Talk:The Company's founders

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Date of the photo

Just making sure, but there was no date given to the photo, right? I've seen references ranging from 2006, 1990, or 1977. Their apparent ages imply that it is in the not-to-recent past, but being a production like it is, 1990 is a possibility. It would have to be before April 2006 (because of Arthur), but 1977 seems out of the question (since they showed it with a Takei-played Kaito in the same ep as Young Kaito, e.g. not retconned).--Tim Thomason 22:16, 28 November 2007 (EST)

  • Somewhere in the middle, I'd say. They used the "older" actors, but they seemed to make them all a bit younger. We really don't know a date, obviously, but if I had to guesstimate, I'd say it's probably somewhere in the '90s. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:32, 28 November 2007 (EST)
  • Has anyone noticed that in the photo, there is no angel statue on the right hand side of the circular statue thing, maybe this was a feature put in by Charles. I believe it was shown in the flashbacks with HRG, Kaito, Young Hiro and Baby Claire, so it must be before that. --Mc hammark 15:58, 6 May 2009 (EDT)

Adam Monroe

Perhaps we should add Adam to this page. Although he's not in the group of twelve, he was clearly the founder of the Company. -- LightSpectra 17:25, 15 December 2007 (EST)

  • He brought the founders together, but did not necessarily found the Company himself. To say so would be a little speculative. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:45, 15 December 2007 (EST)
    • So what exactly is Adam's part? In 1961, Angela, Bob, Charles and Daniel are the ones who form it, but what part does he play?--The Empath 17:46, 14 April 2009 (EDT)

Founder ≠ Evolved

Even though many of the Company's founders have abilities (Bob, Harry Fletcher, Paula Gramble, Linderman, Maury), being a founder does not necessarily equal being an evolved human in the way that being on the list does. It is likely that Charles, Kaito, Angela, and Mr. Petrelli all have abilities, but none of that has ever been confirmed. That still leaves Carlos Mendez, Victoria Pratt, and the blonde lady. We should really be careful about not making that leap. See here for a further discussion. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 11:26, 11 February 2008 (EST)


The unnamed female

Her name appears to be Susan.--Gonzalo84 16:15, 13 April 2008 (EDT)

  • It looks like it starts with an S and has an A, but it also looks like there's a Z. Here are some high def screenshots. Ultimately, it's too hard to figure out, so we're not putting anything definite about it. The discussion should be continued at this link. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 18:33, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
    • Issue 4 of Heroes: The Official Magazine contains a list on Page 77 of the founders, including a "Susan Ammaw", just to let everyone know.--Heroes360 15:39, 30 May 2008 (EDT)
      • Who wrote the article? -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:41, 30 May 2008 (EDT)
        • It definetely looks like Suzanne Amman picture. The N in Amman looks just like in Image:Group of 12 postitnotes.jpg, but I would like to read the article just in case. Where can I find the mag?
          • The issue in question is not whether or not we can read the Post-It note--it's already been discussed that it's inconclusive. The issue in question is whether we or not we go with what it says in the Heroes: The Official Magazine. There has been talk before about that publication not being a canon source. If it's a writer who is quoting one of the creatives associated with the production of the show, then great. If it's just a writer who is listing what he thinks is the name, then no, we don't use the name. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 18:46, 30 May 2008 (EDT)
            • I agree; we need to know who wrote the article and maybe also the source used for the article. Heroes: The Official Magazine is one of several magazines produced by Titan Magazine...it's not written by the creators of Heroes.--MiamiVolts (talk) 19:06, 30 May 2008 (EDT)
              • I asked and it was answered [1]. I'm just stating this here so you all know where I'm coming from. "Is her name Susan Ammaw?" "I believe it’s Amman. And yes. Amman." <-- So it's Susan Amman. Whoever wrote the mag probably got the most popular name which was Susan Ammaw. Problem solved now? - Cael 21:26, 30 September 2008 (EDT)
                • Good spot! I've been waiting for this to come out, and it was looking to me like there wouldn't be one.--MiamiVolts (talk) 22:32, 30 September 2008 (EDT)

Suzanne's page

Can an administrator please undelete this and move it to Suzanne Amman? I believe the article was deleted several times, then frozen by an administrator so that people would stop recreating it.--MiamiVolts (talk) 22:41, 30 September 2008 (EDT)

  • Done. (Admin 22:45, 30 September 2008 (EDT))
    • Thanks. I think it should be changed back to Suzanne, or her first name removed altogether. The full name appears to be how it's written to me. The writers only confirmed her last name. It was asked whether her full name was Susan Ammaw, and they replied, "I believe it's Amman. And yes. Amman." That isn't a confirmation of her first name.--MiamiVolts (talk) 23:47, 30 September 2008 (EDT)

The Twelve Apostles

They have a resemblance to the twelve apostles. They were brought by one single man who wished to change the world, and both had amazing abilities, albeit the two had different views for the humanity's destiny (Manwithnoname 08:22, 5 October 2008 (EDT))

  • ...One immortal man! -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 09:03, 5 October 2008 (EDT)
  • Jesus Christ... an evolved human? why not? i think i'm going to put that in the trivia.--Manwithnoname 07:24, 17 October 2008 (EDT)

Still alive?

CBR

“Also, you mentioned Isaac's father last week as another company founder. Was he off'd by Adam during his rampage, or was he in on it as Maury was?”

I don’t believe he is on the list of the deceased. I believe there were a couple people left on Adam’s list that he didn’t get to. Stevehim 09:03, 14 October 2008 (EDT)

  • I'm only going from memory, but given this new info, I believe it's (including Adam):
    Known Alive: Carlos Mendez, Adam Monroe (Takezo Kensei / Richard Sanders), Maury Parkman, Angela Petrelli, Arthur "Dallas" Petrelli
    Known Dead: Robert "Bob" Bishop, Charles Deveaux, (Mr.) Daniel "Austin" Linderman, Kaito Nakamura, Victoria Pratt
    Unknown: Susan Amman, Harry Fletcher, Paula Gramble -- prander 10:26, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
  • They didn't sound too sure. The photo says they're deceased so we should go with that until we know otherwise. I think they forgot who was marked as deceased on the photo and who wasn't. (Admin 10:32, 14 October 2008 (EDT))
    • That's a good point, I agree. There's enough doubt in my mind.
      Besides, didn't Matt, on the show, say something about them being dead (going from memory)? So until we get some 'on the show' confirmation, the show trumps the writers, anyway. -- prander 11:46, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
      • One thing that stands out in my mind is in Four Months Later... when Kaito tells Angela regarding the founders "now there are 9", but later in Cautionary Tales Matt mentions that they're all dead except for Bob, Angela, Maury, and Victoria Pratt. So did Adam kill the rest of them in the time between the two episodes? Clay wise 17:12, 16 April 2009 (EDT)
        • Isn't it possible that Kaito didn't know who was alive and who was dead? Or perhaps he was talking about people who had been attacked by Adam. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:26, 16 April 2009 (EDT)

Drucker

I feel that his close association with Charles and his split-up being so close to the beginning of the Shanti virus' investigation, Adam's incarceration, Primatech's founding and Linderman's acquisition of the Kensei sword that he should at least be mentioned on the page. Therequiembellishere 15:44, 19 October 2008 (EDT)

Left alive

You cant help but wonder since angela is the last one alive, how long will it be for?--345tom 13:12, 14 December 2008 (EST)

  • Eh, it's Angela. She seems the sort who'll stay alive out of pure spite. --AmbroBaby 07:05, 31 January 2009 (EST)
    • I hope AmbroBaby is right, though no one is ever 100% safe in Heroes.--MiamiVolts (talk) 00:15, 1 February 2009 (EST)
  • She'll be hard to kill, seeing as she can see what's coming --Jenx222 18:37, 16 April 2009 (EDT)

Maury

He joined in 1978. But it is recorded that the company was founded by 12 individuals in 1978. Could this mean Adam is one of the twelve?--Blood69 05:07, 30 March 2010 (EDT)

  • It was hinted at in Generations. "There were twelve of us with a common goal. Adam brought us together..." something like that. It's very likely.--BOYCOOL -- THE END IS NIGH. 07:46, 30 March 2010 (EDT)
    • I'm not sure that you can replace someone as a founder. It seems more like...buying the co-founders share in a company. So, when Adam got imprisoned, he left his position up for sale.--BOYCOOL -- THE END IS NIGH. 07:24, 31 March 2010 (EDT)