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I have a good feeling about this episode, I just hope it isn't going to be the last ever one. - Jenx222 | U / T / C | <inlcudeonly>08:00, 7 January 2012 (EST) 19:01, 8 December 2009 (EST)

  • Why do so many people think that? i mean there is SOOOOOOO much left to explain and it's impossible to do that in just 10(could be 8 dont really now) episodes.-- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 19:04, 8 December 2009 (EST)
    • Actually there are only "7" episodes left. But with the 13 and 14 airing the same day, It's pretty sure they will fuse them into one like the two first episodes. The finale will probably be a two hour long episode too. So actually that leaves us with 5.--Kleith 19:08, 8 December 2009 (EST)
      • Actually, I don't think there is too much more that HAS to be explained other than the story line they are on right now. Some things don't really need answering, though an answer or two wouldn't hurt. I think that with a title like Brave New World, it could mean one of two things: A- "The show is ending, and the title is supposed to make us feel like the story will still continue on in the world of the show" or B- "The show is starting a new chapter with a major difference such as several major character deaths; the presence of evolved humans is announced to the world; or some major catastrophe happens and rocks the world (or a combination of all three. Vampirate68 | Talk | Contribs | 22:48, 19 December 2009 (EST)
        • Well, I guess we'll find out if there will be another season. If they have a new volume name announced in it, then it is basically confirmed, if not, we'll need to hope for the best! --mc_hammark 06:51, 20 December 2009 (EST)
          • David H. Lawrence XVII keeps writing in his Facebook that BNW is season finale, not the series finale. Green.gif AltesUTC CH 06:53, 20 December 2009 (EST)
            • I think season and series are the same thing, just one is american the other is british, I think the thing he was talking about was that he had put in heroes season finale, instead of just heroes finale. Oh and just got caught out there, layout of keyboards, it would be quite easy to type herpes instead of heroes!:))) --mc_hammark 07:00, 20 December 2009 (EST)
              • Lol I'll make an image of it! Green.gif AltesUTC CH 07:06, 20 December 2009 (EST)
                • Done :) Green.gif AltesUTC CH 07:11, 20 December 2009 (EST)
                  • Awesome, see my page for a joke about it. --mc_hammark 07:17, 20 December 2009 (EST)
                    • Not a case of British and American English, there have been series in the past that in their last season announced "series finale". Far from wantint to jinx it, but even if David wrote it as season finale, he could be unaware that it could be or that it is a series finale. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 12:51, 20 December 2009 (EST)
                      • Unless he's already been asked back, or if he knows that there is a volume 6 snippet! That would rather confirm it to him. --mc_hammark 14:00, 20 December 2009 (EST)
                        • But seeing as he is a Recurring/Minor actor, he may not know if this is the end of the show. He might not be deemed important enough to tell or they are trying to keep it a secret. Vampirate68 | Talk | Contribs 20:50, 20 December 2009 (EST)
                          • I'll clear up the confusion about the whole Season/Series thing. Season refers to the current airing of the show, for example: Redemption. Series refers to the entire thing overall, for example: from Pilot episode: Genesis, right up to the latest aired episode of the show. A Season finale is the final episode of the current airing, whereas a Series Finale refers to the last episode to ever be released under the show's name. User:AndrewMcKenzie 22:40, 13 January 2010 (GMT)

Far-out fan theories

Personally, I'm not sure all these should be excluded as possibilities, so I thought we could have some place to list the far-out/seemingly baseless fan-theories about this episode, so I'm adding this thread to list them below.--MiamiVolts (talk) 19:33, 6 January 2010 (EST)

  • The ghost one isn't a wild theory though, remember Mediumship? I'd call that a base for the theory. --mc_hammark 19:42, 9 January 2010 (EST)
    • Although I agree with you that it's probably not a wild theory, what you state is not really a basis that an announcement/confirmation to the world would come for it in this episode and there are at least two users who think it doesn't belong.--MiamiVolts (talk) 23:32, 9 January 2010 (EST)
      • I see what you mean now. --mc_hammark 09:14, 10 January 2010 (EST)

Theories List

  • The existence of extraterrestrials (E.T.) will be announced to the world in this episode.
  • The existence of ghosts will be announced to the world in this episode.
  • The existence of animals with superpowers will be discovered, but not necessarily announced to the world.


Tim Kring said in an interview Hiro will find Charlie in Volume Five finale. But Jayma Mays isn't there. Green.gif AltesUTC CH 09:33, 25 January 2010 (EST)

  • Technically, he said they'd be reunited in the finale, which could mean anything. Masi Oka's also confirmed in an interview that the Hiro/Charlie storyline will be resolved in this episode. How this will happen without her being there is anyone's guess, mind...Swm 10:53, 25 January 2010 (EST)
    • Maybe Hiro gets reunited with an aged Charlie, allowing another actor to play her?--Referos 19:29, 25 January 2010 (EST)
      • Seems logical. However, they usually get the same actor/actress when they're doing time-travel stuff, and just use makeup to age them. But that's entirely possible. --Clairesxtwin48 20:06, 25 January 2010 (EST)
        • Eww, I really hope we won't see an old Charlie. If Arnold pulled an Arnold on her... Green.gif AltesUTC CH 02:45, 26 January 2010 (EST)
          • Though it would give a real context to Arnold saying "Nobody deserves a fate like that." He'd know better then anyone. It's either going to be Referos' solution, or Jayma Mays just isn't credited (Didn't Tracy appear in The Art of Deception without being credited?) Swm 06:43, 26 January 2010 (EST)
            • I don't think she was credited, actually. That could very well be true.--Clairesxtwin48 17:48, 26 January 2010 (EST)
            • I recall Noah Gray-Cabey wasn't credited for Cold Snap (I guess to not reveal the identity of Rebel /at least the Rebel we got to know then/), yet he had an important role there. Of course, it _can_ be that Charlie was chronoported to an earlier date, making her much older than she should be, but I don't think Samuel told Arnold to take her to some time where she could meet the Hiro of that time, even by accident. Also, I think he knows better than to let her still be alive in the current timeline. It could become dangerous... No, I guess he made Arnold take her either to the distant past (100-200 years ago) or the future.--DrIstvaan 13:45, 4 February 2010 (EST)
          • I hope we aren't gonna find out that Victoria Pratt was actually Charlie! :) Green.gif AltesUTC CH 07:37, 27 January 2010 (EST)
            • Twisted! That would be disturbing beyond belief! And then I'd have another reason to be kinda ticked at amnesia!Peter...--Clairesxtwin48 07:43, 27 January 2010 (EST)
            • Tracy WAS credited in The Art of Deception. Not that that really matters. -- Tristan0709 talk 00:34, 28 January 2010 (EST)

What do you think is going to happen?

So guys, what do you think is going to happen in the finale?With the various plot twists the writers like to pull were likely to not get even half right, that said its still fun to think about it.Personally what I think is going to happen is that while Sylar is rescuing Emma (per Peter's and Angela's vision) Peter himself will be taking on Samuel in a terrakinetic duel via mimicking his power.More will be happening then that obviously, but that is atleast one event I am theorizing/hoping for in the future episode.The other thing is, is that if they end up upgrading Peter's ability, it will be in the end of this, as that is the only logical place for such a thing to occur.So what do you think will happen and be revealed for the next volume/season?-- Tbora 23:34, 27 January 2010 (EST)

  • I agree with you on all the points that you've set out. As I've been saying since Close To You, it's basically Kirby Plaza all over again, with different characters playing out the different roles. Emma is Season 1 Peter, manipulated by the Big Baddie and with a power she doesn't fully understand. Sylar is taking the role of Nathan (interesting, given how his body spent the first half of the season) by saving the hero who has been forced into the role of a catalyst for cataclysm. Peter is taking on the role of Niki/DL by taking down Samuel (who of course is filling Linderman's position). And yeah, I'm guessing that Peter's powers are going to get re-upped... somehow. I don't know precisely what, because I guarantee, they're going to keep a limit on it SOMEHOW. Maybe he can only absorb up to ten powers at a time or something, or maybe he can only absorb the powers of people he knows quite well, I don't know. Something. But I do hope they deal with that, because it's becoming quite irritating to the fans. Meanwhile, it would seem that, from the graphic novels, Tracy is turning into Professor X. My guess is that by the end of the volume, Peter will be leading the Carnival, and Tracy is going to be helping him by instructing the next generation of Heroes in how to use their powers safely and wisely. And if I had my way, Peter and Emma would be together/dating/something.---Clairesxtwin48 00:34, 28 January 2010 (EST)
  • Yeah, it's fun to speculate... if not sure Peter's ability needs an upgrade, though I think it is reasonable to assume his ability to mimic powers might be upgraded if he takes Samuel's ability due to Samuel's ability being enhanced by the presence of many other evolved humans. Another theory I posted above is that E.T. might be announced/discovered in the finale along with the revelation that powers exist being broadcast to the general public (the latter seems the case to me based on the promos). I'm thinking it might be a good setup for/homage to ex-Heroes producer Jesse Alexander's Day One, whose order has been reduced from a series order to a two-hour tv movie, which may later become a series--from what I understand about Day One, it deals with the aftermath of an E.T. attack. Here's how I see things possibly playing out:
  1. Lauren and Tracy go to rescue Noah and Claire, only to find a vengeful Amanda and Edgar, and battle it out, resulting in another big explosion scene with unknown survivors.
  2. Mohinder, Ando, and Hiro battle with Eli. They are unsuccessful in stopping him from revealing abilities to the world, but learn from him where Claire and Noah have been buried alive in a trailer... Mohinder digs them out with his super strength.
  3. Matt is home with Janice and his son when the news hits TV. He is summoned to work, and asked by the President to head a new specials division of the Dept. of Homeland Security.
  4. Peter and Sylar, having inadvertently switch bodies/appearances, team up to take down Samuel and save Emma.
  5. With Samuel dead and the Carnival mostly toasted, the rest of the carnies gather around Peter and Sylar, upset at them. Meanwhile, the combination of the three of them having Samuel's power astronomically increases the evolved human force, allowing E.T. to detect it... Sylar then utters something like "Well, I guess I got my redemption... and I learned another thing..." Peter asks what that was....
  6. The scene flashes to Claire that is exiting the trailer with Noah thanks to Mohinder, Hiro, and Ando... Claire is hugging Noah and says she has another problem... Noah says that whatever it is, they'll deal with it together--that she's not alone. That's kinda the problem, she says...
  7. Split screen Claire, Sylar, possibly an ash covered Tracy... in unison, they say, 'We're not alone', and the screen pans out from the crowd of Specials around Peter and Sylar, revealing flying saucers in the distance.
  8. Beginning of next volume (Aliens)... Ando insists to Hiro that they must go back to Japan, see if the aliens are there too, he wants to be with Kimiko--to ask her to marry him. Hiro grabs Ando's hand and they teleport, only to find themselves not at Yamagato. Hiro and Ando are in a dark room. A number of voices call out, 'Hiro Nakamura, Master of Space and Time, we've been expecting you...' Ando asks them to show themselves and the lights turn on... In front of them, they see a number of people that all look like Kimiko and Charlie! But the girls explain that they are not Hiro's sister and girlfriend--they are Aliens... To Be Continued...

--Well, that's one possible scenario, imho. I'm actually hoping, though, that I'm right about none of it so I can be pleasantly surprised. :)--MiamiVolts (talk) 03:38, 28 January 2010 (EST)

  • I think all of that is pretty realistic, and definitely possible, the sole exception being the Aliens Volume you were going about.Its silly and pretty much fits in the far out theories section.Me personally what I think will happen next season is that people with abilities will be outed to the world (where as last season the gov. found out) and we will see a world similar to the alternate timeline of five years gone.The major difference being, is that instead of hunting them (Specials) down, they will be viewed as a small minority that is mistrusted by the general population, accepted by others, and looked upon with interest by other people.I think this would be a great openning for the next season and fits wonderfully with the episode title.From there I imagine it would follow the cast as it always does, but it will be with ever Normal knowing about them and what they can do.It would lead to some great future storylines and give momentum to the series that it desperately needs.In addition there is something actually pointing to this, in one of the promo vids it shows Claire jumping off of the Ferris Wheel in the Carnivel with the media surrounding it, the Camera's focused on her.-- Tbora 11:13, 28 January 2010 (EST)
    • Yeah, I guess it could be Claire instead of Eli that gives it up to the media, or Claire could just be revealing that Eli isn't the only Special... Regarding Aliens being too silly, I guess it's all in how you look at it, but I do hope you're right about that.--MiamiVolts (talk) 13:47, 28 January 2010 (EST)
  • Except for the aliens, I think a lot of that sounds probable. I'm not sure about the Sylar-and-Peter-switching bodies thing... though it WOULD be an interesting way to explore whether Peter's limited powers are a result of the fact that the formula sucks, or whether it's some kind of psychological block he's created for himself. After all, Sylar does NOT have the same inhibitions about how he uses his powers, so Sylar-in-Peter's-body wouldn't have the same power problem if it happens to be psychological. Either way, I kinda hope it doesn't happen, mainly because I want to see Sylar get redeemed and then be killed off as a hero at last. But I don't think they'd do that, because Sylar is SUCH a popular character. The specials-being-revealed-to-the-world thing I DO believe is probable. I'm just curious as to how. Maybe it will have something to do with news coverage of Samuel's little rampage in that town? --Clairesxtwin48 21:46, 28 January 2010 (EST)
    • Well, the ending has been something unexpected past few seasons, so I guess we'll see. As to how Specials are revealed, I'm leaning towards Samuel ordering Eli to take out some high-profile target where people are normally watching, since it would be hard for anyone to stop all of Eli's clones. Not sure what that target would be, though. Of course, Samuel could probably just carve his own face into a mountain, right?--MiamiVolts (talk) 23:22, 28 January 2010 (EST)
      • Can't be, last episode (The Wall), Samuel ordered Eli to stay behind and take out those who might interfere with his plans.Of that group only Sylar and Peter have been confirmed.Who else do you guys think is on Eli's Hitlist; if anybody?And with the new information revealed what do you guys think will end up happening? -- Tbora 23:26, 1 February 2010 (EST)
        • Exactly. Honestly, I think Samuel just meant Peter and Sylar, which earns Samuel one of Otto B's Dumb As Awards. How is CLONING going to stop PETER and SYLAR?? Answer: it's not. Although I have a sneaking suspicion that Matt is actually going to be the one to take down Eli. After all, the only storyline he's been involved in this year has been Sylar's, and I would think a mind power would be useful against a guy who clones himself... just force the disparate pieces of Eli's consciousness to join together in one body again. --Clairesxtwin48 23:37, 1 February 2010 (EST)
        • Maybe, that would be a cool twist to bring his character into the finale.Although personally I hope not,because that would reinforce that he is still inherently good.Personally I think the writers as of late are changing Sylar's and Mat's roles.Making one a hero, and the other a villain.Especially when you consider that Mat's ability is so easily cast towards the bad guy role.I think that would be amazing, him using his power to manipulate various people to protect his family (Which is the whole world if we can safely assume that Special's are going to be outed to the entire world at the end of the Volume.). -- Tbora 00:10, 2 February 2010 (EST)
        • Well, I came up with my theories before seeing The Wall, of course, and am happy to be surprised. Now, looks like Samuel just plans to invite reporters into the Carnival when he transports it to NY Central Park. Samuel doesn't know about Ando and Mohinder, but Tracy and Hiro could be on the hitlist, I think.--MiamiVolts (talk) 00:25, 2 February 2010 (EST)
        • Thats very plausible Volts,and seems like that is pretty much going to happen.The biggest thought in my head though right now is this.If they are going to evolve Peter's ability its going to be next episode.Personally I want that to occur as lets face it, it needs an upgrade, but to whether it will happen or not?Well thats not a sure thing by any stretch of the imagination. -- Tbora 00:36, 2 February 2010 (EST)
        • Indeed! Peter has learned his lesson- he's capable of thinking smart and putting his abilities to the most efficient, effective use. At this point, all the one-off ability is doing is slowing him down. He needs to have some kind of- as you put it- upgrade soon, because if Lydia's foreshadowing is correct and he does become the new (non-psycho) leader of the carnival, he's going to need something more than this one-at-a-time BS. We get it, Kring! He's had his learning experience. --Clairesxtwin48 01:38, 2 February 2010 (EST)
        • My thoughts exactly, I could not have put it a better way myself.Personally what I think is going to end up happening, is that during the fight with Eli (who is a bigger idiot them season two Peter) Peter might try to replicate one of Sylar's offensive powers to help deal with the clones.But in the confusion, he accidentally mimic IA.And in doing so, he becomes aware of why his ability is limited and learns what is necessary to force it to evolve.To me, that is one the very few logical reasons for the writers to have Samuel send Eli after Sylar and Peter, when everyone knows he does not stand a chance in hell again both of them; the two most powerful evolved humans on the show.-- Tbora 12:47, 2 February 2010 (EST)
        • I must disagree with the idea that Peter's power needs to change. If he is made able to hold more then one ability at a time, he will potentially have enough power to dismantle the entire storyline. I don't think his power will shift in the next episode- or ever, really. As for why Samuel sent Eli after Sylar and Peter, I suscribe to the view that Samuel is attempting to get Eli killed as he's the only one who knows the full plan. Swm 13:01, 2 February 2010 (EST)
        • Please note never once have we said give him back EM, or another similarly broken power.Merely an upgrade, extra oomph to his ability.Still limited, but not anywhere near the level it is now.As for what that could be? Perhaps how many powers he can hold is upped from one to say I dunno four.Or he can hold abilities without a limit, but it requires a true empathetic connection to do so.IE, in the same way that Sylar's empathetic side to IA functions.For your given reason that it would break the story, well I agree with you.Well sort of.Anything mishandled on the writers part can break the story.But anything carefully controlled and done well can't.It merely depends on the skill of writers to keep it on that 'good' range.And given how well they have handled the latest episodes, I think they could manage easily enough with a more powerful Peter without breaking the story.As for Samuel sending Eli out to get killed, I don't believe he has even told Eli the whole plan, only telling him what is strictly necessary.And keep in mind, no matter how ruthless Samuel has become he still cares about his family, at least a little bit, and I doubt he would send his loyal lieutenant to his death while he is still loyal.If he was treacherous in the same way Lydia was, then yeah I'd agree with you, but Eli has been shown to be nothing more then a stupid, but above all else faithful thug of Samuel's.He would not have any good reason to send the man to his death IMO. -- Tbora 13:24, 2 February 2010 (EST)

        • Amen, Tbora, amen! This is what I've been saying from the start of the volume! Not necessarily true EM, just that he has to really make a deep connection to an individual to gain their ability. Or the ability to retain a (larger) limited number of abilities with the AR. --Clairesxtwin48 17:07, 2 February 2010 (EST)
        • I said nothing of EM either. I oppose any move to give Peter more then one power for a very simple reason: given enough time, he'll become omnipotent again, even if he must make a true emotional bond to gain someone's power. And if you give him a Draph-like power to hold up to 3/4 powers, it will reach this stage a hell of a lot faster. Example- Time travel, regeneration, mental manipulation and freezing. A very overpowered combination, and there are hundreds more. In fact, regneration combined with any remotely offensive power is dangerous, as Sylar has proven in the past. And the only way to stop Peter from amassing one of these overpowered combinations would be to have him make poor judgement calls again, as he did in the past. This would be unpopular and a step backwards from what development Peter has gone through since Volume 3 ended. It's not a question of writer skill- a hero this powerful neccessarily makes it difficult if not impossible to have effective villians who are not equally overpowered, unless they are hampered by an outside force such as stupidity. As far as Eli's concerned, I'm willing to wait and see. Swm 17:29, 2 February 2010 (EST)
        • But there is a problems with your whole argument.Just having the ability to do something does not automatically make it broken.A good villain need not be more powerful; just smarter.Look at Peter now, he managed to take down Sylar something like twice by just thinking ahead.Take a moderate ability, give it to an ambitious, and intelligent individual and your set.A great example is this.Imagine a character with Adam's intelligence and will to act, throw in Samuel's charisma, to sweeten the mix give him an ability like illusions or telepathy.With that it would not matter how strong a character is, because the Villain would always be able to outsmart the brawny heroes.That is not to say Peter would be dumbed down, just that the other guy is always 3 steps ahead.Thus you have your villain that can manage to trump a multi-powered hero.So its not impossible, or even particularly hard.Just requires some creativity on the writers part. If you do this, you can have an upgraded ability Peter without having to regress the character at all.Plus it seems to me, with the path the storyline is taking(evolved humans being outed to the world versus just the Government like in S3)having every power under the sun is not going to effect the story in a way that it is harmed.Why can't we have an intolerant Preacher or an amateur Politician taking advantage of the fear of Normal's be the big bad?Turn it into a faction thing, like a significantly watered down Marvel Civil War?Seems to me that would make having multiple powers useless if the public itself was the enemy as it becomes not a matter of finding this person and killing him, but trying to sway public opinion so evolved humans don't become considered no-longer human, and start being heavily discriminated against, with their rights taken away, them all locked up for study. -- Tbora 20:37, 2 February 2010 (EST)
        • Just having the power to do something does actually make a character/power broken. The thing in question may be kept in check by writing, but that's not the same thing as it not being broken. Sylar's powers at the moment make him an overpowered character, however he is written. Lions in cages are still lions and will still eat you if you let them out. You talk of "moderate abilities", but list illusion and telepathy? These are some of the most powerful powers the show's ever seen, up there with EM and time travel. But even with a character like you suggest...they would still be no match for an EM-Peter if he had full knowledge of how to use his powers effectively. Let's say he has time travel and is constantly being outsmarted by the villian, as you claim. What's to stop him jumping back in time and outsmarting the gambit that outsmarted him in the first place, thus defeating the villian? Nothing, and there would be no challenge in it unless the villian was also a time traveller. And that's just one of a near-infinite number of powers that Peter's old ability gave him access to, and with every one he acquired the harder and harder it is for a villian's plan to succeed. Even if you opt for an enhanced ability replication, what stops him just borrowing whatever powers he needs to stop the villian? You have a better argument with the point about the villian being not a person, but an ideology. However, even then, multiple abilities would help, rather then hinder anyone. We learned this in Volume 4- Sylar cornered by a mob of agents is still able to blast them all, while numerous people with one ability were taken down and captured. What would stop a multiple-powered Peter from stopping Claire jumping off the Ferris Wheel and outing everyone? With his EM or just 4-5 AR powers he could easily stop Samuel. Therefore, you're wrong to say that a multiple-powered person couldn't affect that story negatively. And even if all this wasn't the case, that argument can only conclude "if we get a storyline where specials are hated by humans, then it would be ok for Peter to get a power boost." We currently do not have such a storyline, and until we do, Peter must remain as he is. Swm 07:18, 3 February 2010 (EST)
        • Having the capacity to do something does not make it broken, in that I believe you to be dead wrong. Here's the problem I see with your way of thinking, you see the characters as separate entities from the writing. But they are not, everything within the universe which makes up canon is controlled by the writers, and unless they make a sincerely screwed up call, it does not matter if a particular individual within cannon has the ability to buttrape every other character, so long as the writing is handled intelligently, it does not matter. As for your lions metaphor, the lion (Peter) does not leave the cage unless the door is opened by the big cat trainers (the writers) and they mess up. Which they have clearly shown they are capable of handling it, so it would not become a problem like you claim it would. Hardly, Telepathy is pretty strong, yeah. But as demonstrated in season one and three, its not infallible and has its weaknesses, and as I have stated previously, so long as the writing is handled well, having a uber ability is not carte blanch to God Mode. As for illusion, I don't know where you getting its some OP hax ability. Its plain just not, for that we'll just have to to agree to disagree. If you look above at one of my previous posts I specifically said I would not suggest nor condone giving Peter EM. So your point here is pretty much moot, that said I'll play along with you. Whats to stop him?The writers, they control each and every little thing within the series, nothing happens without them making it so. In the same way they have controlled Sylar for the past four seasons, they same could be done for Peter. Outside factors coming into play, aka, intelligent writing, that makes it work, without dumbing him down. Again for enhanced ability replication, the writers, see above for them controlling every detail on how the story plays out. That was in a single scenario, just because it happened once that way because the writers wrote it so, does not mean it would follow the same coarse given different circumstances, had the writers felt it should have taken another path. When you watch a TV show which involves Super powers, you have to have a smidge of suspension of belief if you want to be able to enjoy it all. Nothing (in regards to Peter stopping Claire jump off the Ferris Wheel), but the writing. See my above argument again if you will. Nothing happens without the writers say so. Whose to say that is his Goal to stop her, perhaps for whatever reason he is neutral to her or even wants her to jump and expose the existence of specials?It all depends on the flow of the writing. So again your point is moot, as once again it depends on the writing. It could effect the story negatively, but only if it was mishandled, which I don't think it would be. Your point right here is a matter of opinion, so I'll end this point here as were just going to keep disagreeing. Your right, we don't have a storyline like that...yet. But everywhere this is pointing, this is the likely outcome. If this comes to pass (which it may or may not, we just don't know yet.) then yeah its all fine, if not, it can and should still be done, as its just a matter of writing. To reiterate; nothing happens without the writers making it so. -- Tbora 15:48, 3 February 2010 (EST)
        • Swm - just because you can not imagine a way to make a powerful ability like EM interesting does not make it "broken". Unfortunately it seems the Heroes creative team also lack your creativity. --Stang 17:28, 7 February 2010 (EST)


Did anybody notice in the new countdown preview that Hiro and Ando were talking to an old redhead? Chaaarlie? --William Strauss 02:27, 29 January 2010 (EST)

  • God, it's so cruel and unfair... After all they've been through... :'( Green.gif AltesUTC CH 05:41, 29 January 2010 (EST)
    • Although in a sense, Hiro has still succeded in rescusing her, right? Thanks to him she's been able to live a full life, instead of being killed by Sylar. It's cruel and tragic for Hiro, certainly, because he can't be with her, but it does have its upsides. Swm 12:02, 29 January 2010 (EST)
    • This is true. It's horribly sad, but unless Hiro dies or loses his abilities again, odds are decent that he'll find a way next season to get back and bring her forward to the present. Of course, I don't know how that would fit in with Jayma Mays' work on Glee, so who can really say, beyond that I think the aged!Charlie theory is proving correct.--Clairesxtwin48 17:48, 29 January 2010 (EST)
      • Hiro may not want to return Charlie from the past. He may simply go and stay there with her. Green.gif AltesUTC CH 02:33, 2 February 2010 (EST)

If I got a new sneak peek right, Hiro will find Charlie in the same hospital where he was cured from his tumor. Green.gif AltesUTC CH 10:59, 3 February 2010 (EST)

Peter and Emma

Okay, so how do we think it'll REALLY end up playing out? Is Sylar (or, if the rumor-mongering is to be given credence, Peter-as-Sylar) going to save Emma, or is she another brilliant new character about to be killed off tragically? What's the general take on Pemma? I refuse to believe that they would set up the relationship so well, and have these two actors with so much chemistry, and then leave it strictly platonic. Perhaps something to be explored next volume? One way or another, it's all coming to a conclusion in this episode, and I for one am on the edge of my seat.--Clairesxtwin48 23:31, 29 January 2010 (EST)

  • I'd be annoyed if Emma died, not least because they've already killed off one new female character this Volume with Lydia, and I think the odds of Lauren surviving are quite long (not least because she's already been shot, seemingly has no powers, and is Noah's love interest- Samuel of course, hating Noah). Though in many respects this season seems to have been about love, with Claire/Gretchen, Hiro/Charlie, and seemingly Peter/Emma, so I wouldn't be surprised if they ended up together. How would Peter end up being Sylar? Borrow his shape-shifting again and impersonate him? Swm 05:41, 30 January 2010 (EST)
    • Well, the reigning theory is that when Peter and Sylar break out of Matt's prison, they're going to wind up in the wrong bodies, which is disturbing, to say the least. But that's off-topic. I agree with you, though. They've already killed off/written out a lot of people this season. Killing Emma as well would be superfluous and would defeat the purpose of Peter's entire character arc this season. Besides, they're just too cute together! --Clairesxtwin48 18:27, 30 January 2010 (EST)
      • That would be...interesting. In a certain sense it's repeating the identity issue with Sylar, which may get overused. On the other hand, it would be an excellent way to both tone Sylar down (one ability at a time) and give the fans what they claim to want, which is a multiple-powered Peter (despite it not being a good idea). I agree with you on the rest. Swm 06:39, 31 January 2010 (EST)
        • And that way peter could shapeshift back into his own form, Sylar taking shapeshifing from his own body, then both can look like themselves. Actually, I hope that happens. --mc_hammark 06:55, 31 January 2010 (EST)
        • Meh, I'm not crazy about the whole idea. I prefer to hope that Sylar gets his redemption by saving Emma himself, then gets killed somehow. (How, I don't know. Maybe somebody will get lucky and find his kill spot). Then we can have Peter and Emma leading the Carnival together and it'll all be wonderful and Hallmark and... oh who am I kidding? This is Heroes! --Clairesxtwin48 10:48, 31 January 2010 (EST)

Volume Six: War

So, in thinking about where the show could go from here, it suddenly struck me. If people with abilities go public, then those who thought they were alone would come out of the woodwork. Some would be heroes, and some would live out their lives as normal. But what if some decided to openly start attacking? Like a super-powered mob? No longer afraid of people knowing about them, they would be able to do as they please, until the heroes come around. The end result? An enraged non-evolved human public that decides enough is enough, and a streetside civil war begins. Could be interesting. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 20:42, 2 February 2010 (EST)

  • Honestly? I love the whole idea. It sounds like every dystopic-future Heroes fanfic I've ever read, and with the quality of some of those, the writers would do well to take heed... *wink* It would be similar to the dystopic futures from Volumes 1 and 3, but instead of being a vague threat that they have to prevent, it's a present reality. It would be an entirely different direction to take the Heroes in, and I think it would be an amazing angle for them to explore. (Incidentally, is there any particular reason you chose that title for the thread? Was it just convenient? Or do you have some inside info we should know about?) --Clairesxtwin48 22:19, 2 February 2010 (EST)
    • Volume 6's current title is Brave New World, carrying on from this episode, I think. I do like the concept very much- I can certainly see a few people thinking that they are better (like Arthur did), and deciding to take what they want. This of course prompts a public backlash, and with something like Marvel's Superhuman Registration Act the whole thing could explode and turn very nasty as people rebel against it. Swm 07:03, 3 February 2010 (EST)
  • In one of the previews, Noah worried about this too. He said that people would probably be curious at first but it would only take one person like Sylar to have them turn on specials.--WarGrowlmon18 16:07, 3 February 2010 (EST)
    • I think when Hiro had gone to future Japan and seen his future self talking with Ando, they were mentioning something about a war.--MiamiVolts (talk) 05:38, 10 February 2010 (EST)


I've seen a couple of previews, I think Peter and Sylar will have an ally in Edgar given how worried he looks in a couple at Samuel's plans and it also looks like Emma may not have totally discounter Peter's dream as she brings it up with Sammy Boy and realizes that Peter was right by Samuel's reaction which is why Doyle is forced to control her so there maybe hope for some Peter and Emma in the future since she'll probably forgive him now that she knows he was right. Also it looks like Peter and Sylar may capture Eli with Matt's help as it shows them talking with him and Peter tells Matt to get inside his head (Eli isn't shown but I'm guessing that's who he means) and Matt is pissed Peter freed Sylar. Also, given Peter doesn't read Eli's mind himself as he asks Matt to do it to find out Sammy's plans, Peter probably has a different power. It also looks like Sylar has Matt read his mind to show him he's changed, telling him that he knows what it takes to be a good person from being in Matt's head. Also, Claire at least gets out of that trailer and tries to warn the carnies about Sammy, but they don't seem to care.--WarGrowlmon18 16:06, 3 February 2010 (EST)

  • Weren't those previews amazing? I'm completely psyched. Could just be the Pemma shipper in me, but Emma's realization that Peter was right all along gives me hope for the continuation of their relationship next volume. And the discussion between Samuel and Edgar about the news crew DOES seem to indicate that the revealing-Specials-to-the-world plotline IS going to go into effect. To which I say: about effing time! There was no way they could keep this under wraps forever, but now is pretty much a perfect time to do a Big Reveal on that scale. --Clairesxtwin48 20:01, 3 February 2010 (EST)
    • Also in one of the previews that premired before The Wall, we got a short preview of Brave New World where Claire apparently exposes people with powers herself. I just wish we had some idea of the fate of Samuel and Friends.--WarGrowlmon18 20:12, 3 February 2010 (EST)

Season Finale or Volume Finale?

There's only been like 18 episodes this season, plus ending a season in February is kind of cheesy. And come to think of it, Volume Three ended and Four started around the same time last year. What do you think? Homersimpson 18:14, 3 February 2010 (EST)

  • Olympics are coming. That's why they're ending a little earlier than usual. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 18:18, 3 February 2010 (EST)
    • Thanks. Does this mean we have to wait 6 months for another episode. :(Homersimpson 18:23, 3 February 2010 (EST)
      • Apparently. It's somewhat depressing, but I think a longer summer hiatus will be quite good for the fanfic writers LOL ;) --Clairesxtwin48 20:02, 3 February 2010 (EST)

Peter's dreams about what happens

You know, I think they're different dreams about what's going to happen next happen next episode not the same one with more details. I think in the first Emma is playing the cello on purpose of her own accord and is upset because she realizes what she's doing, but in the second, the future has changed slightly as Peter telling Emma about his dream caused her to question Samuel about it (preview I found online) and refuse to do it which caused Eric Doyle to need to control her.--WarGrowlmon18 18:04, 6 February 2010 (EST)