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Hiro screams in agony as Arthur Petrelli grabs his head. Ando attacks him and Arthur telekinetically throws him away in midleap. Arthur informs Hiro he needed to clean up his mess, but notices a painting of an eclipse on the nearby rock wall. He goes to study it and Ando knocks Hiro away. He tells Hiro to teleport him away but Hiro doesn’t know what he’s talking about. As Arthur walks toward them, Hiro thinks of waffles. Ando forces him to close his eyes, and he teleports them to a bowling alley in Tokyo, Japan. Hiro sees a chicken & waffles poster and follows a waiter to a nearby table. Hiro asks why Ando is so old and then looks at himself in a mirror and thinks he looks old as well. Ando asks him how old he thinks he is and Hiro says 10.

Sylar is watching repairmen fixing the windows when Arthur appears via teleportation. Arthur comments that it’s hard to believe that Peter could have survived the fall. He takes Sylar down the hall and explains he can teach his son how to take powers without killing by harnessing his empathy. Arthur says he knows Sylar saved Peter, then escorts him into a room where Elle is chained to the floor. She recognizes Sylar and fires a lightning bolt at him, blasting him apart.

At Peter's apartment, Claire tells Peter that they need to leave but Peter says he’s going alone and he can protect himself even without his powers. He says he needs her to stay innocent. There’s a banging noise on the door and Claire tells Peter to run down the fire escape, saying she has a plan to hold them off. Knox and Flint barge in and Flint ignites his hand while Knox tries to feed on her fear without success. She leaps out the window, falling past Peter and landing in the alleyway several floors below. Peter gets down and the two of them run away. As they go, Pete notices a painting of the Earth splitting open on the alleyway wall. They go down into the sewers.

Arthur visits Mohinder in the laboratory and Mohinder admits he’s wondering if it’s impossible to give people abilities without an adverse reaction. Arthur notices Mohinder monitoring an upcoming solar flare and admits he has a similar interest. Mohinder notes that a number of powers manifested during the last eclipse but dismisses it as a coincidence. Mohinder concludes that the formula is sound but there’s something missing: a necessary catalyst. Arthur tells him to keep looking but Mohinder explains that that the catalyst would have to be in a human host. Arthur realizes that Kaito Nakamura knew what it is, but didn’t hide it well enough. As he goes, the test subject inside, horribly mutated, writhes in pain.

Sylar falls to the floor, regenerating his injuries. Elle swears at him, saying he killed her father. Sylar says it wouldn’t do any good to apologize and she deserves vengeance. He stands up and tells her to blast him again and she does.

Matt and Daphne arrive at Primatech only to find it deserted. Matt sees Usutu ahead and follows him, only to find himself in Angela’s room. She’s still in a coma and Matt uses his telepathy to read her mind. He gets a painful feedback and says he has to help her, and Daphne goes to find a nurse.

At his office in Pinehearst, Arthur is studying files on Kaito and Claire when Daphne superspeeds in and tells him about Angela. He says his wife will be fine and she asks if they can keep Matt out of it. He tells her he can always send Daphne back where he found her, and she asks what he wants her to do. He says that if Matt tries to help Angela, he’ll deal with it.

In the sewers, Peter explains that the alleyway they were in is where she shoots him in the future. He warns her he’s trying to stop that future from coming true. He tells her to go home but she says it’s his fault for becoming her friend and a hero. She’s going to stay with him to return the favor. They hear someone coming and Claire sends Peter off while she goes toward Knox and Flint as they arrive. Knox addresses her by name and says that they came for her. Knox easily subdues her and Peter hears her cries.

In Tokyo, Hiro eats waffles as Ando tries to explain that he’s 28. Hiro is happy to hear he doesn’t have to go to school any more and shoots spitballs at nearby girls. Ando tries to explain his power and tells him to try and use it. Hiro says it’s stupid but concentrates and time slows down momentarily. Hiro returns time to normal and is impressed, and tries again, totally freezing time. He aims the two girls shooting spitballs at each other the runs around the bowling alley playing pranks. Once he’s done, he restores time to normal and all of the pranks go off. Ando says they have a lot of work to do.

Daphne returns to Matt and Angela as he tries to get inside her head. Daphne asks if he can get hurt and Matt admits he’s only done it once with his dad. He asks Daphne to stay there and watch him while he disappears into Angela’s head. He concentrates and sits back.

Elle continues to electrify Sylar, who reheals his burns. Sylar tells her he didn’t want to kill Bob or anyone else. He insists he’s not going to let the urge force him to kill any more. Elle, unimpressed, hits him with another lightning bolt and he says he understands she needs to let it out. She continues to hit him with electricity until, exhausted, she finally tells him to kill her. He extends his hand to use his telekinetic abilities.

Nathan and Tracy arrive outside Pinehearst and he remembers a cabin where Arthur took him and his brother fishing. Tracy says there may be a reason Arthur kept his existence secret but Nathan says he has to know the truth and see him if he’s alive. They go to Arthur’s office and meet him. Arthur asks him to come give him a hug and Nathan cautiously circles him. Arthur addresses Tracy by name and shakes hands with her. Nathan asks if Arthur knows what he did to the family and Arthur admits he should have told him what his role was in all this. Arthur asks Tracy to step outside so he can talk alone with his son. Arthur explains that the events of Nathan’s last two weeks are part of his destiny and pats him on the shoulder. Nathan shrugs him off and says it’s the same garbage that Linderman spouted. Arthur says the destruction is already coming and he has the formula that will stop it. Arthur says that Nathan has always been the strong son and they can save the world together.

Sylar telekinetically shatters Elle’s chains and she tells him to take her power and kill her so the pain will stop. He says that her father made her a monster just like his mother made him a monster. He says she saved him but Elle says she only saved him so they could use him as a lab rat. He forgives her and says that she needs to forgive herself. She considers what he’s said and realizes the pain is gone. He holds up his hand and generates electricity.

Peter confronts Knox and Flint and says they can let her go or they’ll die. He glances up at the ceiling where a gas pipe is leaking. Peter taunts Flint into releasing a ball of flame gas and Knox tries to stop him… too late. Claire runs away with Peter as the gas jet blows Knox and Flint back.

Elle and Sylar are sitting together and Elle admits nobody has ever done anything like that for her before. He explains that it’s human to be at war within and the trick is to figure out how to deal with it. She holds her hands up and they exchange a bolt of electricity, but he admits he doesn’t have it all figured out yet. She offers to show him a few tricks and he quickly becomes proficient. She moves closer to him to direct his aim and he thanks her, and she thanks him. Arthur is watching them on a monitor.

In Tokyo, Ando tries to explain to Hiro how to teleport. Hiro teleports away and appears behind Ando, then does it again. Ando says now he needs to teleport both of them and suggest they go to Odessa, Texas. Instead Hiro teleports them to a comic book store and starts going through the racks.

Nathan leaves Pinehearst, telling Tracy what Arthur told him. Tracy says that he’s a senator with a constituency relying on him. She tells him to snap out of it and they need to go to the Department of Justice, but Nathan notes that the last time he tried to go public, his brother came from the future to shoot him. Nathan says he’s going to Primatech to check on his mother and flies off.

Tracy goes back into Arthur’s office and says she thinks they can help each other. She wants him to protect her and in return she explains that he needs a public face and everyone believes he’s dead. Tracy says Nathan can be that face but he’s on the fence, and she can push him over.

Daphne watches helplessly as Matt sees the visions that Angela experienced of Nathan, Peter, and Tracy dying. He finds himself in an empty Pineheart room and looks down the hall to see Angela sitting in a chair, handcuffed to the arms. She tells Matt he shouldn’t’ have come and warns that Arthur is too dangerous. Matt tries to free the handcuffs without success and gets one door open. Daphne walks in and says she’s there to help him, and hugs her. Then she stabs him in the chest. In the real world, Daphne listens as Matt says “Daphne don’t” and flinches in pain. She tries to get Matt to wake up and discovers blood on his chest.

Mohinder is recording notes on the test subject and apologizes to the man. The subject begs for death and Mohinder gives him an injection.

Hiro is reading Marvel comic books and notices an issue of 9th Wonders with him on the cover. Ando doesn’t believe it reveals the future but Ando opens it and shows him first a picture of Arthur attacking him, then a picture of them in the comic book store having their discussion. Hiro finally believes him and they turn to the next page, which shows the eclipse and the words “It’s coming.”

Peter goes into the room to see Angela and Nathan arrives. Angela tells them that Arthur has the formula and explains that she and Peter have seen the future. She says that there’s a third piece of the formula, a catalyst, and it’s hidden away in the blood of a human host. Kaito is the only one who knew the host, and he’s dead. Matt says all they need to do is make sure Arthur doesn’t find the host. Claire remembers when Sylar attacked her and said she was different from everyone else. Now she understands that she’s the catalyst.

During almost a montage sequence it shows the Heroes and Villians choosing their respective sides.

In the end, we see in Angela's Room:

Peter Petrelli
Nathan Petrelli
Claire Bennet
Matt Parkman
Daphne Millbrook

While in Arthur's office we see:

Tracy Strauss
Knox
Sylar
Elle Bishop
Flint Gordon.

With his team around him, Arthur, in a precognitive trance, is drawing a sketch of the eclipse. He looks up and says “It’s coming.”

Oh my. Here comes a war.

That Empathy comment is going to blow up this site. =P--Riddler 21:07, 17 November 2008 (EST)

I wouldn't doubt it. Mike 22:24, 17 November 2008 (EST)
It kinda fits though. Titan3510 23:29, 17 November 2008 (EST)

Arthur, utterly full of crap

Ok, can someone count the number of statements made by Arthur in this episode that conflict directly with things previously stated in the series? His entire conversation with Nathan seems to be exclusively lies. (Nathan was BORN with abilities, Nathan was always his favorite son...)--Falcomadol 21:37, 17 November 2008 (EST)

It depends, Angela said the opposite so now all we have to figure out is which parent is lying, and which one is telling the truth. Dracomaster4 22:05, 17 November 2008 (EST)
Yeah, I agree Falcomadol. How is your favorite son going to be the one you tried to kill? I think Angela's telling the truth, based on Arthur's track record. And when he erased Angela's memories in the last episode and Linderman restored them, Angela probably remembered that he forced her to do a lot of things, covering his tracks in the process. So do you guys think that Arthur made Angela agree with him on injecting Nathan with the formula or, possibly, attempt to drown Sylar. Titan3510 23:34, 17 November 2008 (EST)

It was Angela who suggested the injection. In Truths. And Arthur argued back and forth with her.--ERROR 16:39, 12 June 2009 (EDT)

Test subject

Is this a previously identified character that anyone recognizes?--Falcomadol 22:02, 17 November 2008 (EST)

Based on the hairstyle, I presumed it was the drug dealer. Dracomaster4 22:10, 17 November 2008 (EST)
But the drug dealer's African-American. Not to mention dead. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 22:11, 17 November 2008 (EST)
We sure the drug dealer is/was dead? Maya was "cocooned" (for lack of a better term) just like the drug dealer, and she didn't die.
Plus, Mohinder 'kidnapped' him as essentially a test subject... Mike 22:16, 17 November 2008 (EST)
The drug dealer's lifeless body and the huge, thick trail of blood he left behind is a dead giveaway, no pun intended. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 19:07, 18 November 2008 (EST)
I think it is Iron Arm (Metal Mimicry) man ==Dumpster juice 22:29, 17 November 2008 (EST)
That was the other possibility I thought when I saw him. Mike 22:30, 17 November 2008 (EST)

The actor is Glen Strange (one "n," no existing IMDB credits) and is listed as "Elephant Man." No such actor has appeared on the show... or anywhere else. Maybe he's related to location manager Jason Savage?==Gadfly 22:35, 17 November 2008 (EST)

He does have some similarities (check out his "metal" teeth), but the homeless guy was kidnapped by The Company, not Pinehearst, and also, they're attemting to infect normal people with abilities, so the subject logically would have been a normal human.--Falcomadol 23:58, 17 November 2008 (EST)
...Elephant man? Could they possibly be referring to Joseph Merrick? Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 23:08, 17 November 2008 (EST)

Uluru anyone????? --HandsOffMyPeter 22:33, 18 November 2008 (EST)

The explosion

When Peter tricked Flint into throwing a fireball at an open gas line and an explosion occured, the flames vanished as Flint got back on his feet. Is this an new aspect of pyrokinesi? Can Flint manipulate existing sources of fire. Titan3510 21:11, 23 November 2008 (EST)

A few questions

I was kind of distracted this episode, so I'm not sure I understand everything correctly. And I missed a few minutes after the first commercial break. First of all, what is this catalyst people are talking about? Claire's the catalyst? Do we know what that means yet? Second... actually, that's pretty much it. >_<; Anyway yeah. That's my question... but other than that, great episode. (of course I say that every week) Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 22:03, 17 November 2008 (EST)

Actually, there is one more question. And I know this is on everyone's minds: How the heck did Sylar absorb lightning? I imagine it's a new aspect of intuitive aptitude... but how and why it manifested, I'm not really sure of yet... Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 22:05, 17 November 2008 (EST)
The catalyst is a secret third part of the formula, needed to correct it. I think they said it's synthetic, hidden in the tissue of a human being and Kaito was the only one who knew who that person was. Claire thinks it's her because of what Sylar said to her. JackOfBloodyHearts 22:06, 17 November 2008 (EST)
and that makes me believe it's not claire but ando... he has something to do with this season--cookie 22:16, 17 November 2008 (EST)--cookie 22:16, 17 November 2008 (EST)
Kaito gave HRG Claire after the fire, perhaps that is where Kaito was able to hide the catalyst in her. But the mention of Ando possibly being the Catalyst makes sense as well. It would explain why Kaito kept him around in New York, kind of like watching over it to make sure nothing happened to him, and it would explain why he was watching over him in the Graphic Novel where Ando started dating Hiro's sister!
and best of all, it can explain the future hiro saw involving him--cookie 22:29, 17 November 2008 (EST)
I believe Sylar was always able to absorb powers by touch, however, he never touched his victims before, until after he threw them to a wall and cut open their heads and touched their brain. The one exception I remember is Jackie, however she had no power. Dracomaster4 22:09, 17 November 2008 (EST)
It's got to be something more than that though... perhaps it has something to do with the emotional connection Elle and Sylar had at that moment? Sylar never shared that with anyone, ever, as far as I can tell. Except maybe Angela. ...WHICH WOULD POSSIBLY EXPLAIN WHY ANGELA WAS IN SYLAR'S DREAM. But that's another theory... Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 22:13, 17 November 2008 (EST)
Yeah, when I was trying to explain to my brother how Sylar was able to get her power, and mentioning how Arthur called it using his empathy, he thought I was saying that Sylar had empathic mimicry. But I think that this aspect of his ability might be that through emotional connections (remember, Peter tried to get at Nathan's brain to understand his emotions?) he can absorb abilities... Mike 22:24, 17 November 2008 (EST)
I think that Gabriel's ability is just more generalized than he previously believed. His power is the ability to transfer abilities. This can be accomplished in various ways be that empathic mimicry, or cutting someone's head open and studying them.--Falcomadol 00:01, 18 November 2008 (EST)

One last question, actually... did Arthur use mental manipulation to remove 15 years worth of memories from Hiro's mind? Does that mean that Peter has, indeed, absorbed mental manipulation? Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 22:32, 17 November 2008 (EST)

Could be. Or it might be advanced telepathy. The line between the two abilities has become blurred. JackOfBloodyHearts 22:38, 17 November 2008 (EST}
I assumed it was a power he previously had, the same one that allowed him to erase Angela's memories. Lindsaynickel 00:32, 18 November 2008 (EST)
What they said^ We know Arthur can mess with memories based on Villains (which chronologically comes before here) --Matchu 04:31, 18 November 2008 (EST)
Yeah, it is conceivable Arthur used mental manipulation. Peter bonked the Haitian on the head while in the future, and knocked him out, so I think that's when he got his power (the Haitian's ability appears to require concentration, so he wouldn't be using it when asleep). Arthur absorbed all of Peter's abilities, so that's one way Arthur could have obtained the Haitian's ability.--MiamiVolts (talk) 21:56, 23 November 2008 (EST)

9th Wonders...

HOW are those still coming out? The artist is DEAD, unless someone with his abilities just happened to decide to continue the series... JackOfBloodyHearts 22:04, 17 November 2008 (EST)

I always imagined Isaac made a whole bunch of comics before he died. Whoever's publishing them could have a whole warehouse of Isaac's comics that are just waiting to be issued into circulation. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 22:06, 17 November 2008 (EST)
Perhaps there's multiple precogs much like there are multiple Heroes GN artists. Dracomaster4 22:07, 17 November 2008 (EST)
There are additional precogs in the database that haven't appeared on the show yet. The more interesting question is who is arranging for another precog to take over the book ;)--Falcomadol 22:13, 17 November 2008 (EST)
Isaac gave the comic delivery guy his sketchbook. Maybe that's the source? Or it could just take a long time for the comics to get translated and sent to Japan. -- Mike 22:14, 17 November 2008 (EST)
I could've sworn he gave the delivery guy the raw sketches of the last issue Isaac completed, which was Hiro killing Sylar. I was wondering where these "extra" issues are coming from as well. GabrielPetrelli 02:42, 18 November 2008 (EST)
For all we know Isaac could have painted that issue even before season 1. Or does anybody actually see a date on the cover? If not, it could have been an older issue that just happend to be there. --Tordmor 07:59, 18 November 2008 (EST)
The final inked artwork that Isaac gave the to the courier (Hiro in the future) just before he died was issue 15. The issue at Sam's Comics in this episode was issue 16. There must be a new artist.--Falcomadol 11:22, 18 November 2008 (EST)
There's no reason that Mendez couldn't have done dozens of issues after 16 and onward, and then come back and inked 15 - allowing the publishers to run all the remaining issues in sequence. On the other hand, in an interview, one of the writers said that Mendez could not draw past his own death. --Nigelhenry 19:37, 19 November 2008 (EST)
Both good points. He could have "roughed out" and scripted the pages before his death for many more issues. The writer comment may have been true at the time, but obviously they no longer give a crap about keeping any sort of continuity.--Falcomadol 08:08, 22 November 2008 (EST)
Here are some raw caps from 9th Wonders No 16, note that they're 720 line caps, not 1080. I seem to be getting much better caps when I use my cable box to downscale the images than when I output in native resolution. Maybe if I capped the broadcast feed instead it would be a little better than going through my cable company. I'll have to think about that. I love cap 6, btw, where we see the guy at the counter in the comic shop recognizing Hiro, which we only saw in two frames in the show. Anyone know what the heck is going on in cap 7? Also, I have 2 and 3 swapped, because I'm defective.--Falcomadol 11:35, 18 November 2008 (EST)

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I dunno, the artwork seems a bit different from Isaac's stuff in the first and second seasons, though that might just be because NBC changed their comic book artists. Anyway, why not a Japanese future-painter (calling it "precognition" is kinda weird since it's more complicated than that) who just happens to call his local comic "9th Wonders"? ...Or maybe, as Dracomaster4 said, "someone" is intentionally hiring "precognitive" (yeah, I know) artists to draw 9th Wonders. The only reason anyone ever wants to know what the future is is so they can change it...--Cosmic AC 22:23, 19 November 2008 (EST)
First it's a western style comic book (left to right panels, western aspect ratio, they aren't printed flopped in Japan, they just translate the text, or actually they sell a lot of greymarket english comics as well), second it would be kind of odd for a Japanese comic with a coincidental title to just coincidentally release issue 16, which would be the next logical issue in sequence.--Falcomadol 12:18, 21 November 2008 (EST)
Good point. I had forgotten (within one year of taking a class in Japanese language) that Japanese books are read right-to-left and that, for artistic reasons, English translations are also right to left. Also the fact that this is in California AND Japan. Oh well. As of the most recent episode, it has been shown that these are indeed Isaac Mendez's comics, and the next issue is the one that was given to the Chosen Bike Messenger. --Cosmic AC 16:33, 6 December 2008 (EST)

Caps

I'm starting to cap now. Let me know if you want something specific.--Falcomadol 22:15, 17 November 2008 (EST)

Get some of Sylar in the exam room with Elle (like when she was taking it out on him for "The anger.. The betrayal." And when he was testing out his new power and - holy crap - smiling).
Can you get some of The two "Teams"? Team Pinehearst and Team Primatech?

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  • Is it just me or does this painting look EXACTLY like Isaac's painting of the eclipse? Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 22:42, 17 November 2008 (EST)
    • Heck, it IS Isaac's painting of the eclipse... wow, they got lazy on this one. xD Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 22:43, 17 November 2008 (EST)
      • At least they rotated it a bit ;)--Falcomadol 22:47, 17 November 2008 (EST)
      • If you look at the cap of Arthur's drawing of the eclipse, it is also exactly the same. There is either massive reuse of art assets, or the exact shape of the eclipse has some significance.--Falcomadol 00:05, 18 November 2008 (EST)

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  • Ok, that's it for tonight. Some of the images are double-sized in case someone wants to crop them to a different format. Also if someone has more photoshop ability than me, the NBC logos on the two teams of heroes could be dusted out.--Falcomadol 23:55, 17 November 2008 (EST)

Lead image

My proposal: Arthur looking at Usutu's painting of the eclipse. Or perhaps, the villains standing around Arthur as he paints the eclipse himself. Thoughts? Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 22:50, 17 November 2008 (EST)

I second either of these, since they were exactly what I was thinking of. Pick one and I'll put it up.--Falcomadol 22:52, 17 November 2008 (EST)
I rather like the image of the villains and Arthur. :) Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 23:10, 17 November 2008 (EST)
Perhaps an image of the 9th Wonders! comic that had the Eclipse and underneath it the words "It's Coming". Arthur looking at Usutu's painting would also work, I think.--MiamiVolts (talk) 01:28, 18 November 2008 (EST)
To actually get that image you'd have to stitch two frames together, and it would no longer be in the appropriate aspect ratio. Great thought though.--Falcomadol 11:40, 18 November 2008 (EST)

Worst line of dialog ever

When Claire says "didn't you hear? I'm the defensive player of the Year" I could feel my spine shatter. That wasn't the worst line I have ever heard but it was the worst I've ever heard on Heroes. ModestOddesy 0:20, 18 November 2008 (EST)

  • When I heard that, I cringed so hard that I think I blew a blood vessel. The poor delivery didn't help it either... Bloodbath 1:01 18 November 2008 (EST)
  • To be honest, I didn't mind it. Assuming she said this to Flint and Knox as Peter was "running" away, I think it was just to annoy or distract them. --Dman dustin 01:06, 18 November 2008 (EST)
    • I guess I'm with Dman on that one. I chuckled a little when Claire said that.--MiamiVolts (talk) 01:23, 18 November 2008 (EST)
      • I liked it. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:05, 18 November 2008 (EST)
        • I thought it was cool. I didn't think it was corny or anything. It was cool because you wondered what she was going to do after she said it. Then she jumps out of the window and it brings you back to thinking, "right, she can utilize any escape method she wants without fear". --Denali 13:01, 20 November 2008 (EST)
  • Personally I thought the line was a little contrived and claire definitely could've come up with a better pun or something. Also, I think the escape method she used was just plain stupid. WHY, if the object is to let peter escape from the goons, would claire dive out the window on exactly the same side of the bldg where peter just left from? Obviously Knox and Flint are gonna see them running away... Thelink 16:49, 20 November 2008 (EST)

Reference?

I'm not sure how common "Chicken and Waffles" are but, there were "Chicken and Waffles" in a movie called "Larry the cable guy: Health Inspector" I'm not entirely sure it's a reference to that movie or not, I just found it interesting because I watched the movie yesterday (sunday). And I saw Chicken and Waffles in today's episode --Dman dustin 01:03, 18 November 2008 (EST)

This is a common Hollywood reference. In LA there is a chain of restaurants called Roscoe's Chicken and Waffles. As far as I can tell, it's more or less like a Denny's in that it's always open and attracts a well defined crowd of people late at night.--Falcomadol 11:10, 18 November 2008 (EST)
When I saw this, I immediately laughed, because "chicken and waffles" is definitely a black thing. Roscoe's is is "the hood" and is infamous for being "famous black food". Snoop Dogg brought David Beckham there for some food. I'm sure Larry the Cable Guy was referencing to the Roscoe's restaurant, but the meal itself is famous from Roscoe's, but is otherwise known in African-American culture.--Bob (talk) 06:32, 19 November 2008 (EST)

So much contrived plot to tolerate in this episode

First of all, I am sure viewers have noticed by now how Deus-ex Sylar and Arthur are. Arthur technically does not even need minions since he can do anything and everything in no time with his time-stopping and teleportation ability. What's even more amazing is the fact that he has not utilized his time travel to simply go back in time to power-boost himself earlier to make whatever goal he has in mind easier to accomplish. --Bunnyblaster 06:24, 18 November 2008

  • That could be in order to avoid the "butterfly effect". As long as Arthur believes his plot to unfold successfully he will not threaten it by changing the past and risking his success by some small overlooked detail. --Tordmor 08:15, 18 November 2008 (EST)
  • Not to mention he could have "telepathied up" his best friend Mr. Linderman whose ability is to heal all wounds. Ilan

If anyone had noticed, Team Pinehurst kind of outguns the company by far by having Arthur and Sylar. Really, if anything in Art of War is followed, the battle is lost before it is fought. --Bunnyblaster 06:24, 18 November 2008

  • However Sylar is an unstable factor in team pinehurst since he still wants to be a "good guy". Just as Nathan is an unstable factor in team primatech (Actually we should call them "Team Arthur" and "Team Angela"). For that matter even Arthur himself is an unstable factor since he obviously still loves his wife even after she tried to kill him. --Tordmor 08:15, 18 November 2008 (EST)
    • Or at least apparently still loves her. I'd count Daphne and Elle as "mole-like" as well. You have several characters here that really could go either way. Add Flint, who has always wanted to be a company man (he just likes using his powers, he doesn't seem to particularly care what for), and Tracy who is a political operative, and probably just wants to be on the winning team, and you've got six swing players.--Falcomadol 11:17, 18 November 2008 (EST)

I don't understand the need to make Sylar's power more powerful like Peter's. Nathan is just plain stupid. Hiro is starting to annoy me as a character. I used to think very highly of his character in season 1 and 2; always providing a fun comic relief that was likable. However, this season he is just stupid and an ass. -- Bunnyblaster 06:24, 18 November 2008

  • I'm hypothesizing that Arthur won't be brought down by force — that love and redemption will have a role to play in this, as it has for Sylar. Perhaps too Star Wars-like for some, but why else would Arthur have freed Angela? --Torley 01:42, 19 November 2008 (EST)
  • Well, he needs to find the catalyst. He knew there was a third component to the formula at that point, and he also knows that he can defeat Angela at pretty much any time, as long as the Haitian isn't near him (where is the Haitian, btw? we haven't seen him in a few episodes). If he believes that the catalyst is someone in Angela's inner circle, then freeing her would be a step towards obtaining the catalyst.--Falcomadol 12:23, 21 November 2008 (EST)
  • No matter how powerful you "think" you are, you'll always have minions. The purpose of minions is to have them do the dirty work. Why would someone so powerful bother with "work" would you could force some "minions" to do it? As for anything else, someone else can answer.--Dman dustin 02:23, 18 November 2008 (EST)
  • We want "Future Hiro" back! --Tordmor 08:15, 18 November 2008 (EST)
  • I agree that Hiro was better in the first and second seasons. He went from loveably goofy to "wacky hijinks" and it lost me.--Falcomadol 11:18, 18 November 2008 (EST)
  • Yeah, Hiro is too much of a self-parody now. He hasn't really developed — infact, he's regressed. Would like to see him get some character development! --Torley 01:40, 19 November 2008 (EST)

Tracy's character is pointless

Tracy's offer to manipulate Nathan strikes me as dumb to someone like Arthur who essentially has mind control abilities. If Arthur intended to manipulate someone, he wouldn't need any blond to help him. Look what he did to Angela. Without Linderman betraying Arthur, there is really no stopping mind control. Considering how effortlessly the Arthur can use his power, there is no reason for him to need manipulative people since he's such a schemer himself. -- Bunnyblaster 06:29, 18 November 2008

Then again Arthur definitely seems like the patient (not to mention sadistic) type - he might even enjoy watching his son being manipulated by someone he is starting to care a lot for. Also, with that logic, he won't need Sylar, Flint, Knox or Elle either. Unlike the rest of them, Tracy also sided without being asked/told/persuaded/blackmailed/etc. Why wouldn't he accept someone close to his enemies within his stab?
By giving Arthur so much power, the writers sure have put themselves in a difficult position, but I definitely don't see any more problem with Tracy than with anyone else, in this perspective. (This might of course partly be since I'm starting to become a great fan of Tracy, while I couldn't stand Niki :) ) --Pierre 16:32, 18 November 2008 (EST)
  • Even though Arthur is ridiculously powerful at this point, he might still need others to help him with things for various reasons. For instance, he may need several things done at once, or not want to do the 'dirty work' himself. There's also the idea that having people do your bidding is a form of power so, without minions, he would lose some of his non-ability power. Then there's the possibility that, even with all of his abilities, he would have problems dealing with several adversaries at once. His two most potent powers for dealing with this sort of thing would be space-time manipulation and poison emission. The former could be negated by Hiro (assuming he gets his memory back...which Matt might be able to do for him...or more likely Ando will guide him through it). And for poison emission (and STM, and everything else, in fact) there's still the Haitian to consider. --Stevehim 19:25, 18 November 2008 (EST)

Something tells me that Tracy has more up her sleeve then just manipulating Nathan and being on the winning side. That whole scene of Tracy extending her 'services' to Arthur seemed both out of place and out of character.I may have missed something, but it seems like just yesterday she was crying and wracked with guilt over the death of Jim McCann, even to the point of almost turning herself in! She seems like one of the good guys to me, particularly when she first manifested and was trying to control her power; I cant remember specifically but i even think she said something along the lines of 'i want to be good'. All of this makes me think that Tracy is planning on double-crossing Arthur somehow. The one point of contention to this is Angela's first dream, where we see one of the Triplets on the side of the villains, but of course that could be Barbara. Thoughts? Thelink 12:36, 19 November 2008 (EST)

  • I'd say it's perfectly within her character. She showed that same manipulativeness and power seeking when she was introduced. The shock of the killing pushed her into a temporary down but as she said to Arthur she recovered from it and is her former self again. --Tordmor 12:47, 19 November 2008 (EST)

Review

I thought it was a good transition episode. I liked the way the writers weaved the story tonight, and all the self-referencing. For me, it was much better than some of the episodes at the beginning of this season, but not as good as last week's flashback episode.--MiamiVolts (talk) 01:34, 18 November 2008 (EST)

  • IMO, the weakest episode of Volume 3 so far. Not bad, but not that interesting either. Matt's story was kinda lame, my once-favorite Mohinder continues in who-cares limbo, Claire and Peter had some nice scenes, but nothing special. Tracy, and Sylar-Elle were the two bright spots. I'm really worried for the Hiro's new storyline though - I've always thought of him as the by far most overrated character on the show, but I fear this is getting really stupid... Also - I really missed Meredith and Noah.
    Looking forward to the Haitian's return, more Tracy, and more Petrelli family businesses in the next episode :)--Pierre (talk) 18:53, 18 November 2008 (EST)

NYC Alley Painting

The split world graffiti was already in the NYC alley when Peter and Claire ran by. Any guesses who painted it? An unknown precog? Did Usutu visit America before we were introduced to him? Is Arthur so bored he's running around the city playing with his abilities? GabrielPetrelli 02:45, 18 November 2008 (EST)

  • We've been seeing this same image for quite a while all around New York now, but this one was a little different. Compare it with the split world that was on the docks when Mohinder's powers manifested.--Falcomadol 11:20, 18 November 2008 (EST)
    • As fun as it is to imagine Robert Forster moonlighting as an inner-city graffiti artist, I think the intention is to show that all of the unknown precogs are predicting the same major event.--Tim Thomason 21:09, 18 November 2008 (EST)

Arthur memory wipe

So I take it that Arthur used telepathy to wipe most of Hiro's memories?

Also, it's been bugging me for the whole series, does anyone know how Nathan healed from Peter's gunshot wounds at the beginning of the season? DismantleRepair 18:40, 18 November 2008 (EST)

  • I have a feeling Future Peter (unknowingly, I might add, due to his surprise) used Healing (absorbed from Linderman sometime previous). We have no conclusive answer though. GabrielPetrelli 18:54, 18 November 2008 (EST)
    • That's my theory too. I doubt he knew of Linderman's ability, so he wouldn't have known he was able to heal others either. That's the most likely time for it to manifest, while standing there over his dead brother and coping with the emotional ramifications of what happened. Lindsaynickel 19:02, 18 November 2008 (EST)
      • Intriguing how Arthur apparently beheaded Usutu but didn't do the same to Hiro, or attempt to (pull his head off). These kinds of questions will likely go unanswered, but I wonder what Arthur and Kaito's relationship was like — maybe he wanted to go a little easier on young Mr. Nakamura. Even with all of Arthur's powers, we're seeing he's vulnerable to emotion too. --Torley 01:48, 19 November 2008 (EST)
Peter did encounter Linderman at least once: in Villans he was at that party in the past and Peter had been manifesting his copy of Angela's power for a while before Genesis so he probably copied that one at some point when Linderman was over and just never accesed it as he probably was unaware he had it. He's accesed other powers that we were unaware he had at various points: for example he accesed DL's phasing to get out of his ropes and his cell but he never saw DL use that but must've absorbed it on Kirby Plaza when DL was nearby. That means he probably also had Micah and Molly's abilities too but never accessed them. He had all of Sylar's abilities at the time of Homecoming (question: why didn't he just mimick telekinesis while faced with Sylar that time because Sylar was using it so he was exposed to it and could have used it then also???) and just didn't know how to access them all. All Future Sylar did was help him tap into the copy of Intuitive Aptitude he'd had all along. He also apparently mimicked Flint's power while inside Jesse's body which was interesting so he probably also had Knox, Jesse and The German's powers at the very least too. He's been exposed to (and likely absorbed) many powers over time and who knows how many more his future self had gotten. He was likely exposed to Linderman's ability and just accessed it finally when it seemed like the end for Nathan.
  • My theory is that he didn't die on the table at all, and Maury simply used his power to convince the surgeon and Nathan that he had. Linderman's presence proves Maury's presence. Thanatos 17:00, 21 November 2008 (GMT)

New actors and characters

          
          

I can't find an image of Glen Strange anywhere. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:07, 18 November 2008 (EST)

I think Glen Strange is Glenn Hetrick. If you look at his filmography, he's been credited as "Glenn Strange" in a lot of productions. Not to mention he's a special effects artist for Heroes... this is just a hunch from his filmography, I'll look more into it and get back to you. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 23:16, 18 November 2008 (EST)
Oh, I didn't realize there was already an article here about him... but yeah, there you go. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 23:17, 18 November 2008 (EST)
Good call! What's funny is my wife (who has studied stage makeup for a few years) was really impressed with the prosthetics for the guy. I actually told her, knowing who does the special effects makeup, "Glenn Hetrick must have had a field day with that one!" Ironic... -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:35, 18 November 2008 (EST)

Images

Is it necessary to have those images in the synopsis? I don't remember seeing images like that in other episodes. Intuitive Empath 04:25, 19 November 2008 (EST)

There are more, but one example is the page for Four Months Ago.... Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 20:23, 20 November 2008 (EST)

Sylar's Theme

Did Sylar's theme change from ticking clocks to a bell? When he's outside of Elle's cell, you can hear the ticking, but as the show goes on, whenever he speaks you hear this clanging bell. When Elle speaks, the sound is different. Could be a sign that Sylar's gone and Gabriel's here to stay? Or maybe it means he's no longer a watch, he's Big Ben. --Mistyjo 05:52, 19 November 2008 (EST)

Sylar's theme has always been a bell. From season one. The ticking clock is heard when he uses intuitive aptitude. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 09:27, 19 November 2008 (EST)

Nikki and Zach?

Should Nikki and Zach be added to the character appearances section for this episode? They both technically appeared briefly in the flashbacks of the eclipse that were shown at the beginning of the episode. I don't know if that really counts though... Thoughts?--Cairoi 19:23, 19 November 2008 (EST)

  • We have always begun the count when the episode picks up from the previous episode, or when new content is shown. That's why Chandra was not included in the appearance count for Villains. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:02, 19 November 2008 (EST)
    • Gotcha, makes seance to me!--Cairoi 19:23, 19 November 2008 (EST)

Commentary

In the cast commentary for It's Coming, they mention that the Previously on... section is written in the script, and the recaps are done by the assistant editors with instructions by the writers.--MiamiVolts (talk) 03:02, 26 November 2008 (EST)

  • Thanks, Miami. Good info. I liked how they added a line for Arthur in the "Previously on" for The Eclipse, Part 1. The line really clarified what he did to Hiro--he said that he had to erase Hiro's memories (I'm paraphrasing). I don't think that was ever said in It's Coming. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 08:22, 26 November 2008 (EST)

Arthur killing Usutu

Question??? How did Arthur kill Usutu??? I know he decapitated him but how did he do that, with which power??? When I saw that I thought it was probably Knox and was surprised to see Arthur there. My theory is he used Peter's copy of Niki's super-strength, but its never stated.

Probably super-strength of some sort. Either from Niki (via Peter), or from Knox (copying it with Peter's empathy, since he obviously didn't steal it outright). Since we've seen Knox use his power to decapitate (Claire, in the dream) this was probably the same or similar application. --Maelwys 08:58, 27 November 2008 (EST)
Yeah I figure he used Peter's copy of Niki's power. Knox's requires fear to operate. Jessica did rip people in half, so ripping off heads shouldn't be a problem. I just wish they'd stated it outright though.

Ando not understanding the words "It's Coming"

I thought that Ando could speak fluent english?? well then why didnt he uderstand "It's Coming" in the comic book when Hiro asked him what it meant...I thought that was weird.--Harrypotter1994 23:15, 28 November 2008 (EST)

  • He knows what it means, but he doesn't know what the meaning of it is.--Citizen 23:21, 28 November 2008 (EST)

Thanks for that I now get it. --Harrypotter1994 22:12, 1 December 2008 (EST)

parallels.

I love the parallels at the end of this episode. they show all the primatech-ers standing around angela, and then when they show the pinehearst-ers coming in, they show arthur, then flash back to angela, then tracy, then her primatech equivalent, nathan. then sylar, and peter, elle, and claire, matt, and knox (past in deleted scenes from villains), and (possibly not as good as the others), daphne and flint. - Tristan0709 17:04, 8 December 2008 (EST)


Ando's leap at Arthu

Did any one notice Ando's superhuman leap at Arthur before Arthur caught him it was very abnormal.--Datnymonster 21:34, 31 January 2009 (EST)

Watchmen inspiration?

Did anyone notice that when Elle blasts Sylar just before the opening credits it' shot and look exactly the same as when Doctor Manhattan is torn apart in the time chamber and created.

  • Yes. And I'm sure the writers knew that too. They probably wanted it to be similar.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 09:25, 30 August 2009 (EDT)