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Rename to Ability augmentation

  • In Dual, Matt notes Ando's ability as a "supercharger/supercharging", and yes, I know that the resources given in the episodes are top of the naming convention. However, I believe that with Sean Fallon's remark about Paulette Hawkins' ability in page 5 of The Kill Squad, Part 3 outranks Matt's credibility when it comes to naming abilities. I'm sure this principle of credibility was the reasoning for the renaming of Lighting to Electric manipulation as seen here. With that said it would only be reasonable to rename this article from "Ability supercharger" to "Ability augmentation".--OutbackZack 05:04, 17 December 2008 (EST)
    • No Lightning was changed because of the Assignment Tracker which is an official Heroes Evolution site. Matt named the ability "Supercharger" in the episode which is the number 1 source for naming abilities. Graphic Novels are 2nd near-canon sources. --Powermimic 08:06, 17 December 2008 (EST)
      • He used "supercharger" the way Daphne uses "speedster" (which we have NEVER used as her power's name). I hate to keep bringing it up over and over on this page, but no one has yet to respond to it, so... --Ricard Desi 08:30, 17 December 2008 (EST)
        • Like Arthur said, this is a thorny issue, I get the lightning to electric manipulation argument, the reason was that while in a lower canon level, it was more explicit. The question now is who was more explicit in the naming of the ability, Matt or Sean. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 08:42, 17 December 2008 (EST)
          • Going back to what Ricard said, sure we don't use Daphne's description of "speedster" as the ability but that is because there is a pre-established name for the ability. So "supercharger" is a far more appropriate name for Ando's ability because of the nature of it. Horrorman 08:50, 17 December 2008 (EST)
            • I say that ability augmentation is the correct version because it would explain Ando 'killing' Hiro he probably learned what to augment and instead caused Hiro's ability to stop time to be reversed and Hiro was frozen in time, while time passed outside, causing a death-like state. Supercharging Ted would cause him to create more radiation, but augmenting him would create the same effect, but also allow his control to be enhanced as well. Augmenting would also include the ability to re/de/activate abilities. which is a good way for the writers to give Hiro back his ability.
    • The Heroes Evolution sites and the graphic novels are equally canon. Why they had change Lighting to Electric manipulation was because the Assignment trackers are more credible in the area of understanding abilities than the characters who were calling Elle's powers Lighting. I believe this is the same case, because Sean Fallon would have to have been some sort of expert on some level to do the missions that were handed to him by the company. It's even safe to say that Gael briefed him on that ability, because of what Sean said about Gael wanting The Kill Squad to bring back Paulette in one piece. Either way you look at it Sean has more credibility than Matt when it comes to naming an ability because of his experience at The Company and/or the information that is given to him before each missions.--OutbackZack 13:42, 17 December 2008 (EST)
  • We don't really know if Paulette Hawkins ability is the same as Ando's. Did she have red electricity running through the other person? Maybe her power is too augment, where Ando can "Supercharge". 'Augment' mean to make something greater... 'Supercharge', to charge with excessive amount of energy. --Powermimic 21:19, 17 December 2008 (EST)
    • Are you saying there should be a split in the article? --OutbackZack 21:22, 17 December 2008 (EST)
      • Well no, but if there's a clear difference between the two, then I guess, yes... --Powermimic 21:25, 17 December 2008 (EST)
        • I don't see a reason to split the article, not yet. If we kept Niki and Knox with the same ability despite the differences and arguments for the split, we should also keep this as one ability, it's not like we haven't seen abilities with different effects. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 06:54, 18 December 2008 (EST)
          • Yeah you have a point about Niki and Knox but i still say that Ando's ability is Power Augmentation, not Supercharging. Now still spliting the article is a stupid idea, but If Powermimic is right and Ando's ability is different then Paulette's then I say no name change and to split the article anyone say otherwise? -- EmpathicMimic0 - Talk - Special:Contributions/EmpathicMimic0 17:45, 18 December 2008 (EST)
            • I don't think we should split the article yet, but we don't know the full extent to Ando's ability. He has red electricity running through his hands, which he maybe able to shoot. I think it's speculative to say that Paulette has the same ability. Other than 'making someones ability greater', do they have anything else in common? --Powermimic 01:55, 19 December 2008 (EST)
  • No reason to split. Powermimic, you mention the difference between the effects used for Paulette and Ando. Keep in mind, it may have been the choice of the colorist of The Kill Squad, Part 3 to make her hand's yellow. Ted using induced radioactivity in How Do You Stop An Exploding Man? is depicted as green, yet the power is depicted as from red to orange to yellow across all users on-screen. Also, we dunno how else Paulette has used her ability, we were only shown once. Both Ando and Paulette are KNOWN to amplify the abilities of others, and that's enough to call them the same ability. Until PROVEN that Paulette cannot do what F--Ando did, leave it alone. Also I like the term "supercharging" as it is the most accurate thing given to us in canon. Augment means not only enhance, but change and alter as well, which may not be 100% accurate to what this ability is or is not capable of. --SacValleyDweller (talk) 02:36, 19 December 2008 (EST)
    • I'd argue "amplification" is significantly more correct than "augmentation". --Ricard Desi 11:50, 19 December 2008 (EST)
      • Personally I think the use of the ability in the series should hold more weight than the use in the graphic novels if only because not all of us have read them (Sorry just don't have the time lately). Now I know most of us have, in fact, seen the series from episode one on, so the naming convention used in the series should, as I said, hold more weight than the more obscure use in the graphic novels. I say stick with supercharging over augmentation for this and for the reason stated by Powermimic, that augmentation is to make something greater, and to supercharge is to make excessively greater. Also, I believe amplification is too identical to augmentation to work. Seems like there's a finer level of control to simply "amplify" a power. Ando definately overdoes it and he doesn't seem to have much control over it. The way he literally charges them with what appears to be a form of electricity seems to argue well for the fact that it's more of a supercharge than an amplification as well. NeoAg7 22:39, 28 December 2008 (EST)
        • You have a point about little control but that doesn't really matter. Control doesn't set the name. EmpathicMimic0 07:08, 29 December 2008 (EST)
          • In that case you go back to naming convention. The first person to name the ability as it was used by Ando was Matt. All sources point to supercharge as opposed to augmentation or amplification. NeoAg7 13:34, 29 December 2008 (EST)
            • This reminds me of the Lightning/Electric Manipulation debate, which ended in the knowledgeable near-canon trumping the inexperienced Canon reference. Max G. (T) 21:42, 2 January 2009 (EST)
              • It has now been referred to as super charging by two separate characters. Matt referred to it as super charging in Dual, and Hiro referred to Ando as a "super charger" in A Clear and Present Danger. I think that means that it should be called "super charging" as two words instead of one (see the subtitles of what Hiro said to Ando in A Clear and Present Danger. It specifically translates to "super charger"). NeoAg7 23:25, 2 February 2009 (EST)

Rename to Electron Manipulation

Nearly ALL powers involve the use of electrons in one way or the other. Matt uses the brain where electric synapses ARE the mind, thoughts, etc... Traveling back in time can be considered as an electron traveling backwards. Other powers like super strength/speed are the command for the contraction of the muscles being fired way faster and that are, again, electrons. Sylar touches the brain while copying powers, Peter might copy the powers by the electromagnetic aura humans make, Micah might communicate with machines by electrons(good point here), electric manipulation(another good point) obvious use...etc.

Now, I am not saying that all powers involve electrons, also some powers are up there with flying raindeers, but Future Ando throwing lightning can be easily explained this way. I mean common, when he hit the table small electric arcs where all over his hand...

Anyway, I am really looking forward to the next movie ^^ --Discipol.

  • Actually, tell me if i'm wrong here, but i was thinking that Ando's power played on the adrinaline in ones system making them double-super...thats why the show flicked back and forth b/w Ando and his abilities and Meredith with her problem after being injected with adrinaline, to show the similarities...did anyone else think this?--Anthony Gooch 09:38, 17 December 2008 (EST)
  • I see absolutely no precedent for renaming Ando's ability this way. The standard is to name powers by what they accomplish, not by some unverifiable explanation of how they work. Most Heroes abilities are physically impossible by the known laws of physics, so a pseudoscientific explanation isn't very helpful, anyway. --Ted C 09:44, 17 December 2008 (EST)
  • I'm with Ted C on this one. We have a canon name, it describes the ability reasonably well, and the alternatives that aren't ruled out by naming convention are too speculative to use. And the adrenaline idea is interesting, to be sure. I'm sure it wasn't meant to be a point about this article, but the mechanics of how powers actually work have (mostly) been left out of naming conventions so far. Even if the "powers manipulate electrons" hypothesis is somehow correct, it doesn't necessarily warrant a change in the article name. The effect of the ability- namely, increasing other abilities- remains the same no matter what the actual mechanism. ~~Darmenos 16:52, 17 December 2008 (EDT)
  • I don't see any reason to rename the power from "ability supercharging". -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 18:57, 17 December 2008 (EST)
  • Maybe since abilitys are related to Adrenaline , Andos power could change the persons Adrenaline. making them "supercharged" (only a stupid guess)--Knox_1992 00:12, 18 December 2008 (EST)
    • While certainly a valid theory, doesn't really affect the naming issue. ~~Darmenos 18:30, 17 December 2008 (EDT)
  • I agree the ability needs to be rename, but not to Electron manipulation. Nowhere in any canon or near-canon source does that name comes up. Ability augmentation is mention by Sean Fallon, who has more credibility than Matt, which is I believe is the proper name for this ability.--OutbackZack 19:38, 17 December 2008 (EST)
  • I agree that it's a dumb name, but it's canon, at least for now. We'll just have to wait for another episode to name it differently. ~~Darmenos 18:45, 17 December 2008 (EDT)
    • That wasn't the case when we renamed Lighting to Electric manipulation. --OutbackZack 19:47, 17 December 2008 (EST)
    • That was not an analogous case. Electrical Manipulation was meant to be an explicit, scientific naming of the ability. It was from the assignment tracker. "Ability Augmentation" could be considered a description and was from the graphic novel. Very different cases. ~~Darmenos 18:59, 17 December 2008 (EDT)
      • But it was stated by Sean Fallon who at the time worked with The Company and is an expert in the field regarding abilities. The Assignment Tracker is also from The Company, the very same organization that had train Sean to become an expert.--OutbackZack 20:04, 17 December 2008 (EST)
      • Just because he was experienced with abilities does not mean that he explicitly named the ability in that case. The Company did not brief him on much more than the basics of each person's abilities- their exact nature was figured out by scientists by Mohinder. A description stated by a member of the Company is not the same as an explicit name from the Company's official catalog of abilities. ~~Darmenos 19:13, 17 December 2008 (EDT)
        • Sean was briefed pretty well by Gael before he was sent out on the mission. This is evident when Sean stated that Gael wanted her back in one piece and that she was very important to The Company. He further stated what their mission was and that Paulette was an augmenter. This is more explicit compare to "supercharging".--OutbackZack 20:22, 17 December 2008 (EST)

Ando and the Haitian

Their powers are sort of opposites. I like it, and wonder how they would interact. --Dumpster juice 19:50, 17 December 2008 (EST)

  • I was thinking the same thing, the Haitian dulls or stops the use of abilities to a degree, but ando amplifies them.I was wondering if the Haitian could be supercharged by ando and dull the whole world, or, would they cancel each other out, the Haitian unable to dull ando and ando unable to supercharge the Haitian?--DEADEYE 22:40, 18 December 2008 (EST)

Ability Amplification

Even stated in the description of the article, augmentation is adding something but amplification is increasing, so no no to Augmentation.

  • Adding and increasing...same thing, different wording. Plus Ability amplification isn't stated in any cannon or near cannon sources. Also please remember to add your signature :) --OutbackZack 20:14, 17 December 2008 (EST)
    • Actually, he's right. To augment to "Thing A", you are adding "Thing B" to "Thing A". To amplify "Thing A", you cause "Thing A" to be multiplied. Amplification is the more correct term. --Ricard Desi 10:53, 18 December 2008 (EST)
      • You could add "Thing A" to "Thing A" and it's still augmented. Aside from that, what Paula and Ando are doing IS augmentation according to your "Thing A/B" logic, in that they're adding their ability to whoever they touch to increase their ability. (Notice both go together there.) A non-related example would be an augmented chord in music. Move the last note up one half step and it's augmented. You're not adding anything to it, but you're increasing the note. --Riddler 12:20, 19 December 2008 (EST)
        • Riddler is right. "To make greater, more numerous, larger, or more intense." - Definition of Augment from Merriam-Webster. Augmenting doesn't always mean adding something. Augmentation would be the more correct term because it was derived from what was said in the GN: Augmenter - "One who, or that which, augments or increases anything." Amplification hasn't been used so far and since amplification is a synonym of augmentation, it should probably stay as the description (to amplify) of the ability, unless its stated in canon. -- Cael 02:18, 20 December 2008 (EST)
          • Or we could step away from alliteration and refer to it as 'ability enhancement'.--Darthemed 04:11, 20 December 2008 (EST)
            • Or, again, we could go with what it was called. Not to sound rude, but how come every time we have something that is named, everyone has to find a synonym or different name entirely?--Riddler 01:51, 21 December 2008 (EST)
              • I was just trying to point out what Sean Fallon said, who I felt was more credible than Matt when it came to understanding abilities. Now pulling names out of the sky isn't at all needed. That I agree with. --OutbackZack 07:45, 21 December 2008 (EST)
  • To follow up the Thing A-B logic.. I agree with Riddler too. The persons ability only increases once augmented(charged) meaning touched by Ando-Paulette. If it were Amplification people might think the effects are permanent. Thing A + Thing B = Thing A. It's the original ability (Thing A) that eventually does the trick after being exposed to Thing B. So I'm wooing for Ability Augmentation. (btw I have a headache now!) But who are we kidding they both mean the same thing -> change of magnitude <-- But since the name Ability Augmentation is the most logic one and is already Cannon, we should go for that! DarthYotho 07:40, 2 January 2009 (EST)

alterni007: i personally agree with this, and i think that this is a good idea

  • i love this name i dont just like Ability Supercharger i like This a lot better--Skyeatsout 16:08, 6 April 2009 (EDT)

The fault of the World Splitting in Half

  • Any of you guys think that Ando's ability must be the cause of the world destruction. I'm thinking because if Ando supercharges Peter's ability then he would end up absorbing the abilities of a whole city. And as stated by Mohinder once, Peter is like a sponge, he's not just copying the ability, he's absorbing it. And this super absorption would make him end up like Kirby Plaza again, but this time its not just the whole city, its the whole world...XD

--NiveKJ13 (talk2me) 21:20, 17 December 2008 (EST)

  • But Future Ando was using his power on Future Hiro in the the future that aired in I Am Become Death when the tsunami hit. So I doubt that it could be Ando unless Ando was in two places at once in that future.--MiamiVolts (talk) 22:04, 17 December 2008 (EST)
  • I think that amplifying Peter's ability in the way you described is a possibility. Whether or not that is what leads to the world being torn apart seems unlikely from a scripting point of view. It seems a little to anticlimactic.--Hans Dritten 23:00, 17 December 2008 (EST)
  • A friend of mine suggested that the world being blown apart was the result of Supercharging + Induced Radioactivity. We've already seen that Peter (and Sylar, for that matter) can explode with enough force to destroy a city. Now imagine an explosion 9001 times more powerful.... --AmbroBaby 19:02, 21 January 2009 (EST)

It killed a Future Hiro, right?

Ability augmentation seems to be it does but perhaps it does this because it increases other abilites by increasing some function in the brain. Perhaps this is how he killed Hiro as he supercharged his brain until it caused him to pass out or die...Since it happened in the future Ando is probably much more adept with... I guess we'll see what happens in the next volume. Also I noticed it activates others abilites without their own action. Daphne grabbed Ando but didn't activate her own ability.--Dave

  • I think his power just increases the adrenaline in someone's system. Thats why the writers had Noah explain what was happening to Meredith when Sylar injected her....so, i guess you could say that if Ando (with 4 years of experince behind it) knows how to increse someones adrenaline, then in theory he could overpower them and shut them down (either for a while or for good)...anyone else agree or at least understand what im saying?--Anthony Gooch 14:48, 18 December 2008 (EST)
  • I sent this one out to the fine folks at the 10th Wonders, and I came up 3 theories on how this was able to take Hiro down. 1, it sent Hiro's consciousness through time, like Desmond in Lost. 2, throwing it at Hiro, it generated enough force to at least knock in out. And 3, Hiro was de-powered in this future, and the power supercharger could be deadly to people without powers.--Gibbeynator
    • No one suggested 4, the shock gave Hiro his ability back causing him to collapse in a similar manner to the way Ando collapsed when gaining his ability.--MiamiVolts (talk) 03:21, 19 December 2008 (EST)
  • Hiro's power allows him to stop time and go forward and backward through time. When he uses his ability the world is affected but he isnt. I think supercharging his ability would allow Hiro to change with time. Perhaps to get younger. or lets say he gets injured, changing time so that he is no longer injured.--Hans Dritten 19:38, 19 December 2008 (EST)
    • User:Shadowulf1 20:15, 21 December 2008 (EST) I think that Hiro misread his vision of the future... Not to sound stuck in the now, but what reason would Ando have to kill Hiro? And the power doesn't seem to have any negative effects on the people that he uses the power on (no dizziness, disorientation, etc.), just increased powers.
      • Remember, that future where F_Ando killed F_Hiro no longer exists. Who knows what led up that future--maybe Ando and Hiro had a falling out of some sort. Also, we haven't ever seen Ando use the power on a person who doesn't have powers (remember that Hiro doesn't have any powers right now, and he may not have in the future where he is killed). Also, Ando has only just learned what his power is and has only used it for a few hours at best. Perhaps as time goes on he will learn how to use it in other ways--perhaps to supercharge a person's heart to make it beat super fast and explode. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:46, 21 December 2008 (EST)
  • A slight tangent, but I read somewhere on this wiki (cant remember where; am about to go to bed so damned if I'm hunting) the speculation that Ando's Lightning Blast was more of a side-effect of him supercharging his own ability (he makes small sparks anyway, plus he put his hands together before Smiting Hiro). I'd imagine a sparky blast like that would, in its own right, be seriously lethal. Did the original speculation get shot down? Just wondering, y'all =) --AmbroBaby 19:07, 21 January 2009 (EST)

Common Sense

Isn't it common sense that the name should not be "ability supercharging" but something else that is sensibly covers Ando's ability such as ability amplification, or augmentation ( to a certain extent). Besides Matt more then likely was describing his ability not naming it. It's also possible that Ando's Ability may also be something completly different such as "Synthetic Adrenaline Production" which would explain how F_Ando killed F_Hiro (because adrenaline can make the heart pump so fast it pumps out air). Also the name supercharging itself does not make sense to go along with some previous statements about Daphne being a "speedster" we don't call her power "speedstering" we call it something that actually reflects the powers effect, not what we describe it as. So infact ability supercharging shouldn't be cannon, it should actually be describing. Because that's what Matt did. Paul L. 4:37, 23 December 2008?

Permanent

If Ando amplified his on power would all other power he amplify after that be permanent? --Future21 05:13, 23 December 2008 (EST)

Nothing seems to suggest that. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 11:24, 23 December 2008 (EST)
That seems like the only logical amplification on his on power.--Future21 11:38, 23 December 2008 (EST)

Remember Matt said that his power was supercharging Gabriel Bishop 11:56, 23 December 2008 (EST) Gabriel Bishop

Matt didn't say that, he described his power as such. Paul L. 06:06, 26 December 2008
What could possibly be the point of having an amplification power in the show if they could just amplify themselves and "upgrade" people? Besides, I find it highly unlikely that an amplifier can amplify himself. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 02:42, 26 December 2008 (EST)
That would probably kill him because he would not be able to stop the amplification causing a cycle of supercharging and his body would not be able to handle it and would die, but nature (and the rule of Ted) prevent that so no he wouldn't.EmpathicMimic0 01:30, 27 December 2008
Not all supers have the law of ted applied to them. Paul L. 04:46, 27 December 2008
Yeah, like Elle. Titan3510 21:02, 6 February 2009 (EST)

User:Shadowulf1 16:09, 31 December 2008 (EST) why are we speculating again? I think the name should stay power augmentation, like it was when Paulette Hawkins was the only ability supercharger. Just like you call one with the power precognition a precog, and a person with superhuman speed a speedster or a superspeeder (for the older folks) you don't call the ability "precogging" or "superspeeding"; just call it Power/Ability Augmentation or Power/Ability Boosting (I thought this site was beyond the use of neologisms anyway)

How about Ability Manipulation?

This is really a good idea because it does cover all of what the ability has been shown to do.EmpathicMimic0
    • Sorry, it doesn't even have a root in canon, half - canon, or anything, to be honest, other than a discriptive nature which mightn't be accurate,--IotV 22.07, 9 January 2009 (GMT)
      • In addition that, the name suggests that Ando can decrease the power of abilities, in addition to amplifying them. -Sincerely, Thrashmeister » talk- 10:32, 16 February 2009 (EST)

Examples

  • There is only one example showing Ando's supercharging on Daphne here (the time she went back a few seconds) but he used this ability twice on Daphne so far. Therefore shouldn't there be two seperate examples to show this? --Isaac Mendez 14:07, 27 January 2009 (EST)

Possibly rename to Energy Manipulation

Ando's powers does seem to be well covered by this, and the fact that he could have killed Hiro by absorbing or taking out his or energy or imploding him from the inside. This also shows how he can manipulate the abilities of others by transferring more energy to the abilities and/or bodies of others. -- Signyour Poste

  • A legit theory, but it's still completely speculative and has absolutely no basis in canon. -Sincerely, Thrashmeister » talk- 22:35, 17 February 2009 (EST)
  • Or, it could just be Energy Emission, and he's thinking more outside the box, than just the canon. The_Oracle101

Agreed, Thrashmeister.--ERROR 12:50, 11 June 2009 (EDT)

Main Image

Does anyone think that either of these pictures are good for the main image? Example 1 and Example 2.--Catalyst

  • I think the current one it's still the best one, since it shows Ando actually supercharging an ability. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:55, 20 February 2009 (EST)
    • Personnally I don't mind if the main image is changed, I think it would be better to use Example 2. --posted by Laughingdevilboy

Talk 18:59, 20 February 2009 (EST)

    • I'm with Empath on this one. The current image is the best example of the ability's use. --Darmenos 14:31, 27 February 2009 (EST)

How about this? http://s225.photobucket.com/albums/dd24/fire_at_willz/?action=view&current=641pj7.gif&jwidget_action=search --Isaac Mendez 18:13, 11 March 2009 (EDT)

  • That's an animation, they don't move here in wiki, we have two of those (one of Candice dropping the Simone illusion and one from explosion future Peter using telekinesis while dropping invisibility). Until Ando uses his ability to supercharge someone else's ability again, I don't see the main image changing. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:20, 11 March 2009 (EDT)
    • Personally, I think the animation would be good in the examples myself.-- Catalyst · Talk · HL 14:43, 25 March 2009 (EDT)

This image is similar to one we already have, but it seems more sharp.-- Catalyst · Talk · HL 21:06, 24 April 2009 (EDT)

      • Umm... If you get the current image with the quality of the one you uploaded, I'm on it. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 21:18, 24 April 2009 (EDT)
        • Well i found this pic. But i'll do the best i can do.-- Catalyst · Talk · HL 21:22, 24 April 2009 (EDT)
          • I am having difficulties fixing the original. Someone else with more experience might have to try. What is wrong with the picture I just uploaded?-- Catalyst · Talk · HL 21:38, 24 April 2009 (EDT)

Different Abilities

Couldn't one argue that Paulette and Ando have two different, but similar abilities? Both manifest different and Paulette's seems to need physical contact while Ando's has a range and can be activated as simple red sparks. Plus Ando can redirect his as a blast and do some damage other than just making an ability overload.

  • I've always argued that they are different abilities, for two main reasons. First of all Paulette's ability is permanent, if the ability is augmented it remains augmented. Also she can do it in reverse and weaken an ability permanently. Secondly there is no animation or effects when Paulette uses it, Ando creates red lightning - A noticeable difference. Oh and make sure to add your signature after adding a comment mate. It's easy just click the signature button above the section you are editing. --Steely McBeam - (talk) 04:00, 24 March 2009 (EDT)
  • I think they are different. Ando "charges", Paulette "augments". Similar, but different way. --Powermimic 05:14, 24 March 2009 (EDT)
    • It was never said that Paulette's ability had permanent effects, or that she could weaken abilities, don't know where you're pulling that from. And Paulette's ability did have an effect, there was a golden glow, it was not that flashy, but it was there. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:04, 24 March 2009 (EDT)
      • It has also been proven now Ando's powers can be used offenisvely- whereas Paulette's can't, and the powers look very different as well. Wikopedicman
        • Paulette was never given a chance to make much use of her ability, at least based on what we've seen. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 20:34, 7 April 2009 (EDT)

Name No Longer Fits Convention

Now that we know there is a more weaponized form of Ando's version of this ability, it no longer fits the naming conventions according to the naming article. ("As a general rule, for a possible name to be considered the name of an ability, it should include at least all aspects of the ability which have been displayed; otherwise, it is considered to be the name of an aspect or effect of the ability.") Time for a rename --Action Figure 04:26, 24 March 2009 (EDT)

  • I think it still fits. Ando shot a blast at a non-superhuman, which could have different effects. The ability acts like electricity; used the wrong way and you could electrocute yourself. If anything, maybe this could be renamed to just "Super Charging". --Powermimic 05:08, 24 March 2009 (EDT)
    • I don't think anything has changed. This "weaponized form" of Ando's ability is new to him, but it's not new to the audience. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 07:50, 24 March 2009 (EDT)
      • Well those comments just help my case. Ability names, according to the rules of the wiki, are supposed to cover ALL aspects of an ability (which is why, for instance, Hiro's ability is called "Space-Time Manipulation"). And to Ryan, that just means we know we've been wrong for calling it this all along. The fact that we the audience pretty much could assume since seeing the ability for the first time that it had this affect just means we should have found a different name from the beginning. I only said "now that we know" in my original comment because it is truly CONFIRMED now. The name needs a change. This clearly falls under the same category as "Space-Time" or "Mental Manipulation". I dont MIND the current name, it simply doesnt fit wiki protocol. I think people get too complacent with names once they have been on the wiki for a while. --Action Figure 10:57, 24 March 2009 (EDT)
        • One problem is that we've not been given a newer canonical term that might fit better. The canonical supercharging term we were provided does still apply and the fact that Ando has found a way to weaponize it doesn't really change that, however if we were given a new term that encompasses both uses of it I do believe it would end up being changed. (Admin 11:08, 24 March 2009 (EDT))
    • Then this wording should be changed (from the naming conventions):

When a possible name for an ability appears in a canon, near-canon, or secondary source, it is important to consider whether the name describes the ability itself or merely one or more of its effects or applications:

  • Some abilities allow for multiple effects; for example, Hiro's ability allows him to manipulate space-time, with separate effects of teleportation, time-travel, and chronokinesis. While all of these names have appeared in various sources (teleportation and time travel in canon sources, chronokinesis in a secondary source), each describes only an aspect of his ability. Therefore, none of the three can be considered a canon source name for his ability as a whole.
  • As a general rule, for a possible name to be considered the name of an ability, it should include at least all aspects of the ability which have been displayed; otherwise, it is considered to be the name of an aspect or effect of the ability.
  • Such a name may also include or imply aspects of the ability which have not yet been seen. This differs from a descriptive name, which should not imply aspects of the ability which have not been seen. So long as the name provided includes all that is known, it can be assumed to be a canon, near-canon, or secondary source name, and should be treated accordingly.

This implies that even if a name is provided in canon, it must cover all aspects. As you are the admin, you can change it if you feel this rule is no longer needed, but until then.... (Knox's "enhanced strength" could be brought into this discussion and probably a few more as well....) --Action Figure 11:17, 24 March 2009 (EDT)

    • I went ahead and put the rename template on here, as it needs to be done. Imprinting should change too, since I seem to be the lone warrior for these two renames... :) --Action Figure 09:58, 26 March 2009 (EDT)
  • The name's OK, we already have accelerated probability, which allows, too, electrocuting others. --Altes 05:14, 27 March 2009 (EDT)
    • That just means there's at least THREE powers that dont fit the rules of the conventions, not that it makes this one ok. --Action Figure 15:04, 27 March 2009 (EDT)

Anyone feel opposed to this?

The way I see it, Ability supercharging is a different ability to Paulette's ability. For those of you who don't remember it, she augmented abilities - a process very different to Ando's. She could permanently augment an ability increasing or diminishing it's power, whereas Ando's effect only lasts for as long as the charge itself. Ando's ability also doubles as a weapon, something Paulette's ability never demonstrated. So how does anyone else feel on this? --Steely McBeam - (talk) 07:57, 24 March 2009 (EDT)

To be fair, Paulette did die before she could use it as a weapon, so we have no proof she couldn't use it as a weapon. --Gibbeynator 09:15, 24 March 2009 (EDT)
I say make two pages. --Nax 03:24, 25 March 2009 (EDT)
I don't see enough differences yet. I don't remember Paulette doing anything other than increasing someone's power. I also don't think we have enough to assume hers is permenent - yeah, Brendan's was permenent (as far as we know), but he's an odd case; part of his ability was that he was "plant-like". He went from "plant-like" to a whole forest, so I can see why this may be a rare case where the augment would stick.--BardinessBoy 03:42, 25 March 2009 (EDT)
It was stated somewhere that her ability was permanent and that she could only augment abilities increasing or diminishing their power. As for whether it could be harnessed as a weapon was never seen.--Steely McBeam - (talk) 03:58, 25 March 2009 (EDT)
Where was this stated? I follow BTE's and the interviews done for here, but I don't recall anything like that. The article itself doesn't mention anything on Paulette's ability being permanent or being able to weaken people's powers, either. --BardinessBoy 15:13, 25 March 2009 (EDT)
I am sure however that the original article - Ability augmentation said this, it was just deleted in the merge.--Steely McBeam - (talk) 10:16, 26 March 2009 (EDT)
I agree Steelymcbeam. Ando obviously has supercharging (and the red lightning that goes with it) but Paulette obviously has ability augmentation. I agree that they should be separated. All of Steelymcbeam's contentions also make sense. "to be fair, Paulette did die before she could use it as a weapon," is a illegitimate argument, because we could say that given the opportunity, ANY other power could double for something else. I say we split the pages. Random guy 00:32, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
I don't think it's obvious that they're different abilities. There are obviously differences, I agree; Ando's is red, more electrical and has been used offensively, while Paulettes' is a pale orange, is a simple glow and hasn't been used offensively. However, Paulette and her ability have only been in one graphic novel, and that novel just doesn't give us enough information to reach a solid conclusion. --BardinessBoy 18:37, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
But if the old article did have it, why isn't the information somewhere on this page? And if it did have information on the extent of Paulette's ability, where did it get it from? --BardinessBoy 18:37, 31 March 2009 (EDT)

New Main Image

Should we change the main image to Ando shooting the agent with 'red lightning', it looks much better (nobody has uploaded it yet), but I think it would be really good --IronyUTC CH 13:55, 24 March 2009 (EDT)

I don't like that, as I said before, until Ando supercharges someone else's ability, I don't see the image changing. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:04, 24 March 2009 (EDT)
  • I like that idea. Him shooting the agent would be a great picture. Hopefully, someone will upload it.-- Catalyst · Talk · HL 20:47, 24 March 2009 (EDT)

Alright, i did my best to try and get an image. Image:005-1-1.jpg -- here it is. I know it doesn't look that great, so if someone can please fix it up, it can go in the examples page. Thanks!Catalyst · Talk · HL 00:43, 27 March 2009 (EDT)

  • If someone fixed it up I think it would look much better :) --IronyUTC CH 05:25, 27 March 2009 (EDT)
    • Whoops, didn't see that version, but I uploaded this. It's the best I could do with my sloth-like reflexes, so feel free to re-up it :). -- Psilaq R.- \m/ -_- \m/- 13:29, 27 March 2009 (EDT)
      • Apart from the completely strange look on Ando's face, I think it looks much better --IronyUTC CH 13:37, 27 March 2009 (EDT)
    • I'm not sure who changed it but it looks much better --IronyUTC CH 13:59, 27 March 2009 (EDT)s
      • Yeah, that looks way much better than the one that i uploaded. Good job Psilaq!-- Catalyst · Talk · HL 14:11, 27 March 2009 (EDT)
      • Thanks ;)! I don't think it should be the main image, though, just because it doesn't emphasize the supercharging aspect of his ability. -- Psilaq R.- \m/ -_- \m/- 14:15, 27 March 2009 (EDT)
        • IceGhost78 i support the image of ando blasting the agent because it shows the power in full flight
          • I still hold my opinion, until Ando supercharges someone's ability again, I don't support an image change, images aren't chosen just cause they're flashy. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 15:40, 27 March 2009 (EDT)
            • What I think is missing from the name is the fact that it can be used as a weapon, I think (as the name is describing the supercharging element) we should have an image showing the weaponised form --IronyUTC CH 12:34, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
              • Telepathy has a ton of different effects, but we don't change the image with every new effect, it's not possible, same thing with this ability. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 12:45, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
                • Intuitive Empath, you are saying that you think we should wait until he zaps another evolved human. But what about when he charged Hiro in The Second coming? That shows what Ando is doing to him, right?-- Catalyst » My talk Page- 21:23, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
                  • And that didn't affect his ability in any way, so it's the same as Ando zapping people to knock them out. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:49, 31 March 2009 (EDT)

Why Split?

I don't see why everyone is rushing to split the power description. Did it ever occur to anyone that using a power offensively doesn't necessarily change it's inherent purpose? Just because someone can throw a chair and hurt someone with it does not change the primary function of the chair to a weapon. -Barbedknives (talk)00:42, 29 March 2009 (EDT)

  • Not unless your name is Steve Ballmer, anyway. This is like what happened with neurocognitive deficit - there technically should be consensus to merge OR split a page; from what I've seen here, we do/did not have it for either. Also, I believe we are not exactly being consistent here; we split ND from MM because Anna didn't show all the effects the Haitian did, but we put these to together when Paulette's ability to date wasn't even similar in appearance, much less effects. --Yamawhata? 23:24, 10 April 2009 (EDT)
    • We do have confirmation that Anna's ability and the Haitian's ability really can't be compared yet. (See here for the latest.) But I agree with you, I don't think Ando's ability should have ever been grouped with Paulette's ability. Similar abilities are not necessarily the same ability. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:31, 10 April 2009 (EDT)

Maybe just Supercharging?

It could just be called supercharging as we have seen it supercharge Daphne's super speed and Matt's telepathy. The only thing i can think of for the concussive blast could be that it supercharges the heart rate to the point that a normal human will be knocked out. Obelisk52 17:41 30 March 2009

  • Maybe they are thrown back by the force of the supercharge hitting them.Obelisk52 - Talk - Contributions 17:12 31 March 2009
  • I don't think the 'ability' is needed in the title. I don't mind if it's just "Super Charging". And it can better explain all aspects of the ability. (the electrocuting normal humans) --Powermimic 03:14, 6 April 2009 (EDT)

Could it be something to do with energy?Like he can charge peoples powers by passing energy to them and also send a blast of energy with force?Something along the lines of Dragonball Z and all that. --Colin4679 07:02, 6 April 2009

  • JKL calls it "supercharger" plus "energy blaster" (*) --Juba 08:08, 6 April 2009 (EDT)

Ability supercharging lightning

It describes what the ability does. It generates a lightning. This lightning can supercharge abilities, and can also blast melons. Mateussf 08:43, 18 April 2009 (EDT)

"Generates a lightning?" WTF?!?!?!

"Blast melons?" We know it can do more than that.

Indeed, Intuitive Empath. We don't know whether it's electricity or not. Besides, the name we have is from a canon source.--ERROR 12:42, 11 June 2009 (EDT)

    • what was your thought process on this name, just combine everything about it into one phrase?? also it doesn't make sense the way you put it together; the ability has nothing to do with lightning. --Tsmarg

Disabling electronics

  • Check out the scene just after Ando zaps the Building 26 van where Ando tells Hiro that he was about to get tasered. The dart was blinking, then Ando shocks the dart, and then the dart is dark. Based on this scene, Red Lightning can either disable electronics or interact with electricity. -- Signyour Poste
    • I think Ando's zap simply short-circuited out the dart. --Radicell 00:50, 26 April 2009 (EDT)
      • Even if the blast merely short-circuited out the dart, that is indicative of the fact that it is not merely restricted to affecting organic matter, and that it has some effect on electronics. -- Signyour Poste
        • The article doesn't say it doesn't affect inorganic matter, affecting people's abilities doesn't mean it can't affect electronics. Saying that he can do it with the little info we have is very speculative. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 19:19, 26 April 2009 (EDT)