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You guys ever check the Alexa rankings?

http://alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?url=heroeswiki.com Out of all the websites on the internet, I'd say this site is doing pretty damned good. =]--Riddler 00:04, 23 October 2007 (EDT)

  • I do check them from time to time for fun, but who needs their estimates when I publish the real information? :) (Admin 00:07, 23 October 2007 (EDT))
    • True, but this compares with other sites as well, and I'd say the number (which I believe is getting better) is pretty good. =P--Riddler 00:10, 23 October 2007 (EDT)

Power Image Cats?

  • Are we going to make image cats for all of the powers, for example Category:Images of Electromagnetism? Because if we are, I'd be more than happy to get it going.--  Lost Soul   talk  contribs  08:11, 24 October 2007 (EDT)
    • Category:Powers Images is what we use.--Bob (talk) 10:16, 24 October 2007 (EDT)
      • Okay. I asked because I thought it might be good to separate them into sub-categories. A lot of work, yes, but it would make it easier to search for images. Fair enough, though.--  Lost Soul   talk  contribs  10:19, 24 October 2007 (EDT)
        • Well, a while back, I went ahead and made the Cats for the main characters. My only issue with subcategories is a) making a category for something like liquification that only has one or two images, or b) when we have these long debates about names of abilities and renaming occurring so often. For example, Monica's ability was named something, then moved at least four times since last week. So I just don't feel too good about having people then making a bunch of categories that aren't necessary, yanno? But for some of the more established abiities (telekinesis, telepathy, empathic mimicry), I wouldn't have a problem with that. Just adjust the Template:image-screenshot to take parameters for the powers and that sounds like a good idea. (If you decide to do this, make sure to add some nicknames to the template, like "regeneration" instead of "rapid cell regeneration" or "stm" instead of "space-time manipulation"...my two cents). I'm sure you'll get help if you decide to embark on this.--Bob (talk) 12:07, 24 October 2007 (EDT)
          • You make good points, and I get what you're saying. I'll get to work doing it if other people say it's a good idea....--  Lost Soul   talk  contribs  12:10, 24 October 2007 (EDT)
            • Sounds good. I'll help when I can. I know when I did the character cats, I did it on a weekend since most people will be around to help. I'll help, but I work and have school, so I dunno how available I'll be. But if you want to hold out until the weekend, that sounds good. That way you can get some feedback. I like the idea, and it will definitely help when doing example pages for powers. I'd suggest any powers that are in this template.--Bob (talk) 12:15, 24 October 2007 (EDT)
              • I got a week off, which is why I'm on so much! But sure, I can wait.--  Lost Soul   talk  contribs  12:18, 24 October 2007 (EDT)
                • I personally don't see any need for it. I mean, if somebody wants an image that shows electromagnetism, examples of electromagnetism should have every image, is much more organized, and includes a brief description of each image. Changing the title of a page (which happens often with the newer powers) is not that big a deal--it only really requires tweaks to about 4 or 5 pages. Changing the name of a category is a much bigger deal because every image needs to be updated, and then the old category needs to be deleted. I know Category:Powers is huge, but I'm not a fan of splitting it due to the mercurial nature of the names of some of our powers. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:38, 24 October 2007 (EDT):(

2000th Article!

We should probably write a small news about that! We reached 2K articles :) -- Frenchflo.gif (talk) 15:55, 25 October 2007 (EDT)

navbar

Keeping the navbar at the bottom might be the way it's done on other pages, but it messes up the layout when a new comment is added. Plus, I kind of like it at the top for a non-content page. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:43, 27 October 2007 (EDT)

  • Yeah, I liked it at the top, too. And the way it avoided problems when new sections were added was very nice, too. (Admin 23:47, 27 October 2007 (EDT))

G4 Post Show

Well, I am officially the first host on the G4 Heroes Post Show. Man, it's going to be cool! They have a lot of really great things planned, some of which I'm not allowed to say quite yet. All I'll say is that I think we're going to be talking about the Post Show quite a bit on this site. From what I'm gathering, we will be referencing the Post Show about as much as we reference the CBR Behind the Eclipse interviews.

For those of you who don't know about the Post Show or G4 yet, Season One will air in a marathon on G4 on Saturday and Sunday, October 27th & 28th at 12 pm EST. Then, there will be a mini-marathon on Saturday, November 3rd, where G4 will air all episodes of Season Two thus far (episodes 201 through 206). Finally, at 11 pm EST, the Post Show will air. (See here for more information.) This is cool--it's a live and interactive segment that will feature exclusive interviews with members of the cast and crew, live viewer commentary, interactive polls, behind-the-scenes footage and a whole bunch of other stuff which I can't divulge. Even better, the episodes which air on Mondays will be repeated on Saturdays on G4 (at 10 pm EST) for those who missed it the first time around, or who just want to relive the experience. The Post Show will also air weekly, with new content, new interviews, new cast and crew members, and plenty more for us to discuss on those late Saturday nights.

So how can you be involved? Well, if you're in the Southern California area, you can be in the studio audience--just contact me and I'll make sure you get in. Not near LA? Then two other options exist for you. I believe you can go to Stickam, where you can be selected to do live videos that will air. If that doesn't work for you, then G4 is also accepting viewer mail through Stickam, where you can gush about the show, drool over Peter's pecs, salivate over Niki's assets, tell all the minutiae you noticed, and send all your wildest theories. I'm pretty psyched about being part of this, and about a new resource to give us depth into Heroes. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:40, 18 October 2007 (EDT)

  • That's cool. I was contacted by an owner of another cool HEROES fansite about the fun opportunities of this HEROES Post Show. It seems like it'll be fun! 'ROESian
    • Fun, and a great place for us to get some good inside info. I don't know how many shows I will be doing, but I kind of plan to use my time, if possible, to ask some of those nagging questions about Heroes and just to glean some good trivia heretofore unrevealed. I'm pretty psyched about the whole deal. :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:13, 19 October 2007 (EDT)
      • Looks like G4TV is going to have a special Heroes chat on a Wed. at 1pm est. Anyone have the details? I didn't catch if it was 11/21/07 or 11/28/07.--MiamiVolts (talk) 23:40, 17 November 2007 (EST)
        • I believe it's this Wednesday, 11/21. I think it's at 2 pm EST--the producer told me it's at 11 am PST. They asked me to be on, but I'm not sure I can do it--I have to find out if we have early dismissal on Wednesday or not. He's emailing me details, but I probably won't hear back from him until Monday. I'll update as soon as I know more. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:18, 18 November 2007 (EST)

Now here's an idea...

  • I think it'd be good for us to have somewhere where we can discuss the episode that's just aired. After all, we're all fans of the show, and everyone has their own theories! I know we do do some discussion on talk pages, but then people post stuff about the page itself, and it can be a bit confusing. But if there was a place we could actually all discuss the episode, it'd be cool. And it could be named after something in the show, like, I dunno, The Loft, perhaps, or something similar. I suppose this sort of links in with the forum idea I read someone suggest a while back. Anyhow, yeah, just a thought.--  Lost Soul   talk  contribs  12:44, 2 November 2007 (EDT)
    • Heroes Wiki isn't a forum. That's why I post some of my thoughts at IMDb.com (that's a forum). There's also 9th and 10th wonders forums. If you have a specific comment that will help document the show, I think it belongs on the episode talk page. If you have a theory about something specific, you can add it in the theory namespace.--MiamiVolts (talk) 13:06, 2 November 2007 (EDT)
      • Fair dues, but I'm not saying this is a forum. I'm saying I think it might be good to have something similar. What's the point in joining 9th Wonders or whatever and having to join a whole new community when you're part of one on this site?--  Lost Soul   talk  contribs  13:08, 2 November 2007 (EDT)
        • Cause it helps bring new visitors to the site when you talk about it on other sites? Word of mouth advertising can be much for effective than the advertising Admin pays so much money for. At least, that's my theory as to why Admin doesn't add a forum here. Heh, but I'm pretty sure Admin will answer for himself.--MiamiVolts (talk) 13:14, 2 November 2007 (EDT)
          • My reasons for not adding a forum are because: 1) Heroes forums are a dime a dozen. The world doesn't need yet another when there are good large ones out there already. 2) It would probably distract people from the wiki itself. 3) We can focus on what we do best. We run an excellent wiki that's only gaining in popularity. Let others who are experienced at running forums run the forums.
            That being said I'm not opposed to a "loft" or "water cooler" area where people can be a little more chatty than they might on the article discussion pages, though this page is already somewhat for that. I just personally don't see a big need for a separate forum especially when many of us already frequent other boards like imdb or 9thwonders.com. While you can implement a forum as a series of wiki articles it tends to be more clumsy to maintain and lacks some of the nicities that people will expect out of a forum (and as a result it won't attract as many people and won't be as popular). (User:Admin 14:44, 2 November 2007 (EDT))
            • I never said forum. I just meant a wiki page, like, I dunno, Chat:The Line or something; a page where people can go to discuss informally an episode or whatever. I know a forum would be pointless, totally get that. And now I just read your second point, which I understand also. It was just a thought.--  Lost Soul   talk  contribs  14:54, 2 November 2007 (EDT)
              • Yeah, if people really wanted one it would happen since it's essentially just a new set of articles and anyone could create them. :) I don't think there's been a great deal of interest in it because we're not too restrictive about what goes on discussion pages so people just mention the stuff there instead. (Admin 15:19, 2 November 2007 (EDT))
                • I don't think it's a bad idea. But instead of "Chat:The Line", don't we have Episode talk:The Line? -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 19:13, 2 November 2007 (EDT)
                  • As I said earlier, I feel it may be good to have a distinction between wiki talk pages (which, generally, should be for page discussion), and actually episode (and character, and whatever else) discussion. But hey, I'm happy with whatever.--  Lost Soul   talk  contribs  04:52, 3 November 2007 (EDT)

Stupid writers or whatever strike!

What the heck is this stupid thing that threatens to end Heroes? Would some one mind explaining to me what it is?--The Empath 17:06, 4 November 2007 (EST)

  • The writer's union is going on strike because their contract has expired. The big sticking points include royalties for online sales, online streaming ad revenue, and compensation for work for websites. It's industry-wide, but affects different shows differently. Reality TV, which is (officially at least) "unscripted", shouldn't be affected at all. Scheduled films with existing scripts should be able to proceed just fine, as should most shows which have completed scripts waiting to film. Unfortunately for Heroes, all of its writers are also producers, so even if they have unfilmed scripts ready to go, they likely won't be able to film them. Incidentally, last time this happened in the 80s, lots of shows attempted to proceed anyway. ST:TNG, for example, tried to adapt left-over scripts from the original series and film some cheap-ass clip shows (which is what a lot of sitcoms did). The results were pretty awful.--Hardvice (talk) 17:19, 4 November 2007 (EST)
    • Another thing the writers appear to want is more revenue for DVD sales. This strike could have happened in 2004, but then the Directors' Guild accepted a deal that included better pension and health insurance benefits, instead of DVD and other electronic media subsidies, that the writers felt they had to go along with. Thus, the networks and studios have known for a while this strike could be coming. Here's some sites you can check into for more info. about the strike:
      1. Alliance of Motion Pictures and Television Producers (AMPTP)--this is the organization that contracts writers from the WGA to work for the networks and movie studios: http://www.amptp.org/
      2. LA Times article about some of the shows to be affected: http://www.latimes.com/business/la-striketvgrid-html,0,7606966.htmlstory?coll=la-home-center
      3. Hollywood Reporter article explaining the situation and what happened 3 years ago: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3ia9c51f5ef29150aa4498841d01bc0687
      4. NY Times article explaining that the networks/studios have only tried to negotiate this for the past 3 months: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/02/business/media/02cnd-hollywood.html?em&ex=1194148800&en=9015c8b4b5f53f4f&ei=5087%0A
      5. Kristin's E-Online article containing info. on how the strike may affect Heroes (article covers the series, how it affects Heroes 360 is unknown): http://www.eonline.com/gossip/kristin/detail/index.jsp?uuid=dcc84c3f-fa04-4fca-890e-8dba4a5dd7ba
      6. Website of the Writers Guild of America, West: http://www.wga.org/
      7. Website of the Writers Guild of America, East: http://www.wgaeast.org/
      8. Blogspot Strike-related Writers Blog: http://unitedhollywood.blogspot.com/
      • Hope that helps you understand some more about what's going on.--MiamiVolts (talk) 18:09, 4 November 2007 (EST)
        • It's also important to remember that this is a decision from the Writers Guild of America, not the writers of Heroes. Since they are members of the union, they must follow the strike, should it occur, regardless of their opinion of what should or shouldn't happen. It kind of reminds me of the union to which I belong--I'm a teacher. If my union goes on strike, so d I. What complicates things is that I might agree with the strike, but not want to see my students suffer--much the same way that many of the Heroes writers might agree with the principles of the strike, but they don't want to see their show suffer. Food for thought. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 18:19, 4 November 2007 (EST)
          • That's true. One advantage Heroes has, though, is that it is an international show and it could, if it so desired, contract writers from overseas to write the graphic novels. Such writers are not members of the WGA so will not be on strike. On a site note, the WGA gives its members the option to resign their membership and become 'financial core' members. Said 'financial core' members do not lose any financial benefits by resigning their membership (they don't lose any pension or health insurance benefits), and can return to work during a strike. However, said members cannot be elected an officer of the WGA and can no longer vote in the WGA.--MiamiVolts (talk) 18:26, 4 November 2007 (EST)
            • Oh god, we are going to be left with Reality Television *shiver*--The Empath 18:50, 4 November 2007 (EST)
              • Even reality television requires writers to make the script for the host(s). Assuming the strike lasts long enough, we may get to see re-runs of M.A.S.H., Lavern and Shirley, The A-Team and Magnum PI....maybe even the original Bionic Woman...--MiamiVolts (talk) 18:55, 4 November 2007 (EST)
  • What really disappoints me about Heroes ending early due to the stike isn't that I'll have to wait so long for a new episode, but that we were on such a roll with our charitable donations so far for season two and that a good deal of the extra revenue that was generated during season two and going to charities will probably dry up until new episodes come out again. :( (Admin 01:39, 11 November 2007 (EST))

Strike update

So there's been some progress in the WGA strike, and I thought I'd post it here. A 11/17/07 Fox New article reports that the WGA and Network producers are to return to negotiations on Monday, 11/26/07. It also reports that the producers offered a portion of licensing fees that are charged to websites for airing shows, but the WGA rejected the offer asking for a percentage of the online ad revenue to also be included. The producers refused to budge on online ad revenue.--MiamiVolts (talk) 00:32, 18 November 2007 (EST)

  • I'm far from an expert in the whole process here, but my limited understanding is that the studios are claiming that they don't know what these alternative revenue streams are going to look like yet so they can't offer a percentage of it. If true then that's fair enough, but why not just offer a proposal along the lines of "If revenue is between a-b you get x percentage, if it's between b-c you get y percentage, etc."? I imagine that's how they'd make the decision if they did know the revenue already. The easy answer to this could be that the studios don't want to give them a percentage in the first place and are just using the revenue claim as an excuse, but if that's not the case then it seems like a reasonable approach. (Admin 01:01, 18 November 2007 (EST))
    • Nicely put, but in the published response letter before the strike it sounded more to me as a questioning of the viability of the new mediums altogether (i.e. we don't know whether they will be profitable, so we can't promise you any portion of the profits). I don't think the WGA believed them, though, and that's why they went on strike. Now, Nick Counter is claiming on the AMPTP website that the reason the Alliance can't offer a percentage of new medium ad-money from the networks is cause they aren't receiving any from the networks. That sounds to me like a circular argument, since it's the Alliance's job to negotiate with the networks/studios for what they want. From what Nick wrote, it sounds as if the networks' and stuidios' position is that since a base payment is already made whether the show is a hit or not, they cannot afford to offer a percentage of the ad monies. I think a good compromise may be to offer a reduced base payment and add a percentage of the ad monies. Only then would both the studio networks and the WGA be taking the same risk, so it seems fair. However, I don't expect the WGA to propose a base pay cut; and it looks like the network studios aren't ready yet to look at taking on added risk, even if it is a shared risk, so I'm not expecting this strike to end anytime soon.--MiamiVolts (talk) 11:53, 18 November 2007 (EST)

Strike Photo

  • Check it! -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:28, 10 November 2007 (EST)
    • Ah, Sendhil. Who else can stand around all day on a picket line and still take a snapshot that looks like a professional headshot? He could probably fall into a pig sty and still look completely put-together.--Hardvice (talk) 00:16, 11 November 2007 (EST)
      • Greg looks put-together too. When was this photo taken?--MiamiVolts (talk) 00:25, 11 November 2007 (EST)

Strike?

  • Does anybody else think we should have something about the strike somewhere? I know we have a news link in the main page, but that, essentially, is all speculation; besides, to understand that you need to have some background knowledge on the strike itself. I don't really know if it merits a page or not; just throwing something into the mix...--  Lost Soul   talk  contribs  09:03, 5 November 2007 (EST)
    • Right now, the strike is just impending. If it actually occurs, I don't think it needs its own page because it's not really a part of Heroes. It would be like writing an article about TiVo since a lot of people watch Heroes using TiVo. However, if the strike occurs, it would definitely need to be mentioned on the article about Season Two, if it interrupts the season. Heroes: Origins already mentions it, I believe, for the same reason. If we suddenly get five episodes in a week (which won't happen) because of the strike, then each of those episode pages would have a note that said something about the reason the episode was shown in an odd order. In other words, the strike (if it occurs) is best left mentioned on related pages, not as an article itself. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 13:01, 5 November 2007 (EST)
      • As far as I know, the strike has started already. I'm a member of the Lostpedia Forums and we've been keeping up-to-date with news reports about the strike. The thread can be found here.--  Lost Soul   talk  contribs  13:06, 5 November 2007 (EST)
        • Lost Soul is correct. Check the websites 6 & 7 above that I listed for the WGA. According to them, the strike started this morning. They list the picket locations. See official WGAE press release: http://www.wgaeast.org/index.php/articles/1017?wgra=1#wga1017 --MiamiVolts (talk) 13:40, 5 November 2007 (EST)
          • As for the link from got-heroes that the season is over, this is incorrect. If you read the interview and others, Kring said if the strike isn't that long, they will continue with the season. Otherwise, they'll use Ep. 11 to end Volume Two, go on hiatus until the strike ends, then continue with Volume Three afterwards.--Bob (talk) 16:56, 5 November 2007 (EST)

Strike over?

According to a blog covering the strike, today's negotiations are going well and a deal may be in the works. I hope it's true and not just wishful thinking.--MiamiVolts (talk) 13:48, 26 November 2007 (EST)

Supporting the writers

Hey all, I haven't been around much lately, but I just saw this on another TV fansite and thought it might be worthy of a news article or something here: [1]. We all want a quick resolution to the writers' strike, and a demonstration by the fans has proven to sway Hollywood's actions before. Anybody with me? --Fcphantom 00:41, 19 November 2007 (EST)

  • Just moved this comment here from the main page, since only main page discussion belongs there, and news articles need to pertain to Heroes directly. I posted the United Hollywood website in an above section over a week ago. I think it's a good idea that they are asking for funds to buy truckloads of pencils to bring to the network headquarters, and even better that they are buying eco-sensitive ones. Even so, I don't think the odds of it actually helping to end the strike are very high, but it is a nice sentiment, imho. I hope that the networks donate them as is suggested on the blog's website.--MiamiVolts (talk) 08:22, 19 November 2007 (EST)

Strike videos

There's a couple videos out about the strike. Strike Love Story appears to be the most popular; it's a music video. There's also "This Is Our Moment", which covers the history of how writing for Hollywood has changed with technology.--MiamiVolts (talk) 17:03, 26 November 2007 (EST)

  • I've also found that the United Hollywood blog now has a NowLive Show page, which airs live video and audio about the strike and contains chat section, all on the same page. The show airs Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays, during the strike, from 12-1:30 p.m. Pacific (3-4:30 p.m. Eastern).--MiamiVolts (talk) 17:18, 26 November 2007 (EST)

Strike update (II)

*sigh* Looks like more fingerpointing. The WGA website is currently saying the negotiations are paused till Tuesday (Dec. 4, 2007) so the Networks can prepare the rest of their proposal. The AMPTP website says that the WGA asked for the time to review the new proposals already presented. Anyways, there has been some proposals released which the WGA is not satisfied with, but if you are interested in the details you should read the comments on the WGA's United Hollywood blog and AMPTP (see WGA's 11/30/07 and AMPTP's 11/29/07 end of day statement) websites.--MiamiVolts (talk) 20:56, 1 December 2007 (EST)

  • There's been another breakdown in the talks. It appears as if the AMPTP wants to wait and talk with the DAG and SAG first to squeeze out the most profitable deal they can make on the new media. So I don't see any more potential progress in the strike until at least January when the DAG (Directors of America Guild) and SAG (Screen Actors Guild) begin negotiations for their contracts, which are up for renewal in June 2008. This probably means no more Heroes until at least Sept/Oct 2008, if then. Hrm.--MiamiVolts (talk) 00:23, 8 December 2007 (EST)
    • Thanks for keeping us apprised and informed, MV. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 02:43, 8 December 2007 (EST)
      • No problem. I had hoped for better news.--MiamiVolts (talk) 06:06, 8 December 2007 (EST)

BTE at CBR

What time do the questions and answers generally get posted?--Riddler 15:06, 5 November 2007 (EST)

  • It usually shows up between now and 5pm eastern.--Hardvice (talk) 15:10, 5 November 2007 (EST)
    • Woot! I'm in! But neither of the questions that had importance were answered x.x--Riddler 17:00, 5 November 2007 (EST)
      • To be honest, I'm not surprised. They've never really answered a direct question like "what is this power called?" before.--Hardvice (talk) 17:36, 5 November 2007 (EST)

Power... ummm... replication? sharing? coincidence?

Just a thought, but shouldn't we have a page covering the fact of multiple heroes with the same power? I know we have power heredity, but this is two people sharing the same power (not a kid of an evolved human), related or not.

This is a big thing about the powers this season (from what I've read). Some interesting notes:

The only thing that might be a problem would be the name...--Tim Thomason 20:41, 7 November 2007 (EST)

  • I was thinking about this the other day, and I'd be curious to see how an article develops. Why don't you write something up in your user namespace. Maybe call it something simple and direct like "User:Tim Thomason/Powers with multiple users". Personally, I wouldn't include Sylar or Peter in the list, but it looks like you already thought of that. Let me know if you need any help or have any questions. :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:45, 7 November 2007 (EST)

What does one do about that?

What do you do when you leave a message for someone to stop doing something, and all they do is delete it from their talk page with no answer or anything, and they just continue on with what they were doing? (See User:Shadowulf1) --Riddler 21:12, 7 November 2007 (EST)

  • I restored the message and asked Shadowwulf1 not to delete discussions from talk pages. As for the fan powers page, I suggest just ignoring it. It will be going away soon eventually so any edits to it don't really matter. (Admin 21:16, 7 November 2007 (EST))

Heroes Wiki t-shirts (part 2)

  • I'm interested in printing up some t-shirts with Hiro's quote "You don't have to have superpowers to be a hero" as well as "http://heroeswiki.com" on them. With the charitable contributions we're involved with each month this is one of the ideas I definitely want to convey to others. Everyone is capable of helping out other people and being a hero. If anyone has any design suggestions for a t-shirt with the quote and URL of of the site on it, feel free to submit them here. The image should be 10"x10". I'll probably be using CafePress and they have a sample template here that you can use. If you upload an image, please specify whether you designed it for a white or black t-shirt. Remember any transparent areas will show the base color of the t-shirt and not necessarily be white. (Admin 02:04, 1 December 2007 (EST))
    • Great idea. I would actually like to see something really simple, perhaps just text:

      you don't have to have superpowers to be a hero
      --Hiro Nakamura
      http://heroeswiki.com

      I'm actually thinking that it might like nice with Hiro's name in all lowercase letters, too, which goes against obvious grammar rules, but is allowable for design purposes. I dunno, whaddya think? -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:10, 1 December 2007 (EST)
      • I think it looks good. I (or I should say "we") have the relatively simple "Are you on the wiki?" t-shirts so it's my hope that this one could be a little more complex (though I wouldn't mind creating a simple version of the shirt as well). Hey, you know what? I know the Sarmy was able to get Ryan Odagawa and I believe Jason Badower as well to create logos for them. I wonder if either of them would be willing to draw up a Cafepress t-shirt design with the quote, URL, and some kind of of drawing. I'd be willing to pay them for it, too. (Admin 16:15, 1 December 2007 (EST))
        • There's also always the good ol' "lay the text over the Symbol/the eclipse" trick.--Hardvice (talk) 20:16, 1 December 2007 (EST)
        • I'll ask Jason and Ryan if they're willing to be hired to create a logo. Do you have something in mind? Also, keep in mind that most of the trading cards artists are available too. Tim Sale might be tougher to schedule (and a bit more expensive) but I can ask him if you want. (He's on The Post Show tonight, by the way.) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:46, 1 December 2007 (EST)
          • I don't really have anything in particular in mind other than having the quote fairly prominent and the URL a little less prominent. I just want both to be readable like with the existing shirt, though the focus of the design should be on helping people and not on the wiki itself. Tim Sale would a very neat choice if he's interested. I don't know if they ever "graphic novelized" the scene between Hiro and Ando where he says the hero quote, but if not then that would be very neat to see Tim draw out in the same form as the other 9th Wonders! comics (assuming it's permissible). I'm not concerned about the money... if we can get an amazing design for these t-shirts then it would be well worth it. If more than one of them volunteer, we can consider multiple designs. Ultimately my goal for the design is to help promote the idea that everyone can be a hero by just helping out in their own ways. (Admin 21:59, 1 December 2007 (EST))
            • Perfect. I'll put out a few feelers. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:13, 1 December 2007 (EST)
              • Tim Sale art on the shirt would definitely get a sale from me. I've been tempted to contact a few of the artists from the show to ask them to draw me doing one of my powers but I don't know how to ask without coming off as rude or intrusive, so I gave up on the idea. I just thought it'd be cool to have something like that from them.--Riddler 22:21, 1 December 2007 (EST)
                • Right, one does run the risk of coming off as rude or pushy or whatever...I'm going to ask a few of the artists with whom I have a bit of a better relationship. I'll ask Tim and Ryan and Jason and a few of the trading cards artists. I'll probably ask tomorrow though...I'm actually in the middle of a dress rehearsal for The Post Show right now. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:40, 1 December 2007 (EST)

TV Guide bought by Macrovision

Macrovision agreed today to buy Gemstar-TVGuide for $2.8 Billon. Macrovision specializes in anti-piracy and plans to use their new acquisition to help them start a new service for television viewers to create personalized guides on their sets. No word yet on whether the Magazine and Cable Channel will continue. You can read the story here. Since TV guide is a popular magazine that often has reviews and spoilers about Heroes, I thought I would mention it.--MiamiVolts (talk) 23:40, 7 December 2007 (EST)

Episode comentary on episode info box?

might it be done?--SacValleyDweller (talk) 15:55, 9 December 2007 (EST)