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Healing?

I'd be careful about saying Alejandro "healed" himself and Maya. He made the tears go away, but there's no reason to believe that either of them was actually harmed by her power.--Hardvice (talk) 20:19, 4 October 2007 (EDT)

  • I've been seeing that a lot of places, and I agree. Maya seems distressed by her eye gunk, but never sick or dying...and something tells me Dania's terrific acting is motivated more by the thought of killing innocents and less by the blackness inside her. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:23, 4 October 2007 (EDT)
    • I have a possible name for his ability. Viral Healing? Disease Absorbtion? Viral Absorbtion? Jason Garrick 22:14, 9 October 2007 (EDT)
      • We don't know enough about the powers. We don't know it's viral, we don't know it's a disease, etc. I'm sure we'll learn more about it, they ARE going to see Suresh.--Riddler 22:15, 9 October 2007 (EDT)
        • Forgive my speculation, however, it does not appear that Alejandro heals Maya’s victims, it appears that with concentration Alejandro can take Maya’s "eye gunk" and create anti-bodies that removes the sickness from the people in the surrounding area --Matthew 18:17, 24 October 2007 (EDT)

Maybe we can call it....

  • In hindsight, I think "Poison supression" would actually be a decent name for this power, which will work it up one step on the "naming policy" chart. It took Maya's power getting a real name for this one to have one that would make sense, though. --Ted C 09:19, 10 October 2008 (EDT)
  • "supression"? After all, that's what's he doing: Suppressing Maya's power from working. Or, too be less speculative, "Maya's ability suppresion". --Hero!(talk)(contribs) 11:37, 31 October 2007 (EDT)
  • Bump. --Hero!(talk)(contribs) 23:51, 31 October 2007 (EDT)
  • It's easier just to call it "Alejandro's ability" for now, until we get further details. It's never indicated that supressing is what he does; he seems to be both immune to Maya's ability and able to absorb it into himself somehow. That's not supression. The name is fine as is for now. -- Paronine 23:54, October 31 2007 (EDT)
  • I think instead of 'Maya's ability suppression' we should go for 'mayasuppressokinesis'. Sounds cooler. :)--Yamawhata? 20:46, 6 December 2007 (EST)
    • Oh yeah, that one sounds swell :gag: LOL. Random guy 20:52, 6 December 2007 (EST)

In light of recent events...

Namely Alejandro dying, I doubt we are going to see many more examples of this ability. Should we consider actually naming it, or just stick with "Alejandro's ability"? -- Lulu (talk)

  • I'd stick with Alejandro's ability for now.--MiamiVolts (talk) 00:43, 27 November 2007 (EST)
    • Agree. We haven't named it because we don't know enough about how it works or what it would be called. If it doesn't show up again, we won't know anything more. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 01:07, 27 November 2007 (EST)
      • Although, hasn't Maya learned to use "Alejandro's ability" per "Truth & Consequences"? PaulP 13:22, 29 November 2007 (EST)

An evolutionary human ability?

I think we should question if Alejandro actually has an ability in light of the recent episode. It appears to me that she just has the ability to calm down his sister, but she later learned how to control her own emotions. --Pinkkeith 10:14, 27 November 2007 (EST)

  • Although that could be an option, I think the combined facts that a/Even when not actively calming Maya, Alejandro is apparently immune to the effect, and b/When he does calm her, he seems to absorb the tears into himself (they appear in his eyes as they vanish from hers, before vanishing entirely), both indicate that he was indeed doing something besides simply calming her. --Maelwys 11:08, 27 November 2007 (EST)
    • Agreed. If anything, Maya's ability to stop her power herself opens the possibility that they both had the same power, but each only really understood half of it. But since Alejandro is immune, he has some sort of power, even if it's just the power to be immune to his sister's power.--Hardvice (talk) 13:38, 27 November 2007 (EST)
      • Even if she was somehow being uncounsciously triggered to undo the effects, and it only appeared to be him undoing it; he still has the power. Why? Because in each case, everyone but him turned black when the plague was emitted, then only at curing time did he turn black then back to clear. If he were powerless, he would have followed the same progression as everyone else did, and as Sylar did when she reversed it on him. Alejandro was different and unique, and did have the power to counteract her power. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 11/29/2007 13:44 (EST)

Alejandro's anti-plague ability

  • Perhaps we could call it "Plague negation", to link with Plague excretion?--  Lost Soul   talk  contribs  16:17, 29 November 2007 (EST)
  • I prefer plague exorcism, but that's probably way more speculative. --DocM 16:18, 29 November 2007 (EST)
    • I prefer "plague eradication", as that's what you normally say when you are trying to get rid of a plague. "Negation" isn't very specific, and is normally used as a logic/math term. There's also "plague abolition", but "abolition" is normally connotated as with the legal system.--MiamiVolts (talk) 16:39, 29 November 2007 (EST)
    • Same here, Volty. --Hero!(talk)(contribs) 17:57, 29 November 2007 (EST)
    • How about "invisible Kleenex" or "anastasiakinesis"?--E rowe (talk) 17:45, 29 November 2007 (EST)
      • lol @ "anastasiakinesis". I wonder how many people are picturing the cartoon about the tsarina?--Hardvice (talk) 18:17, 29 November 2007 (EST)
        • That's exactly what I thought of. LOL.--MiamiVolts (talk) 18:42, 29 November 2007 (EST)
          • Plauge Supression seems reasonable, doesn't it? --Piemanmoo 19:59, 29 November 2007 (EST)
          • I second the name Plague Supression.--The Empath 20:11, 29 November 2007 (EST)
            • He's not suppressing the plague (despite what I said above), he's eliminating it. --Hero!(talk)(contribs) 20:17, 29 November 2007 (EST)
              • To me, Alejandro appears to absorb the plague (his eyes turn black) and eradicate or destroy or whatever with his own body while it is inside of him (he gasps a lot and becomes exhausted).--Ice Vision 20:29, 29 November 2007 (EST)
                • Right, Alejandro absorbs it and eradicates it. The end result is the eradication.--MiamiVolts (talk) 14:43, 30 November 2007 (EST)
  • I don't think we have any canon, near-canon, or secondary sources for this power. There's also no common name, and no descriptive name that doesn't involve speculation. I think we're stuck with "Alejandro's ability"...until we hear somebody say something like "I miss him, he would suppress my ability" or "Remember that Alejandro guy? He sure was good at eliminating Maya's plague." Until then, this power name stands rooted firmly in Level 6 of our power naming conventions. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:42, 29 November 2007 (EST)
    • I disagree. We know for sure that he has an ability and that it works in conjuction with Maya's. We don't need to know whether or not his ability works only in conjunction with Maya in order to give it a descriptive name. Even if his ability was only to calm Maya down, he was still eradicating the plague. That is not speculation, we've seen that, and we can note our questions about whether the plague is a seperate entity or only part of Maya's ability under Limits. We can name this power now cause we have canon info. for Maya's ability's name as "plague emission".--MiamiVolts (talk) 14:43, 30 November 2007 (EST)
  • No more plague! It's "poison" now, apparently. --Thrashmeister 21:40, 4 December 2007 (EST)
  • Seriously, I don't care if we call it "poison negation," "poison exorcism," "poison suppression" or "flying pigs in a barrel that prevent poison from killing people." Just give it SOMETHING besides Alejandro's ability. LightSpectra 15:38, 13 December 2007 (EST)
    • What non-speculative name would you suggest? -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:54, 13 December 2007 (EST)
      • I had suggested "antidote emission", but I guess that's speculative due to the lack of response. How about "poison immunity", cause Alejandro is never affected by Maya's ability?--MiamiVolts (talk) 16:10, 13 December 2007 (EST)
        • That works for the aspect of his ability that keeps him from being affected. But there's strong evidence that he also causes the poison to leave Maya's victims, and that name doesn't cover that aspect at all. In the end, since we really don't know exactly what Alejandro's ability is capable of (Is it just that he's immune? Does he actually cause the victims to have the poison leave them or not?), it's nearly impossible to find a name that covers all aspects of the power without being speculative. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:14, 13 December 2007 (EST)
          • Why can't "poison immunity" apply to other people the same way "flight" applied to Nathan and West? We don't know whether Nathan or West can cause other people to fly, but that doesn't stop us from saying that their power is "flight". We could just say in the description/limits section of "poison immunity" that it is unknown as to whether Alejandro can spread his "immunity" to temporarily work on other people by touching them, or whether it is limited to himself. I don't really understand the problem you have with that name.--MiamiVolts (talk) 16:21, 13 December 2007 (EST)
            • There is no evidence that West and Nathan can make others fly--in fact there is strong evidence they cannot make others fly since they carry others. (However, "flight" would still work for the ability to make others fly.) There is strong evidence that Alejandro causes the poison to leave others or to be suppressed. If that's the case, then "poison immunity" would not cover that aspect of the ability. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:04, 13 December 2007 (EST)
              • I think you're splitting hairs, so to speak. If Nathan and West are carrying people through the air with them, isn't that technically "flying" them? Lets try a different and more relevant example. A vaccine can be used to offer someone temporary "immunity", so why can't Alejandro's ability be called "poison immunity"? There's no "self" implied.--MiamiVolts (talk) 17:16, 13 December 2007 (EST)
                • I see, so you're suggesting we apply the word "immunity" to making others immune to the poison. I have never heard of a "temporary immunity", and I wouldn't really feel comfortable saying that Nidia was immune to the poison, even temporarily (if that's possible at all). I suppose we have different definitions of "immunity". -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:21, 13 December 2007 (EST)
  • How about poison removal? --Hero!(talk)(contribs) 21:10, 13 December 2007 (EST)
    • Sounds just as good to me.--MiamiVolts (talk) 21:17, 13 December 2007 (EST)
  • What about naming the ability Panacea after the Greek goddess of cure? About how about naming Maya's power to Plague so that their powers would both be composed of only one word that start with a P.Edible8 01:25, 18 December 2007 (EST)
    • What about poison immunity? He appears immune to the disease and (speculation) immunizes people around him, curing them of Maya's disease long enough until Maya calms down?

Horrorman 8:35, 18 December 2007 MERRY CHRISTMAS

      • Exactly,. it's speculation. I think our best choice is Poison Removal. --Hero!(talk)(contribs) 11:06, 18 December 2007 (EST)

Is there really an ability?

As of "Truth and Consequences" we see that Maya is able to calm herself down. Perhaps all Alejandro could do was calm her down. He does seem to be immune to her "poison", but maybe he doesn't really have a power. I would reccomend keeping the article until we know for certain (which may be never), but perhaps this could go on the page, or theories page. ---- Ohmyn0.jpgOhmyn0talk.jpg 16:41, 29 November 2007 (EST)

  • I'm not sure if this was only from the spoilers, but I recall that it was stated that Alejandro has an ability and that Alejandro and Maya need each other's powers.--MiamiVolts (talk) 16:48, 29 November 2007 (EST)
    • When Maya calls down around Alejandro, the camera pans to their hands holding, and stays there for a significant amount of time. Also, when Alejandro negates Maya's ability, you can see that Alejandro's normal eyes turn black (as if the plague is being transferred from Maya to Alejandro), and the effects are gone. I think there are a lot of clues that say that this really is an ability.--Ice Vision 16:56, 29 November 2007 (EST)
    • Sylar guessed that both have powers in The Kindness of Strangers. In any case, his immunity is a power of sorts itself.--Hardvice (talk) 17:40, 29 November 2007 (EST)
  • I think Alejandro absorbs the poison then disperses an antidote in the air(i can't explain the resurrections)--Ionut


  • Yes, there is an ability because:
        • First thing Alejandro didn't die when Maya accidentally poisoned all the people in the wedding party.
        • Another is, everytime Alejandro calm Maya down, his eyes darken for a sec and then he felt weak like something is going into his body and then disappears, showing that the poison emitted is gone inside him.NiveKJ13 18:19, 24 October 2008 (EDT)


Alejandro having the same ability as Maya

It's entirely possible that Alejandro had the exact same ability as Maya as Maya retracts her ability in the same way as Alejandro neutralized hers. They were twins. Caravaggio 23:45, 3 December 2007 (EST)

  • I thought of that too, maybe they just learned at different ends of their ability spectrum... like if he were still alive what if he could give off a plague. And the whole holding each other's hands thing could have to do with the Ability Extension that we have an article on. But since we will never know for sure, i vote he has the ability of "Plague Eradication", or something along those lines--.Vault 17:51, 4 December 2007 (EST)
  • To reply on Caravaggio, I had the same though, and I have posted what I believe is true under the theories of Alejandro's powers.
    • Hopefully we'll see next volume, now that Sylar's back. If he is able to use the Illusion ability then there's no reason he shouldn't also be able to use Alejandro's ability (since he potentially acquired both while sick), so we'll have to see what he's able to do next volume. --Maelwys 13:20, 5 December 2007 (EST)
  • Perhaps though due to his inherent intuitive aptitude ability being inhibited, he may not have stolen the power properly, leaving the idea open that Sylar does not have those abilities.

Horrorman 14:03, 13 December 2007 (EST)

    • Yes... hence my 'if' clause. ;-) Since I'd expect them to demonstrate the Illusion power first, if we do see a demonstration of that it'll be safe to assume that he also has Alejandro's ability, so we can then keep an eye out for that was well. --Maelwys 14:29, 13 December 2007 (EST)
  • I think that this is how it should be put down - that Alejandro has the same ability as Maya. From the interview link posted elsewhere on this page:
OK, let's get serious again. Peter Dawson wants to know more about our Latin twins. "Well Maya is certainly a freaky one! Should we be viewing Maya and Alejandro as having each gotten half of a power due to being twins or did they just somehow luck out by being born with powers to balance each other out? And can you give us some idea of what their power actually is?"
The twin theory seems to fit the bill. And we can certainly give you some idea as to what their power is. Lets, see. The easiest way is to step it out. How bout we do it in weekly installments. What are you doing, I dunno, Mondays at 9?
The fact that he says the twin theory (that they both got half of a single power) is valid and that he confirms that it is their power (note power is singular, indicating that it is one power shared by both, emphasis mine) seems to me strong evidence that Alejandro's ability and Maya's ability are one and the same, and would fit under the third tier of the naming prodcedure. --5of0 13:08, 27 December 2007 (EST)
  • That's actually a quite compelling argument. You have me convinced. ;) --Hero!(talk)(contribs) 13:12, 27 December 2007 (EST)
  • Two halves of a single thing does not mean that the two halves are identical. If one is the poison and the other is the antidote, then the two halves certainly work together and are complimentary and would still fit with the "twin theory", but the two parts are separate entities and are not the same. Further, we've seen Alejandro get emotional, and he has never once poisoned anybody. Maya has done so--numerous times. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:03, 27 December 2007 (EST)
    • I agree with Ryan. The twin thing is a "good-evil" thing. Poison and antidote. --Ice Vision (talk) 21:24, 27 December 2007 (EST)
      • I agree as well. Too bad we can't agree to call this ability 'antidote emission' as I suggested before.--MiamiVolts (talk) 21:33, 27 December 2007 (EST)
    • I see how the two halves thing could work - but I was thinking about this some more today, and looking just at the facts and a point of general consensus on Alejandro's power:
      • Maya can poison people
      • Alejandro can reverse the effect
        • This reversal is indeed a "power" and not just calming down - his eyes turning black, his being immune, etc
      • Maya can now reverse the effect
    Depending on how you construe the power(s), the facts mean different things.
    Option 1: Single power, manifested differently in each twin
    If you go with the single power, manifested differently theory, it works without any extra steps - we've seen plenty of instances (Matt, Peter, Elle, Hiro...) of the heroes discovering new facets of their powers as time goes on, occasionally with help from other heroes (Peter and Claude, Matt and his father). Maya's "discovering" the healing facet of her power, with Sylar's help (providing necessity, which often has brought out new facets of powers - see Matt, Peter), would fit with previous occurences perfectly.
    Option 2: Separate powers, complementary to each other
    If you go with the seperate but complementary powers, it's a bit more difficult as I see it - somehow, Maya "gained" Alejandro's ability. Now correct me if I'm wrong, but the only way that I know of that that could happen based on the show so far is if Maya was an empath - wouldn't that be a twist! Yes, there could possibly be other ways (being twins and all), but it hasn't been demonstrated as of yet. In the end, we won't know for sure unless Sylar a) doesn't kill Maya and b) uses Maya's half of the power.
    Maya's "real" or "primary" power?
    Another thing that is problematic to me with the complementary theory comes in naming Maya's power - no hero yet has had more than one power, unless that power is to somehow absorb other powers (Sylar's intuitive aptitude, Peter's empath). So if Maya has indeed absorbed another power (Alejandro's), she would have to have some other primary power, and the poison one would have to be secondary if we were going to be consistent (primary and secondary, btw, are my terms I just made up for original vs absorbed powers), and that would be the name of her power, and Alejandro's would still be Alejandro's Ability.
    Solutions?
    Any solutions to the problems I've outlined? Do I have a premise wrong, or am I interpreting the separate/complementary power theory incorrectly? I'm not opposed to them being separate, it would be a lot simpler that way, but I don't see a way around Maya "absorbing" another power, if they're seperate, and still having her power as her "primary" power.
    --5of0 03:46, 28 December 2007 (EST)
    • Well, now that's the whole point, isn't it? We really don't know enough about Alejandro's ability to name it anything other than "Alejandro's ability". Perhaps his power is simply that he can withstand Maya's ability, and the "reversal" part is actually just a natural calming influence he has on her (which Maya can now do by herself) and the "antidote" is not really a power at all. Or perhaps his power is that he can both withstand the poison and reverse its effects. In that case, Maya hasn't "absorbed" anything, she's just discovered that she and her brother have a similar facet of their complementary powers. It's really hard to say, isn't it? I'd like to give a more definite "yes, they're the same" or "no, they're completely different", but I can't. We simply don't know enough about Alejandro's power to say how it works, how exactly it fits in with Maya's power, or how we should name it. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 11:36, 28 December 2007 (EST)
      • Nice summary, Ryan, but you left out that you also think that limiting the name to only what is non-speculative (poison immunity) is incorrect.--MiamiVolts (talk) 13:52, 28 December 2007 (EST)
      • Okay, I'm good with just leaving it at "Alejandro's Ability," or possibly changing it to "Poison Immunity" but only with a note about his power being not fully known at this point or something. My main problem was renaming it to something that implies more about the power, one way or the other (which "Poison Immunity" still does to some extent, but the note would help rectify that). I still am of the opinion that they're the same, and skeptical of the "simply calming" theory. Alejandro's eyes darkening when he reverses the effect is telltale of that being a "power" to me; the overlapping powers I would be slightly more comfortable with, but it still feels contrived. But as you said, there isn't any definite evidence for either way yet, so my vote lies with it remaining as-is, probably until either a) They visit Suresh, b) Sylar uses Maya's ability while Maya is still alive (probably a longshot) or c) Tim Kring comes out and says "Oh by the way, Maya and Alejandro's abilities are _________" (not holding my breath). A sidenote that I forgot to mention, that isn't relevant at this point, but if they were the same, I like "Poision Manipulation" or something similar for a name, since the power would involve both poisoning others and reversing the effect. Or perhaps just give him Poison Emission too, as that now includes control of the emission, and would be easier ;) --5of0 14:00, 28 December 2007 (EST)
        • Of all the names you just mentioned there, the only two I object to are "Alejandro's ability", cause that's not really a name, and "poison emission", cause Alejandro hasn't been shown to emit any poison.--MiamiVolts (talk) 15:41, 28 December 2007 (EST)
          • "Poison manipulation" is misleading. It sounds like Alejandro can create different poisons and stuff. --Hero!(talk)(contribs) 16:21, 28 December 2007 (EST)
            • "Mental manipulation" is misleading too, but we use it. It makes it sound as if the Haitian can manipulate conscious thoughts, which isn't true; but it does cover both the power-blocking and memory aspects of his power. "Poison manipulation" can cover Alejandro's immunity and if he can extend it temporarily to others, that aspect of it as well.--MiamiVolts (talk) 16:32, 28 December 2007 (EST)
        • Miami, thank you for your suggestion, but I didn't leave anything out--I responded to 5of0's comment as I wished, and I don't think I need to say everything I believe about a particular subject in a response. But even if I did, I wouldn't have included your input because I don't "think that limiting the name to only what is non-speculative (poison immunity) is incorrect". I don't think that "poison immunity" is non-speculative. But I'm still not sure what that has to do with my response to 5of0. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:50, 28 December 2007 (EST)
          • Sorry, Ryan, but I thought that point is important in the reply, as it appeared to me 5of0 was trying to cover all the possible suggestions. And it looks like I misunderstood you before. Do you doubt now that Alejandro has an immunity to Maya's power? What I understood before was that you believed "poison immunity" too limiting.--MiamiVolts (talk) 17:04, 28 December 2007 (EST)
            • You're right, I think "poison immunity" is too limiting, and thus speculative to leave that as the name of his power since it implies that that's the only aspect of his power. I probably wasn't as clear as I could have been. Alejandro certainly has an immunity to the poison, so the term is not speculative, but I believe calling the entire power name "poison immunity" would be wrong. Just as calling Hiro's power "time travel" would be limiting, so would calling Alejandro's power "poision immunity". And because we don't know very much about Alejandro's power, I think it's also, in turn, speculative since it implies that that's all there is to it. We just don't know what to make of the reversal part. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 18:05, 28 December 2007 (EST)
              • Ah, what a little clarification does! I had read MiamiVolt's interpretation of your opinion as being that you were for "Poison immunity". Now that you've explained it, I am 100% with you on the poison immunity, which is why I wanted a note - I think it's too limiting, and implies that he doesn't have other power. Your analogy with Hiro is great. So in summary, until we have more evidence, we should just keep it like it is. --5of0 19:50, 28 December 2007 (EST)
            • ...and I'm sorry if I came off as a little harsh before, I probably misread your suggestion as being needling or provoking. My apologies if you didn't mean to be. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 18:07, 28 December 2007 (EST)
              • Thanks for clarifying and the apologies. I was just trying to point out something I thought was missed and where we still agree to disagree, and I was probably not as clear as I could have been either.--MiamiVolts (talk) 19:46, 28 December 2007 (EST)

Helpful words

  • I think Poison emission reversal would be a good name. Because he reverses the use of her powers and stops them. Then he can reverse the poison that is sent into other people. Other words could be : interception, nullification, cancellation etcJason Garrick 16:14, 5 December 2007 (EST)
    • Well I think the only real power Alejandro has is a immunity to his sister's power. Am I alone on this one? Random guy 21:34, 5 December 2007 (EST)
      • He has the power of decomposition, now. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:46, 5 December 2007 (EST)
        • ^That took me a while to get, in my head I was saying to myself "What is he talking about?" and then I remembered "Oh yeah, He's dead! LOL!" nice one Ryan. Random guy 21:48, 5 December 2007 (EST)

Antidote emission

I am hoping that by the time Peter goes back in time in volume 3 and absorbs Alejandro's power (my wishful thinking at work ;)), it will actually have a name. That being said, I'd like to suggest "antidote emission" as the name for Alejandro's ability. In order to cure a poison, you have to develop an "antidote", and for all intents and purposes, Alejandro's ability was to be the antidote to Maya's poisoning. Whether or not the antidote cured anyone except for himself is a side issue, and wording it this way would not limit it to only being the antidote for himself without being speculative. The fact remains that sight-unseen to Maya, Alejandro was the only person at the wedding reception who lived and was unaffected by her power.--MiamiVolts (talk) 22:30, 5 December 2007 (EST)

  • I think I favor this name. I'm still waiting for an interview or an episode to give us a name... Grr... --Ice Vision (talk) 17:05, 28 December 2007 (EST)

Grammar

  • "Intents and purposes", not "intensive purposes". Congratulations on discovering my Kryptonite.--Hardvice (talk) 01:30, 6 December 2007 (EST)
    • Ah, yes, good catch. It should indeed read "intents and purposes".--MiamiVolts (talk) 02:03, 6 December 2007 (EST)
      • I prefer "intensive purposes"--it just sounds more write. :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 09:22, 6 December 2007 (EST)
        • I do apologize for sounding like such a jerk about this one, but it is seriously my number one pet peeve (so bad I do not even mention it along with the others, because then people will poke me with it). I am completely irrational about it. I've learned to just walk away from the Internet when I see it, which is in everyone's best interest, trust me.--Hardvice (talk) 23:24, 11 December 2007 (EST)
          • Sorry, I didn't mean to upset you. Thanks, though, for catching it; it wasn't intentional.--MiamiVolts (talk) 23:41, 11 December 2007 (EST)
            • Golly, I wonder what would happen if I ate a potatoe? -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:54, 12 December 2007 (EST)
              • Spelling usually doesn't bother me as much (but see this). I'm weird like that.--Hardvice (talk) 01:03, 12 December 2007 (EST)
                • The problem is so many times people aren't corrected so they keep on mangling the expression. Most people stop after the first time they're corrected because they're embarassed and don't want to keep making the mistake. It's just a nice french benefit. (Admin 01:11, 12 December 2007 (EST))
                  • Right. But my response is usually inappropriate. For example, I famously once got up and left during a (blind) date because of "intensive purposes". I just said "yeah, this isn't going to work", threw down some cash, and left.--Hardvice (talk) 01:27, 12 December 2007 (EST)

It is not an ability

He only seems to be able to make Maya calm down and reverse the effect their is no suggestion that he really has a poison negation ability because Maya in Powerless reversed the effect with the same eyes like Alejandro. horrorman 20:47, 11 December 2007 (EST)

  1. Alejandro is immune by Maya's power. During Alejandro's wedding reception, pretty much everybody is killed by Maya's power, except Alejandro. He is the only one who remains standing. Does that not say that he has a power?
  2. Even if you say that Alejandro has an "immunity, but not a power", his eyes notably turn black when he touches Maya's hand and absorbs the poison/plague.

Alejandro has a power (stated by Sylar and confirmed by the writers).--Ice Vision 17:34, 10 December 2007 (EST)

  • Perhaps Alejandro when he touches Maya causes him to become briefly affected to the plague Maya emits but being a blood relative (like Mohinder and Shanti), his blood may have resistance to the plague so his eyes glow briefly but disapear when Maya calms down. horrorman 12:35, 12 December 2007 (EST)
    • Not exactly. You're comparing apples and oranges. Mohinder's immunity was to a virus, not a power. Shanti's power was not the "Shanti virus" -- that's just a virus that Shanti got. Alejandro's immunity, however, is to a power, not a virus. Thanks to his ability, Alejandro is unaffected by Maya's power and is able to reverse its effects. Also, as I have stated before, the writers have already confirmed that Alejandro does indeed have an ability. I don't think there is anything else to say about this topic.--Ice Vision 13:51, 12 December 2007 (EST)
      • Also however how do we not know that Shanti's ability is to create the virus? There may be no evidence yet to support this, but there is none to deny it, she had an ability (as far as we know). Also perhaps Alejandro's ability was a sort of advanced immunity excretion to viruses like a passive ability such as Claire's regeneration. When perhaps he touches Maya he calms Maya down so she can re-absorb the virus, but then Alejandro's ability takes effect, and gives the people infected immunity from the virus, saving them. --Horrorman 19:15, 15 December 2007 (EST)
        • You're right. It is possible that Shanti's ability is to create the virus. However, when Mohinder's mother describes how Chandra felt about Shanti -- "From the moment she was born, he was convinced that she was special. And she was special." (Seven Minutes to Midnight) -- she uses a tone that implies that Shanti had a beneficial ability. It wouldn't make sense for Shanti to be "special" if she can create a virus that causes her own death. That's just my opinion, though. Also, you're saying that Alejandro does have an ability, which is what I've been trying to say.--Ice Vision 19:37, 15 December 2007 (EST)

Ok I concede he has an ability, but it must be passive. Anyway about Shanti, just because her mother described her as special does not mean that the ability was meant to be beneficial, perhaps she was speaking from a memorial sense that her death made her special, in helping Mohinder find his destiny. Her ability may very well be the virus, and Mohinder's ability like Alejandro's (speculation) is a immunity excretion except Mohinder accesses it through transfusions (perhaps he doesn't know how to use his gift yet). Also Shanti's mother may have the typical parental belief that their children will do good, when we know that is not always the case.

Horrorman 22:09, 15 December 2007 (EST)

Vaccine Emission

could this be a good name? i mean he produces vaccine that counter acts his sister's Poison Emission in her and in other's instead of reversing it he vaccinates it .

Poison Immunity and Reversal

Could this be a good name? I don't think it is bad to use the word "and". And it accurately describes the power. He is immune to MAya and he can reverse her ability. Jason Garrick 23:15, 27 December 2007 (EST)

  • That's just it, though, the administrators are not certain that he can reverse her ability or else we'd have a name already. I think I'd be willing to go with the dreaded "poison manipulation" now, but I don't see the name for this ability changing anytime soon.--MiamiVolts (talk) 23:25, 27 December 2007 (EST)

Consensus check

OK, so we have a ton of name suggestions now, so I'm starting a vote. --Hero!(talk)(contribs) 16:48, 28 December 2007 (EST)

Keep it "Alejandro's ability"

  • Second choice. --Hero!(talk)(contribs) 16:48, 28 December 2007 (EST)
  • Anything else would be too speculative. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 12:32, 29 December 2007 (EST)
  • If poison manipulation doesn't work. -- Horrorman 14:20, 29 December 2007 (EST)
  • --Ice Vision (talk) 18:38, 29 December 2007 (EST)
  • What Ryan said. Just not enough information to change it. ANy of the others is a fine name, but may or may not describe his actual ability. Is it restricted to Maya's ability? Can he affect other "poisons"? Can he affect diseases? Was his ability just immunity coupled with a non-superhuman ability to calm his sister? We don't know, and shouldn't guess.--Hardvice (talk) 14:14, 1 January 2008 (EST)
  • My second choice, too. --Ted C 14:03, 4 January 2008 (EST)
  • We don't know for sure how it does work. Let's wait. -- Frenchflo.gif (talk) 18:10, 22 January 2008 (EST)
    • I don't think we can wait anymore. Alejandro's dead, and seems like Maya is also going to be.--NiveKJ13 (talk) 18:22, 24 October 2008 (EDT)
  • I agree with RGS, all of the other options are speculations. --Pinkkeith 10:02, 10 October 2008 (EDT)

Poison eradication

Poison absorption - For what it's worth, I liked this one. Not that it matters, you've all seem to make your choice on keep that boring name "Alejandro's ability"! Why don't we just name Meredith's ability "Meredith's ability" and Eric's ability "Eric's ability"(?) They're all wonderfully imaginitive(!!)--Isaac Mendez 15:04, 5 November 2009 (EST)

Poison immunity

Poison manipulation

  • Best describes it Horrorman 8:48, December 29 2007
  • This is my first choice. --LeoChris 16:29, 30 December 2007 (EST)

Poison removal

  • This is my first choice. --Hero!(talk)(contribs) 16:48, 28 December 2007 (EST)
  • My first choice as well. --The Empath 16:13, 29 December 2007 (EST)
  • Second choice. --LeoChris 16:29, 30 December 2007 (EST)
  • First choice. Guessing that it can do anything else is speculation, but we know for a fact that this is its primary function. --LightSpectra 18:31, 2 January 2008 (EST)
  • The least speculative, in my opinion. --Piemanmoo 18:04, 22 January 2008 (EST)

Poison Immunity and Reversal

  • Exactly describes it. Jason Garrick 15:30, 29 December 2007 (EST)

Poison Negation

  • Just adding a little fuel to the fire, I suppose. He basically negated Maya's power, which has been named Poison Emission. --Ted C 14:03, 4 January 2008 (EST)
  • Discussion long over, but this is the best. Ace ofspade 18:57, 5 March 2008 (EST)
  • Sounds the most accurate to me. NuparuMahnika

Poison Emission Counteraction I think Alejandro's ability should be renamed Poison emission counteraction. I know it's long, but it explains exactly what it is, the ability to counteract his sister's ability! - Anonymousheroine

  • I second this actually. Jason Garrick 17:47, 23 July 2008 (EDT)
    • This consensus check is a bit...old. Anyway, Skywalkerrbf will be conducting an interview with Shalim Ortiz, and someone submitted a question asking him to name his character's ability. Let's just wait and see if he has an answer.--Referos 18:04, 23 July 2008 (EDT)
      • Yerp I was just about to say that, I thought asking him to name it would help this disscussion. --Skywalkerrbf 18:15, 23 July 2008 (EDT)

Stop the vote

  • Since when are you allowed to start a vote? I think we should wait for administrator. Jason Garrick 17:06, 28 December 2007 (EST)
    • Anyone can call for a consensus check, but I doubt it's going to matter cause the administrators appear set against renaming the ability for now.--MiamiVolts (talk) 17:09, 28 December 2007 (EST)
      • I should point out that this is not a vote on the name. As MiamiVolts correctly points out, this is a check to see if there is consensus on a single name (which there doesn't appear to be right now). This may seem like the same thing, but there are some differences between a vote and a consensus check. If everybody voted to call this power "poopy pants", it wouldn't fly, even if that name got the most votes. Therefore, we check for consensus. A majority does not always mean that name will be used, it just determines whether or not most people agree or disagree with a name. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:23, 31 December 2007 (EST)

Remove rename

  • This has been up for rename since around Christmas. There's no consensus, no new evidence, and lately no discussion. I'm going to remove the rename for now. If we get a better understanding of how his ability worked (via flashback, or if Sylar somehow turns out to have absorbed it), then we can try again.--Hardvice (talk) 04:28, 8 February 2008 (EST)
    • Good call. I forgot this was even still up for a vote. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 09:04, 8 February 2008 (EST)

rename

hey guys we don't have name for alejandro's ability , it would good if we had name for this interesting ability , from the show Poison eradication or poison absorbtion would be a good name , since this guy ded lets name the ability and we can rename if more of his ability is explained further, sounds like a good idea? --Zoga78 19:33, 18 April 2008 (EDT)

  • There isn't consensus for the ability name so it remains unnamed. CBR is starting up again, and this would be a good question to ask.--MiamiVolts (talk) 19:38, 18 April 2008 (EDT)

maybe his ability should be called VACCINE EMISSION.

  • If Alejandro's power was a vaccine, it would give a permanent immunity besides healing Maya's poison. This is not the case, as Sylar was affected multiple times by her ability, even after being "vaccinated" by Alejandro.--Referos 19:50, 4 August 2008 (EDT)

I was wondering if anyone read the interview about the guy who played Alejandro that the name should involve something along the lines of neutralizer so POISON NEUTRALIZER would be the best choice. --Horrorman 11:56, 30 September 2008 (EDT)

An Attempt to EOA

Although there have been people involved in the production of the series saying outside the series that Alejandro had an ability, there is no evidence to suggest that inside the series itself. There is only circumstantial evidence. Alejandro's 'power' was that he and Maya shared an unconditional love. He was immune to her power because unconsciously she willed him immune. He was no more or less powerful than Ando or Noah is. In fact, he was essentially Maya's 'training wheels' and by the time Sylar killed him, she had enough self-confidence to control her ability herself. When season two is reviewed with this in mind, it's like watching the series anew, and the dynamic between Maya and Alejandro becomes much more interesting than before. It is my recommendation that pertinent information from this page be absorbed into the page describing Alejandro, and this page's URL redirect to the main character page for Alejandro, because he never really had an "ability" or "power" that warrants this page's existence. - ZachsMind 20:33, 30 September 2008 (EDT)

  • Shalim Ortiz, the actor who portrays Alejandro, said in an interview that maybe Alejandro didn't have a "full power", but only some sort of genetic alteration that interacted with, and only with, Maya's ability. In any case, we don't know if Maya can choose whom she will affect, so it's speculative to say that she was "sparing" Alejandro.--Referos 20:49, 30 September 2008 (EDT)

I think the perfect name is "Poison Emission Alternation/ Reversion/ Conversion/ Confliction" ( / means "or")

  • Alejandro is already dead, I don't think the writers is gonna have to come back to the past just to tell the name... NiveKJ13 11:15, 8 November 2008 (EST)

-since he can alternate Poison Emission, which is Maya's ability, then this would be the perfect name for it. and its what the definition overall tells...NiveKJ13 11:15, 8 November 2008 (EST)

and by the way, if you're gonna tell me "thats what people voted for", well, a lot of people voted for 'Puppet master' to be 'puppet mastery', but still you didn't follow the crowd... NiveKJ13
  • I don't know what name you're nominating for consideration or what name you think is the "perfect" name for it. I also don't think any of those names address both aspects of Alejandro's ability: his immunity from the Maya's poison, and his ability to reverse Maya's tears. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 11:46, 8 November 2008 (EST)
  • Just giving ideas, coz "Alejandro's Ability is not too much of a name. how bout Poison Emission Immunity and Reversion...too long but suits the ability...NiveKJ13
    • I'd rather not get into another name debate about this ability... but how about poison manipulation or poison emission manipulation? Just my two cents. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 12:11, 8 November 2008 (EST)
      • "Manipulation" means he controls it, but he doesn't, he just reverses it...NiveKJ13 12:14, 8 November 2008 (EST)
        • No, he doesn't just reverse it. He has an immunity to it and he allows Maya to control her ability. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 12:19, 8 November 2008 (EST)
          • He reverses eveything Maya does. If its manipulation, then he'll be controlling the poison emitted, like who to emit it to, just like "laser emission". So I think, it should be "Poison emission immunity and reversion", its long, but I think its the shortest if we wanna describe his ability as a whole.NiveKJ13 12:25, 8 November 2008 (EST)
            • The most accurate name I can think of is poison dispersion, but that doesn't cover his immunity to poison emission effects. PNullification, he nullifies the effects both in others and in himself? PNeutralization, making the poison harmless? PNegation, same as the two before? I'm out of ideas. Intuitive Empath 14:07, 8 November 2008 (EST)
              • Yeah, I think we all are...which is why the name of the ability is still "Alejandro's ability". I don't think it'll be changing. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:05, 8 November 2008 (EST)
                • Does the immunity part have to reflected in the ability's name ? Lots of people are immune to their own abilities and it isn't noted. Of course, it is their own, and Alejandro's ability is complex but isn't that what the description of the ability, in the article, is for ? I mean ... one could argue Daphne is immune to Hiro's ability. Should that be reflected in her ability's name ? Now, I know the name probably isn't going to change but I just felt like giving my opinion. --LeoChris 11:45, 9 November 2008 (EST)

"Poison emission immunity and reversion"

  • He reverses eveything Maya does. If its manipulation, then he'll be controlling the poison emitted, like who to emit it to, just like "laser emission". So I think, it should be "Poison emission immunity and reversion", its long, but I think its the shortest if we wanna describe his ability as a whole.NiveKJ13 12:25, 8 November 2008 (EST)
    • I transferred the note to get people's attention, so that we'll know if what they think...XD NiveKJ13 12:31, 8 November 2008 (EST)
      • In my opinion, that name doesn't follow our naming convention. A primary goal of naming articles is clarity and simplicity. I think ignore simplicity when we have a five-word tongue twister. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 13:10, 8 November 2008 (EST)