Talk:Temporal rewind

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Ability Naming Conventions
The following sources are used for determining evolved human ability names, in order:
1. Canon Sources Episodes
2. Near-canon Sources Webisodes,
Graphic Novels,
iStories,
Heroes Evolutions
3. Secondary Sources
Episode commentary,
Interviews,
Heroes: Survival
4. Common names for abilities Names from other works
5. Descriptions of abilities Descriptions
6. Possessor's name If no non-speculative
description is possible

Note: The highlighted row represents the level of the source used to determine temporal rewind's name.
Source/Explanation
"Temporal rewind" is explicitly named on the Heroes: Survival profile of John Mulligan, a character confirmed to belong to iStory writer Zach Wilson.

Policy

Okay, what happened to the policy of only creating powers that were demonstrated in the iStory? --Radicell 20:27, 19 December 2009 (EST)

  • I'm with you there. I like this power and all, but if it hasn't been demonstrated then it doesn't deserve a page. -Vampirate68 | Talk | Contribs | 20:59, 19 December 2009 (EST)
    • I agree. There was some discussion about this here. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:10, 19 December 2009 (EST)
      • I agree too that only demonstrated abilities of Heroes: Survival characters should be in the mainspace. However, I think this ability should be considered demonstrated because it's listed on a character confirmed to be maintained by the iStory writer and there are examples listed from John Mulligan's bio. Syn Anders's bio from Habbo was used to list examples for empathic manipulation when that ability was first listed. I see this as the same situation.--MiamiVolts (talk) 23:56, 19 December 2009 (EST)
        • So you're saying that the controller of the HSG character is a deciding factor. Personally I don't see why it would matter. I mean, examples of memory theft and silicon manipulation were also given in the bios of Miles Lecomte and Mykah. But those abilities don't have pages, since there weren't examples in the iStory. I don't see how John is different, aside from the fact that he is controlled by an iStory writer, which I don't believe should be considered when determining this. --Radicell 03:47, 20 December 2009 (EST)
          • Right, I'm saying just that--that I think the controller is what matters. In the Heroes: Survival game, Miles Lecomte and Mykah are characters controlled by fans (not the creators of the show/evolutions). Their game profiles are subject to change at any time without being vetted by a writer/producer, so we cannot know what part of that content has been vetted. That is why I believe we are limiting such content to what appears in the iStory. Mulligan's page we know has been written by the iStory writer, and as such I think that makes the profile near-canon content. So is there another reason why don't you want to consider the source as a deciding factor?--MiamiVolts (talk) 05:29, 20 December 2009 (EST)
            • Although, what'll really tie you guys in knots is, has he actually demonstrated his ability, but because he rewound time and relived it, we would not remember it, or read it, now would we? --mc_hammark 06:44, 20 December 2009 (EST)
              • With his ability, Hiro will remember it to tell us. He's the witness. Green.gif AltesUTC CH 06:47, 20 December 2009 (EST)
                • I think that he remembers what has happened before he rewound time. Otherwise, this would be a worthless ability as you would never know that you had it. Vampirate68 | Talk | Contribs | 13:19, 23 December 2009 (EST)
                  • Not sure if you're talking to me V68, but I'm not talking about him not remembering, I'm talking about us not reading about it. Why would they have the same thing twice when they can just say he's rewound it. --mc_hammark 13:30, 23 December 2009 (EST)

assignment tracker

his assignment tracker says he can rewind space-time. What's that? I understand rewinding time, but not the space part. And should't that be noted on the ability page. --mc_hammark 12:03, 15 January 2010 (EST)

  • Yes, the assignment tracker information should be added. I'm not positive about what is meant by rewinding space-time, but my thought is that they just mean that John is moving to maintain his current position while he rewinds time.--MiamiVolts (talk) 14:00, 15 January 2010 (EST)

I'm Sick Of These Abilities

Temporal rewind, spider mimicry, health optimizing, inflammation, spontaneous combustion, phoenix mimicry, belief induction, acidic blood, animal control... What is up with all these abilities!?! Abilities used to be clear-cut, well-defined, having only facets that are similar. But now we have these abilities. Honestly, they sound like they belong in the fan powers page.--ERROR 21:59, 15 January 2010 (EST)

  • What you got to realize is when you first create a series like this, the abilities will start out clean cut. However, when you expand upon it you have to get more "creative" with abilities. X-Men is an example of this. Started off with telepathy, telekineses, laser eyes, flight (with wings), freezing, etc. But as the series expanded, so did the fine line between different abilities and how "weird" they are. Otherwise you'll be stuck with many people with the same ability like Enhanced strength. --OutbackZack 00:02, 16 January 2010 (EST)
    • Error, I agree with you for the most part. I think Spontaneous Combustion is fine, and animal control seems pretty standard, but spider mimicry and phoenix mimicry are over the top for me. Zack, I understand there is a point where a line has to be crossed, but we need to remember that this ISN'T X-Men, and they need to try to keep it semi-realistic, since the point of the show is "ordinary people with extraordinary abilities."--Riddler 00:06, 16 January 2010 (EST)
      • The "extraordinary" part leaves room of any sort of ability. --OutbackZack 00:21, 16 January 2010 (EST)
        • Not necessarily. Emma's ability is well written and very creative (sure, Dazzler from the X-Men could convert sound into light, but I've never seen someone who could channel emotions through music) and still fits in the show very nicely; you don't get a WTF moment with her ability. Error, I agree that some abilities from outside the episodes are too fantastical (phoenix mimicry), too weird (spider mimicry) or too science-fiction (dimension hopping), and they would really feel alien if they appeared in the show, which is indeed problematic. But some that you cited, like temporal rewind or inflammation seem pretty "normal" to me.--Referos 09:05, 16 January 2010 (EST)
          • The only problem I have with all these abilities is that all the characters always seem to have backgrounds where they discover their powers infront of people. And with so many people with abilities around the world, it's a miricle that humans don't know about them. The company must have been really busy and good at what they were doing. --mc_hammark 10:28, 16 January 2010 (EST)
            • I like to think that these abilities from the iStories are just fan made abilities (which they of are I guess), and Heroes just revolves around the episodes, webisodes, and graphic novels. Now I know Spider mimicry comes from the graphic novels, and not the istories, but they made a wrong turn there. They have to think of/about abilities that would seem "realistic" to be seen in the episodes. Caleb attacking someone with eight other legs on his back would never appear in the episodes.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 10:37, 16 January 2010 (EST)
              • I liked Caleb's ability. I think it was a real throwback to the golden days of Marvel and DC Comics. A unique ability in a very classic style. But the great thing about Heroes is that if you don't like an ability, you don't have to gripe about it--you can simply focus on the characters with abilities you do like. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 10:41, 16 January 2010 (EST)
              • I liked Caleb's ability too, and Temperal Rewind would be my favourite if it appeared in the show. I didn't like Hiro's full ability. Way too powerful! And phoenix mimicry should really be several seperate powers rather than one gigantic one. He should have Flight, Pyrokinesis, Healing and reincaration, not a super-duper big phoenix mimicry.--Isaac Mendez 11:57, 16 January 2010 (EST)
              • The point was I trying to make is that when you start a series such as this, the abilities are easy to come up for people. However, as time goes by and you expand the universe of characters they have to ask themselves "What haven't they seen before? What will make them remember the character?" The characters are more effective when they have an ability unlike anyone else and produces that "whoa" factor. Throwing out another character with enhanced strenght, or healing, or susper speed will only get an "oh, i see" factor. This show and X-Men are very much similiar and different. Expect the lines to start to blur a little bit more over time though as they have to cross the realism a few times to keep the series interesting. --OutbackZack 13:59, 16 January 2010 (EST)
                • yeah, i understand what you're saying. I think that's why claude is so popular. Until this season, he was the only person (really) that we knew with invisibility. Plus he wasn't too in depth so left mystery for the viewers. --mc_hammark 14:06, 16 January 2010 (EST)

I'm just saying, I don't like these half-abilities, and four-in-one abilities, and based-on-another-existing-ability abilities. Actually, I'm fine with that last one, it's just that I think there's too many of them. And I just prefer having clear-cut boundaries between abilities. It's definately necessary to have a little blurring from time to time, but overall...

Mostly, I'm just a little overwhelmed by the sheer mass of abilities that fit in the aforementioned three categories. And, yes, you do have a point, RGS.--ERROR 19:12, 20 January 2010 (EST)

Can I ask a question?

If, say, the user of the ability gets shot. He uses the ability to get back to the specific time before he was shot. Will the wound still stay on him or does "rewinding time" also allow him to revert his physical condition back to the time point he wanted? Just curious--Realistic

  • It's unclear if John's power would work that way, but, yes, in the traditional sense (how this ability generally appears in other works), rewinding time reverts one's physical condition while maintaining one's mind and memories. --Referos 18:26, 26 January 2010 (EST)

My personal opinion is that the wound will remain. After all, if your mind remains the same, why not your body?--ERROR 16:08, 14 May 2010 (EDT)