Talk:Terrakinesis

From Heroes Wiki
Jump to: navigation, search
Ability Naming Conventions
The following sources are used for determining evolved human ability names, in order:
1. Canon Sources Episodes
Webisodes,
Graphic Novels,
iStories,
Heroes Evolutions
3. Secondary Sources Episode commentary,
Interviews,
Heroes: Survival
4. Common names for abilities Names from other works
5. Descriptions of abilities Descriptions
6. Possessor's name If no non-speculative
description is possible

Note: The highlighted row represents the level of the source used to determine terrakinesis's name.
Source/Explanation
"Terrakinesis" is given explicitly in Rebellion, Part 3.


Lead Ability Image

Wouldnt this image, be a better lead image, Because:
+ It shows Sparrow invoking it
+ It's clear how the earth's moving the hummer
- the current lead image isn't very self-explanatory, doesn't portray action, and just looks like a picture of a stalagmite.--HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 05/12/2009 08:11 (EST)

  • Agreed, I'll fix it now. --Radicell 09:41, 12 May 2009 (EDT)

Why isn't this the main image yet?--Laudo 16:26, 28 May 2009 (EDT)

    • It was the lead image for a while...looks like Radicell decided to replace it with this one when the 2nd GN came out.
      • I like the new lead image (Terrakinesis.jpg). It's just easier to tell that it's earth she's manipulating, and it also shows the scale and magnitude of her power a bit better. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:40, 28 May 2009 (EDT)

Alternative

I'm not sure I should be adding this section, but we ever rename this, just take earth and put geological. Same thing, classier name. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 21:01, 12 May 2009 (EDT)

  • Actually, Sparrow's exact quote is "controlling the earth". If we're going to rename it anything, it should probably be from those words, something like "earth controlling" or "earth control". But neither of those sound very smooth to me, and I'm find with "earth manipulation". -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:10, 12 May 2009 (EDT)
  • "Geokinesis"? Wanderer32 22:15, 12 May 2009 (EDT)
    • Although I can't find any exact matches, it seems that both earth manipulation and geokinesis are common names for her ability based on wikia and wikipedia, though those are not really valid sources. However, for me earth manipulation implies she can manipulate the Earth in other ways... for instance, the character Petra in the Marvel Universe can turn rocks into diamonds. They call Petra's ability 'geokinesis' though, so that kind of invalidates that argument. Go figure.--MiamiVolts (talk) 03:49, 13 May 2009 (EDT)
  • One I've always been fond of is "Terrakinesis". Terra = Earth + '-kinesis'. The ability to control the classical element of Earth (soil, rocks, etc) with the power of the mind. This allows for the 'levitation' aspect of the power as well (i.e., lifting rocks and suspending them in the air). Just my 2 cents. PowerSink 17:32, 13 May 2009 (AEST)
    • In my searches, terrakinesis is always referred to as another name for geokinesis. Though I like the term terrakinesis, I find it is less common.--MiamiVolts (talk) 03:49, 13 May 2009 (EDT)
      • Other than Tele- and Pyro-, I don't think we'll ever see another -kinesis ability in Heroes, at least not named like that. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 16:56, 13 May 2009 (EDT)
      • I'm all for Terrakinesis or Geokinesis! --Isaac Mendez 12:06, 14 May 2009 (EDT)
      • Earth manipulation works, it sums it up perfectly --Lolwut 09:09, 15 May 2009 (EDT)
      • The graphic novel Rebellion, Pt 3 specifically names this ability as Terrakinesis. This is semi-canon, correct?Swm 06:39, 19 May 2009 (EDT)
        • Correct. --Radicell 06:52, 19 May 2009 (EDT)
        • And thank god! I really didn't want the whole voting process with millions and millions of names, each rejected by one or two people saying "hmmm... too speclative" with one of my favourite character's abilities. --Isaac Mendez 10:19, 23 May 2009 (EDT)
        • I'd of thought, judging by how we have pyrokinesis, rather than flamakinesis, that we would similarly get geo-k instead of terra-k. But, hey I 'm not complaining, since I've always been partial to the Latin names myself.--Laudo 19:38, 27 May 2009 (EDT)

Teen Titans Reference?

Haha when I first realized the name of her power I thaught it was a reference to the teen titans character Tera. I get it now, but I wonder if anyone else thought the same thing. -Earl

  • Not really, since Tera's name is itself a reference to her power (like a certain mailman on Heroes). Frankly I would have thought the power to be more commonly known as "geokinesis", but I guess since they mean the same thing the point is rather moot.-Piemanmoo 20:02, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
    • Yeah, as far as -kinesis powers go, I thought they'd stick with Greek prefixes. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 20:17, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
      • I don't know, I've always heard Terrakinesis over Geokinesis myself. I'm not an avid superhero fan, though. To me (and this is just my opinion) terrakinesis sounds more like moving dirt, and geokinesis seems more like moving the planet (think geography, geothermal, etc. - these refer to the planet, not the material). --Yamawhata? 17:13, 22 May 2009 (EDT)
        • I doubt you've ever heard either term. However, "Geokinesis" would be correct, as the -kinesis root is from Greek. "Terra" is Latin. "Geo" is Greek. Both roots mean "land or earth". This article, and all references to it, should be changed to "geokinesis". TheNilvarg 00:59, 29 October 2009
          • That's quite rude to doubt what somebody else claims. However, we won't be using the made up word "geokinesis". We'll use the term that was explicitly given to us in a graphic novel, "terrakinesis". -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 03:04, 29 October 2009 (EDT)
        • Well, as far as semantics go, I think Geo is the exactly same thing as Terra, which also happens to be earth in Portuguese. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 17:21, 22 May 2009 (EDT)
          • That's because terra is the Latin word for Earth, and Portuguese, like French, Spanish, and Italian, evolved out of Latin.--Laudo 19:34, 27 May 2009 (EDT)

Examples page?

With Rebellion Part 6, we now have more than nine images of the ability (one main image plus eight in examples gallery), this warrants an examples page and changing the examples section to selected examples right? Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 14:30, 14 July 2009 (EDT)

  • If we have one in the main and eight in the examples, it can stay that way. However, if we do have more than nine, we probably need an examples page (and we probably will considering the new villain for Season 4...) --Radicell 21:41, 21 September 2009 (EDT)

Seriously

Sparrows escape route.jpg

You have to be blind and deaf not to notice either an island with people flying across the sky or a pillar of earth rising from asphalt. Green.gif AltesUTC CH


This ability...

now goes in the episode abilities portal along with an image from the episodes, right?--Catalyst · Talk · HL 07:39, 22 September 2009 (EDT)

  • Yes, but before we do, we need to decide which image we use as the main one now, episode abilities are prefered over gn images right? Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:49, 22 September 2009 (EDT)
    • Seems right. But anyway, this one i think.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 18:55, 22 September 2009 (EDT)
      • Could be, but I'd still like to see more earth in it. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 20:22, 22 September 2009 (EDT)
        • Our standard is to use a live action image over an illustrated image, so long as the live action is good (read: not necessarily better than the illustrated image, just good in and of itself). Plus, full disclosure, I combined one or two different shots so there would be more earth and action in the image. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:33, 22 September 2009 (EDT)

ink

Did anyone get a picture of samuel absorbing the ink. And was he absorbing it into himself or onto his skin like a tattoo, I wasn't sure which. This should be listed as an example, shouldn't it? --mc_hammark 12:40, 29 September 2009 (EDT)

  • It didn't look like a tattoo. It looked like he was simply absorbing it into himself. Whatever it was, it was definitely him using his power. Here's a picture (though we should probably get a shot without the text to add to this page). -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 13:05, 29 September 2009 (EDT)
    • Here's a better one without the writing. --mc_hammark 14:22, 29 September 2009 (EDT)
      • Certainly looks muddy. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 15:44, 29 September 2009 (EDT)
        • Wow! This really gets me curious in how he is using his ability to absorb the ink, maybe the ink has terra-related substances?? I guess we will find out in the next couple of eps -- Futurepeter ( U - T - C) 16:06, 29 September 2009 (EDT)
          • I believe the current hypothesis is that he can actually manipulate the very minerals of the earth, meaning he can move dirt, stone, and things which contain mineral elements such as tattoo ink. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 16:43, 29 September 2009 (EDT)

another example

peter's partner, can't remember his name, said that william hooper was on the bus and that it was in his journal. Obviously samuel has put ink to paper, but since this is an assumption I don't think we can add this to the page. Can we? --mc_hammark 13:19, 2 October 2009 (EDT)

Samuel was shown doing just that, so I say okay.--ERROR 18:02, 11 October 2009 (EDT)

  • No. It's entirely plausible that Samuel simply wrote the name "William Hooper" on the passenger list (not his journal)...or that Samuel used the name of somebody who actually was on the bus. Although it's an excellent assumption, we can't assume that Samuel used his power to put his name on the list. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:47, 11 October 2009 (EDT)

Oh, oh, I see what you mean now. I thought you meant when Samuel put an image of himself on Peter's newspaper. I guess I was just a little confused by the wording.--ERROR 14:00, 9 February 2010 (EST)

Lead Image

This needs to be the lead image.--Ratclaws 14:11, 27 October 2009 (EDT)

Agreed, it's a much more direct example. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 14:15, 27 October 2009 (EDT)
  • I support this as well, but let's see what others think before actually changing it. -- Psilaq R.- \m/ -_- \m/- 16:18, 27 October 2009 (EDT)
    • Your right, sorry.--Ratclaws 17:03, 27 October 2009 (EDT)
  • I don't think this is a proper image. It shows more of a collapsing building than manipulation of earth. It doesn't even look like Samuel is destroying it. Green.gif AltesUTC CH
    • Anyone who watches Heroes knows what he is doing. And if they don't, that's what the description is for on the ability page stating what the image is.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 09:51, 6 November 2009 (EST)
      • But then again, the article says, "Terrakinesis is the ability to control geologic materials such as minerals, dirt and rocks". The description says, "Samuel Sullivan brings down a police station". The connection here is pretty weak... Green.gif AltesUTC CH
        • Well we can fix the image description to have it sound more earthquakey.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 09:56, 6 November 2009 (EST)
          • As cool as the image is, I don't think it's representative of the power. Remember, the image should represent what Sparrow and Samuel can do. This is neither. It's an example of something Samuel can do, but it seems to be more of the exception than the norm--it's certainly not representative of the normal use of his ability. Nor is it representative of what we've seen Sparrow do. I'd like to see something with moving dirt or earth. I like the image we had of Samuel moving the dirt over his brother's grave--that's something we've seen both Samuel and Sparrow do. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:24, 6 November 2009 (EST)
            • Even though we didn't actually see Sparrow do something like that, I think it's pretty clear she'd be able to do that, considering the other things we saw her do. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 17:15, 6 November 2009 (EST)
              • The image of Samuel levitating the rock shards very clearly show something we've seen both Samuel and Sparrow do. --Skullman1392 02:30, 30 November 2009 (EST)

Here's a question...

When Samuel brought down the police precinct, did he manipulate the building itself, or the ground underneath, the way he did when he (presumably) created the sinkhole. And can we say he actually created that sink hole? There are a lot of things I've said on here that have been shot down because it is just assuming that is what happened, well isn't the sinkhole thing the same? --mc_hammark 18:35, 27 October 2009 (EDT)

  • I think if the walls were made of a rock type substance he took the building down itself. If not, he moved the ground (my personal opinion). And I think he did create the sink hole. Seems easily possible with this ability.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 18:39, 27 October 2009 (EDT)

Travelling

I think I may have figured something out. In Hysterical Blindness and Strange Attractors Samuel has made the carnival appear. I think he did this. Many people have speculated that someone teleported the carnival or created illusions. I, however, think that Samuel has moved the very earth, enabling him/the carnival/other people to travel extremely vast distances in the blink of an eye. It would explain why it was night when he and Tracy went to the carnival. A different time of the day for a different part of the country or whatever. Josh KorolenkoUTChronicles

  • You make me picture a giant flying chuck of earth with the Carnival on top of it. Unless someone else is involved, hiding it while it flies, I think people would notice. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 12:35, 28 October 2009 (EDT)
    • I'm not talking about moving the carnival. I'm talking about moving the ground beneath their feet, shifting from one place to another. As if the planet just moved and they were at the carnival. Josh KorolenkoUTChronicles
      • Like the soil shifting? I suppose that would account for the extra blurry effects used when Samuel and Tracy appeared at the carnival. --mc_hammark 13:56, 28 October 2009 (EDT)
        • GUYs! plz its not samuel moving the earth ... there is no empirical evidence to suggest that ...remember the brief introduction of teddy?? his ability is listed as http://heroeswiki.com/Cloaking he can cause things to disappear and reappear.....???? hmmmmm kinda think thats the answer that has a more substantive meaning..
          • I believe it is Samuel. Sparrow has already shown she is able to move the earth and Samuel should be able to do the same. Just because Teddy was able to hide a container or something doesn't mean he would be able to hide a giant carnival. Also....ummm if he did hide the carnival in Strange Attractors did he hide it over the town and crush it when he uncloaked it? Because Samuel and Tracy actually moved from one place to another!!!! And the same thing with Hysterical Blindness, Teddy could have cloaked it but then the noise would of been heard by the police??? So I believe Samuel is very very very quickly moving the carnival. :) AJUTChronicles
            • AJ, that's a possible theory, but remember that it's just a theory and doesn't belong on the terrakinesis page. It could just as easily be cloaking, illusion and/or some sort of portal system at work. We just don't know in this case.--MiamiVolts (talk) 21:24, 4 November 2009 (EST)
              • I know that and I never said that it belonged on the Terrakinesis page. I was just expressing my theory and my "disbelief" that Teddy could cloak the carnival. AJUTChronicles
      • If they were moving that fast they should have been thrown off balance, or at least have their hair messed up. Also, were they even walking on dirt when Samuel and Tracy suddenly appeared at the carnival?--PJDEP 21:51, 15 November 2009 (EST)

Main Image

Does anybody think this image is a good main image? It shows Samuel with floating in from of him.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 19:40, 4 December 2009 (EST)

  • It's not that clear as to whether it is telekinesis or terrakinisis. The one we have just now is fine, and that may just make it confusing. --mc_hammark 19:42, 4 December 2009 (EST)
    • I know I have said this before, that is what the description in the infobox is for. And it clearly shows rocks. I don't believe any telekinetic has lifted a rock before.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 19:44, 4 December 2009 (EST)
      • But they could however. In any case, I feel like the image we have now reflects the true potency of the ability.--PJDEP 17:07, 6 December 2009 (EST)

Quote

I'm not a big fan of the current quote we have, the one about Samuel destroying cities and mountains. We don't know that Sparrow can magnify her power like Samuel does and having this quote insinuates that.--PJDEP 22:36, 17 December 2009 (EST)

Sydney Earthquake Samuel?

If he thrives on other powers, in that future everyone has them so he could make earthquakes and lets not forget splitting the world in half.

  • See here. And please remember to sign your posts, just use the signature button at the top. --mc_hammark 14:34, 21 December 2009 (EST)

Samuel Makes the Ink

So, by the most recent episode where Sylar is looking for ink and Samuel tells him he destroyed the last of it, and then Samuel is holding a pot with what seems to be dirt or something... It seems that Samuel is the one who uses his ability to make the ink! --Scorvi12 08:51, 9 January 2010 (EST)

  • ... we knew that already, since Ink, which opens up with him making it. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 16:11, 9 January 2010 (EST)
    • Didn't he make it then absorb it into himself? --Leckie -- Talk 16:33, 9 January 2010 (EST)

Terrakinetics Cannot Draw Off of Terrakinetics

Now, this is just a theory, but I think that terrakinetics cannot grow stronger with the presence of other terrakinetics. When Samuel became powerless in Brave New World, the only special nearby was Peter, who had just gotten his ability. Yes, there was Emma, Sylar, Eric, and Claire, but even with four people, he still should have been able to defend himself.--ERROR 14:11, 9 February 2010 (EST)

  • Samuel was using his powers in the presence of another terrakinetic (Peter). He only seemed unable to use them after Hiro/Ando transported the bulk of the EH's away. So I don't think there is any kind of 'negating factor,' (though I will say that the tactics Peter and Samuel used in that battle were pretty poor). As a side point, Claire wasn't there , so it was only Peter, Emma, Doyle and Sylar. When Claire returned, so did Hiro and Ando. --Stevehim 15:31, 9 February 2010 (EST)

Four or Seven

Regarding the number of specials around when Samuel couldn't use his powers: While there were initially 4 (Sylar, Peter, Emma, Doyle), when Samuel was being loaded into the police car, Hiro, Ando and Claire were there as well. It might, however, be speculative to include that since we didn't see him try to use his powers then (even if common sense would dictate he would probably try to, we can't really assume that).
On a similar note, did we ever figure out how the Carnival moves? When Samuel took Tracy there, we didn't see any other EH's around...as such, to say it was anything other than Samuel moving them would be speculation as well, right? Therefore, he was able to use some form of his power (to bring himself and Tracy to the Carnival) when only one other EH was present (similarly, he killed Mohinder and Joseph with less than 4 other EH's around, though that brings into question range and how much of his ability he can use). --Stevehim 15:28, 9 February 2010 (EST)

I think we should put about...

...the ability that The more people there are the powerful the ability becomes. The film about Samuel thought that he was special and powerful, not because of his ability but may be he was divine or somewhere, along those lines but reading A brave new world it is clear more people there are the powerful, although we not seen this with sparrow although she been with less people then what Samuel and Peter have been with.--50000JH 20:57, 20 March 2010 (EDT)

  • First, don't make giant section names. Second, the more people, more power is mentioned in Samuel's section, no divine stuff. Sparrow has been in proximity with other evolved humans, and was able to use her ability while falling from a plane. With both alone, she's more powerful. Third, please, use proper formatting in your text, no need for blocks of text. Fourth, all in all, you made a section for nothing. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 11:45, 21 March 2010 (EDT)

Can terrakinetics manipulate metal?

Metal comes from the earth. "Earthbenders" in Avatar: The Last Airbender could manipulate metal with concentration. Anyone?--Boycool42 08:25, 21 March 2010 (EDT)

  • I don't think so. The metal may come from the earth, but it's not the earth, it's just buried under it. I think terrakinetics are simply movers of dirt/soil/rocks. --mc_hammark 10:42, 21 March 2010 (EDT)
    • As someone who is very well versed in that show, Toph doesn't actually manipulates metal, she uses the earthen impurities inside the metal to control it. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 11:45, 21 March 2010 (EDT)
      • So Samuel could do the same?--Boycool42 14:25, 21 March 2010 (EDT)
        • Theoretically, if he's able to target and manipulate minute earth particles inside the metal, yes, he'd be able to do it. Toph could do it because she used Earthbending to see the world through vibrations, a seismic sense, so to speak. She was able to use that to pinpoint earth inside metal and use it to bend the non-earth part. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 14:32, 21 March 2010 (EDT)
          • Samuel doesn't seem to have to pinpoint earth to manipulate it, as evidenced when he levitated multiple rocks in Thanksgiving.--Boycool42 14:49, 21 March 2010 (EDT)
            • In this case, it's minute thing, probably much smaller than the dust he used against Sylar, and the mineral in the ink he used on Lydia. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 15:25, 21 March 2010 (EDT)