favor either designation.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 20:36, 11 February 2010 (EST)
                    • So if we can't see one side of his face its not good? The left side of his face is still hard to see on the first image. But this image does show Sylar's personality because it does show his evil/good side. He was good that he saved Emma by kind of stopping Doyle, but then hung Doyle and said in a slightly evil way, he likes it. This picture shows an expression on Sylar's face as if you don't know what he is about to do. Is he good, is he evil? That question is Sylar, and that's what the picture shows.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 21:12, 11 February 2010 (EST)
                      • Like I said, just a personal opinion. You're obviously entitled to yours as well. Personally, when Sylar hung Doyle and said that he liked it, I think he was attempting to be humorous. Far from evil. The first image is far more ambiguous then the second, in my opinion.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 21:21, 11 February 2010 (EST)

Poll

this poll is closed.

Keep the current image

  1. --mc_hammark 17:26, 11 February 2010 (EST)
  2. --PJDEP - Need further explanation? 17:37, 11 February 2010 (EST)
  3. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 17:40, 11 February 2010 (EST) Particularly with his shift back to the good side.
  4. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) Either is fine with me, but if I had to choose, I would say the original is better. It's less stereotypically "evil".

Replace the current image for this image

  1. -- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 17:22, 11 February 2010 (EST)
  2. --Catalyst · Talk · HL 17:38, 11 February 2010 (EST)
  3. --Vampirate68 | Talk | Contribs | 19:18, 11 February 2010 (EST)
  4. --TanderixUTCR 14:17, February 12 2010 (Italy)
  5. --Trizzy 10:54, 12 February 2010 (EST)Big fan of the new image!
  6. --Theocracy 22:24, 12 February 2010 (EST)

A problem I have

Something that has annoyed me for a while is that we list Sylar as taking powers he never demonstrated. We don't do this for Peter or Arthur so why should it be with Sylar. Particularly, two that stand out are Imprinting and Disintegration. For Joe Macon he said he was 'picking his brain', which I interpreted as he was using his ability to find out information. He has no need for imprinting, has never demonstrated it, mentioned it or even acknowledged killing inbetween Dual and Clear and Present Danger. Same with Disintegration, there was no sign of him disintegrating anything after doing it. So I think, while it's pretty certain he does take the abilities, we should create a new section, with Shattering, Disintegration, Imprinting, and I think there may be others.--MIDAS 19:27, 13 February, 2010

  • Maybe your right, we do do that for the others.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 18:33, 13 February 2010 (EST)
    • We do this for Sylar because we know for a fact that he takes the ability even if he doesn't use it. We kinda do it for Peter, because we list powers he used in one section and powers he was exposed to but didn't use in another section. Arthur can go either way for me, we know he took all of Peter's abilities, so I wouldn't mind to list him as having, though not have been seen using abilities Peter was known to have used, but people are more keen to list only the ones he was shown using. I believe there is a section in Arthur's article saying which powers Peter had that Arthur didn't use. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:42, 13 February 2010 (EST)
      • I kinda think we should in Peter's case, when he used phasing he proved that he doesn't need any interaction to use someone's power.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 20:42, 13 February 2010 (EST)
        • The way I see it, Peter thought he needed the interaction because that's how he first figured how to access an ability. Kinda like a placebo effect. When he had his memory wiped, if he needed something and had a power that would do it, it would activate. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 20:47, 13 February 2010 (EST)
          • He had his memory when he used phasing for the first time.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 20:48, 13 February 2010 (EST)
            • Chronologically I mean. We saw him use phasing for the first time after he was capture by Ricky and crew, but Four Months Ago shows he used it to save Adam, before his run-in with René.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 20:49, 13 February 2010 (EST)
              • Could be the first time he realized he didn't need to remind someone to make something. He looked rather surprised that he phased, so it this could be consistent. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 20:52, 13 February 2010 (EST)
                • Still if he could do it once, he could probably do it again (although now that I've said probably I feel like I'm speculating..... hmm....)--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 20:55, 13 February 2010 (EST)
                  • It is possible that he was trying to use another of his abilities, such as telekinesis (like sylar did in The Wall & BNW) but ended up phasing, his body naturally taking over based on the situation. And this is starting to sound like spectulation as well. --mc_hammark 20:56, 13 February 2010 (EST)
                    • So back on topic, what is the issue with listing powers Sylar never used? Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 20:58, 13 February 2010 (EST)
                      • Midas wanted to know why we list abilities Peter has thought to have absorbed, but hasn't used, in a separate section than the ones he has; yet we don't do that for Sylar. --mc_hammark 21:04, 13 February 2010 (EST)
                        • Right. He has a point. Peter cut open future Nathan's skull because he wanted to see how Nathan reasoned, or something. He didn't want to take his power. However, Sylar probably took Joe Macon's power even if he had opened his skull for answers, because there's no reason not to.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 21:11, 13 February 2010 (EST)
                            • Sylar taking someone's ability is always certain when he does it, not certain with Peter due to the nature of his original ability. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 22:02, 13 February 2010 (EST)
                              • Do we know for certain though? Was it ever explicitly stated that the moment he looks at a brain, he has the ability?--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 22:11, 13 February 2010 (EST)
                                • He needs to poke around it for a while as we saw with Claire, but it is usually assumed that he takes abilities of people he scalps. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 22:37, 13 February 2010 (EST)
                                  • We've never seen Sylar expose somebody's brain and NOT take their ability, guess it's right to list him as having imprinting and disintegration. And the process of ability theft takes only a few seconds - remember Charlie, Sue Landers and Tom Miller. Green.gif AltesUTC CH 05:52, 14 February 2010 (EST)
  • It seems as though Sylar only ever opens the brain to take someone's power, as we've never seen him do it for any other reason, and tends to kill people in more mundance ways the rest of the time (like slashing Nathan's throat). It's technically speculative to say he took their powers as he hasn't demonstrated them, but that seems a very silly amount of nitpicking as it seems that was clearly the writer's intention. It's safe enough to list them, I think. Swm 06:56, 14 February 2010 (EST)
  • Exposing the brain not only abades the hunger but it also allows him to take someone's ability and know how to use it much faster than the empathy route, which is why Elle had to teach him when he took hers, and why his shapeshifting was quite slow at first. However, and pardon me for questioning what's already well established, why should he open up the skull at all? If IA allows him to know how things work why would seeing and feeling the brain help? The first season/volume the creators intended for him to eat the brains altering his DNA and obtaining the ability, but that was of course changed and why his victims' brains were missing was not explained. The fact his DNA changed with each new ability was confirmed multiple times but how can he alter his own brain functions and change his DNA just by sticking his fingers in somebody's skull? Sorry, a bit off topic, but that's the problem I have, and IMHO if it's clear he acquired an ability listing it is fine, whether he uses it or not.--Inblackestnight 20:59, 31 May 2010

Saint Sylar

Sign if you think Saint-Sylar sucks!

  1. --Boycool42 19:34, 21 February 2010 (EST)
  2. -- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 09:36, 23 February 2010 (EST) I love Sylar, I dont like saint Sylar...
  3. Make him a recurring evil character, not a main one. Watching him soul search for 3 seasons has grown annoying. Go season one evil Sylar!--Ratclaws 16:23, 23 February 2010 (EST)
    I think it should be god-Sylar vs. Hiro. Hiro should either have a "yatta"-ish win or a Isaac-type death. Then god-Peter jumps in and disintegrates Sylar. The Heroes walk toward the sunset.  :)--Boycool42 20:41, 23 February 2010 (EST)
  4. --Dance4thedead 17:51, 23 February 2010 (EST) I liked him when he was in Matt's head. That was intresting.
  • Doesn't it strike you as a little...early, not to mention unfair, to be asking this when we've seen him for all of one episode? I mean sheesh, give the guy a chance...Swm 05:28, 24 February 2010 (EST)
    • No. No, it doesn't. Boycool42 17:38, 24 February 2010 (EST)
      • Pity. Because it is. Swm 17:13, 24 February 2010 (EST)
        • Ok, I apologize to the fictional character I've never met.--Boycool42 18:20, 24 February 2010 (EST)
          • Sylar is the Bad guy, he is the recurring evil throughout the show if he turns good it can mean one of two things 1)Its the end of Heroes(I hope its not) or 2)It wont stick he'll be Bad again. Melkor111

Sign if you think Saint-Sylar will rock!

  1. --WaterRatj 07:22, 24 February 2010 (EST)
  2. --DrIstvaan 07:59, 24 February 2010 (EST) Go, good Sylar, go! I trust the writers can come up with a really good storyline for the "new" Sylar. Or have him settle down, just like in the exposed future.
  3. --mc_hammark 14:29, 24 February 2010 (EST) Can't wait to see some super/sylarman!
  4. -- daevon 19:03, 24 February 2010 (EST) - He's gonna b the next peter, except with more thinking.
  5. --Telos 22:10, 24 February 2010 (EST)

Sign if you're somewhat ambivalent towards Saint-Sylar!

  1. --PJDEP - Talk - Polls and Opinions 15:12, 24 February 2010 (EST)

Tattoo???

How can Sylar have a tattoo when he has RCR? It didn't work for Peter. --Boycool42 17:53, 22 February 2010 (EST)

  • Sylar is an expert at using and not using powers. Remember he chose not to regenerate once after Noah shot him in shapeshifted form. --mc_hammark 17:59, 22 February 2010 (EST)
  • This is one of those things you just have to ignore, pretend it never happened. It seems like a writer's discrepancy to me.--PJDEP - Talk - Polls and Opinions 20:52, 22 February 2010 (EST)
  • Or you remember that Sylar can delay his regeneration, and realise it fits perfectly, as MC says. Swm 04:50, 23 February 2010 (EST)
    • It's one thing to delay regeneration for a few minutes, but quite another to delay it for days. Sylar seemed to need to focus to stop the regeneration, and I doubt he could hold it that long.--PJDEP - Talk - Polls and Opinions 15:41, 23 February 2010 (EST)
  • Well also, if RCR had to do with it , it woudn't take that long to regenerate. since that tattoo isn't placed in 2 mins, he should already have regenerated in the meanwhile, so it wouldn't had come that far also Sylar's tattoo was something different. That was inkt directly put in his body, it din't make any 'wounds' and that as using his ability of emphathy,two things to consider -- (WaterRatj) 06:54, 23 February 2010 (EST)
  • To clean up what WaterRajt said: Peter's tattoo healed because a tattoo gun actually wounds the skin in order to place the ink in the skin whereas Sylar's ink was directly "injected" into his body and let Empathy make out the design. I know I basically said the same thing, but was just a bit more specific. Telos 9:29, 23 February 2010 (EST)

Uh, okay, thanks.--Boycool42 15:47, 23 February 2010 (EST)

  • It's amazing how a simple question can lead to a debate :p. Regardless, I hope you find an answer(s)--PJDEP - Talk - Polls and Opinions 15:50, 23 February 2010 (EST)

Sylar's mother

Is it possible Sylar's mother has empathy or empathic mimicry? Is that how Sylar has an empathic byproduct or is it part of intuitive aptitude? Could he have acquired it that way, somehow. --User:Blood69 18:02, 25 February 2010 (AEST)

  • Sylar doesn't have empathic mimicry. The empathy aspect of his ability is consistent with what intuitive aptitude is supposed to do. He understands how things work. He's just using it to understand people through their emotions, rather than through their brains. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 07:11, 25 February 2010 (EST)
    • That's what I thought. Thanks for confirmation, IE. And Dennis has poison emission? Doubtful, my friend. Any thoughts about Sylar's mother's power? Cause I'm guess Sylar might have accessed it through the empathic part of his ability. User:Blood69 11:23, 26 February 2010 (AEST)

Supercharge

I know it's unlikely, but what happens if Ando supercharges Sylar?--Boycool42 16:13, 27 February 2010 (EST)

  • Dunno, maybe he kills/almost kills him, hunger goes out of control, abilities go out of control, tons of possibilities. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 16:16, 27 February 2010 (EST)
    • Anyone else think it would be funny if something totally random happened? Like if suddenly turned into a cabbage or something?--PJDEP - Talk - Polls and Opinions 17:15, 27 February 2010 (EST)
      • I think with a supercharged Sylar, the earth really would split in half.--Boycool42 20:38, 27 February 2010 (EST)
        • Given that he can understand how things work, he could probably become omniscient by understanding how the universe and maybe even life itself works.--Telos 03:09, 1 March 2010 (EST)

Soundtrack

Sylar's soundtrack fits evil-Sylar perfect, but I think that this one fits him even better. Anyone agrees?-- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 12:54, 28 February 2010 (EST)

  • I dunno, I've always really liked the original one, plus the original one has the ticking. --mc_hammark 15:02, 28 February 2010 (EST)

"we do list this stuff"

Why must this stuff be included?

  1. Referring to any theory for Sylar's empathy-power-taking other than the empathic mimicry one as "purely empathy"
  2. A severly incomplete list of people Sylar has encountered without necessarily getting their abilities.
  3. The out-of-universe fact that it used to be unclear whether or not Sylar had flight.
  4. A second mention of the fact that Sylar can take powers through empathy, and a redundant list of examples. - Josh (talk/contribs) 17:40, 3 March 2010 (EST)

Sylar taking powers without looking the brain was called as empathy by Arthur, not us. And it's not a separate power, it still makes sense with his core ability, he's just understanding the power through the holder's emotions rather than the brain. We list only relevant people. We mentioned Echo because he already had his power, and the other two because he passed the opportunity of getting their abilities. We say that at the time it was unknown, but that it was confirmed later, what's the problem with that? Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 17:46, 3 March 2010 (EST)

  • How is that "purely empathy"? How is the empathy in the empathic mimicry theory impure? The flight thing is out of perspective; it goes in the notes section if anything. - Josh (talk/contribs) 18:01, 3 March 2010 (EST)
    • The purely empathy can be dropped IMO, Sylar getting powers through empathy was the reason BTE said he didn't lose telekinesis to the Shanti virus, we only call it empathy because that's what Arthur said. We just try to make sense of it. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:05, 3 March 2010 (EST)

Introductory paragraph

This is far too long. Anyone want to help trim it?--PJDEP - Talk - Polls and Opinions 17:58, 3 March 2010 (EST)

  • It seems too wordy now.--Boycool42 21:46, 12 March 2010 (EST)

Theories about Sylar killing people

Should we discuss the theories that Sylar is planning to still kill people? I mean he is good now. Maybe we should remove all the Sylar will kill...... theories.--Blood69 05:28, 5 March 2010 (EST)

  • Whether it happens or not, it's still a valid theory. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 07:52, 5 March 2010 (EST)

Empathy + Intuitive aptitude...

...means all he has to do is touch someone to get their ability's

If his IA allows him to gain ability's by empathising with peoples emotions, and empathy allows him to empathise with peoples emotions immediately just by touching them, then he should be able to gain peoples ability's just by touching them. Exploding Man Animation.gifMelkor111 14:53, 6 March 2010 (EST)

  • Hypothetically, this should work. However, I feel like the writers may dance around this particular topic just because it would raise his power to the extreme.--PJDEP - Talk - Polls and Opinions 02:58, 7 March 2010 (EST)

"Plot Twists"

The reason some of these things seem like plot twists or surprises is because Heroes fans tend to predict the most creative plot for upcoming episodes, while the writers tend to write the least creative plots. Example: In BNW, some of us were expecting Damien to reveal Samuel's secrets and then the whole Carnival erupts in a fight. But, no. They just left. Does anyone agree?--Boycool42 07:27, 10 March 2010 (EST)

  • I guess that's kinda true but its just lately. season 1, 2 kinda, and most of 3 aren't like that . Melkor111
    • Well given that all of season 1 was prophecied beforehand...--Boycool42 15:44, 11 March 2010 (EST)

Chalkboard

Sylar writes with his right hand in Pass/Fail. Anyone think that he told Claire the truth about being ambidextrous?--Boycool42 15:40, 12 March 2010 (EST)

  • Nice spot man. Could indeed be.--Evil Maldini 17:15, 12 March 2010 (EST)
    • I didn't notice that, I bet with shape shifting and Intuitive aptitude he could easily be ambidextrous. --Melkor111 08:10, 13 March 2010 (EST)
      • RGS and Mc Hammark won't let anyone put it on Sylar's article that he was ambidextruous.--Boycool42 08:12, 13 March 2010 (EST)
        • What does this have to do with me? Doesn't the page already say, "Sylar writes with his left hand in An Invisible Thread. He writes with his right hand in Pass/Fail"? -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 08:24, 13 March 2010 (EST)
          • Yes.--Boycool42 08:27, 13 March 2010 (EST)
            • Boycool, I'd check things before you just start throwing accusations. The last time I edited the Sylar page was over a month ago. I'm beginning to think you have a problem with me personally, since you even acknowledged the fact you threatened me. --mc_hammark 09:46, 13 March 2010 (EST)
        • Also, for future reference, it was me that reverted your edit to the Sylar page, not Mc hammark.--PJDEP - Talk - Polls and Opinions 21:28, 13 March 2010 (EST)
          • Yeah, I'm gonna go hide in the corner...--Boycool42 09:47, 14 March 2010 (EDT)
            • Ha looks like you got put in your place. --Melkor111 11:40, 14 March 2010 (EDT)

Flight

I don't mean to Sylar repeat anybody or myself. Sylar should have flight before he acquired it from Nathan: In season 1 during when he acquired enhance hearing Dale said that she could hear the smallest sound; Sylar overcame this and used his IA and telekinesis to leviate to kill her; if there are two people and one leviates and the other flies they are both defying gravity; since IA give Sylar more control of the power he gained and know how it worked or can work e.g. Telekinesis being use as a knife to cut open his victim's head. This mean he should have developed telekinesis to leviate to flight. --50000JH 20:49, 28 March 2010 (EDT)

  • Everyone knows that already, flight and TK are simply abilities which can be used to perform similar tasks. TK most likely can't be used in the same scale as flight, and Sylar doesn't care much about how useful an ability is, we've been told this already. I apologize, because this will sound rude, but you really should stop making so many topics to state the obvious. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 20:55, 28 March 2010 (EDT)

Distractions

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"....That means an extra plate. Why don't you stay for dinner? Least I can offer my new hero."

Does anyone else think that would be hilarious? Imagine if HRG had to go with the facade and play nice with Sylar. That would be a dozen times funnier than the Bennet thanksgiving dinner.--BOYCOOL -- THE END IS NIGH. 19:17, 10 April 2010 (EDT)

Empathic connection

This is only a suggestion could we call the way that Sylar doesn't get his ability from killing "Empathic Connection" as this does not fit in with Intuitive aptitude: Analyzing complex system. It even has on the Intuitive aptitude main page: "Analyze complex systems" as well as "Intuitive aptitude is the ability to understand the structure and operation of complex systems without special education or training. However, it also compels the holder to understand as much as they can, resulting in a "hunger" which can manifest a need to understand, which often causes Sylar to kill other evolved humans and acquire their abilities." there is nothing about gaining abilities empathically on the main description of the ability.--50000JH 15:55, 10 May 2010 (EDT)

    • Agreed, there's a page called ability theft about the scalping and brain examination thing, but acquiring abilities empathically isn't theft. It is already mentioned there, but not too much in detail. It deserves to be expanded and explained and all. Green.gif AltesUTC CH 05:43, 2 June 2010 (EDT)

empathic mimicry

This has been discussed before (see above), but it's worth bringing up again. It certainly is possible that Sylar has empathic mimicry, but there simply is no conclusive evidence or proof pointing to him definitely having that ability. Therefore we won't list it on this page. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:18, 26 February 2011 (EST)