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Sylar's Shirt

Did anyone notice how Sylar's shirt looks very "designed" for just being blood from his neck?

I want it, it's awesome - Arkillion

And can someone put my caps on the Images for this episode?

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- Sylar uses his Telekinetic abilities on Noah Bennet after Reviving from having his throat slit.

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Claire watches as her father has his throat cut open by an unwanted intruder

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Mohinder looks at a badly beaten Flint after returning from Maya's address with his powers returned. -- Arkillion 19:22, 2 December 2008

What do we do about Sylar's lineage?

Does Noah's word outrank Arthur's/Angela's? All seem to have equal motives to lie at this point. --Stevehim 22:12, 1 December 2008 (EST)

  • I have no idea... I think it's best that we leave it the way it is for now, until more concrete evidence other than Noah's word comes into play. Plus, Peter is still apparently Gabriel's brother in the future. Finally, it's the word of Arthur and Angela against Noah... Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 22:23, 1 December 2008 (EST)
    • Agree. Leave it alone for now. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:09, 1 December 2008 (EST)
      • can we put "Currently unknown"?--Anthony Gooch 23:15, 1 December 2008 (EST)
        • Leave it the way it is for now. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 23:24, 1 December 2008 (EST)
          • By the way, I just want to say how much I'm not buying what Noah said. He's never really been a bastion of truth, especially when his own hide or the hide of his family is on the line. Plus, that would mean that both Angela and Arthur have gotten together to tell the same lie, even though they are leading opposing teams. Hmmm... -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:11, 7 December 2008 (EST)
      • I agree we should leave it the way it is for the moment, but wanted to broach the subject, as the canonicity is a tenuous matter. --Stevehim 23:31, 1 December 2008 (EST)

ok,ok, fair, but one more thing, everyone in the future still thought waffle flipping Sylar was next of kin, so why the sudden change...did Peters time trip cause that possible third brother bubble to burst? thoughts? comments?--Anthony Gooch 00:59, 4 December 2008 (EST)

  • Well, yeah! The first thing Peter did after visiting the future was go see Sylar. He and Sylar had lots of conversation, specifically about the future. Much of that conversation led Sylar on the path he's on right now--including his reformation, his affair with Elle, and his trip to the Bennets' house where he was told new information about his parents. Life has changed dramatically for Sylar since Peter returned from the future--nay, because Peter returned from the future. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 01:11, 4 December 2008 (EST)

Lead image?

Not entirely sure what we should use for the lead image... using an eclipse again just seems wrong... I'm drawing a blank, anyone have any suggestions? Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 22:36, 1 December 2008 (EST)

  • I'd suggest using the image of the eclipse going away, if that translates to a still image. It doesn't feel right having an image with no relation to the title.--Tim Thomason 22:47, 1 December 2008 (EST)
    • Actually, I was thinking of something less obvious, but still along the same lines. For instance, maybe the shot of the light coming in the window and falling on Claire and Sandra. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:10, 1 December 2008 (EST)
    • What about the moment the sunlight hit Claire's face reviving her?--Anthony Gooch 23:15, 1 December 2008 (EST)
      • GMTA. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:23, 1 December 2008 (EST)
        • lol, Did i write that before you or was i just oblivious to your post?--Anthony Gooch 23:56, 1 December 2008 (EST)
          • You actually accidentally deleted mine to add yours. It happens when you start editing the page, and then I start editing the page. Then I save my edits first, and you save your edits second. It doesn't happen often, but it happens sometimes. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 10:53, 2 December 2008 (EST)
          • Just uploaded the pic of the Eclipse crossing Claire's face, and her reviving. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 12/2/2008 08:08 (EST)
            • Ugh, another image of the eclipse as the lead image? It looks really bad in places like here. And a bit obvious, if you ask me. I'm going to revert it back to HDS's image of Claire reviving--that way it shows the effect of the eclipse rather than the actual eclipse. Bonus points for showing the light coming from the eclipse. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 10:56, 2 December 2008 (EST)
              • I always thought that the image for The Eclipse, Part 1 (unrelated, but somewhat related) should have been Hiro and Matt looking up into the sky with Hiro saying "it's starting". Maybe this comment should go on Part 1, but, hey, they're both eclipses. --DocM 13:22, 2 December 2008 (EST)

Best. Day. Ever.

  • Since there is disagreement as to the format of the "Best. Day. Ever." quote, before it can be re-added to the memorable quotes there must be consensus on the format. It seems there is a disagreement as to whether it should only be attributed to Sam or both Sam and Hiro. Please discuss. (Admin 00:44, 2 December 2008 (EST))
    • If it's spoken separately by two individuals at two different times, it should be listed as two separate quotes. Since the quotes are listed chronologically, they should be placed chronologically within the overall sequence. (They may be back to back, but even so they should be listed separately.) That seems consistent with previous usage, as far as I can tell. Listing one quote and two separate speakers is just confusing: it doesn't tell the readers when it was spoken, and almost makes it sound like it was spoken by both speakers simultaneously. Which... isn't the case, right? So I'd say it should be attributed to both, but it should be clear they said it on separate occasions. I'd also note the closed-captioning punctuation is Best-Day-Ever, but CC isn't always trustworthy... -- (Gadfly 00:55, 2 December 2008 (EST))
      • I would list it like this:

"Best. Day. Ever."

- Hiro/Sam

That is all. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 01:02, 2 December 2008 (EST)

        • Again, that doesn't make it clear to someone unfamiliar with the episode if they said it simultaneously, or at two separate times. And if it's spoken at two separate times, and given the existing format is to list all quotes chronologically, they should be separated to fit the existing format. -- (Gadfly 01:05, 2 December 2008 (EST))
      • Anyhoo, do it however it needs to be done. I think that takes care of the synopsis and all the quotes I could come up with for tonight. Catch ya next week! -- (Gadfly 01:25, 2 December 2008 (EST))
  • I gotta say, that was possibly one of the Best. Lines. Ever. --Yamawhata? 16:53, 2 December 2008 (EST)
  • To me it seemed like the lines were not said exactly the same way. I don't udnerstand japaneses, but the subtitles translated it as three words, broken by periods. (I know, i know, CCs arent always reliable...) When Sam said it, it seemed more like, "Best day, Ever." There was definitely a pause. I realize the lines were probably meant to be the same, but to me they were slightly different. Thelink 12:15, 3 December 2008 (EST)

maya

just wondering, for use on my cast changes subpages, what was Dania Ramirez credited as in this episode, having not seen it yet? was she regular, special guest, or uncredited? - Tristan0709 01:04, 2 December 2008 (EST)

  • I believe she was listed at the beginning of the credits with all the other principal cast members. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 01:11, 2 December 2008 (EST)
    • Yup, she was credited in the regulars cast list. -- Gadfly 01:11, 2 December 2008 (EST)
      • wow. that's kinda weird. we have maya, who appeared as background to other charcters in 5 out of the first seven episodes (cocoon wasn't really acting), then takes three episodes off, then appears as a regular again. on the opposite side, daphne has appeared in every episode except Villains, and practically drove the story in Dying of the Light. strange how things work. so would you think that, in terms of main cast, maya was removed from the regulars and brought back, or was a regular the whole time but didnt appear (like practically everyone in season 2) - Tristan0709 01:22, 2 December 2008 (EST)
        • Yeah, that's the way things go sometimes. Maya may have been in more scenes that got deleted/edited out of the episodes before they aired.--MiamiVolts (talk) 01:37, 2 December 2008 (EST)
          • What's interesting is that being a principal character has less to do with how many appearances a person has, and more to do with what your contract says. In the first season, James Kyson Lee appeared more times than all but three of the principal cast members, yet he was not considered principal. That was changed in the second season. Somebody like Stephen Tobolowsky appeared in all but one episode of the second season, yet he was never considered a principal cast member. On the other hand, Kristen Bell appeared in only half the episodes her character's father appeared in, yet she was a principal cast member. Even odder, she's already had more appearances in season three than she did in season two--yet she was principal in season two, but not in season three. Likewise, Brea Grant (not principal) has appeared in more episodes than Dana Davis (principal). The reigning champ,though, would be Ashley Crow, who outranks every one of the former principal cast members, is tied with one principal cast member, and trails the rest by only a few episodes. I suppose in the end, it's all about the Benjamins. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 02:58, 2 December 2008 (EST)
            • Yeah i agree, things are weird like that. I can understand regular-ness for the sake of importance (ie Sandra didn't carry her own storyline except for distractions - unexpected), but i think simone should have been a guest star and ando a regular in season one. and i agree for bob in season 2. niki didn't deserve to be a season two regular either. bennet was upgraded to regular in fallout, yet sylar wasn't. although i'm glad they are keeping the same cast so far this season, except for the aforementioned in/out of Maya, i think it would be interesting to see a constantly changing group of regulars, like molly walker for some of season two, and daphne and arthur for now. the way it is now, we already know that primatech will beat pinehearst because all the primatech people are regulars, except daphne, and sylar and tracy are the only pinehearst regulars, with elle, flint, knox, and arthur all guest stars. - Tristan0709 03:43, 2 December 2008 (EST).

Review

Very cool episode. It was great to continue seeing Peter think for himself, and going back to the scene on the Deveaux rooftop was a nice touch. Also a couple nice surprises: 1) Looks like Nathan is going to the dark side, but it didn't take any bamboozling from Tracy for him to do so; also, Sylar killing Elle so easily was surprising...I expected her to put up a bit more of a fight (oh well).--MiamiVolts (talk) 01:37, 2 December 2008 (EST)

  • But is Elle dead? The look on Sylar's face at the end of that scene seemed to indicated Sylar stopped because he realized what he was doing. Sort of like "What am I doing?" look because he looked surprised/shocked of what he was doing to Elle. At least that's what it looked like to me. --Dman dustin 02:08, 2 December 2008 (EST)
    • I guess he could have stopped, but I got the impression he killed her.--MiamiVolts (talk) 02:16, 2 December 2008 (EST)
      • I don't think elle is dead. many have speculated that she is noah gray's mother, and the writers said they would address that again in around ep 10-12 (i think). so elle might not be dead. oh, and kristen bell is special guest star next week too. - Tristan0709 03:46, 2 December 2008 (EST)
        • She's probably playing, y'know, her dead body. --Ciwey 07:21, 2 December 2008 (EST)
          • Pretty sure that's it. Bloodbath 15:07, 2 December 2008 (EST)
  • A better question would be, why would Sylar kill her? He already understands her power. His "hunger" has never driven him to kill people when he has nothing to gain before, at least early on when he viewed non-powered with scorn more than homicidal rage. And of course, Sylar demonstrated he could "change" even before he lost his powers: that's how he got Elle's power in the first place. So the entire thing was kind of out-of-sync there. --Gadfly 07:47, 2 December 2008 (EST)
    • He doesn't want her power. He wants to know the truth about his parents. --Ricard Desi 16:38, 3 December 2008 (EST)
      • Sylar has never gained the memories of his victims by cutting open their skulls in the past. --Gadfly 23:11, 3 December 2008 (EST)
      • But who's to say he couldn't? Certainly the area of the brain that holds memories is as equally susceptible to Gabriel's aptitude as the part where he 'understands' the ability from? I think its just a matter of Gabreil knowing what he's looking for. Plus, this makes the most sense to explain sylar's recent lobotomization attempt on Elle. Thelink 12:23, 4 December 2008 (EST)
        • But if you'll notice, Peter did the same thing to Nathan in the Exposed Future. He wanted (nay, needed) to understand Nathan's motivations, so he cut open his head. --Ricard Desi 02:37, 4 December 2008 (EST)
    • Did any of Sylar's powers reset due to the eclipse? When he was infected with the Shanti virus, he lost (nearly) all of his acquired abilities.--Falcomadol 13:11, 3 December 2008 (EST)
  • Did anyone said boring? Boring! I was bored. Not even close to the exciting episodes of the first season. No suspense. No thrill. Power this, power that... --Fakeometer 04:01, 8 December 2008 (EST)

Bogus Cliffhanger

The irritating part was the "fake" cliffhanger. Noah has a clear kill shot at the end of Part 1. But here, clearly at least some time has passed *ahem* since the end of the previous episode. Since Elle and Sylar are mostly undressed and are clearly post-coitus. Why'd he wait? "Last meal" consideration for the soon-to-be dead targets? --Gadfly 07:56, 2 December 2008 (EST)

  • I agree. I haven't had many problems with writing holes or even characters going from one side of the US to the other in record time, but this one is SO obvious. HRG has his finger on the trigger and we know one of them is dead, but somehow 15-20 min. (at least) pass and then we see the sniper laser? It's even the same writers who wrote both episodes, COME ON!--Mistyjo 10:18, 2 December 2008 (EST)

Heck, I would have taken the packing knife and kept on cutting until Sylar's head came off. Is he really just hoping that Sylar's powers will never come back, or that there's no time limit on how long you have to be dead once they kick in? For that matter, why does Noah spare Elle? He shot her in the hip earlier, he knows she's a sociopath, he probably knows she got Sylar to kill again or at least stood by and let him kill (at the car rental place). She's stuck in the elevator, banging on it and screaming, so he must know she's there. Instead he just walks way after killing Sylar. Like he doesn't figure she'll come gunning for revenge if he spares her? --Gadfly 11:19, 2 December 2008 (EST)

    • Maybe he wanted her to suffer.
    • Actually, it seemed to me that HRG really just had the vendetta against Sylar for (mentally) 'raping' his Claire-Bear. He shot Elle in the hip earlier because they were running away and he was really just aiming at both of them in attempt to slow them down, or at least hit one so he had a trail to follow. I don't think HRG really has that much hatred for Elle, irregardless of how 'evil' she may be. HRG isn't exactly Santa Claus himself... Thelink 22:39, 2 December 2008 (EST)
  • Perhaps Noah decided to just enjoy the show for a bit? Revengeance 11:16, 5 December 2008 (EST)
      • I think the thing was that HRG and Elle are (somewhat) close. If close is what you call it. But back to the point, HRG probably still cares for Elle on some level, despite having shot her. Titan3510 19:01, 5 December 2008 (EST)

New Footage

So were the scenes of Kaito and Young Hiro new? Or just recycled footage from Season 1? --Gadfly 07:55, 2 December 2008 (EST)

Recycled I think with Claire and Present Hiro added in.
I doub't it from the camera angles. Why would the shoot from through the window in season 1?

If so, it seems odd they were credited. Rena Sofer etc. weren't credit for their flashback/recycled footage in Villains. --Gadfly 11:20, 2 December 2008 (EST)

Yeah - t was new footage --Pierre 15:46, 2 December 2008 (EST)
  • It's new footage. The original child Hiro was Garrett Masuda, but Sekai Murashige portrayed Hiro afterwards, and is seen in Eclipse, Part 2. He speaks Japanese better than Garrett, which is why he was replaced. --Bob (talk) 02:47, 4 December 2008 (EST)

Peter!!!!!!!!

I'm just wondering if Peter is going to have his power back!!! What will happen to him? did he recovered his ability? ...--Themd 14:38, 2 December 2008 (EST)

No, he didn't get his power back. --Acolyt3 14:40, 2 December 2008 (EST)
I wonder if he can still mimic powers of those in proximity? He was near both Peter and Samedi but didn't demonstrate having powers. That makes me wonder if Arthur left Peter unable to mimic additional powers? --Torley 03:43, 3 December 2008 (EST)
He has no powers. Bloodbath 05:37, 3 December 2008 (EST)
And how are you so sure? We have no evidence that anyone Arthur took abilities from still do not have them. In addition, we have no evidence that anyone who could take powers still have them. --Ricard Desi 16:40, 3 December 2008 (EST)
So you think that Peter has just been absorbing powers this whole time but has, for whatever reason, decided not to use them? I think it's possible that he could have them back now post-eclipse, but i'm sure that when Arthur took his abilities...he took his core ability and all the ones that he had learned. Bloodbath 21:44, 3 December 2008 (EST)
Not at all. I'm suggesting that when the eclipse ended he may have regained his empathic mimicry, which would have allowed him to pick up flight, mental manipulation, and impenetrable skin. Not saying he did, but it's a possibility. --Ricard Desi 02:38, 4 December 2008 (EST)
I'm not sure what you mean by the second statement, but Arthur seems pretty convinced that his power absorption is complete and permanent, and I believe that's all the evidence we need unless proven otherwise.--Tim Thomason 19:26, 3 December 2008 (EST)
In regard to Ricard saying we have no evidence anyone who could take powers still have them: Sylar was able to use telekinesis after the eclipse. I would think Arthur has all the ones he has absorbed. It's unclear whether Peter or Maya have regained their ability. It was never shown and since Maya and Peter thought their powers were gone, maybe they didn't try to use it again after the eclipse. All I am saying is it's not clear at this point. I think that would be great if Peter had regained his empathic mimicry and absorbed mental manipulation, impenetrable skin and flight. --Denali 09:13, 4 December 2008 (EST)
To be fair, Sylar has kept his telekinesis when all other powers have disappeared anyway. After he recovered from the Shanti Virus, he had intuitive aptitude and telekinesis. ...actually, as I'm typing this I'm only just realizing that Sylar clearly has rapid cell regeneration too. Nevermind! --Ricard Desi 12:09, 4 December 2008 (EST)
In reponse to Tim, Arthur is smart but doesn't know everything, he was blindsided but the events of the eclipse, he had no idea their powers would return in the first place. He may have thought it was permanent pre-eclipse, but nothing was shown to disprove this theory since the eclipse ended. --Denali 09:13, 4 December 2008 (EST)
They said in the BTE interview, don't remember which week, that it would "not be so easy" for Peter to get his powers back. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 09:14, 4 December 2008 (EST)
As much as I personally would love to see Peter get his powers back, he was very strong, and very agressive. Almost to the point of being mentally unstable. I am, however, grateful that he is involved in every episode. --Cngodles 11:41, 4 December 2008 (EST)

Third episode that ended the same way

With a character being cut off in the midst of saying 'Holy sh--.' --Stevehim 15:18, 2 December 2008 (EST)

  • And it hasn't gotten old, either. ;)--MiamiVolts (talk) 15:25, 2 December 2008 (EST
    • Agreed.  :) --Stevehim 15:26, 2 December 2008 (EST)
      • And to think that just the other day, I was thinking about the line and how it hadn't been used this season :).--Citizen 16:02, 2 December 2008 (EST)
        • It's a funny line. Especially when Claire says it.--Onehardrocker 19:41, 2 December 2008 (EST)
        • I would like to see Hiro end the next episode with this line, except in Japanese. --Denali 09:47, 4 December 2008 (EST)
          • Hiro has said this a few time in Japanese, or a rough translation of it. He says, "大ピンチ" which literally translates to "Big pinch", but is often used the same as the curse that Claire and Noah have used, as far as I understand it. He used it when he was stuck six months ago, he used it when he was stuck in the 1600s, and he used it right before Usutu hit him with a shovel (the second time). Those are the ones I remember, there may be more. I should also point out that graphic novels have done their own version of the same thing. See Image:You lying sack of sh.JPG or Image:Abigail's Forcefield elle lightning.jpg (which used to have a great little joke, but it got edited out--poorly, I might add). -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 10:47, 4 December 2008 (EST)
            • lol, that's right, I forgot about "pinch"! --Denali 11:00, 5 December 2008 (EST)

Series on an upswing?

The previous episode in my opinion was easily the worse in the series. Terrible dialogues. Huge leaps of logics. The way they were trying to turn Sylar, no of the most interesting TV villians ever, into a good guy was depressing. This episode restored some of my faith in the show. They killed off Elle, who IMHO is just annoying. And Sylar is back to his evil self--and a free agent of sort too.

A show like Heroes need to deal with weighty philosophical issues. Otherwise it turns into pointless melodrama revolving around stupid revelations. I thought the conversation between Peter and Nathan, the latter's sudden epiphany, provide this necessary moral dimension. Do we as human have enough integrity to be entrusted with extraordinary power? If we can play god, do we have a duty to do so?

I really hope all this will go somewhere and not end in a dud like season 2. --Borowki 17:47, 2 December 2008 (EST)

  • Well, to be fair, it's not like they expected season 2 to end where it did, and they've been having to clean up the shattered pieces of that mess for a while now. They've still got dead wood that they should have killed off.--Falcomadol 13:16, 3 December 2008 (EST)

Cracking open Claire

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  • Is it noteworthy that the doctors are probably the ones who killed Claire since you would never open up a patient and shock their heart to treat septic shock?  :) --Action Figure 19:07, 2 December 2008 (EST)
    • No, that's a bit speculative. We don't know what else was wrong with her or why they opened her chest. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 19:18, 2 December 2008 (EST)
      • I really don't think so. I watch a lot of medical shows and cracking the chest is usually a last ditch effort but is only ever really used if there's like a blood clot or something. I think the writter's may have made a mistake when they wrote that in but that's all. - WarGrowlmon18 00:26, 3 December 2008
        • Do you have a medical background? -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:04, 2 December 2008 (EST)
        • Yes; no offense, but I find it kind of ironic that you criticize a supposed medical inaccuracy in the show if your only knowledge of the subject comes from other television shows. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 22:00, 2 December 2008 (EST)
          • Additionally, please sign your posts from now on. You've been told already... Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 22:02, 2 December 2008 (EST)

I've tried to do that but can't get it right so I've given up. And yes, I did just see that on a medical show, but its a medical show not a fiction show like Heroes. --WarGrowlmon18 03:11, 3 December 2008

  • Actually, they're still fictional shows. And is it that hard? All you have to do is type ~~~~. Come on now. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 22:15, 2 December 2008 (EST)
    • Actually I don't mean shows like ER I mean shows on the Discovery Health Channel. Those shows aren't fictional.--WarGrowlmon18 11:13, 3 December 2008 (EST)
  • Don't bother typing, just hit the signature button. It's the 2nd from the right along the top bar. --Matchu 22:24, 2 December 2008 (EST)
    • It looks like this. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:32, 2 December 2008 (EST)
      • Why does it even matter? Bloodbath 05:36, 3 December 2008 (EST)
        • Why does it matter to sign posts? So we know who says what. Since discussion is the lifeblood of a wiki, it's our policy that comments are appropriately signed. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 08:35, 3 December 2008 (EST)
          • Yeah, but there are some people here who seem to take offense to someone not signing their posts. Bloodbath 21:46, 3 December 2008 (EST)
          • It would be nice to have it automatically sign posts, but I agree it is an important thing to have on a discussion forum. --Denali 10:35, 4 December 2008 (EST)
            • Then it's a question of "where does it sign?", and when you edit stuff on the page it would have to be disabled, as well as when making edits to comments on the discussion page instead of adding comments... it's way too complex a set of "yes/no" situations to justify that. Don't be lazy, it's six keystrokes. --Ricard Desi 12:32, 4 December 2008 (EST)
              • Or four keystrokes if you don't want dashes in front, or even just a single mouse-click.  ;) I think the reason people get a bit annoyed is due to a buildup of people not signing their posts. Even though it's in the welcome post we all get, it's a fairly common mistake upon first coming here (I know I failed to do it for a bunch of my first posts) and even after being here for awhile when it's become second nature to sign posts, mistakes can be made (eg - when moving a post to another page a few days ago, I forgot to re-sign it). But when it becomes a constant thing, either with one user or several, the rest of the community has to spend time going back to sign the signatures, and it's not as easy as if it were done in the first place. We have to go to the history page, find out whose post it was and when it occurred, and then go edit the discussion page, adding all of that information. That can add up to significant amounts of time that would be better spent doing a host of other things that need to be done, and can also get a bit tedious. --Stevehim 05:42, 5 December 2008 (EST)

New Actors and Characters

          
          
          
          

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  • I'm pretty sure one of the Haitian girls is named Vivian or Vivienne or some other similar sounding name. That's what they were yelling when they were reunited, no? --Ciwey 06:15, 3 December 2008 (EST)
    • At what part did you hear a name? I didn't hear anything clear. Unless we get a name, we should use the names they were credited with, I guess. "Older Haitian girl" and "Younger Haitian girl". -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 08:29, 3 December 2008 (EST)
      • At 34:50, the scene where Peter, Nathan and the Haitian walk through the forest with the girl they rescue. One of the girls says, "Vivian/Vivienne?", then a male voice (presumably the Haitian) says something in French, then the girl says, "Vivian/Vivienne" again before they embrace each other. --Ciwey 08:45, 3 December 2008 (EST)
        • Good call! It sounds like its the younger girl who is calling Vivienne's name. I'll update the names now. I guess we can just call the younger one "young Haitian girl". By the way, you can read a blog entry about Tatiyana Cotton to learn a bit about the character's future. :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 10:46, 3 December 2008 (EST)
          • Shouldn't the younger girl's page be named "Vivienne's sister" then, with "older Haitian girl" and "younger Haitian girl" redirecting to their respective pages? :) And interesting to see that she's going to be on the show for three more episodes. --Ciwey 19:41, 3 December 2008 (EST)
            • That'll work. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:56, 3 December 2008 (EST)
              • Oy. I just got an email from Sonalii Castillo and she said that her character (the older one) is named Marie, and the younger girl is named Vivienne: "The only change is that I played the older sister and her name was Marie, and the little girl is Vivienne. The only time you hear my name is at the end when we are reunited and the Hatian calls my name. "C'a c'et Marie". Everything else is accurate." I'll make changes now. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:34, 31 December 2008 (EST)
  • Wait, why is he an "Odessa police officer"? If that's one of the cops who came into Claire's hospital room, wouldn't he be a Costa Verde police officer?--Paronine 08:07, 3 December 2008 (EST)
    • Dang, you're right! I forgot where they were. So much for editing when I'm tired, eh? I'll change it now.
  • Incidentally, the drug store clerk's name is on his tag. I can't read it. Dustin Hess said that his character's name is Sam. I'll use that name for now. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 08:29, 3 December 2008 (EST)

Samedi's 'demise'??

So what's the offical consensus on what happened to the Haitian's bro? Personally I really don't think he killed him, but may have done a memory wipe like Arthur did to Hiro. Whatever it was, it seemed more serious then simply knocking him unconscious; Samdi's eyes rolled back in his head and he kind of swooned before he fell. Thelink 23:02, 2 December 2008 (EST)

  • I have my theories, but I don't think we're able to say that he's dead, if that's what you're asking. All we can say right now is what we saw: The Haitian put his hands on his brother's head and rendered Samedi unconscious. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:18, 2 December 2008 (EST)
    • I don't think the Haitian is so cruel as to kill his own brother, despite all of his bad deeds, but I would think rendering his brother harmless through a memwipe or other "I can't hurt people anymore!" technique would be fair. --Torley 03:28, 3 December 2008 (EST)
      • I think the Haitian (are we ever learning his name?) left him in a persistent vegetative state. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 09:23, 3 December 2008 (EST)
        • I think the Haitain wiped his mind completly. Didn't kill him, but just erased all of his memories and things. Peter and Nathan both wanted to kill him (cool scene with Peter with a gun, but I'm not surprised he couldn't hit the broad side of a barn) and the Haitain wanted to finish the job himself. Also Nathan said something about him making a sacrifice after he stopped his brother. -- --WarGrowlmon18 16:11, 3 December 2008
        • The Haitian mind-wiped Samedi, most probably, but did he let him in the village or did Samedi will be locked in again in Level 5 again? User: Jethap

Emo nurse hair?

Has anyone else noticed that lately, now that Peter's hair has grown out a little, that they kind of have him comb it like it was in season one. Also Ive seen recent interviews with Milo and his hair is starting to resemble the season one hairdo. haha I doubt any of you really care, but it was just a thought that crossed my mind--Cairoi 23:08, 2 December 2008 (EST)

  • Yeah, I noticed it on this episode. It's not really as big as it was in season 1 though. Bloodbath 05:32, 3 December 2008 (EST)
  • I hope they don't bring that back. It made him look like a lost teenager. --FlamingTomDude 01:46, 3 December 2008 (EST)

Where's Knox?

Where the hell has Knox been all this time? We haven't seen him for like 3 episodes. Usually him and Flint are attached at the hip, but we haven't seen Knox since him and ol' Sparky went on a mission to catch the Catalyst (which they failed at miserably btw, lol). Perhaps he got scared once he knew what it felt like to be powerless once more... Thelink 23:12, 2 December 2008 (EST)

  • Maybe its possible that he went to New Orleans for one reason or another. The original storyline for Knox was that he was a gangster in New Orleans and eventually he would fight Monica who was to have a sort of Batman and Robin storyline going on with Micah. That was all cut though due to the new direction of season 3 in which the writers felt that Micah and Monica didnt fit. There are rumors that Monica is supposed to reappear in the volume finally of Villains. So maybe they are trying to set that up? I'm not sure though...--Cairoi 23:19, 2 December 2008 (EST)
    • Yea, i do remember reading about that. That would be very interesting, if they decided to resurrect that plotline; I always though Monica's plotline sounded like it had some potential, especially with the St Joan Tie-in, since she was in 9th Wonders!. Maybe with the heavy 9th wonders plotline of tonight, they will somehow bring that back in? Thelink 12:12, 3 December 2008 (EST)

Sylar & Elle on the beach? Observations...

I wonder why Hiro teleported them there! It was a total WTH moment for me. They didn't even really talk about what just happened aside from the "Hiro Nakamura..." but it was a pretty romantic location until what happened at the end. What an eventful day it was for both of them, of course.

I crack up sometimes because of the mix of styles used in Heroes — this ep got very meta and self-referential at points because of the Ninth Wonders comic books, and Hiro sometimes seems as if he exists in his own world, oblivious to evil and staggering around like a lost child (recently, literally), but eventually taking decisive action. I can see how that would be confusing to someone expecting more of a single-toned drama or comedy, but I like all these elements. I also think it's intriguing how few times he and Claire have met. (I spotted a 1st-gen Gameboy in little Hiro's hands!)

Misc. note: I'd like to see Arthur lose his temper. He's almost always so calm with that authoritative voice, including when Mohinder came back with his tail tucked between his legs. --Torley 03:33, 3 December 2008 (EST)

Why did Sylar kill Elle? His killing has been about power before, and he already had her ability through empathy, correct? I am finding it hard to see the motivation behind his actions on the beach. --Dundasbro 10:25, 3 December 2008

Although there has been some awkward writing for the Sylar/Elle relationship, I think it is pretty clear that the last couple of day's stress, then the dying, and finally Noah's claim that the Petrellis AREN'T his parents after all, kinda pushed him over the edge into insanity... Regarding the hunger, this season has shown that it is primary a hunger for knowing how the abilities work, not a hunger for the actual abilities. --Pierre 08:44, 3 December 2008 (EST)

I won't mourn Elle until there's confirmation she's dead. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 09:24, 3 December 2008 (EST)

Agreed. Habeas Corpus!! Thelink 15:31, 3 December 2008 (EST)

Why didn't Elle explode into lightning as her skull was cut open, like what happeened when Sylar did the exact same thing back at Level 5? --Gadfly 23:10, 3 December 2008 (EST)

I think that's because she had control of her powers at that moment. On a side note, did anyone think Elle's head wound looked extremely superficial? This gives me hope. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 23:13, 3 December 2008 (EST)
I agree. It looked like only skin was being cut. Compared to when she was attacked earlier and Peter attacked Angela and Nathan, there was a lot less blood involved. I'm getting very hopeful. Titan3510 18:53, 5 December 2008 (EST)
Another thing. If she was being killed, why didn't Elle scream. I bet a lot of pain is involved when your the top of your skull (not to mention skin and all those blood vessels) is being cut off. I mean know, Charlie really didn't scream back in Seven Minutes to Midnight but that's an exception. Now that gives me hope. Titan3510 18:59, 5 December 2008 (EST)
I have a theory that Elle isn't dying or going to die, because she didn't scream but it was more like an orgasmic (Yes sorry to be blunt) scream. I'm not sure what to say, Sylar seems evil again but when he attempted to cut her head off, he stopped as if he was exhausted, he either stopped due to his love for Elle, or stopped because he was going to give Elle a power & or find out how he got her power, via her brain. Meh Arkillion 02:49, 6 December 2008

Comic book?

What was the comic that Hiro grabbed in addition to the 9th Wonders! ones he purchased? --Stevehim 11:09, 3 December 2008 (EST)

  • I think it was probably Red Hulk.--WarGrowlmon18 11:28, 3 December 2008 (EST)
  • Im quite sure (i paused the picture) that it was Ultimate X-men 96 :)--bebak 11:24, 5 December 2008 (EST)

Drug Store scene

Was anyone else kind of weirded out by the whole drug store scene where Sylar brings Elle in after she gets shot? First, the scene opens with that one clerk making gun noises and pretending his price-marker was a weapon. And then when he asks Sylle if they need any help, Sylar dumbly and tactlessly says, 'No, thanks' and (literally!) throws money at the guy! Don't get me wrong, I definitely thought the scene was funny, a nice way to lighten up the seriousness of the surrounding events, but what was the point?
At first I thought maybe without his superior intellect, Sylar was actually an idiot, much like Daphne, without her power , was actually crippled, but this doesn't hold much weight as we saw Gabriel was clearly still capable of (at least) average intelligence (he knew bennet would follow them, he planned the 'trap' for him in the warehouse, etc) Yea these plans didn't end so well, but he's obviously not a dullard.
Idk, whatever the reasons, the scene seemed a little...odd to me. Oh, and for the record, that place seemed more like a supermarket then a drug store, but with Superstores these days, it coulda been anything :-p Thelink 12:12, 3 December 2008 (EST)

  • So Sylar is stupid because he paid a store clerk to leave?--Citizen 15:12, 3 December 2008 (EST)
  • No, it was the way he did it. He actually took money out of his pocket and threw it. He didn't try to talk to the guy, or actually go up to him and try to make up some story, he just said, 'no, we're fine' and threw some bills. If he had his ability i think he would have handled the situation better, UNLESS this tactless display was precisely part of his plan to lure HRG. Thelink 15:30, 3 December 2008 (EST)
    • I'm not understanding how it is that this tactic was "tactless" or "dumb". He wanted the guy to get the hell away from him, but didn't want to resort to killing some random in a crowded supermarket. So he threw money at him to get him to leave. He doesn't have time to convince the guy of anything. --Ricard Desi 16:46, 3 December 2008 (EST)
    • the part that is tactless is that he THREW it. It wouldve taken him 10 seconds to go up to the guy, explain that him and his wife were having some sort of trouble (pregnancy issues perhaps?) and that the paramedics were already on their way. Maybe grease the guys palm with a few lincolns, lol. But it just seemed very...abrupt and strange the way he handled the situation. Thelink 17:47, 3 December 2008 (EST)
      • He was obviously stressed out and his energies were focused on wrapping up Elle and figuring out how to elude Bennet, not calming down some store clerk. He threw whatever money he had in the hope that it would buy him some time before the police were alerted. He's human, not some super-criminal genious, so I can imagine him throwing the money AND "setting" a trap (not much of a trap, btw).--Tim Thomason 19:19, 3 December 2008 (EST)
      • A powerless Sylar and wounded Elle were being stalked by a Noah Bennet, a trained agent with a gun only minutes behind them. Wouldn't you be abrupt and in a hurry too? I think the theory of Sylar being a moron without his power is baseless and irrelevant. --Denali 11:11, 4 December 2008 (EST)
        • He probably thought the Clerk was gunna be like "What are you doing with those bandages?" and call the police, so he threw money at him to pay for them. Megalomania 22:52, 5 December 2008 (EST)

That's what I was thinking.--ERROR 18:16, 12 June 2009 (EDT)

Nathan flying Samedi into the car

What was the point? Didn't he know about Samedi's ability? Bloodbath 21:22, 4 December 2008 (EST)

  • It left Samedi pretty dazed. I haven't seen the episode yet (I'm in New Zealand) but from what logic I can pull out that would be my best guess. He was probably doing something unexpected. Didn't Peter and the Haitian knock out Samedi's men while Nathan flew him into the car?--FlamingTomDude 00:30, 5 December 2008 (EST)
    • Agreed, I think it effectively "stunned" Samedi for a few moments so his brother could get up close to mind-wipe. As a side note, did anyone else notice how Baron Samedi is also the same name for the character in Goldeneye 007 for N64? (I loved that game!) --Denali 11:04, 5 December 2008 (EST)
      • I thought Nathan was going to fly very high with him and them accelerate down, saving himself in the last second while throwing Samedi down. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 12:34, 5 December 2008 (EST)
        • Ya, considering the range of stuff Nathan could have done to him, the car-ramming trick was pretty weak. Honestly he could've flown him out to the middle of a lake and dropped him 1000's of ft. But I like the above rationale that it stunned him so bro Haitian could get close (lol i love how in context everyone but petey and nathan are haitian but he is THE Haitian) Also, as THE Haitian said earlier, it was his fight (to finish). Thelink 19:16, 5 December 2008 (EST)

"Save the Cheerleader..."

Are there any other Japanese speakers out there? I know the subtitles said for that scene "Save the Cheerleader" but when I listen to the audio over and over again, the word Hiro uses for "save" does not sound like anything else but "tsukue." And "tsukue" means desk. Does anyone else exactly know the word he used? Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 23:13, 6 December 2008 (EST)

  • I'm Japanese and if ur talking about the part where he grabs claire and teleports, he says "sukue" which means "to save". I guess it could sound like "tsukue" though :/ - Mike 23:42, 6 December 2008 (EST)
    • Wow, that makes a lot more sense. Thanks! Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 23:43, 6 December 2008 (EST)
      • No problem :) - Mike 23:46, 6 December 2008 (EST)

Hiro's memories

Did he already begin to get them back when reading about what he's done in the 9th Wonders! comics? How else would he know that it wasn't a real dinosaur?  ;) --Stevehim 11:53, 7 December 2008 (EST)

  • There was probably a mention of it in a 9th Wonders! issue, Frack and Sam mentioned Claire at Kirby Plaza from there. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 15:26, 7 December 2008 (EST)
    • Yeah, that's how I understood it. It implies that if you read all of the 9th Wonders! back issues, you would essentially learn the same things a person would learn by watching three seasons of Heroes...more or less. At least, three seasons of stories that involved Hiro, even tangentially. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:09, 7 December 2008 (EST)

Whoops?

The episode takes place in March 2007 (like everything else from Seasons 2-3), and when they go back to 1992, it's referred to as "16 years ago". --Ricard Desi 02:33, 8 December 2008 (EST)

  • Shouldn't that be Volumes 2 and 3, since volume 4 starts 2 months later? (ish).--Mc hammark 06:48, 3 May 2009 (EDT)

The Hospital

Which Hospital is Claire in? Is she in the Odessa hospital or the St. Joseph's Hospital of Odessa? Because its not noted in either of these, and if its niether, i understand, but if its one of these, this needs to be in it. --Iheartheroes 23:14, 12 August 2009 (EDT)

  • If you're talking about when she was shot, I thought she in Costa Verde?--Catalyst · Talk · HL 23:28, 12 August 2009 (EDT)
    • Claire was in the Odessa hospital after Brody's accident. She also visited her mother there after Sandra had a mental breakdown. After Nathan was shot at the press conference, he was taken to St. Joseph's Hospital of Odessa. It's not known whether these two hospitals are the same or not. (Personally, I don't see any reason to believe they are since they look rather different.) Claire was shot during the eclipse and was taken to a hospital in Costa Verde. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:54, 13 August 2009 (EDT)
      • Oh, my bad. So is the hospital in Costa Verde, does it have a page with this description? --Iheartheroes 10:53, 13 August 2009 (EDT)
        • No, I don't think it does.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 11:03, 13 August 2009 (EDT)
          • Does it need one? --Iheartheroes 11:07, 13 August 2009 (EDT)
            • I think so, seeing as we have every other hospital seen in the show. But I could be wrong and we don't need one.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 11:18, 13 August 2009 (EDT)

Hiro was ALWAYS going to be the Catalyst

Although it was thought that Claire was the catalyst, she died on the operating table which would have caused the catalyst to disappear, so she never would have been the catalyst; it was always going to be Hiro wasn't it? --mc_hammark 14:09, 31 August 2009 (EDT)

  • Yes, but really, no one had it until Hiro came...see, the concept is that no one in the present had it until Arthur. So, in reality, Ishi Nakamura had it; Hiro went back to get it based on the 9th Wonders! magazine he got at Sam's Comics; Arthur somehow knew to go back to that time and get it from Hiro. No one had the catalyst since Ishi died until Arthur came back to the present. Hiro wasn't really meant to have it. Ishi had it. She died, so no one had it until the time period that Arthur went to. But Hiro just happened to be there to get it from his mother, which then Arthur stole. Arthur was meant to have it. Maybe not for good reasons, like Ishi and Hiro, but he was meant to have it. That's how I feel about it. --Iheartheroes 17:18, 31 August 2009 (EDT)