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Special Effect

I'm not a 100% sure, but I kinda got the impression that Matt could see the light from when Peter soaked up his power - didn't he comment like "what's that" when Peter replicated his ability? --SpellingBee~Talk to me!~~Contribs~ 18:07, 4 March 2009 (EST)

  • I thought he was just finding it weird that Peter suddenly grabbed his arm, just that. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:12, 4 March 2009 (EST)
    • He said "what are you doing?", then "what is that?", so yeah I guess he could see the glow. --Powermimic 21:24, 4 March 2009 (EST)
      • If that was it, Danko would know Nathan's an evolved human, he was there when Peter replicated Nathan's ability after he and Tracy tried to set him up after Flight 195 crashed. And it was dark, the glow would appear more, if it was visible, Danko would've seen it. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 08:53, 5 March 2009 (EST)
        • Just because peter glowed in the dark doesn't mean danko would start accusing nathan of being a hero. Danko has no idea how peters power works so he wouldn't know it's for use on people with powers.

Exactly, Mr. Anonymous. I think he saw the glow.--ERROR 21:50, 28 August 2009 (EDT)

Multiple Powers at Once

What do you think about Peter touching two evolved humans simultaneously? Would he replicate two abilities at once?--Altes 12:31, 5 March 2009 (EST)

I think so. But I think he'd lose both once he replicates another ability (Or another pair of abilities.).--ERROR 08:57, 1 June 2009 (EDT)

Rename to "Power borrowing"

With Peter telling Matt that he "Borrowed [his] power" in Exposed, we now have a cannon name/canon descriptive name for the ability, and thus the ability should be now be named power borrowing. Agree/disagree? --SacValleyDweller (talk) 01:26, 8 March 2009 (EST)

  • I don't mind either way. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 03:30, 8 March 2009 (EDT)
  • IMHO borrowing means taking something from somebody, so this somebody doesn't have it until you give it back. --Altes 07:07, 8 March 2009 (EDT)
  • Well I like Power Borrowing more than Ability Replication, 'Borrowing' usually means "to take", but it can also mean "to use" from another source, so I'm fine with that. And it was said in the show - so is a canon description name, like we have 'Ability Supercharging' because of Matt and Hiro, but it should clearly be called 'Ability Augmentation'. Power borrowing is accurate, Peter "takes" from the source, even though they don't loose their ability. Which is something that Ability Replication doesn't fill, it just sounds like his a mimic. The way he can only hold one ability at a time fits with the "borrowing". So I like Power Borrowing. --Powermimic 07:28, 8 March 2009 (EDT)
  • I personally don't like it but even so, it's just a descriptive name isn't it? So doesn't it rank the same on the canon scale? IMO it doesn't sound official, you can't really make a name from this.--Steely McBeam - (talk) 07:41, 8 March 2009 (EDT)
    • Yes it's a descriptive name but a canon one, "ability replication" isn't. --Powermimic 07:50, 8 March 2009 (EDT)
    • Well considering that, there's no argument that can be made. Let's make the change.--Steely McBeam - (talk) 07:57, 8 March 2009 (EDT)
  • There were many abilities which were never named in the show, yet you gave them the names. For example, poison emission, intuitive aptitude, underwater breathing, empathic mimicry...--Altes 11:41, 8 March 2009 (EDT)
    • Just a point of information - Poison Emission was named in the show - Maya specifically said "I emit poison" Random guy 01:06, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
    • I agree with the argument that borrowing means you take something so the person does not have it anymore then you give it back, if you replicate something you copy it and the person still keeps what ever is replicated.--posted by Laughingdevilboy

Talk 11:44, 8 March 2009 (EDT)

  • Besides replicating means that you take something and copy it, but mimicry means you just do something that you witness. I.e. mimicry doesn't mean you have to take something, but replication does. So I don't think renaming this ability into borrowing is necessary.--Altes 12:07, 8 March 2009 (EDT)
  • All of that may be true, except for the fact that what Peter said is sadly higher on the canonicity scale and chances are will be changed. Even if the previous name described it near perfectly.--Steely McBeam - (talk) 12:13, 8 March 2009 (EDT)
    • I cant argue with that, but I do prose a compromise, why don't we wait until the next episode has been shown, it may give us more information if not I will be happy to agree to the move. It just seems that this has no had a lot of time to be discussed. --posted by Laughingdevilboy

Talk 12:16, 8 March 2009 (EDT)

  • Didn't Peter say to Ando in Volume One that he kinda absorbs abilities of others when near them? But Peter's ability was named 'mimicry'. And Arthur - he steals abilities, but his power is called 'absorption'.--Altes 12:48, 8 March 2009 (EDT)

I don't like the borrowing part of the name because of what it was said already, it implies that while the ability is borrowed, its original user can't access it. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 12:54, 8 March 2009 (EDT)

  • Well I can't argue with the "borrowed" part, because it would make it imply that the source has lost it. I'd probably call this 'Power absorption', it clear that Peter absorbs when he touches someone, but he doesn't remove the ability. At the moment he is just limited. We don't know how Peter's ability will evolve. --Powermimic 03:00, 9 March 2009 (EDT)
    • There's already power absorption, held by Arthur. Borrowing... You know, Peter could have meant by that he would eventually lose Matt's ability, i.e. he took it for a time - borrowed.--Altes 12:03, 9 March 2009 (EDT)
  • Wouldn't be my first choice but it is certainly better than what we have now, plus it was sorta mentioned on the show. The name has my vote. ( Talk To Jakk55 ) 17:57, 9 March 2009 (EDT)
    • I don't see anything wrong with Ability replication as a name for this power. Power borrowing, to me, is more ambiguous and misleading than ability replication. Ability replication is an exact description of what he does, he replicates abilities. If there wasn't a naming convention, I'd say to leave it as is. But, unfortunately, power borrowing has a root in canon. Meh, go for it. (If we do a consensus check, however, I'm voting to keep it as is) -- Psilaq R.- \m/ -_- \m/- 18:17, 9 March 2009 (EDT)
  • I agree with you Psilaq Remake I do believe it is too ambiguous and borrowing implies that the user of the original ability does not have his power while Peter has it. Matt was clearly able to still use telepathy at the time when Peter replicated the ability. Horrorman 8:48, 10 March 2009 (EST)
    • I fail to understand how "Ability Replication" is any less ambiguous than "Power Borrowing". ( Talk To Jakk55 ) 22:55, 10 March 2009 (EDT)
      • To replicate means to copy. To borrow may lead to think that you actually 'take' it from the person, not just copy, even for limited amount of time. Mateussf 19:23, 25 March 2009 (EDT)
        • I like borrowing, as always, canon is canon --Fourletterfame 22:16, 28 March 2009 (EDT)

New Consensus Check

Let's start a Consensus Check. Add your vote, and signature, and preferably a reason why. ( Talk To Jakk55 ) 22:55, 10 March 2009 (EDT)

Leave as "Ability replication"

  1. --The reasons I stated above, and also it's quite possible Peter's ability will evolve. Then 'borrowing' will not be the proper term.--Altes 04:03, 11 March 2009 (EDT)
  2. --Based upon what Peter says in the episode i don't think it can be stated as the proper name for this abilty. Leave it as it is. -- Futurepeter ( U - T - C) 07:37, 11 March 2009 (EDT)
  3. --Steely McBeam - (talk) 11:12, 11 March 2009 (EDT) It's a better description, fully describes everything that the ability does and isn't left as far open to interpretation as "Power Borrowing".
  4. --Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 12:37, 11 March 2009 (EDT) For reasons already stated above.
  5. --posted by Laughingdevilboy

Talk 12:39, 11 March 2009 (EDT)

  1. -- Gabriel Bishop 16:26, 11 March 2009 (EDT) Gabriel Bishop
  2. -- --IronyUTC CH 16:30, 11 March 2009 (EDT), it think it is sort of like the ability supercharging incident, it is who says more explicitly.
  3. ---- Psilaq R.- \m/ -_- \m/- 17:00, 11 March 2009 (EDT), For reasons I stated above. Naming conventions won't stand for this, but I want my voice heard.
  4. --- Meteoritu 9:27, 12 March 2009 (EDT), Because besides "Power Borrowing" not being the safest name (since a person can borrow various items at a time), "Ability replication" seems to be the closest term in explaining Peter's power.
  5. --- Horrorman 13:13, 13 March 2009 (EST), Power Borrowing can imply that the person who originally had the power would not have it. Replication means that the person who orginially had it still has it.
  6. --- JLYK 17:25, 14 March 2009 (EST), I feel that Ability Replication sounds more professional. For example, Matt's ability isn't listed as mind reading, but telepathy. Angela's ability is Precognitve Dreaming, not dream of the future. Claire's ability is Cellular Regeneration, not healing. Hiro's old ability is space/time continum and not teleport/time manipulation. Sylar's main ability is Intuitive Aptitude, not "understanding how things work". Power borrowing sounds like a typical phrase you will use in a conversation, but I feel listing this ability as power borrowing just doesn't sound right.
  7. --The Empath 11:43, 24 March 2009 (EDT)
  8. --Leave it as is. Just because someone described it as borrowing a power, doesn't mean that's the name.
  9. --Power borrowing is just pure fail --Lolwut 15:01, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
  10. --Catalyst · Talk · HL 16:46, 1 April 2009 (EDT) I feel we should stick with replication. Borrowing means to take something which leads to the other person doesn't have it anymore. Borrowing also implies it will eventually go away, which it won't if he doesn't replicate another power. And don't anybody tell me, "But that's what Peter said it was." I don't care. Micah never refers to his ability as technopathy, or Echo calling it Sound manipulation. it's not like when they get an ability, they automatically know what the ability is called. like Hiro when he called Ando a supercharger. Does he know what his ability is called? no, so don't go by what each character says. I'll be fine if they get the name from the writers, or the assignment trackers.
  11. --Regardless of what "canon" says, it's more confusing to call it "borrowing" than "Ability Replication". Although I'm personally more for "tacitile ability mimicry" or some such.--Uncanny474 11:53, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
  12. IceGhost78
  13. ERROR All of the reasons above.

Change to "Power Borrowing"

  1. --Semi-Canon much better descriptor and less ambiguous and "Ability Replication" ( Talk To Jakk55 ) 22:55, 10 March 2009 (EDT)
  2. --It was described as this on the show and isn't made up by us. Another meaning of "borrow" is "copy or imitate; to borrow the style, manner, or opinions of another." So it can be correct, but some may think that the one will lose their ability while it's "borrowed"... --Powermimic 23:09, 10 March 2009 (EDT)
  3. Change for reasons I stated above --SacValleyDweller (talk) 01:19, 11 March 2009 (EDT)
  4. Liked ability replication better but for the sake of being canon, this one fits better. Darn technicalities. Dracomaster4 01:27, 11 March 2009 (EDT)
  5. Although borrowing sounds like the original person loses his/her power, Peter described his ability as "borrowing". Perrin Crocker's ability is called Bone spike protrusion because it was described as "bone spikes". Although I think people new to Heroeswiki will have a problem with this name, it's the proper name so we need to use it. --Peter 19:07, 17 March 2009 (EDT)

Future Peter with this Ability...? More than one ability at a time...?

The Exposed future Peter might have had this ability, now that I look through the old episodes.

Future Peter would've absorbed healing from Claire if he still had E.M. Claire didn't shoot him in the head, it was two bullets in the chest. Even if the Haitian was there, he'd have to STAY there to keep Peter from regenerating. When Peter could teleport and use TK on Nathan in the hospital, Future Peter would've regenerated. Claire regenerated after a number of hours after being dead in the first season, so why didn't Peter?

Because Future Peter had this ability. Which means that he'll eventually gain more than one ability. Future Peter had body insertion and time travel, at least.

It's gonna be like Peter's training with Claude. Right now he HAS super strength, flight, freezing, and telepathy, he just doesn't know how to work it out yet.

Happy times.

LimaBean 16:49, 12 March 2009 (PDT)

Okay mate, two things to say. 1. I pray to every deity that exists that he develops multiple abilities and your theory as to how he does so and if he did so is the best I've heard yet.

2. Sadly Future Peter had no idea that his father was alive and that he was the person who gave everyone the formula. Peter would never have worked this out, had he not mimicked IA, gone on a power-bender, and taken off to destroy Pinehearst and finding his father in the process. Besides the writers have stated that Peter couldn't absorb anything from Future Peter because all he could absorb was EM.--Steely McBeam - (talk) 19:56, 12 March 2009 (EDT)


Well, I've been shot down there. >.>

Still doesn't explain how future Peter died, though. He should've woken up right when the Haitian left. ;~;

LimaBean 17:04, 12 March 2009 (PDT) He should have, but there's the show for you. It's no fun if Future Peter just wakes back up and then (A) gets killed by Present Peter because of his new found talent, or (B) goes back with him and solves the problem perfectly therefore ending the show. Believe me it worked out a lot better this way. Besides, no one likes scarface. --Steely McBeam - (talk) 20:06, 12 March 2009 (EDT)

I have a plausible theory on why Peter can die having absorbed RCR. Unlike Claire, it's not his original ability, he needs to access his own ability to use hers, so I think that after being dead for a while, if only because the Haitian is blocking him, after a while the natural processes that happen once you die make it impossible for him to use this ability, Mohinder said he changes his DNA to use an ability, thing is, is the change permanent or does it happen every time he uses an ability? I think it happens every time. All it takes is for him not to access his ability, not change his DNA. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 20:16, 12 March 2009 (EDT)

So he has to remember Claire every time he gets hurt to heal? And his DNA rapid-switches when he flips through TK to STM to invisibility? And how could he use to abilities at the same time? Not trying to be rude, but it just doesn't seem too plausible. LimaBean 17:04, 12 March 2009 (PDT)

Not remember, when he lost his memory he could still use abilities, more like a reflex, things in the human body happen pretty fast you know? Nerve impulses, for example, run around 120 meters per second, enzymes in your body are able to make reactions happen up to a thousand times faster, who's to say his ability doesn't involved a DNA changing enzyme? Also, DNA is translated into proteins all the time, so it's not that impossible. It's part of his ability. Intuitive Empath - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath Talk]] - Contributions 20:25, 12 March 2009 (EDT)

Empath, you're awesome :D Dracomaster4 03:41, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

I'm just very good at biology. And I'm kind of a nerd when it comes to the actual functioning of abilities, so it comes easy. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 19:48, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

Also, Peter came back to life when Claire removed the shard of glass from his head. With brain penetrated, he wasn't able to think about Claire in order to access her ability, but he did return from the dead. Still, it doesn't explain Future Peter's death. --Altes 10:30, 29 March 2009 (EDT)

But he only needs to think of someone when he wants to access the ability, Claire was right there, when she removed the glass, his ability could work again, so it's like he mimicked her power again. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 11:56, 29 March 2009 (EDT)

Funny Observation

Pete must really love replicating flight. Before it was TK, now it's the power of taking into the air and flying. Still it's cool that he has that power currently. Or else his mother would have been in trouble. --TrueBlueBrooklynite 03:15, 27 March 2009 (EDT)

  • Flight is a very useful power. I can certainly understand why Peter would try to stick with it.--Cro Magnon 07:14, 27 March 2009 (EDT)
    • Quite true, but like he could recall those replicated abilities, he won't be able to fly without the help of Nathan. It has it's perks like not flying by plane, taking a train, or any other modes of transportation. :D --TrueBlueBrooklynite 19:43, 27 March 2009 (EDT)
  • As a fugitive, Peter needs to escape quickly and travel around as fast as he can. So Flight is an important power for Peter at the moment. --Powermimic 21:18, 28 March 2009 (EDT)
  • I'd take Time-Stopping over flight, though. If Peter ever comes in contact with Hiro, I say he gets that. LimaBean 21:13, 7 April 2009 [PDT]
    • Pete along with Sylar would seem to have fine control over their abilities, I think Peter handling the solo aspect of just time manipulation would be interesting. --TrueBlueBrooklynite 14:15, 8 April 2009 (EDT)

Totally Unnecessary

Im sorry but this has been bugging me since the season started. I don't wanna be that guy but I have gotta say something. Despite the story telling just being off this season, my biggest problem is this ability. First they go through all the trouble of researching the Empathic Mimicry ability and giving it to peter and having him go through a whole character development just to understand it and how it works and who he is during season 1. Then they just take it away because they decided to depower him. So its like why give him the power at all if you knew how powerful he would be eventually. I think it says alot about the writers where they can't find something for him to do in the storyline when there are thousands of comics based on superman, the xmen and others who are very powerful and they have been going strong for years. Its a total cop out cause they lack creativity, i mean he went from the most powerful on the show to the least powerful person. Yet Sylar the serial killer is given more abilities he shouldn't have (not to mention he's still living) and the one person who can stand against him is practically powerless. This ability is sad at best he can only get a power by touching the person ok, but on top of that he can only have one at a time and when he does he loses the power he previously had. And the only response the producers give is he still learning how to use the power like in the first season. What for he can't do anything, i mean i just stated what he can do, other that there is nothing to work out. Why give him a power after it was taken if this was what you do its like totally unnecessary. Now he is flight which only good for travel but is useless to fight against armed soldiers. On a side note Escaping is really brave, especially considering if he still had his abilities this storyline wouldn't be happening. It seems like the show is on its way out anyhow, i mean you really cant go much of anywhere story-wise when the government knows and their solution is to put you down like a dog. The creators say they're trying to get back to the roots of the first season, but if that means having everyday people with abilities look over their shoulder for someone bagging and tagging them without due process, looks like they dropped the ball again. Ok im sorry for the rant i was holding that in for a bit.Salubri 10:36, 14 April 2009 (EDT)

  • I agree. Peter's old power represented his personality, his desire to save the world and become a better person. He was the guy who wanted to relate to everyone. Everyone's power is somehow linked to their personality. Matt wanted to know what the "bad guys were thinking". Hiro wanted to "teleport" out of his boring life. Daphne wanted to run. Peter wanted to empathize with everyone. And they just took it away because he was too powerful. They should've just weakened his ability, not take it away entirely. LimaBean 15:33, 16 April 2009 (EDT)


My Speculation

When Peter first had E.M., he trained with Claude. Claude said, and I quote, "Your body remembers how to use all those powers, it's you who doesn't know how to reach them." Peter used Telepathy. Peter flew. Peter froze the plane. I believe there's no logical way to stop Peter from having more than one ability at a time eventually. LimaBean 15:36, 16 April 2009 (EDT)

  • Personally I think Peter's lack of self-confidence is just getting in the way of him using his old ability (i.e. using other abilities) Hopefully sometime soon he'll meet Sylar and grow a pair. --Peter 15:40, 16 April 2009 (EDT)

I think he has his original ability, but he can't use it properly because he lost his empathy. He doesn't connect with people, so he can only have one ability at a time, and he has to touch people in order to get their abilities--ERROR 09:01, 1 June 2009 (EDT).

  • Peter could use abilities he didn't know he had back then, no way you can empathize with someone you don't even knox exists. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 17:21, 1 June 2009 (EDT)
  • He doesn't need to think about people to use his aquired powers, we saw this when he lost his mind, he can access them beter when knowing, but no nessecary need to think about them WaterRatj 19:59, 7 October 2009 (EDT)


Your point being? Also, never mind about the empathy bit. He does seem to be connecting to people (Though I do have problems with understanding what people are saying, and I watched "Orientation/Jump, Push, Fall" late at night, so I may have missed something.).--ERROR 19:53, 7 October 2009 (EDT)

NAME

Is the name being changed or not? It's been nominated for a while and nobody has talked about it. --BoomerDay 15:59, 19 April 2009 (EDT)

  • No, it has been going on too long and since no new information has arisen and no consensus has been met I believe that means no renaming. I will take down the rename tag. --posted by Laughingdevilboy

Talk 16:11, 19 April 2009 (EDT)

Possible rewording of definition

  • Isn't it speculative to say "he is only able to have one ability at a time?" While it is true that he loses his previous ability when gaining new ones, that is slightly different than only being able to have a single ability at once. For instance, what if he touches Sylar? I don't think we have enough evidence (from the show, anyway...I'm not caught up on GNs and interviews) to say that he wouldn't gain all of Sylar's abilities. I think it should be changed to say:

"However, he loses his previous ability(ies) after replicating another one."

 --Stevehim 18:37, 23 April 2009 (EDT)
  • No, I think it would be better to say that he can have ability(ies) only from one source at a time. If Peter did take all of Sylar's powers, it would be true. -- Altes 02:48, 28 April 2009 (EDT)


Peter took all of Sylar's Abilities

If you look at Peter after the fight, he's bleeding from cuts that don't exist. He's already healing. Therefore, he took ALL of Sylar's powers.

I think Peter'll become the 'new' Sylar, with Intuitive Aptitude and all. o.o LimaBean 19:09, 28 April 2009 (EDT)

  • Nope, he only mimicked shapeshifting. --Action Figure 22:03, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
    • That's debatable.
      • No, it's not. Peter said, after shapeshifting, "I bet you didn't think I'd take that one" to Sylar, indicating Sylar would believe Peter (in a an attempt to regain his power to have multiple powers) to take intuitive aptitude instead. Peter took shapeshifting only. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 11:09, 29 April 2009 (EDT)
        • I heard, "betcha didn't think I took that one from you." This, though, could be interpreted either way. --SpellingBee~Talk to me!~~Contribs~ 21:24, 29 April 2009 (EDT)
          • "I bet you didn't think I'd take that one from you" could mean that Sylar thought Peter can replicate only one ability, but Pete managed to take them all. --JLYK 13:35, 1 May 2009 (EDT)
            • I don't know if I missed anything but did Sylar know that Peter had a power again since the last time they were together was when they killed Arthur and Peter hadn't taken the formula then. Is it just assumed that Sylar knew about it from his interactions with other characters and their memories? --Colin--
              • That Peter had an ability I'm sure he knew, since he saw Peter flying when he and Nathan fought him, now if he knew it was touch based instead of the original "stand next to you and copy", I don't think he did, but he could suspect since Peter probably tried to get a good grip on him, otherwise he'd think Peter would just mimic electric manipulation or telekinesis to attack him and wouldn't mind being hit because of rapid cell regeneration. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 15:53, 1 May 2009 (EDT)
  • well future sylar figured out what knox's ability was after seeing it for a few seconds. Then when sylar was fighting peter, peter would have grabbed sylar and made a noticeable glow as he took his ability. Sylar would have seen this and understood what peter did.

Arguments for

  1. Excess blood left out of wounds in people with rapid cellular regeneration when they heal needs to be washed off.
    • Not always... I recall sometimes no blood remained on Claire's wounds when they healed. -- Altes 09:43, 29 April 2009 (EDT)
      • That only happened rarely, and when the blood spread was super small. In fact, the only occasion I can remember for that was the staple from Season 1... --SpellingBee~Talk to me!~~Contribs~ 21:24, 29 April 2009 (EDT)
  2. Intuitive aptitude's effects include modifying the DNA of the user. There is no evidence to suggest that abilities are somehow 'segmented' or separate, or one continuous string of information in the section of genetic material in which abilities inhabit.
    • The second statement contradicts the first one. Modification of DNA suggests that new segments are inserted into it. -- Altes 09:43, 29 April 2009 (EDT)
      • What I meant was, there is no proof that acquired abilities are separate from the original one, in Sylar's case intuitive aptitude. It could be one huge string of ability DNA, thus being read as one ability by Peter.
        • But we know it isnt because Sylar lost all of his IA gained abilities after the Shanti Virus. If they were all connected, he would have lost IA, too. --Action Figure 13:43, 29 April 2009 (EDT)
          • So? Sylar did lose IA, AND telekenisis from the Shanti virus. Several other people did as well, including Molly Walker and The Haitian, both of whom regained their power. -Barbedknives (talk)14:18, 29 April 2009 (EDT)
            • IA and TK were the only abilities Sylar did NOT lose to the Shanti virus, while he was infected, they were merely supressed. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 16:54, 29 April 2009 (EDT)
  3. It is not known how Peter's power interprets abilities, if/how he selects any in the target, and what happens when replicating a multi-powered user. Before Sylar, each evolved human he replicated only had on ability.
    • This is not an argument for. It is simply a gray area. --Action Figure 13:44, 29 April 2009 (EDT)
  4. Nathan told the security agent that if they could get Peter to Sylar, he could 'do what Sylar can do.'
    • Perhaps he meant only shape shifting... Anyway, Nathan couldn't know what would happen. -- Altes 09:43, 29 April 2009 (EDT)
  5. Why didn't Sylar just kill Peter during the fight when he just had flight and was vulnerable, like he did Nathan? Sylar wasn't aware that Peter could only use one ability, so he would have still been seen as a huge threat.
    • Or maybe he was aware. He understands how things work, including abilities. -- Altes 09:43, 29 April 2009 (EDT)
  6. I agree that Peter did in fact replicate all of Sylars abilties. Because his DNA would of replicated Sylars DNA. And in season 1, when Sylar was locked up Noah said that Sylar had used his Inutive Aptitude to manipulate his DNA into using that persons power. Now since Peter's power replicates the DNA with his power then he would of been able to replicate Sylars DNA and since Sylars DNA involves several powers then most likely Peter can "do what sylar does."
  7. Now you can say he didnt replicate Matt's precognition, but then again the precog ability was not on Matt's DNA, and if it even was, then maybe Peter just didn't tap into it because the entire time he was running away and using telepathy and wasn't relaxed like people who use precog powers.
    • Agreed, Peter had no time to try and paint the future. But precognition may be an extension of Matt's telepathy - so, it may be one ability. Had Peter a chance to paint a picture, it could have foretold the future. -- Altes 09:43, 29 April 2009 (EDT)
  8. Now like the guy who disagreed said, Peter was shown only using one power of Sylar's... so, maybe he wanted to use the easiest way of capturing Sylar, other than risk fighting and getting killed maybe he just said "No... Im gonna do something smart.. for once."
    • The easiest way was to quickly find the President, acquire his morph, hide him somewhere, and get into a car with Sylar? Peter could have taken his disintegration ability and ended it all in a snap. He could have used sound manipulation, and blown Sylar's skin off, exposing his brain long enough to destroy completely. He could have telekinetically decapitated Sylar. --Action Figure 13:49, 29 April 2009 (EDT)
      • Interesting to note here: if Peter did take Intuitive Aptitude, he would be able to see all the variables to make this situation work. The plan did seem a little far fetched for Peter working mostly alone.--NovaX81 19:57, 29 April 2009 (EDT)
        • It was implied that Noah may have helped with this plan. --Action Figure 05:16, 30 April 2009 (EDT)
  9. If Sylar actually secretly developed empathic mimicry during his time with Elle, and used it on James Martin, AND Peter took that one ability, he would then have access to ALL of Sylar's abilities, ONCE AND FOR ALL! Mua ha ha I win n00bs GG. -Barbedknives (talk)23:32, 29 April 2009 (EDT)
          • My question is: Why did Sylar lose control of his shapeshifting BEFORE he got injected with the sedative. It almost gave off the impression that his power was being drained out of him, even though we know that's impossible. The other possible reason is he was trying to access the presidents DNA sample, and ended up cycling through his stockpile to no avail. Thoughts?--Fourletterfame 15:13, 19 July 2009 (EDT)
          • It happened because at the moment Peter was a shapeshifter too, and he was shapeshifted as well. So it's kinda when Sylar tried to take a sample of his shapeshifted DNA, that stuff happened. -- Altes 15:26, 19 July 2009 (EDT)

I guess your right we shouldnt jump the gun just yet. But I am a huge Peter fan and I thnk his character has lost several great qualities and its one of the reasons why the show lost alot of viewers IMO. But I have to say to the person who said Peter would los IA after abosorbing another ability. I dont agree, because Inutive Aptitude gives the puse pure mastery of the other powers. So Peter would fully master Ability Replication and leanr how to hold on to more than one ability now which I dont doubt because in my opinion Future Peter had Ability Replication because he only showed 5 powers. [ADAMJONES]

Arguments against

  1. Peter has only been shown to use one ability at a time since getting his new ability, and after the confrontation with Sylar.
  2. Peter has stated that he can only 'hold onto one at a time.'
    • That was so long ago. Even Peter doesn't know the full extent of his ability. -- Altes 09:36, 29 April 2009 (EDT)
  3. Claire asked Peter if he could fly, and he said no. (Note:It is being debated whether Sylar was using regular flight or telekenisis to land back into the building's window, and whether he even has flight at all.)
    • Peter couldn't fly, because he lost Nathan's ability in order to take Sylar's. -- Altes 09:36, 29 April 2009 (EDT)
      • Sylar flew. Peter saw it. No matter how he did it, Peter knew Sylar COULD. --Action Figure 13:50, 29 April 2009 (EDT)
      • Peter was still in the room, so most likely Peter took all of Sylar's abilities BEFORE Sylar took Nathan's flight.Dracomaster4 10:12, 29 April 2009 (EDT)
        • I agree. Peter'd already left the room right when Sylar throws Nathan in the window, then flies in and kills Nathan. No way Pete saw it. --SpellingBee~Talk to me!~~Contribs~ 21:24, 29 April 2009 (EDT)
          • It was never confirmed Sylar took Nathan's ability, and most likely, he didn't. --Action Figure 05:21, 30 April 2009 (EDT)
      • They refer during the whole episode to "his power" "that one", so obviously he took one power. Peter was limping, bloody, even at the end he still was hurt. Moreover, Nathan flew Sylar out because he saw Peter couldn't do anything and was about to get killed.
  4. Peter did not have "the Hunger".
  • Just note that this isn't a consensus check or anything, just here for academic reasons. I personally believe that he only has shape shifting, but we shouldn't assert that he only has it for fact. The articles mentioning it should say something along the lines of "Peter has only demonstrated shape-shifting after his battle with Sylar" so as to be accurate but not rule out other options.
We're going to have to wait till next season guys, it's inconclusive but practical for now to say he's a shape shifter.
(On a side note, if he is holding onto IA with his replication, he's going to have to use it to gain more powers, since replicating any other ability will remove IA and any of Sylar's old abilities. Also, he would most likely have to battle the hunger if he chose to keep it. Could be interesting. ) -Barbedknives (talk)22:40, 29 April 2009 (EDT)
    • I agree that we should leave it open ended, qualifying what we include with, for instance, "has only demonstrated" as suggested. Other opinions? --SpellingBee~Talk to me!~~Contribs~ 23:14, 29 April 2009 (EDT)
      • I disagree. It was painted out for us very clearly that he only took one ability.
        • I definitely thought I saw more than one: he was limping but quickly straightened up, an indicator of regeneration, in addition to the shape-shifting we know was absorbed. As such, I think an open-ended statement is best. Thoughts? --SpellingBee~Talk to me!~~Contribs~ 18:37, 17 May 2009 (EDT)
  • he had noticeable cuts near the end at the bonfire though.

Selection or Request?

OK, so we know Peter can replicate a specific ability. The question is, does he:

A. Touch an evolved human, identify their ability(s), and select which one he will :replicate, or if he replicates it; or
B. Have an ability in mind that he knows the target has, and forcibly replicate it?
  • If A, then whenever Peter touches Sylar/Nathan, he will see that he has multiple abilities that Nathan did not posses, and most notable that Sylar had all of those abilities.

What do you all think? -Barbedknives (talk)03:37, 30 April 2009 (EDT)

  • I think it was B. --Powermimic 05:28, 1 May 2009 (EDT)
  • Then how did he replicate Tracy's ability he didn't even do it on purpose? It would have to be similar to A.--Connorbb (Connor ROCKS !!!!) 07:34, 25 May 2009 (EDT)
    • Peter still didn't have the hang of his ability, he just got Tracy's power without meaning to, in BTEs after that episode, they said that Peter was getting better because he could choose whether or not pick up a power when touching someone who has one. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 11:49, 25 May 2009 (EDT)

I think that when he uses his ability, he doesn't necessarily know what their ability is, and gets that ability, and doesn't necessarily know that he has that ability, unlike his father. And if he comes across somebody with multiple abilities, then I think he still doesn't necessarily know what their abilities are, and he gets a random one. Although, what he said to Sylar in the President's car suggests that he chose to get shape shifting.--ERROR 09:40, 4 June 2009 (EDT)

He only has shape shifting.

There's a reason for Peter to have only one power when he touches evolved hmans. Only one. Even though Sylar has many of them, why should he be an exception? -- Altes 06:15, 30 May 2009 (EDT)

  • I don't entirely understand what you're saying, are you asking why should Peter be an exception? For that matter, why should Sylar? In some ways I think Peter needs more powers so he can balance Sylar. It is possible that he has multiple abilities b/c of Sylar, and as soon as he touches someone else they'll all go away. It's also possible that he just has shape shifting. I would also like to note that there is some evidence he picked up regeneration, with how his limp goes away quickly, but it's not conclusive. That's why I suggest we leave the statement open to the possibility of multiple pending further information. Thoughts? --SpellingBee~Talk to me!~~Contribs~ 18:49, 2 June 2009 (EDT)

Ability Developement

I think that when Peter gets better control over his ability, its going to evolve into Arthur's Power Absorption,and when it does, are we going to move this page to power absorption, or just leave it Ability Replication. Daevon 15:02, 15 June 2009 (EDT)

  • It's not even certain Peter's ability will ever evolve. -- Altes 15:14, 16 June 2009 (EDT)
  • We all know heroes, 9 times out of 10 most abilities evolve. Daevon 17:04, 16 June 2009 (EDT)
    • As for me, if Peter's power evolves, it will allow him not to lose replicated abilities. It would be just like empathic mimicry, only tactile. Tactile mimicry, yeah. -- Altes 02:47, 17 June 2009 (EDT)
      • But, turning his ability into power absorption would limit Peter's abilities, which the writers are trying to do, and plus if he finds out who "Nathan" really is, he can take all his abilities, except for flight, making him really Nathan, without all the dangers of Sylar and his "hunger". Plus,I like that Tactile Mimicry name. Really creative. Daevon 20:31, 17 June 2009 (EDT)
        • Only to have Peter go Sylar on everyone else? We know he's not capable of handling the hunger. And tactile mimicry isn't that good a name, the current name would still fit if he retained abilities through touch. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 20:45, 17 June 2009 (EDT)
          • That was only when he had empathic mimicry, he's shown extreme control over the abilities he's replicated. Now, he would probably be able to control it. Daevon 20:57, 17 June 2009 (EDT)
            • Flight, enhanced strength, and telepathy are all abilities he already gained this control over with empathic mimicry. He certainly wasn't good at controlling Tracy's ability. The only one left is shape shifting, and we never saw how he would handle shape shifting with empathic mimiciry. - Josh (talk/contribs) 14:46, 22 June 2009 (EDT)
          • Peter would probably need to activate intuitive aptitude again in order to feel the hunger. - Josh (talk/contribs) 14:46, 22 June 2009 (EDT)
  • We have a "semi-canon" source for that ability being named "power absorption", so that's what we would call it. - Josh (talk/contribs) 14:46, 22 June 2009 (EDT)

And you never know. Perhaps Peter will steal all of Sylar's abilities. And perhaps when he does that, at that point, he can steal all of the abilities of somebody, but loses them when he uses his ability on somebody else.

Here's how I think his ability will grow (If his new ability isn't his old one...). First, he can copy any and all of the abilities of anybody he touches, but he still loses them all if he copies somebody else's ability. Then, he learns to steal abilities instead of copy them, but other than that, it's the same, i.e. he loses his old abilities if he gains new ones. This is when he'd steal Sylar's abilities, and then he'd copy/steal another ability, therefore losing Sylar's abilities. THEN he'd learn to retain copied/stolen abilities, but he will never learn how to retain abilities he lost before that point, as they are no longer there to retain. Then maybe, he can learn to transfer his absorbed abilities to other people, i.e. the opposite of ability extraction. Thoughts?--ERROR 23:44, 17 June 2009 (EDT)

  • I would hate if they did that with Peter, they should just give him his dads ability so he can take all of "Nathan"s. Theyd still be limiting his abilities, like they want to, but at least hed have some power. Daevon 23:56, 17 June 2009 (EDT)
  • Why would Peter's new ability become power absorption? Peter doesn't steal abilities even now - I mean, if his power had a potential to evolve into that, he would already be able to remove powers from others, but he would lose them each time he steals someone else's power. It's just too different from that. Arthur steals abilities, Peter simply copies them. There's no reason for him to become like his father. -- Altes 04:55, 18 June 2009 (EDT)
    • What's an evolution of copying? Stealing. Plus, his and arthur's abilities arent that different, The effects are even similar. Daevon 23:59, 18 June 2009 (EDT)
      • Explain it. Why should copying evolve into stealing? -- Altes 03:25, 19 June 2009 (EDT)
        • Because it makes the most sense. Why should copying evolve into more copying? That makes no sense. Daevon 12:45, 19 June 2009 (EDT)
          • Dunno. For example, Sylar's intuitive aptitude didn't evolve into power absorption. Instead, he learnt how to absorb powers through empathy. As for Peter, he had a perfect absorbing ability - EM - but his currnet method of absorbing is lame. Sure it has to become better! -- Altes 14:15, 22 June 2009 (EDT)
            • I've been less-than-pleased with Peter's new ability but recently i thought about it. The writer's got as far as they could with Peter's old EM so they gave him a new ability. One that was similar to EM but clearly different. EM makes everything with Peter too easy (ex: "Oh, there's a fire that'll kill everyone? Don't worry i absorbed water mimicry last week..") This new ability is better story-wise and probably won't develop... Much to my chagrin --Peter 20:20, 7 August 2009 (EDT)

Nah, on second thought, Peter would be too powerful if his ability developed the way I said it would. And the writers obviously don't want to make him powerful.

But his ability will grow, trust me. He already seems to be automatically adept at whatever ability he gets, and it appears he's a little quicker at getting abilities. His ability's definitely on an improvement trend.--ERROR 19:47, 7 October 2009 (EDT)

Claire saw how Peter used his ability on Sylar

Check this out. -- Altes 04:45, 18 July 2009 (EDT)

Powers Claire witnesses ability replication.PNG

  • umm.. what does this picture mean? That possibly Claire will explain the ability? --Peter 20:23, 7 August 2009 (EDT)
    • It's an example of Peter's ability. Green.gif AltesUTC CH
      • Im sorry, maybe it's my browser that's messing this up, but how is a pic of Claire looking through a door an example of peters ability? Unless she was looking at Peter using it but I don't think this picture properly show that.. --Peter 23:39, 8 August 2009 (EDT)
        • Remember when Peter and Nathan fought Sylar, the door was shut, and Claire saw many blue flashes and one orange. The last one might have been Peter's ability. Green.gif AltesUTC CH

Did Claire say she saw an orange spark or was there a nano second in the screen. 50000JH

Is it possible that when Sylar attack him with electrical manipulation that the ability copied it. 50000JH

If Sylar obtains this power...

... and uses it to obtain another, what will happen? Will he lose all of abilities he already has? Green.gif AltesUTC CH

    • I don't think so because that ability will probably work independently of his other abilities, for example, if he got ability replication and he replicated telepathy, and then after that he replicated another power, he would lose telepathy. Get it? -- Daevon 14:44, 12 September 2009 (EDT)
      • Nothing suggests this, powers works off-course of eachother, and powers are linked, his telepathy is connected to his AI not to AR, since he got i before AR WaterRatj 10:13, 8 October 2009 (EDT)
      • Don't forget to add the signature, your idea makes sense, but it still sounds complicated. I hope Sylar will never have AR, my brain is melting. Green.gif AltesUTC CH
        • It's a pretty simple concept, if you can't understand it, you have some problems. Gamerelite1 22:19, 26 September 2009 (EDT)

WaterRatj- Daevon said "and then after that, he replicated another ability," meaning he used AR, not IA, to get telepathy.

And what's so hard to understand about this, anyway? If Sylar (Or any other multi-ability person) got AR, and then used it to get an ability, they wouldn't lose the abilities they got before AR, because they didn't use AR to get those abilities (How could they have?).--ERROR 21:38, 14 October 2009 (EDT)

No Glowing when Acquiring Super Speed

I noticed that when Peter acquired Super Speed from Edgar, there was no glowing involved. Should we change the description to reflect this? I am bringing this up because the claim that Peter always had a hand glowing effect when using his power was used to discredit a theory that Peter took a different ability from Sylar (who was shape shifted into the imaage of the president) after shaking his hand and reverting to his original form to the suprise of Sylar. (That theory is largely irrelevant now, but I thought I'd just bring up this discrepency.) 20:52, 22 September 2009 (EDT)

  • Maybe we missed it in the middle of the fight? I do think there was a sound. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 20:59, 22 September 2009 (EDT)
    • I watched those few seconds, like, 5 times, and still missed any of the usual light effect. Also, I vaguely think there's a loud crash right around that time, so I can't say I've definitely heard the sound effect. --SpellingBee~Talk to me!~~Contribs~ 18:00, 23 September 2009 (EDT)
      • I watched it and I didn't see the glowing (I looked) or hear the sound effects, but I think the producers may have just cut it out as they didn't feel the need for such dramatic effects anymore.--WarGrowlmon18 03:18, 24 September 2009 (EDT)

2 powers?

Is it just me or did anybody else notice that after he got into the little fight with edgar, in which he touched him and somehow aquired his ability, he threw him half way across the room, in the air, and then told noah he had his ability. Now, does peter have both abilities at once or is this just a mistake. 21:09, 22 September 2009 (EDT)User:Daevon

  • No way to tell, the fight was choreographed very quickly and we only see limited camera angles. Also, effects of super speed could mimic super strength; for example throwing an object or running into someone extremely fast would of course increase the force of the impact. Same thing with super strength. -Barbedknives (talk)21:13, 22 September 2009 (EDT)
    • True but did u see how high and far he through him, daphne couldnt do that. 21:17, 22 September 2009 (EDT) User:Daevon
      • Small note: Daphne's female. However, I'm not sure even a guy could've managed it w/o a boost to his strength. --SpellingBee~Talk to me!~~Contribs~ 18:00, 23 September 2009 (EDT)
        • Daphne also carried two fully grown males long distances with her power. I can't remember the exact episodes but I know she did it. Super speed has a side effect of increasing agility and temporary strength in some cases. This kind of strength can only be maintained with momentum, and has an upward limit on lifting weights. Peter had plenty of room to lunge quickly and forcefully at Edgar, possibly throwing him a few yards. He either had super speed, super strength, or both. However I don't feel that the scene gave us enough details and information to say for sure. -Barbedknives (talk) 14:13, 24 September 2009 (EDT)
        • I think he just had one power, but Peter could have been using his own strength. I mean he clearly had increased fighting abilities (maybe he took some classes) and people can knock other people around without enhanced strength. I was impressed with his new skills and thought nothing of it.--WarGrowlmon18 03:21, 24 September 2009 (EDT)
          • I'm pretty sure he doesn't have both abilities. The writers would make a bigger deal of it if his ability had evolved. I think he had super strength, tossed Edgar across the room, and took his ability as he threw him. Therefore he now had super speed, as he said to Noah.Swm 13:22, 24 September 2009 (EDT)
            • I think he replicated it when he touched his arm. They did a close-up of that like they always do when Peter replicates a power (well except when Peter replicated from Sylar and that pissed me off) so I think that was when he did it.--WarGrowlmon18 14:48, 24 September 2009 (EDT)
              • I just watched the scene again, there are some blurring effects (similar to the ones used to illustrate super speed) used when peter tosses edgar across the room, its subtle, but I think I can safely conclude that peter immediately absorbed edgars speed and used it to toss him. I would've loved to see some indication of a multi-powered peter, but alas.Fourletterfame 10:26, 30 September 2009 (EDT)

Time manipulation

If Hiro or someone else stop time and Peter was present at the time would Peter not be frozen and that his subconscious would activate the ability.50000JH

  • As long as Peter doesn't have STM, he'll be affected. Green.gif AltesUTC CH
    • A more interesting question, can hiro's malfuntioning STM ability be absorbed by peter, and if so, will peter suffer the same difficulties or health problems as hiro currently does? Fourletterfame 09:38, 30 September 2009 (EDT)
      • I think he will, although it would be easy for him to get rid of it =) Green.gif AltesUTC CH
        • I doubt he would absorb the negative aspects. When peter was around mohinder, he didn't absorb the mutated power, neither did arthur when he was around mohinder. It seems to just pick up the ability and no mutations or side effects that aren't directly related to the power.
          • Peter was only exposed to Mohinder's mutated ability, he never accessed it. And a BTE interview stated that after stealing Peter's powers, Arthur could choose how he acquired abilities: he could steal them like he usually did, or he could use Peter's power, leaving the absorbee's ability intact. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 20:05, 30 September 2009 (EDT)

[spoiler].--WarGrowlmon18 12:52, 13 October 2009 (EDT)

  • That sounds really cool, but please, don't submit spoilers here. Green.gif AltesUTC CH

Could Peter be able to select an ability from a multi-ability person?

Peter does say at the end of Invisible Thread that he bet Sylar didn't know Peter replicated that ability. Could that allude to Peter choosing shapeshifting specfically? And if so what does that mean for us, viewers, if he tried to replicate Nathylar, Sylar who is Nathan, ability/abilities again? --Horrorman

  • Well, I doubt Peter would absorb Mohinder's ability if he had all of Sylar's, so most likely he specifically chose shape shifting. And if Sylar has flight and Peter uses AR on him, he will take flight. If Sylar doesn't have flight... I don't know what happens then. Green.gif AltesUTC CH
    • I think he has the ability to selectively choose which ability to acquire. The question is, does he have to have prior knowledge of the abilities someone has (in the case of multiples) in order to make that selection so he can have the ability he wants in mind, or is he able to "detect" each individual ability and select at the moment he touches them. The writers have fallen off the wagon on explaining the circumstances behind peter's new ability for a while now, and it's starting to wear down my patience. In the first season, there was a bit of speculation about his ability when it was first developing, and finally there were some facts laid out by mohinder about his [peter's] ability. It seems though, as of late, they are trying to give us very little to go on. We know as little about his ability as he does, that he can absorb abilities through touch, that they can be synthetic or natural, and that he can only hold one at a time. Furthermore, I once again have to say that I protest nerfing peter's ability. But I do suspect that he's currently on the path to regaining his EM, his conversation with samuel reminded me a lot of the old peter, and I think it helped him get in touch with his reasons for being a hero at all. If the statements made in the past about peter's state of mind and disconnection hold any weight at all, we may see a change for the better really soon.Fourletterfame 10:26, 30 September 2009 (EDT)
      • I'm honestly not sure here. I don't think if he could have chosen a power he would have chosen shape shifting. I think he probably meant Sylar thought he got one his other powers that were a lot more useful to fighting. If I had a choice I would have gone for telekinesis or electric manipulation. He was in a fight when he replicated and shape shifting's just good for a trick mostly. I doubt he even really had time when battling to grab Sylar for more than a second and he probably took what he could get. Maybe he could have gotten more but just didn't have enough time. A power I would have chosen if I was him was Tom's Ability. Use that on Sylar and he's completly destroyed. I doubt even he could regenerate from that unless having that ability gives him some kind of immunity to it.--WarGrowlmon18 13:12, 30 September 2009 (EDT)
    • ^I disagree. If peter took telekinesis or electric manipulation, he would be dead in seconds. They had already planned to use shape shifting, so peter specifically took it.Gamerelite1 19:58, 30 September 2009 (EDT)
      • They never said what he planned to take (I have it on DVD, so I've seen that episode again). He had no idea that Noah had that tranquilizer so he couldn't have known he could do that. I really think he just touched Sylar and took what he could get or he would have grabbed something useful for battling. It was shown in It's Coming that Sylar can be hurt by electric manipulation. If Peter took that and blasted him like Elle did (and Peter does have some experience with that power remember), he may have been able to stun Sylar long enough to knock him out. With telekinesis he could have overturned the piano on Sylar or something. Sure Sylar would eventually regenerate, but it would knock him out. If I was battling Sylar and I had a choice of one his powers, shape shifting is not the one I would have chosen. Ya know what would have been the best ability to choose (too bad Peter didn't know Sylar had it)??? Tom's ability. One hit from that and its Bye Bye Sylar. That destroys something completly and Tom indicated it did work on organic matter, Sylar couldn't regenerate from that.--WarGrowlmon18 18:12, 1 October 2009 (EDT)
        • What if Peter can only take abilities he knows of? Tom's ability is the only power Sylar never demonstrated (just like Trevor's), and I doubt Danko and his men knew Tom could destroy objects, so there was no way Peter could learn it. Green.gif AltesUTC CH
          • Stating the obvious there dude. I did say too bad Peter didn't know about it. Like I said though, he was battling Sylar, the only reason that battle ended is Nathan and Sylar flew out the window. If he could have chosen a power at that moment, I think he would have chosen one for the battle not one to later trick Sylar. As for the Trevor thing, I honestly think these writters are making these things up about abilities as they go along. For example, I think they put that in Villians so they could have him take an ability and go evil and as the Shanti Virus stripped all of his other powers, we're never gonna see it again. Also, The Hunger??? Think that was made up for the whole Villians arc as we never saw any signs of that before. They've just made Sylar too powerful (completly invincible, I mean come on!!!!!! Being able to regenerate was bad enough (wasn't happy about that one either) but pretty much unable to be killed???) and made Peter, who was like his arch-foe (which I did like by the way) too weak to basicaly battle him truly anymore. With empathic mimicry the two could battle it out without problems but then they turn it into Ability Replication and now Peter can't really fight him too well. Sorry about the rant there but it just pisses me off.--WarGrowlmon18 14:22, 2 October 2009 (EDT)
            • Oops, I missed the part about Tom's ability... But still, Peter may not be able to take powers he doesn't know of. Why did he take shape shifting? I mentioned earlier that Claire might have seen how Peter took Sylar's power, it was right at the end of the battle. Maybe Peter saw Nathan and Sylar flying away, so he planned Sylar's capture in the last moment and took shape shifting - he knew Sylar would be after the President, and impersonating him first was a good plan indeed. I guess. Green.gif AltesUTC CH
              • I rewatched that part and I never saw any indication that Claire could have seen Peter take Sylar's powers. I just saw a bunch of blue flashes of light (electric manipulation I assume) nothing that looked or sounded like Peter's power. I doubt he grabbed him at the very last second, my guess is that the two flew around and Sylar kept blasting at them and maybe while he was distracted by Nathan, Peter managed to get close enough to touch him, but I doubt he had more than a second to do it. Ya know, if Sylar hadn't taken Tom's power I'd have said he just got the last one stolen, but I think he just grabbed and got shape shifting for whatever reason.--WarGrowlmon18 15:01, 2 October 2009 (EDT)
                • I made a pic of that moment, and it was discussed here. If you have rewatched that scene, you couldn't have missed one single orange flash after many blue ones. I think that was Peter's ability. Green.gif AltesUTC CH
    • Well it definitely was his ability, but I don't see the point.