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==So what abilities did sylar have right before he killed charlie?==
I can recall telekinesis, freezing, and trevor's ability, right?[[User:Gamerelite1|Gamerelite1]] 21:12, 26 October 2009 (EDT)
*His basic ability (intuitive aptitude) as well, obviously, and perhaps some other unknown ones since we didn't know exactly where he was all the time. But otherwise yes, we'd only seen him kill Brian, Trevor, and Molly's father,. Ah for the days when Sylar wasn't God... [[User:Swmystery|Swm]] 09:58, 29 October 2009 (EDT)
** Noah showed Eden some of Sylar's unnamed victims, but I can't remember if that was before he killed Charlie. {{User:Altes/Signature}}
*** Found it. It was after Charlie's death, but it's unknown if they were killed before or after Charlie. {{User:Altes/Signature}}
**** It's unlikely they were killed after Charlie.  The time between Charlie's death and Homecoming was only one day.  Here's hoping we get to see Sylar use Freezing or Trevor's ability, for old-times' sake. --[[User:Ricard Desi|Ricard Desi]] ([[User talk:Ricard Desi|t]],[[Special:Contributions/Ricard Desi|c]]) 15:15, 29 October 2009 (EDT)
** Given there was about 3-4 people in that file, he wouldn't have done it after Charlie. As we also know Sylar killed somebody else in the GN Turning Point, it's likely he had more abilities then Season 1 let on. I guess we'll just have to wait and see. [[User:Swmystery|Swm]] 07:08, 30 October 2009 (EDT)
***hmm. hiro is going to get owned if he tries taking him on. I wonder if we'll get to see him use freezing to turn into water, I doubt it.
**** Or if Sylar uses Trevor's ability and gives it a name... {{User:Altes/Signature}}

==Enhanced Memory==
Shouldnt we remove this ability from sylar's list of acquired abilities, since he doesn't have it in the current timeline? [[User:Daevon|daevon]] 21:36, 2 November 2009 (EST)
*I'd say so.  Hiro did save Charlie from Sylar.--{{User:Catalyst/sig}} 21:38, 2 November 2009 (EST)
*But definitely put a note stating that he did have it up until strange attractors.
**We could leave it on there, but put a note off to the side saying something about how he may not have it anymore. -{{User:Vampirate68/sig}} | 21:51, 2 November 2009 (EST)
*** How about we remove enhanced memory from the list and write in the note that Sylar only acquired it in an alternate timeline? {{User:Altes/Signature}}
***I prefer Altes' answer, given that in the current timeline, he never took her power. [[User:Swmystery|Swm]] 05:23, 3 November 2009 (EST)
****It needs to be removed completely. By the narrative of the series, he never had it. Maybe the ability page itself could mention a past Sylar had it- like we do with the Future Sylar's and Peters, but present day Sylar now never had it so it should be removed. -[[User:EvilMaldini]] 13:41, 3 November 2009 (GMT)
*****Notes section should be enough. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 12:37, 3 November 2009 (EST)
******And the same goes for Peter? What about [[enhanced memory]]? We can't call it confirmed for Sylar anymore, just like future abilities. - [[User:Josh|Josh]] ([[User talk:Josh|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Josh|contribs]]) 15:02, 4 November 2009 (EST)
*******A note either in his exposed abilities template (and that of his future selves) should be enough. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 15:03, 4 November 2009 (EST)

== Blood Clot  ==

Did Sylar use IA to detect the blood clot?[50000JH 16:52, 3 November 2009 (EST)]
*I assume so - {{User:Jenx222/sig2}} 16:55, 3 November 2009 (EST)


== Intra Page referencing ==
I think as a means of distinguishing sylar's mind from his body, we should refer to the mind that is in matt as sylar and the body that has no memories as Gabriel. I think it would make it easier to understand which one is being refered to.

== Still no flight ?! ==

Can I know what makes you doubt? 

As if Nathan would know he had to use telekinesis in order to fly...?

You're waiting for Nathan to actually fly on screen ? No cauz,  you know, it would have been mentioned if he couldn't fly...

That's exactly what we're waiting. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 16:17, 7 November 2009 (EST)

* Glad to hear you guys won't come up with "but he used TK !" then. ;) See you soon :p ...

== So does that mean he can fly? ==

Because it sure looks like Sylar flew away after shifting back to Nathan's form when he wakes up in the carnival at the begining of Shadowboxing.
* "Nathan" can use TK, but he would certainly rather fly away with "his" power than propel himself all the way with his "new" power. {{User:Altes/Signature}}
** I think the page should reference "An invisible thread" as the time Sylar accquired flying and not "Shadowboxing".  He could not possibly have taken in shadowboxing as Nathan was 8 weeks dead.
*** It had to have been empathy during the entire night that Sylar was prodding around in Nathan's office stuff. Not to mention the fact that Sylar spent the whole night with Nathan while he was knocked out. There is no way that was telekinesis. The only way that Sylar picked up flight only in this episode is if the memory flashes were enough to give an empathy blast. That's not likely. The only evidence to the contrary would be the fact that it took Sythan 30 minutes to get to Kojin Sushi in Orientation. [[User:NileQT87|NileQT87]] 02:02, 10 November 2009 (EST)
**** I wasn't saying that he accquired flight all of a sudden in shadowboxing, I'm just saying that we can finally confirm it and stop wondering about, or at least im hoping thats what this means.
**I think it should read acquired in Invisible Thread, demonstrated in Shadowboxing (just like with Charlie's ability, minus the note). As "Nathan", Sylar wouldn't be aware of his Telekinesis, right? The scene at the end basically confirms he thinks he's Nathan again. That was definetly Flight- not only were the sound effects correct for once, but the manner in which he took off is exactly the same as every Flight the real Nathan ever did. He would have absorbed it through empathy, either when Matt put all of his memories in his head (making him empathise in the most literal way possible, by literally seeing his life), or beforehand if you say that his Flight in Invisible Thread is Flight and not TK, when he sucked memories out of his possessions. I think it's safe to add it. [[User:Swmystery|Swm]] 05:16, 10 November 2009 (EST)
How did Sylar learn how to fly? He killed Nathan before he cut his head open. Unless he got it from West, or something.--[[User:Gibbeynator|Gibbeynator]] 13:44, 11 November 2009 (EST)
*He got it from Nathan empathetically, due to his Clairsentience.  Or are you asking how he had the knowledge to fly perfectly without struggling?  If its that he thinks he's Nathan.  And Nathan knows how to fly.--{{User:Catalyst/sig}} 13:48, 11 November 2009 (EST)
** *shudder* Every time someone says that Sylar can get powers the same way Peter can, it makes me feel bad inside...--[[User:Gibbeynator|Gibbeynator]] 15:43, 11 November 2009 (EST)
** Plus, if you'll recall, in the season opener, Nathan said it took him 40 minutes, or some such number, to get to lunch. It wouldn't have taken as long if he flew.--[[User:Gibbeynator|Gibbeynator]] 15:49, 11 November 2009 (EST)
*** Yes because it's natural for someone to fly the streets of New York to get to their destination. Not only that but Nathan usually only flew when the situation called for it, him (Sylar as Nathan) flying to see his "mother" for lunch, isn't exactly a good reason to fly. I think Sylar absorbed it the same way he absorbed Elle's ability only not as intimate. And I thought it was confirmed in "Invisible thread" but my memory is faulty, because I thought Sylar said he gained Nathan's flight by fighting him, but I guess that only applies to Peter and the shape shifting ability, Either way he definitely flew in Shadowboxing, since he thought he was Nathan again and took off, if he couldn't fly then he wouldn't have been able to do that. Since I'm sure flying and "Propelling oneself with Telekinesis" requires a different method of achieving.  --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 16:03, 11 November 2009 (EST)
**** Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't "Nathan" ask Angela what she did to him, since it took him 40 minutes to get across town?--[[User:Gibbeynator|Gibbeynator]] 07:26, 12 November 2009 (EST)
**He wasn't being literal. It most likely took him 40 mins to get across town because he didn't fly. That doesn't prove he couldn't fly. It wasn't outright confirmed in Invisible Thread, but that's the only place he could have gotten it from so it's not difficult to determine. [[User:Swmystery|Swm]] 12:18, 12 November 2009 (EST)
* While we certainly have enough evidence to say Sylar has the ability of flight, I don't think we have enough to say how he obtained it.  Iirc, Sylar is not an empath.  His power is intuitive aptitude.  That he can use that power to obtain other abilities without directly examining the brain is just an evolution of his original power, not evidence of him having empathic mimicry as Peter did (possibly still does).  Sure, Arthur told Sylar he could emphatically obtain powers, but he was a proven liar.  As for how Sylar got the ability of flight, we don't exactly know, since the future has currently been changed by Hiro (which, imo, is going to (and perhaps already has) lead to inconsistencies in the show).  --[[User:Stevehim|Stevehim]] 12:16, 13 November 2009 (EST)
** The empathy aspect of his ability isn't the same as empathic mimicry. Peter's ability was automatic, he just had to be near someone to have their abilities, Sylar didn't do that, he needs to actively connect or understand others to acquire their abilities, it's not a passive thing like Peter's empathic mimicry. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 12:31, 13 November 2009 (EST)
*** Arthur didn't say Sylar can absorb powers with empathy. He said something like "you want powers, and you can obtain them all by accessing your empathy, which you had all along". It's somewhat different. It depends upon how Sylar chooses to use his IA - either by scanning his victims' brains, or by understanding how they feel. This is where we should look for similarities, because IA absorbs powers in both cases. A property of the ability itself. {{User:Altes/Signature}}
**** Yeah, and if you put it in the right perspective, both of them come from understanding. One comes from rational understand of how the brain and the ability work, and the other by emotionally understanding the one who has the ability, acquiring it. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 13:28, 13 November 2009 (EST)
***** Ability acquisition via understanding the source. Sounds reasonable. {{User:Altes/Signature}}
*** Correct, but my point was directed at the phrasing of how he obtains powers.  Regardless of whether he "understands" or "connects" with someone or if he examines their brain, it is still intuitive aptitude.  To say he gained flight via "empathy" just leads to confusion, and is technically incorrect (he would gain a power by accessing his ability of intuitive aptitude through a ''mechanism'' of empathy, at best) as that would be more associated with EM than IA, and is not, in and of itself, an ability.  Sorry for the miscommunication...I was just trying to say that if he gained flight from Nathan, it would be from using his IA, and could further be defined as using his IA in such a way that it did not require a brain examination.  Of course, we don't really know that for certain.  I'm not sure the aspects of shapeshifting are clear.  Is it a complete physiological transformation, inside and out?  If so, Sylar would have direct access to "Nathan's" brain, as his would be the same.  Of course, that presents some problems (like how Sylar would retain other abilities, including IA, as his physiology would no longer contain the necessary DNA structure (codons etc). ;)
Also, on a sidenote, it is possible he acquired flight from Peter via the empathic mechanism of his IA, as he had more of a connection with the younger Petrelli at one point, and was in a better position to understand him in their "bonding" moments of S3. --[[User:Stevehim|Stevehim]] 00:38, 15 November 2009 (EST)
**** I don't know about you, but I've always called what Sylar does in those cases "the empathy aspect of his ability". I know it's still IA, but it's not the usual way he uses it. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 08:13, 15 November 2009 (EST)
***** No, I think we agree here.  It's just that sometimes people simplify it to "empathy" which leads to all kinds of debate and confusion (eg - above).  My comments weren't really directed at you.  :)  --[[User:Stevehim|Stevehim]] 04:32, 16 November 2009 (EST)
****** Writers said in a BTE that there was no difference between EM and the "empathicly used IA" so of course people get confused. I don't think EM was "automatic". It just turned that way because of Peter. It started by touch with one power at a time, while in presence of other specials. Maybe Arthur too had that at first, but made that evolve to power absorbption. Peter, I think, by absorbing too many powers, "broke" his EM. He became a sponge, there was no more empathy. But whith Sylar it might just be it actually, EM that doesn't go wrong. "Understand the feelings of others" is just the perfect definition of empathy... If "Draph" has ability replication, because he touches in order to get powers, then why doesn't Sylar have EM ? He takes powers without touching, by understanding their feelings, and doesn't steal their powers. So clearly, Either Draph or Sylar is a problem here since their mimic powers share at many common points with another one(s).
******* Do you know which BTE that was?  --[[User:Stevehim|Stevehim]] 15:04, 16 November 2009 (EST)
******** I would say the one after Sylar got Elle's ability, which would make it the tenth or so BTE. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 15:14, 16 November 2009 (EST)
*********  Thanks, found it (I think).<br />“In ‘It's Coming’ we saw Sylar absorb an ability the same way Peter did, ‘empathically.’ Does this mean that Arthur, Sylar and Peter all in fact have the same ability, just access it differently? And would this mean that Sylar could learn to remove abilities like Arthur does?”.......Hmmmm. It certainly would seem to follow that logic… wouldn’t it?<br /><br /> Problem is, it's somewhat vague, and if we were to take it at face value, we'd almost be forced to group EM, IA and Power Absorption under one page.  --[[User:Stevehim|Stevehim]] 21:21, 16 November 2009 (EST)
********** Since Knox's super strength has nothing to do with Mohinder's but still is on the same page, that would make sense. Like a page : "Mimicry", with all the different way a mimic power has manifested (IA, EM, AR, PA). But it's not the BTE you were looking for actually, I remember exactly "how is that different from Peter's way to absorb powers ?" answer : "it's not !" . Like Peter had to activate (by understanding how a complex mechanism works) IA, and Sylar had to find his empathy to use EM. Actually, they even say in the DVD season 3 features that Arthur's power is an evolved form of EM. So yeah I don't see why it is separated here since there is only two mimic on the show.

== Scare quotes ==

Using [[Wikipedia:scare quotes|scare quotes]] to refer to the Sylar-Nathan hybrid is fine. Specifically, it's okay to say something like "[[Sylar|Nathan]]" lies in a hospital bed. However, to quote ''The Chicago Manual of Style'', "scare quotes lose their force and irritate readers if overused." Scare quotes are only needed periodically, not every time the name appears. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 10:06, 21 November 2009 (EST)
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