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Ability Naming Conventions
The following sources are used for determining evolved human ability names, in order:
1. Canon Sources Episodes
2. Near-canon Sources Webisodes,
Graphic Novels,
Heroes Evolutions
3. Secondary Sources Episode commentary,
Heroes: Survival
4. Common names for abilities Names from other works
5. Descriptions of abilities Descriptions
6. Possessor's name
If no non-speculative
description is possible

Note: The highlighted row represents the level of the source used to determine the name for Enhanced strength and senses.

Enhanced Senses

  • Mohinder does state this and Senses apply to touch also. Jason Garrick 21:45, 23 September 2008 (EDT)
    • Can you pin down the quote? I think that would be good to add to the article.--MiamiVolts (talk) 21:49, 23 September 2008 (EDT)
    • I don't think that's just it. enhanced senses do no make you climb walls--Elchafa 22:30, 20 October 2008 (EDT)
      • YEs they do, balance is actually a sense. And perhaps he can change his balance to walk on walls. Jason Garrick 18:49, 21 October 2008 (EDT)
  • I belive that his power is more like a kind of Enhanced Phisicality, because all of his phisical aspects have been increased, his strength, senses, agility and balance as different aspects of one power, like Knox who's power has diffrent uses. The adverse reactions have been cured meaning he is once more completely human as he was when he discovered his power. User:Halfbreed1426


Couldn't it just be Mohinder's ability, to go with Alejandro's ability? The "Suresh" seems a little superfluous, for lack of a better word. Psilaq Remake 15:36, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

  • Sounds like a good idea to me. --Ted C 17:43, 24 September 2008 (EDT)
    • That's how I made it. Someone must've changed it. --Riddler 17:55, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

On an amusing side note, I'm betting he's got Roach Powers. --Ted C 11:03, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

  • Did I call it? --Ted C 11:21, 7 October 2008 (EDT)
    • Guess you did :) -- Futurepeter 11:25, 7 October 2008 (EDT)
      • Looks like you were right, Ted. Should we call this cockroach mimicry?--MiamiVolts (talk) 16:36, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
        • Cockroaches can't produce web. I think it's spider mimicry.--Referos 17:32, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
        • Well can't we call it insect mimicry? It seems he uses the abilities of a lot of insects, i.e. an ants strength, spiders dislike of light, spider's web making and wall climbing abilities. Insect ability seems more fit.--Sylarversion2 10:14, 27 October 2008 (EDT)
          • I think the time transition sequence from Mohinder's "present" lab to his "future" lab is a dead giveaway. --Ted C 17:40, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
          • There was a Behind the Eclipse, don't remember which one right now (i think it's the last one or so), where they kind of said Mohinder's powers were actually something like Jeff Goldblum's "The Fly", so I don't think it's "spider-man", and if you give it some thought, it would really suck if they copied that... cause if they do, then what's next? A guy who's super strong, super fast, flies and is extremely allergic to a green rock...? wouldn't that really suck?--Elchafa 22:39, 20 October 20Ice

08 (EDT)

            • Peter could do all those things. Apparently his father is his kryptonite, though... ;-) --Maelwys 09:55, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
            • They said] they were inspired by The Fly, but they didn't say his ability is the same. (Admin 10:04, 23 October 2008 (EDT))
  • I'm wondering why "ability" was chosen over something more seemingly appropriate, like "mutation". We know it isn't an ability because Peter visited Mohinder in the future and never broke out in gross sores because of it, unless rapid cell regeneration prevents the adverse side-effects. Revengeance 04:24, 24 October 2008 (EDT)
    • Just because Peter is exposed to an ability doesn't mean he knows how to access it. In a recent episode, Peter had to ask future Sylar to help him learn Sylar's intuitive aptitude even though he had been exposed to it on multiple occasions. That said, Peter may never gain access to Mohinder's ability or may have begun using it and not known he had (Mohinder didn't notice the adverse side-effects until the next day). Arthur had transfered Peter's abilities to himself before the next day occurred for Peter, so Peter never got the chance to develop Mohinder's problems. That said, it will be interesting to see what Arthur can tap into; Mohinder's ability could be one of the abilities he took from Peter.--MiamiVolts (talk) 05:08, 24 October 2008 (EDT)
      • Good point about intuitive aptitude. The mutation may be triggered in the same way as "the hunger". When the ability is used, that is. Revengeance 05:44, 24 October 2008 (EDT)
  • Maybe it should be called "Enhanced Physiology" as I think his ability is similar to the abilities that Peter Parker gained yo become Spiderman: better physical condition,enhanced strength, and other super abilities.And all the powers that Mohinder gained have to do with physical changes mostly.--Vester 01:59, 3 Februrary 2009 (EDT)

Using Bricks

I watched the episode again, and I'm not entirely sure about this note. I saw his hands flat on the wall at points, I think the cracks may just be coincidental. Maybe it should be noted that it's possible, yet unclear?--Riddler 01:16, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

  • Someone kept adding that, and I kept reverting it. He/she must have done it again and I didn't catch it because it was patrolled. I reverted it, because it's completely speculative. You're correct.--Bob (talk) 02:10, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

The Sticky Stuff

What the hell was he using to pin those people to the wall? Webbing? Phlegm? Whatever it was, it sure made me think of Aliens. --PeterDawson 02:03, 14 October 2008 (EDT)

  • I'm not sure about this, but the thing I was thinking is that he got the formulla perfectly right ! To me it looks more like that his powers are coming to him in parts. First the super strength and stuff, then the scale-like things, and now the sticky stuff. To me it looks like that his ability is something bug-like, and apparently his power is also changing his appearance. It would indeed be interesting that with certain abilities also comes a change in appearance...--Baby Yoda 13:12, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
    • I doubt Mohinder knows about the Constrictors. Their appearance is also altered by their ability. Mohinder probably thinks his appearance alteration means the formula didn't work properly, but he probably would change his mind if he was to learn about them.--MiamiVolts (talk) 00:48, 15 October 2008 (EDT)

Tin foil

I noticed the small amounts of foil around the lab in the future, but now there's a lot of foil in the lab in the present. Anyone else notice this? I find it odd, might have something to do with this ability.--Bob (talk) 21:22, 14 October 2008 (EDT)

  • Yeah, I noticed it last week, but I didn't notice the foil this week. I'm curious what that's all about... -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:04, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
    • The aliens, of course. Therequiembellishere 00:34, 15 October 2008 (EDT)
      • It's either to stop aliens possessing the furniture, or to give Mo better grip for when he's throwing it at people. On a serious note, I think Mo is covering the reflective surfaces of his lab because he doesn't like what he's becoming. Revengeance 13:52, 26 October 2008 (EDT)
        • ...covering it with slightly less reflective material? Hmm.... -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:11, 26 October 2008 (EDT)
          • He crinkles the tinfoil to wrap it... Revengeance 23:36, 26 October 2008 (EDT)
    • Either way we can assume Mohinder is insane, so do we really need a logical explanation :P -- FlamingTomDude 21:54, 13 November 2008 (EST)

Mohinder's ability: Insect Mimicry?

  • So in the last episode, (Eris Quod Sum), we see Mohinder flying away. Now it makes perfect sense what is happening to him. Because he got the formula wrong, it's messing up his whole dna, mixing abilites with each other. We saw him use the following powers "Flight" (Eris Quod Sum), "Enchanced Strenght", (The Second Coming), "Enhanced Speed" (I Am Become Death), some form of "Spider Mimicry" (The Butterfly Effect) and i might have missed some. What i'm getting at is that this ability probably can't be named because it's a mixture of abilities. But hey... it's just a little theory. -- Futurepeter ( U - T - C ) 12:30, 28 October 2008 (EDT)
    • I don't think he flew there. I think he just jumped , as you know many bugs can jump very high. --Hellknight 12:38, 28 October 2008 (EDT)
      • Yeah, that's the most logical thing to me. Intuitive Empath 15:01, 28 October 2008 (EDT)
        • Yeah i think i got it all wrong. I read Greg Beeman's blog, which said "Bug Man", but if we look at episode 1 of season 3, we see Mohinder tossing his muggers around, are bugs that strong?? -- Futurepeter ( U - T - C ) 15:29, 28 October 2008 (EDT)
          • Ants, for example, can carry things even much bigger and heavier than themselves. Ordinary bugs with extraordinary abilities!! --Hellknight 15:35, 28 October 2008 (EDT)
            • Yeah, ants can carry things about at least ten times their weight. Intuitive Empath 16:27, 28 October 2008 (EDT)
    • Yeah, he's really reminding me of a Spider-Man analogue. "Spider Mimicry" or even a type of "Arachnid Physiology" sound good based on what we've seen so far. --Torley 23:12, 28 October 2008 (EDT)
      • Yeah, but that really doesn't account for the scales. I'm still thinking cockroach here. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 23:14, 28 October 2008 (EDT)
        • Maybe a combination of several different bugs? --Ice Vision (talk) 16:27, 3 November 2008 (EST)
    • In the latest Heroes Unmasked, Tim Kring described it as "becoming an insect" and "insect ability". - Hive 16:56, 12 November 2008 (EST)
      • So let's rename it to one of these, yes? - Hive 23:14, 13 November 2008 (EST)
        • Yeah I think it's time to finally name this mutated ability. In Heroes Unmasked "307 - A Bug's Life", Tim Kring said that his power is based on the, "...idea of an insect-like ability", and "his speed and strength have a insect like quality". And was to make him slowly transform into a bug. I think this should be called "Insect mimicry" or "Insect transformation"? Oh, they also confirmed that he can't fly, but what they call a "bug-jump". --Powermimic 20:28, 14 November 2008 (EST)
          • Heh, I would prefer cockroach mimicry, but since that isn't confirmed... insect mimicry works well with me... but other people here tend to me more... conservative with the naming convention so maybe we should wait for more opinions on this. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 20:52, 14 November 2008 (EST)
            • Mimicry again? You might as well call it insectikinesis. - Hive 21:00, 14 November 2008 (EST)
              • Uhh... no. Given the fact that Kring describes it as "becoming an insect," insect mimicry is perfectly fine. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 21:10, 14 November 2008 (EST)
                • Anyone else have any opinions? --Powermimic 04:48, 16 November 2008 (EST)
                  • I hate naming an ability after an person but all this "... mimicry" stuff is driving me nuts. But then again what can we name it. He does seem a lot like Spider Man with the cucoon ability from Arachne. So if I had to choose, and I hate to do this, but it would have to be spider mimicry or something along the lines of arachnid physiology. Whew, I never knew how naming superpowers could be such hard work and a pain in the (fill in the blank). But the real question is why give Mohinder abilities in the first place? Titan3510 12:23, 7 December 2008 (EST)
                    • I'm not going to comment on the ability's name, but on your "real question". I think Mohinder's story this season is a bit of a cautionary tale against greed and going against nature. He also serves as the dangers of giving people abilities, which is the overriding theme of the season. We've gone to the future and seen humans with synthetic abilities. Mohinder is beginning of that future. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:25, 7 December 2008 (EST)
                      • I think "Insect Mimicry" is fine or "Arachnid". Cause he can climb through walls, jump high and secretes web like substance like some of the arachnid type. Darkfiremaster13

Building a nest, laying eggs

If I remember correctly Bennet explicitly stated to Tracy and Nathan (and Meredith was there too if you want a third witness) that Suresh was "...building a nest; laying eggs." Does anyone think this is noteworthy? -- FlamingTomDude 21:50, 13 November 2008 (EST)

  • What I got from it was that Bennet was just joking, perhaps exaggerating the "freakiness" of Mohinder's ability. If memory serves correctly, he also said right afterwards, "We don't know," or something to that effect. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 22:08, 13 November 2008 (EST)
    • I think the dialogue went something like:
      Tracy: What was he doing?
      Noah: Building a nest, laying eggs, perhaps. It doesn't matter, but it'd probably be best if you let us check you out just to be safe.
      It didn't sound to me like Noah knew what Mohinder was up to.--MiamiVolts (talk) 22:30, 13 November 2008 (EST)
      • More like "building a nest, laying eggs... who knows?" - Hive 23:14, 13 November 2008 (EST)
  • I guess so. Still; wouldn't it be worth making some kind of note about? Clearly Bennet thought it was possible he could have been building a nest or laying eggs. He even wanted to make sure Nathan and Tracy were clean of said eggs. -- FlamingTomDude 22:57, 16 November 2008 (EST)
    • I didn't get that at all. I got that he had absolutely no better idea what Mohinder was up to than anybody else. I don't think he thought Mohinder was (or that he wasn't) capable of laying eggs. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:17, 16 November 2008 (EST)
      • The thought of Mohinder laying eggs... --Ice Vision (talk) 17:07, 17 November 2008 (EST)

Rename Consensus

  • Unless you guys can change Super-Hiro's mind, this check will be mostly pointless cause we already have one person's opinion who doesn't want 'insect mimicry'. I'm not opposed to the name myself, but Mohinder's cocooning reminds me more of what a spider might do to a victim than what any insect would do.--MiamiVolts (talk) 13:54, 22 November 2008 (EST)
    • If insect isn't good enough, we can for arthropod mimicry, both insects and arachnids are arthropods. Intuitive Empath 14:19, 22 November 2008 (EST)
      • Yeah, but we should base it to what Tim Kring said, which is "insects"...and by the way, A spider is considered as an insect as well, isn't it?

An if its just spider, how would you explain the ability to jump high or have super strength?...At least if its called "insect", all the bugs are considered as part of the ability, theres no confusion :D--NiveKJ13 16:13, 22 November 2008 (EST)

  • Spiders aren't insects. Spiders have eight legs, and insects have only six. And spiders can jump super high. Check out the jumping spider for an example. In any case, I'm not opposed to insect mimicry because one or more producers referred to it being insect-like. Arthropod mimicry is just as good for me, but the person you need to convince atm is Super-Hiro.--MiamiVolts (talk) 16:22, 22 November 2008 (EST)
    • Why do I have to convince him?...Won't the admins change the name if on person disagrees about it?...I'm confused lol--NiveKJ13 16:30, 22 November 2008 (EST)
      • Since it's a descriptive name and not one from the show or one the producers have explicitly said, it has to be a unanimous decision.--MiamiVolts (talk) 16:36, 22 November 2008 (EST)
        • What?! A namechange won't happen unless there's no more people who disagrees..Even though much more people agrees about it???--NiveKJ13 16:48, 22 November 2008 (EST)
          • That's the way consensus works.--MiamiVolts (talk) 16:58, 22 November 2008 (EST)
        • Super-Hiro's words: "but I suppose I wouldn't mind a name change too much." If in the end, it's still only him for keeping the name, we're still going to keep it even though he's partial? Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 16:53, 22 November 2008 (EST)
          • I would think 'partially opposed' is still opposed (he said he wouldn't mind "too much"), but that's for an administrator to decide, not me.--MiamiVolts (talk) 16:58, 22 November 2008 (EST)
            • From my perspective, he's not opposed at all; he would prefer Mohinder's ability, yes, but he wouldn't mind a name change. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 17:02, 22 November 2008 (EST)
              • So, should we change the name?--NiveKJ13 17:24, 22 November 2008 (EST)
                • See Bob's definitive 'no' below.--MiamiVolts (talk) 17:58, 22 November 2008 (EST)

Oops...sorry if I caused be honest, I just find that for once, this is one ability I don't think there needs to be any better name than the one we have right now...and I don't think I'll change since other people have opposed it now, I no longer need to feel guilty :P Super-Hiro 11:46, 23 November 2008 (EST)

  • That's no problem. Everyone's entitled to their own opinions on this site. :) Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 11:47, 23 November 2008 (EST)
  • No need to feel guilty. I haven't voted because I pretty much agree with you, I think. I don't really care if it's changed to "insect mimicry", but I'd rather see it as "Mohinder's ability" right now. I think it's fine as it is. Maybe tomorrow it'll change. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:19, 23 November 2008 (EST)

Given what we've seen in The Eclipse, Part 1 (Mohinder cocooning himself), I think his ability seems even more so like insect mimicry. I'd like to open the name debate again; anyone else have any thoughts? Or want to vote in the consensus? Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 07:24, 26 November 2008 (EST)

Insect Mimicry

  1. I'll say this one, as 'Insect' and Mohinder's abilities having an Insect-like quality has been said in Heroes Unmasked. --Powermimic 23:37, 21 November 2008 (EST)
  2. I'm up for a change to insect mimicry. As long as we have some kind of name for it. -- FlamingTomDude 2:47, 22 November 2008 (EST)
  3. I'm for a change, and so far this is the best name we've got that has something to do with canon info. -- Intuitive Empath 12:16, 22 November 2008 (EST)
  4. I vote for a name change as well.--NiveKJ13 13:39, 22 November 2008 (EST)
  5. One of the creators has already stated that Mohinder's "becoming an insect" and has described his ability as a "bug-like ability." Up until now, anything other than Mohinder's ability was speculative, but right now, I think insect mimicry would be acceptable... and would help get rid of another "-'s ability" in our database... Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 14:00, 22 November 2008 (EST)
  6. Perfect name. Psilaq Remake 15:03, 22 November 2008 (EST)
  7. Per naming conventions, "secondary sources" trumps "possessor's name." It can and should be changed only when the opinion of primary or secondary sources are changed.--Tim Thomason 17:24, 22 November 2008 (EST)

Mohinder's ability

  1. To be honest, I think since there are so many different aspects to this, I always thought keeping it as "Mohinder's ability," was actually the best thing. I personally think it's the best way to describe it, actually...but I suppose I wouldn't mind a name change too much. Super-Hiro 13:00, 22 November 2008 (EST)
  2. Unfortunately, I am with keeping the name until we have further description. Secondary sources should explicitly name an ability, not describe it. "Insect-like" doesn't say what the ability is, since there's no mention of any mimicry. Maya's ability was stated explicitly as Maya "emitting" a "plague" or a "virus". The action was explicitly stated, as was the description. That's why this name was implemented with secondary sources. However, we don't have any mention of "mimicry" from a secondary source, only the descriptor of being "insect-like". So I'm for keeping the possessor's name until some new development occurs or a better description is given in a secondary source.--Bob (talk) 17:38, 22 November 2008 (EST)
    "Insect-like" wasn't the only thing Tim Kring said; he also said "becoming an insect." I'd say that's an awful lot like mimicry... or some sort of transformation. I think that's enough to go on to change the name to something else, if not insect mimicry. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 17:43, 22 November 2008 (EST)
    Kring "specifically" referred to the power as an "insect-like ability." Could we not just move the page there until a more descriptive name appears? It's not like anyone in-universe (Mohinder, Noah) has a better idea at this time.--Tim Thomason 17:46, 22 November 2008 (EST)
    No, that's not how naming abilities works. See naming convention for further details. We don't just name articles until something better comes around. "Insect mimicry" is speculative, in that it states that the user can mimic an insect someway. If you read the naming convention, it states that it cannot be speculative, which is why a descriptive name requires a consensus. I'm not supportive of the use of the word "mimicry" because stating something is "like" does not mean the user mimics the descriptor. In addition, Kring states that the user becomes an insect. However, we have yet to see this aspect of the ability demonstrated, so until that occurs, his description is contradicting his other descriptions. I'm not really sure why so many people are pushing for consensus on this when the next episode should shine some light on Mohinder's ability. --Bob (talk) 17:55, 22 November 2008 (EST)
    Because not many people read spoilers. :s Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 17:57, 22 November 2008 (EST)
    I think mohinder's abilty is the proper name to this page. How does "bug mimicry" or "insect mimicry" describe his super strength? --Gabriel Bishop 16:47, 26 November 2008 (EST)Gabriel Bishop
    Proportionally, bugs are much stronger than humans, they can carry things many times heavier than themselves, when was the last time you saw someone who weights 90 pounds raise or carry something with 450 pounds on strength alone? Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 13:21, 26 November 2008 (EST)
  3. I'm going to put my 'vote' here for now, but I may change it after reading what was said about his ability in the interview, if someone could point me toward it. --Stevehim 13:45, 26 November 2008 (EST)
    What interview? Are you talking about this week's Behind the Eclipse? -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 13:49, 26 November 2008 (EST)
    I'm not sure. Whatever people were referencing when they said Kring described his ability. --Stevehim 14:03, 26 November 2008 (EST)
    Oh, I've never seen that reference. Was it in a commentary? -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 14:11, 26 November 2008 (EST)
    I'm not sure what the reference was. I'm trying to find out what people are basing the name change idea on that isn't speculation based on how he's acting, and I thought a few people mentioned the writers or Tim Kring said something about him being 'insect-like,' or that he's 'becoming an insect.' --Stevehim 14:15, 26 November 2008 (EST)
    According to Powermimic, in Heroes Unmasked "307 - A Bug's Life", Tim Kring said that his power is based on the, "...idea of an insect-like ability", and "his speed and strength have a insect-like quality". I'm not opposed to insect mimicry based on this comment. I find it interesting to note, though, that there is a species of spider that does something similar to self-cocooning. It's called a sac spider. They don't build webs. Instead, they hunt for prey at night and during the day they hide in a silken tube or sac, which looks like a cocoon, that they create in crevices or along walls.--MiamiVolts (talk) 14:33, 26 November 2008 (EST)
    Is "insect-like ability" or "insect-like quality" the name of the ability? They sound like good information and good clues about the ability, but they don't sound like names. We don't typically use descriptions from interviews and OOW sources to make another descriptive name. If Kring explicitly named Mohinder's ability, that would be another story. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:47, 26 November 2008 (EST)

Bug Mimicry

Insect Metamorphing? or Insect Transformation?

  • watcha guys think? "Metamorphing" came from Metamorphosis, the change from Larva to Adult in insects...--NiveKJ13 18:28, 22 November 2008 (EST)
    • Given what Bob said above, and the fact that we'll get new info on Mohinder's ability next episode, it'd probably just be best to wait until tomorrow. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 11:19, 23 November 2008 (EST)

Well, Nothing Happened in the Previous Episode

  • Great! He lost his powers lol XD --NiveKJ13 13:10, 25 November 2008 (EST)
    • He lost them in a cocoon. I'd say that says a lot about what it actually is... I think I'm still going to be pushing for insect mimicry. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 07:22, 26 November 2008 (EST)
      • No more mimicry please. What about "insectivalism"? [1] - Hive 09:09, 26 November 2008 (EST)
        • No. Psilaq Remake 15:36, 26 November 2008 (EST)
        • I think we should wait to the end of this volume. We should have some more answers by then. --Powermimic 21:58, 26 November 2008 (EST)
        • If it's mimicry, then we'll use mimicry. If it's a -kinesis, then we'll use -kinesis. Just because an ability suffix happens to be used a lot doesn't mean we still shouldn't use it. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 22:02, 26 November 2008 (EST)
          • "-kinesis" implies motion. Nothing ending in "kinesis" will be appropriate for Mohinder's ability. --Ricard Desi 02:45, 8 December 2008 (EST)
            • Um... that was just an example. I was just making a point. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 21:33, 11 December 2008 (EST)
              • Ah yeah, I can see that now. Whoops, heh. --Ricard Desi 11:22, 12 December 2008 (EST)

New Name Sugestion: Mohinder's mutation

Calling this an "Ability" is a bit of a misnomer, since an ability, as defined here as "1. The quality of being able to do something... 2. A natural or acquired skill or talent." It is more aptly referred to as a mutation, which enables as side effects enhanced strength, flexibility, stamina & senses; the unknown secretion, and the wall crawling ability. What say all? --SacValleyDweller (talk) 23:00, 11 December 2008 (EST)

  • Except it is an ability he acquired and it went away during the eclipse like the other abilities did.--MiamiVolts (talk) 23:48, 11 December 2008 (EST)
    • If we define what Mohinder can do (which includes the ability to jump really high, have super strength, climb walls, and produce weblike substances from his hands) differently because it's synthetic, we would also have to define Nathan's flight and all of Larter triplets' abilities differently. I think it really comes down to the fact that we define "ability" a little differently than the dictionary. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:26, 12 December 2008 (EST)
      • That's not exactly what Im getting at. Nathan, the Larter triplets, and Scott (so far) were given the right version of formula, and thus developed perfect abilities, indistinguishable from natural ones. Mohinder, on the other hand, gave himself a hastily created version, lacking an essential ingredient, resulting in something more than an ability, as it is permanently (eclipse aside) disfiguring his body, making him look less and less human, in addition to giving him multiple things that would each be considered abilities if they were in separate individuals. The substance may not have even resembled the schematic for the right version in the first place. It just doesn't fit calling/thinking of this as an ability, power, or even superpower when it clearly is doing more to him than imbue a special skills. It's way more that Water mimicry or Acid secretion, as those body modifications can be turned off and folks passing by the user are none the wiser that s/he is anything more than human. --SacValleyDweller (talk) 01:22, 12 December 2008 (EST)
        • Well, it would appear it is no longer a mutation. That said, perhaps there should be a page for Mohinder's mutation, detailing the negative effects caused (as well as for the unnamed patient he injected). --Ricard Desi 12:31, 16 December 2008 (EST)
          • Yeah: it's not really a mutation but a side-effect of his imperfect formula. The correct formula fixed that so if it was a mutation its fixed now.--WarGrowlmon18 12:53, 16 December 2008 (EST)

Rename Sugestion: Imperfect Synthetic Ability

Mohinder’s ability is basically the flawed formula and thus should be names accordingly. We should change the article’s name to Imperfect Synthetic Ability as that best describes it. Mohinder and his various test subjects all displayed the same side effects (scales) so we can assume that the flawed formula is same for everybody. A point against renaming it Insect mimicry (or something similar) implies it’s a correct ability, and every character who has seen him has described it as flawed, (Arthur in particular) and seeing how he is a leading specialist in the formula department he view is the best. I know there is another similar name change request but mutation suggests something naturally accruing which is not what happened. --Gray Knight 23:05, 14 December 2008 (EST)

    • It's been fixed so that's now pointless as its not imperfect anymore.--WarGrowlmon18 12:54, 16 December 2008 (EST)
  • There's no correct or incorrect in an ability. Simply put, such abilities are results of genetic mutations, and synthetic ones are caused by the formula's capability to "rewrite" the body's make up through adrenaline. While his ability may have undesirable side effects, it's not less "correct" than other abilities in any way. --Ciwey 08:47, 18 December 2008 (EST)
      • Now that he's been cured from the infectious/adverse affects so he now only has the strength, energy, stamina, an incress of duribility and the enhanced senses, meaning he is phisicaly enhanced, leading me to use the name Enhanced Phisicality for his power. Halfbreed1426

error or as yet unexplained?

Mohinder says that everyone of his test subjects has died shortly after being injected with the formula and he is convinced that the infection has spread to his lungs and is killing him. Yet we know that he lived at least 4 more years with his condition with apparently no ill effects.--D Toccs 03:46, 19 December 2008 (EST)

  • Which also makes you wonder, if the formula being splashed onto Mohinder could seemingly cure him, surely he could of obtained some of the formula in the future it is sold on the streets.--D Toccs 00:34, 20 December 2008 (EST)
    • Well maybe he did, but it was only temporary relief from his symptons, and he might get his scales, etc, again later on. --WeatherWitch 16:16, 20 December 2008 (EST)

Suggested Rename: Enhanced Physiology

The perfected formula in Dual undid the slow insect mutation Mohinder was undergoing, and we don't know if it also took away his ability to create the web-like slime. Every other one of the aspects of this ability could be explained by a superhuman physiology.

  • I think this one is good because it best describes his ability, but could also show his side effects because his features were enhanced when he gained scales. "Physiology" means processes and functions of an organism, and I think that growing scales can be counted as a process. --WeatherWitch 14:53, 19 December 2008 (EST)
    • I like this name as well. However, I think we should wait until it's actually confirmed that the slime was a side-effect of the uncatalyzed formula, not the ability. If he can still use his slime and make cocoons, then I'm pulling my vote out for this name. It's between enhanced physiology and insect mimicry for me. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 14:56, 19 December 2008 (EST)
      • I support this name as well. Since he does not have his insects power anymore, then this one is the most accurate. --NuparuMahnika
  • Well there's different effects to Enhanced strength and Pyrokinesis, such as color of fire and the way strength's induced.

"There is a lot of mystery surrounding David's ability. In fact, I don't even know what to call it. What is the nature of his power?

Jim: David was injected with an uncatalyzed strain of the serum which had terrible mutated effects. It was more of a severe rabies than anything else. Some of the bad serum turned people into "the elephant man", some did the Kafka-esque "Suresh" transformation and some of it did this. I'd call it "super rabies".

Timm: And I always thought of it as a less-powerful "rage" as seen in the film 28 Days Later." -- Mike the Man-child!

Mohinder's Formula

  • Should there be a different arcticle for the formula Mohinder used? After all, it's not the same as the formula used on Scott.--Isaac Mendez 10:19, 20 December 2008 (EST)
    • We could probably just add it to the same page and give it it's own subsection, or note the differences, similar to how the Shanti virus page is set up. --Stevehim 12:33, 20 December 2008 (EST)

Suggested Rename: Enhanced Physicality

Now that he's been cured from the infectious/adverse affects so now he only has the massive increase of strength, energy, stamina, plus incress of duribility and the enhanced senses, meaning he is phisicaly enhanced, leading me to use the name Enhanced Physicality for his power. Plus we it has become obvious to me that if Mohinder stated that he remained completle human when he first gained his power than the webbing and transfomation based abilities and the issuse that followed will be gone. However, this also means that Mohinder should be put under the list of those with Enhanced strength due to the fact that his strength is far greater than any normal being and that fact that his power increaced all of his physical aspects.Halfbreed1426

Rename: Vote?

Proposed names changes should be put to vote? Joetebbutt 13:53, 29 December 2008

  • We don't vote at Heroes Wiki. We check for consensus. Reading through the 37,000 bytes of discussion above, I don't see a consensus. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:08, 29 December 2008 (EST)
  • There's already a secondary source name for this ability in Heroes Unmasked [2], when Tim Kring calls it an "insect-like ability". This is the name that should be used, if we were to follow the rules. - Hive 04:00, 30 December 2008 (EST)
    • Even though it was named by Kring, "insect-like ability" is clearly a description, not a name. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 13:22, 11 January 2009 (EST)
      • So is "Mohinder's ability". The point is, "insect-like ability" is a better description, and it comes from an official source. - Hive 19:18, 11 January 2009 (EST)

"Insect-like ability" is way too broad, as it can be interpreted to mean that Mohinder can mimic the ability of any insect. He has not remotely shown that he can do that.


Since there has not been a consensus reached, "insect-like ability" fails to meet that requirement of giving an ability a descriptive name, regardless of any other objections based on the speculative nature of Kring's statement. --Stevehim 20:34, 11 January 2009 (EST)

Ability or Mutation?

  • I believe that this ability is NOT exactly an ability but just a mutation. And the enhanced strength, Jumping high etc, are just side effects. I think the we should make a different page called Mutation to make everything much simpler. --NiveKJ13 (talk2me) 10:25, 11 January 2009 (EST)
    • There's not much evidence to support that. It's just a theory, but still complete speculation. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 10:50, 11 January 2009 (EST)
    • I'm inclined to believe this theory, as we see similar mutative abilities arise in David Sullivan, albeit much faster. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 13:23, 11 January 2009 (EST)

Help improve Mutation page

  • Can you guys help improve the Mutation page? Im kinda stuffed right now, Agh! Courseworks and essays! XP

--NiveKJ13 (talk2me) 17:23, 11 January 2009 (EST)

Name Change

  • Shouldn't there be an actual name now after we have seen what this abilty is? It is pretty safe to assume that from what we have seen at the end of Dual and after What We Have Wrought, that he no longer has any negative effects from the imperfect formula. Following this point he should still have an actual ability, which should be simply something along the lines of him being at peak human potential.
    • As of A Clear and Present Danger, it appears he has just super-strength. I do suggest we wait a few more episodes before something is changed.--The Empath 22:07, 2 February 2009 (EST)
      • I know, it seems like super strength is all they're making it out to be. I absolutely loved when Mohinder was trying to run away from the hunters. I thought he could run really fast? (maybe not Daphne-fast, but still) Also, couldn't he just have jumped from that garage to the bottom floor without getting hurt? Meh. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 22:08, 2 February 2009 (EST)
      • I was thinking the same thing as I was editing this last night. If it doesn't have anything else with it, we should say that Mohinder now has enhanced strength. --SacValleyDweller (talk) 11:47, 3 February 2009 (EST)
        • But we don't know if Mohinder has maintained his other powers he had when he first injected himself with the formula. For instance, he could stick to walls, had improved reflexes etc- we don't know which abilities of those he has actually lost


Since Peter demonstrated the ability, I've added him. Due to the power absortion vs empathic mimicry debate, I used the most neutral wording I could. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 10:14, 3 February 2009 (EST)

Just "Enhanced Strength"

The latest Behind the Eclipse, Joe Pokaski and Aron Coliete said, "Enhanced strength is the only ability remaining. The wall climbing was linked to that goo coming off of his hands and the scales..." [3] --Powermimic 21:09, 9 February 2009 (EST)

Well then we can change most stuff referencing this into Enhanced strength then, however perhaps this page could be changed into something about incomplete formula abilities? Speaking of which do we know if this ability was caused by the complete formula or not? The Light6 21:24, 9 February 2009 (EST)
My two cents, outlined-like:
  1. Yes, with the CBR confirmation, we can remove all references to Mohinder currently having this ability and say that he now has enhanced strength.
  2. No, we cannot convert this page to being a general one about the abilities gained though use of imperfect formula. Reason being, this ability (which I think should be renamed as "Mohinder's mutation") is unique and the effects used often in Volume 3.
    (btw, Light 6, somebody started a user subpage about just that, which could work as a legitimate article with some work)
  3. I believe that David's ability was the result of imperfect formula. --SacValleyDweller (talk) 01:43, 10 February 2009 (EST)
My two cents: Since the eclipse blocked it, I do think it needs to be left as ability, but just like empathic mimicry, we need to make the distinction that it's not his ability anymore, and from now on put Mohinder in the enhanced strength, but mentioning examples only from after he was washed up with the catalyzed formula. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 09:31, 10 February 2009 (EST)
  • I agree, I would say that as of A Clear and Present Danger the only part of Mohinder's ability left is the enhanced strength/stamina, so I think we should note that he has LOST Mohinder's ability and currently holds Enhanced Strength. EValentino 13:28, 12 February 2009 (EST)

Here's how we should handle the CBR confirmation for Mohinder's ability

We should handle this like we handled Peter. We still keep Mohinder's ability (which documents the original buglike apsects), but we list it as (lost), and on his character page, list two abilities like we do Peter:
Original ability:
Mohinder's ability (lost)
Current ability:
Enhanced strength (synthetic)
We then add a note in the notes section stating that when Mohinder was cured by being exposed to the pure formula, the original bug-like aspects of his power were removed, and only Enhanced strength remained. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 02/12/2009 10:33 (EST)

Enhanced Strength, Enhanced Agility, Boundless Energy, Spider Walk

I think it's better to divide Mohinder's power onto four kinds of ability, such as : Enhanced strength, Enhanced agility, Boundless energy, and Spider walk. Why it must divided? Because i think that all those powers don't exist only on one power, so it's better to divided it onto four kinds of ability.

  • Dear God, no. We've seen multiple effect abilities before, no need to split this. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 15:33, 10 February 2009 (EST)
  • Amen, Empath. Splitting it would be a MESS! EValentino 13:28, 12 February 2009 (EST)

Name Change: Perfected Huminiod, or somthing along those lines

It seems to me that Mohinder's ability (not his original flawed mutation, but his ability in its current form) is much like Captain Americas in that he is a perfect specimen of human development and conditioning. As Mohinder, much like the captain was transformed from a frail man into a more perfect human, showing he has exceptional strength and agility. I'll leave this for you to decide. Just my 2 cents

Plot Hole?

At the end of the last volume Mohinder claims that the infection is spreading to his lungs and he is about to die. But in I Am Become Death Peter travels four years into the future to find Mohinder in his lab, alive and well, though mutated to an inhuman state. If Mohinder's infection was really about to kill him, how did he survive until the future seen in I Am Become Death? Wouldn't he have died long ago? Leyviur 2:45, 14 February 2009

Maybe the changes the ability caused on him were similar to infections, but didn't weaken him like an infection. Maybe he was using infection only to describe the ability, as if it was spreading like an infection. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 09:02, 14 February 2009 (EST)
Plus, the future has been altered. He was still clearly affected by the imperfect formula, but we don't know what he did to try and help himself in between. Maybe he found a way to stop it from spreading to his lungs. I also wouldn't call future Mohinder alive and well.  ;) --Stevehim 09:15, 14 February 2009 (EST)

Un-catalysed synthetic ability

I don’t understand why this page is still called Mohinder’s ability. For start this isn’t his ability, Enhanced strength is,Verified by Writers and Websites, so should be named as something other than this. Secondly seeing as how the only difference between this and a regular synthetic ability is the serum was un-catalysed, making scales and wall climbing, cocoon making, goo. Now it’s been verified that this happens with all un-catalysed formula because his test subjects developed scales, though we weren’t shown their strength it’s clear that it was the same. So I suggest the name as Un-catalysed synthetic ability as it is correct. and I think it shouldn’t be included in the list of abilities as its flawed and not naturally occurring maybe making a separate section would be adequate. Gray Knight 11:00, 16 February 2009 (EST)

  • Enhanced strength is his current ability, not the same as this, Mohinder's ability was the uncatalyzed ability, enhanced strength is the catalyzed ability. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 14:00, 16 February 2009 (EST)

Mohinder's Synthetic Ability

Maybe mohinder never had a certain power and that without the catylyst it just made a mess of his DNA ? Gabriel Bishop 05:13, 21 March 2009 (EDT) Gabriel Bishop

Suggest Picture Change

Change to: Image:Powers Mohinder's sticky goo.jpg. This picture clearly shows the sticky secretion of his own genetic modification formula ability. I think the sticky secretion is a powerful marker of his imperfect ability. Showing the wall crawling aspect of this ability relates too much to the specific wall crawling ability. Tell me what you think. If nobody objects, I'll make the change. --Bender 23:31, 2 April 2009 (EDT)

  • I don't really care one way or another. I think the image you suggested is fine, but I don't see anything wrong with the image that's there right now. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:51, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
    • Actually, the current one also shows that, there's a note in the page saying that the wallcrawling was due to the scales and the sticky substance. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:31, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
      • My thought is that the picture doesn't clearly show the sticky secretions being used to help him stick to the walls. What the image looks like resembles the ability wall crawling. In other words, to someone who is just now checking out the ability page, from first glance, the image suggests Mohinder's ability is wall crawling. I'm going to change the image now. --Bender 23:58, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
        • I reverted the changes because the writers have stated the goo is no longer a part of his ability after he injected himself again.--Bob (talk) 18:33, 4 April 2009 (EDT)
          • When did he inject himself again? Are you referring to the time the genetic modification formula washed over him? If you are, his imperfect Mohinder's ability was corrected to become super strength. The sticky secretions were a part of his imperfect synthetic ability, but not his current ability. --Bender 18:57, 4 April 2009 (EDT)

Just a suggestion

But now we know that (1) Mohinder used the uncatalyzed formula (2) David Sullivan used the uncatalyzed formula (3) Elephant man used the uncatalyzed formula ~ and they all got a mutation. Mohinder got bug-ified, David was given super-rabies (according to the new interview) and Elephant man became Elephant man, shouldn't they all have the same ability/mutation. I think this makes sense (and even if it doesn't nothing is known about David's or the Elephant Man's mutation/ability). --IronyUTC CH 16:02, 7 April 2009 (EDT)

  • I agree, also they all seem to receive animal like mutations, David was like a dog or wolf (in my opinion), Elephant man (well that's obvious) and Mohinder (insect like mutation). They should be under one name like uncatalysed ability or something along those lines. --posted by Laughingdevilboy

Talk 17:34, 7 April 2009 (EDT)

    • This makes much more sense (and also gives us an end to the mohinder's ability debate). Bumping So that page becomes "known". --IronyUTC CH 08:31, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
      • + 1 Bump --IronyUTC CH 05:35, 9 April 2009 (EDT)
        • I agree. I don't think Mohinder's ability should be classified with the other abilities that were synthetically induced with the catalyzed genetic modification formula. Although his mutated "ability" was lost during the eclipse, his ability/mutation developed using an imperfect formula. I think this page should be moved to a new section titled Mutations or something. ---- - Bender · Talk-
          • I'm not sure I'd support this. As mentioned, Mohinder's ability was lost during the eclipse, and Arthur implied he could remove the ability with his power. I think Mohinder's ability should stay as an ability cause unlike the other two, there were benefic effects. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 15:27, 9 April 2009 (EDT)
            • While that's true, it has been confirmed that all he has left is Enhanced strength. I made this page to note the mutations, and I think Mohinder's ability should be listed on Enhanced strength now.--Riddler 15:29, 9 April 2009 (EDT)
              • He is listed as having enhanced strength, he's just listed as once having an ability known as Mohinder's ability. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 15:53, 9 April 2009 (EDT)
                • He's listed under Mohinder's ability when it's been confirmed he only has Enhanced strength. Why classify it as his own ability when we have confirmation? The other aspects of the ability are from his mutations, and should be listed as such. We KNOW his ability now, we don't need a separate article for it. :)--Riddler 15:57, 9 April 2009 (EDT)
                  • If you look closely in the infobox, you'll see that it also says that the ability has been corrected, and it's also mentioned in the article that after it was corrected, it became regular enhanced strength. The article was kept because the ability had different effects which makes this different from enhanced strength. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 16:01, 9 April 2009 (EDT)
                    • His mutated ability had different effects. That part of his ability has been corrected. --Riddler 16:03, 9 April 2009 (EDT)
                      • It's still an ability he had for a while, if current abilities were the only things we listed, we'd remove Peter and Sylar from the articles about abilities they lost. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 16:16, 9 April 2009 (EDT)
                        • I think Mohinder's ability should not be classified with natural abilities or the synthetically produced abilities from the perfect genetic modification formula. No one has or will display the effects of Mohinder's ability naturally because the formula he used was flawed. I believe this article and David's ability should be classified as Mutated abilities or something along those lines. ---- - Bender · Talk-

Mutated enhanced strenghth?

  • Did anyone ever think that mohinder's ability is just a mutant enhanced strenghth? after all the formula washed over him in Dual and corrected his ability, leaving him with just strenghth, so there for what mohinder injected himself with was just a mutant version of enhanced strenghth. --Tsmarg

Maybe mutated, perhaps not an ability

Well, I always thought that the writers gave Mohinder a insect ability as to oppose his archenemy Sylar (who is a cockroach). Also I beilive that Mohinder's ability is actually a mutated ability and that the eclipse took it away because, un-catalysed, it was still a imperfect ability. I also believe that Arthur cannot only absorb abilites because he could absorb the catalyst. Gabriel Bishop 02:09, 20 April 2009 (EDT)

  • I don't think the cockroach has any significance to Sylar. I hope they don't create a whole episode to tell the backstory of cockroaches, like they did with socks. And Arthur said he was absorbing the catalyst with Hiro's ability. -- Tristan0709 talk 02:27, 20 April 2009 (EDT)

New Consensus Check using New Concensus Process

Please sign and give a reason to the name you are opposed to. If no consensus is reached then this will remain Mohinder's ability. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 04/22/2009 12:59 (EST)

  • You are welcome to discuss this ability's name ad nauseum, but since there has previously been no consensus, and there is no new information, holding this new consensus check is against wiki policy and therefore any results from it will be invalid unless you can convince everyone who previously commented to participate. The opinions of those who have spoken before should be included, even if they are no longer following this discussion. But since this format requires people to only voice objections, it is impossible to know whether or not everyone who commented before is participating, making this check pointless.--MiamiVolts (talk) 14:41, 22 April 2009 (EDT)

Mohinder's ability

  • Opposed, we have enough details about the ability, to give it a proper descriptive name. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 04/22/2009 12:59 (EST)

Insect mimicry

  • Opposed, Mohinder no longer has the residual insect attributes, only enhanced strength. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 04/22/2009 12:59 (EST)
    • But he did when he had this ability, it incorporates those effects, just cause he doesn't have them anymore it doesn't mean that it was not part of his ability. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 14:15, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
      • Yes, it should be listed historically for reference, but it is no longer his present ability. Right now, his present ability is nameless. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 04/22/2009 14:26 (EST)

Enhanced strength (synthetic)

  • Opposed, it wasn't the same as enhanced strength, and adding the status of the ability to it's name shrieks bad idea to me. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 14:15, 22 April 2009 (EDT)

Enhanced physiology (synthetic)

  • Opposed, not much because of the physiology but for the synthetic in the name, same as my argument against the same thing one ability on top of this. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 14:15, 22 April 2009 (EDT)

Enhanced physiology

Uncatalyzed Ability


Maybe we should just call it enhanced physiology, then write in notes when this ability was uncatalyzed a side effect was Mohinder produced a sticky substance, as well as scales. Because those were more of a side effect than the actual ability --345tom 08:25, 25 April 2009 (EDT)

Enhanced Senser is right

The book Heroes Revealed was released in May 2009, and it's official Heroes propaganda. On Mohinder's page, his powers are listed as Enhanced Senses. It states that he has strength far greater than a normal man, and enhanced senses in all gategories. It also lists the goo/cocoons/wall-climbing/scales as adverse side-effects. He no longer posesses Enhanced Senses, but it was the ability he did possess.