Talk:Alejandro's ability

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Oct 2007-Nov 2008 I think the perfect name is "Poison Emission Alternation/
Nov 2008-Jul 2009 This Discuss

Poison Manipulation for Maya and Alejandro's

This could be like Hiro's space and time manipulation where he has three aspects to his ability but unlike Matt's telepath are not extension of the original.

Poison Emittions: Reverse the effects:Is able to direct to another person or themselves Bring back the dead: --50000JH 10:08, 1 October 2009 (EDT)50000JH

  • Then it's definitely not the same as Maya's ability. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:31, 9 October 2009 (EDT)
  • Maya and Alejandro's abilities were related, but different: Maya could emit poison and deactivate the process, while Alejandro could only deactivate. He was just an antidote. Green.gif AltesUTC CH
  • Maybe Alejandro body itself did not how to emit poison. User:50000JH/sig
    • Alejandro actually seemed to absorb Maya's poison... Green.gif AltesUTC CH

No intention on being rude, but you speculate a lot about useless stuff. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 20:49, 10 October 2009 (EDT)

Poison Emission Negation and Immunity

I know it's a mouthful, but it covers all aspects of the power.--Ratclaws 16:39, 5 November 2009 (EST)

  • Maybe "poison absorption and immunity". Says the same thing and it's shorter. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 16:44, 5 November 2009 (EST)
    • Yeah, that is better. His ability absorbs the poison, and he is immune to it.--Ratclaws 16:56, 5 November 2009 (EST)
      • I like just "Poison absorption". But the "and immunity" part doesn't bug me. --Skullman1392 21:21, 8 November 2009 (EST)
        • Yeah. If he can absorb it, than you have to immediately know that he is immune, otherwise he would die. Poison absorption is the way to go.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 21:24, 8 November 2009 (EST)
          • That is exactly what I wanted to say, but I wasn't sure if I would word it right :P --Skullman1392 21:49, 8 November 2009 (EST)
  • Sorry, but I disagree. "Poison absorption" suggests he can affect any form of poison, whether it came from Maya or not. For instance, he could heal a person that was contaminated by a regular toxin. Since we do not know if this is true, the name seems to me inadequate. --Referos 19:14, 11 November 2009 (EST)
    • That's what the limits section is for. I like the name "Poison absorption", and since Maya's ability is called "Poison Emission", this fits. --Powermimic 02:31, 22 November 2009 (EST)
      • I agree and I'm for said change. --OutbackZack 18:38, 27 November 2009 (EST)
        • According to our naming conventions, a descriptive name created by the community for an ability cannot suggest possible unknown effects of the ability. Since simply "posion absorption" suggests that Alejandro can absorb poison in general, even if you explain it in the article the name is still considered too broad.--Referos 18:47, 27 November 2009 (EST)
          • Poison emission suggests it can release any type of poison. But it doesn't. The name really does fit.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 18:48, 27 November 2009 (EST)
            • Not really, it says it emits poison, it doesn't specify which, it can be understood as emitting a poison, which it does. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:53, 27 November 2009 (EST)
              • So, the description of Poison absorption can say, to absorb the poison that is emitted by maya, or something like that.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 18:56, 27 November 2009 (EST)
                • "Poison emission" comes from a canon source. Not trying to be a jerk, but, again, according to the naming conventions, it is okay for a name derived from canon sources to imply unseen aspects of the ability, but it is not okay for a descriptive name created by the community to be similarly broad. (edit conflict be damned)--Referos 18:59, 27 November 2009 (EST)
                  • The reason I suggested "Poison Emission Negation and Immunity" was to make clear it only negated the effects of Poison emission, not all poison's.--Ratclaws 20:26, 27 November 2009 (EST)
                    • That just seems a bit too long of a name.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 20:27, 27 November 2009 (EST)
                      • I know, but it's the only thing I can think of that covers all aspects of the ability.--Ratclaws 20:31, 27 November 2009 (EST)
                        • Agreed. Having a long name for this ability is our only other option as long as we're anal about the details. Anal, isn't a bad thing, just the only word I could think of haha --OutbackZack 23:55, 27 November 2009 (EST)
          • I agree with you, Referos. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:39, 28 November 2009 (EST)
            • "Poison Emission Negation" would be fine, the immunity part is not neccesary. If he negates it, wouldn't he negate it in his own body as well? Poison Emission Negation covers all aspects of the ability. I still like "Poison Absorbtion", but whatever, "Poison Emission Negation" is ok by me. --Skullman1392 02:35, 28 November 2009 (EST)
              • I'm not sure. I think that, because Alejandro's power is, by far, the most unique of all powers (in the sense that it's less than an actual ability and more like some sort of connection with his sister), it's probably impossible to properly name this ability. So, unless we hear from a writer or his power is mentioned again (extremely unlikely), I think the only safe choice is "Alejandro's ability".--Referos 18:53, 28 November 2009 (EST)
                • Yeah, I always understood it as being like the cure to Maya's ability. The polar effects. Works well with the twin thing. With that said, I don't see why it would be impossible to name the ability base on what we know. He cures people of it if done within time and he's immune to it. The immune part makes perfect sense when you consider him to be the cure. --OutbackZack 11:08, 2 December 2009 (EST)
                  • Guys, it's honestly even possible that Alejandro has the same power as Maya. Maya was eventually able to undo her poisons, and both she and Alejandro are immune to her poison. It could be that he simply never used his ability. There are a million options. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 13:03, 2 December 2009 (EST)
                    • But that's speculation. What we do KNOW is that he can save people from the poison if acted on quickly. To say that they had the same powers is just going out on a far breakable limb. --OutbackZack 15:11, 2 December 2009 (EST)
                      • No, what we do know is that he is immune to her ability, and when he calms her down, it stops. His eyes turn black the same way hers do. It's altogether inconclusive. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 19:48, 2 December 2009 (EST)
                        • In the article it says he uses his ability to combat hers. That in itself is stating more than what you said, or the article is misleading. --OutbackZack 03:21, 3 December 2009 (EST)
                  • Considering that Maya's power manifested when she discovered that her brother's wife was cheating on him, it would make sense that the rest of Alejandro's ability would have manifested when he was being killed by Sylar.--PJDEP 02:23, 10 December 2009 (EST)

Just change it

Alejandro is dead, and it is extremely unlikely we'll ever see anything like this again. Therefore, the ability name poison emission negation works, based on the fact that's all we've seen him do. In my opinion, the absorption part isn't necessary because when Maya stops using her power, everyone returns to normal, so if her power was blocked it is unlikely that everyone would continue to die, but that's unimportant. Anyway, worst case scenario is that Alejandro comes back from the dead and displays another aspect of the ability. However, we had "memory manipulation" as "memory restoration" when we didn't truly understand it's limits (and we still don't). When it turned out that Damien could do more then restore memories, did the world end? No, we simply changed the name to "memory manipulation" and went on with our lives. The only difference here is that Alejandro hasn't been seen since Season 2, but is that really enough to avoid making such a simple decision?--PJDEP 02:05, 10 December 2009 (EST)

  • There is insufficient evidence that his ability is "poison emission negation". It is so ambiguous, it is theoretically possible that he has no ability at all. Even if his power is to simply stop Maya, "poison emission negation" may not even be the best name for it. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 02:49, 10 December 2009 (EST)
    • If it's possible he has no ability simple having the page is speculative, but seeing as the page does exist I cannot understand why poison emission negation does not work, it's the only thing we've seen him do, and will likely ever see him do (cause he's dead and stuff, y'know?). Also, see in my above comment about memory manipulation, something else that was named before seeing all the effects.--PJDEP 21:21, 10 December 2009 (EST)
      • I agree with you. And not all ability names all expressly clear; that is why we have a sentence or two at the top of the page ("blah and blah is the ability to"). It would simply say "Poison emission negation is the ability to negate the effects of Maya's Poison emission." This sentence would also appear on the Ability page, if I'm not mistaken. If somebody is unsure what the ability truly is when seeing a link to it on another page, logically, they should click the link right? And then they will see right at the top of the page what it does. And to be completely honest, since this is from the second season, anyone who is relatively new to Heroes probably won't come across this ability anyway. --Skullman1392 22:26, 10 December 2009 (EST)

BTE

Memnarch writes to ask, "Alejandro's ability seems to have something to do with absorption, at least as far as his sister's power is concerned. Would this absorption have other potential applications as well?"


You mean, like, he could read TV Guide and know what time everything was on?

Poison absorption, then? Green.gif AltesUTC CH 03:14, 10 December 2009 (EST)

  • I already know someone will use "leading the witness" argument. Before that comes up let's note that the writers never corrected the believed information in the question. --OutbackZack 05:52, 10 December 2009 (EST)
    • I guess then, it'll be like Trevor's ability - one that cannot be named, since they didn't confirm nor disposed of the absorption aspect. Green.gif AltesUTC CH 06:02, 10 December 2009 (EST)
  • In my mind at least, it does seem to confirm that he has some sort of ability, he isn't just calming his sister down.--PJDEP 22:32, 10 December 2009 (EST)
    • It pretty much confirms that Alejandro's power is to absorb whatever stuff Maya created, as they didn't deny it (and in fact, they hinted it's the only thing he could do). And since Maya's stuff is poison... Green.gif AltesUTC CH
      • Not denying is definitely not the same as confirming it. Writers (in general) do that all the time. In this same BTE, someone asks if Nathan was Kaito's killer and the writers did not deny it. But, obviously, we know that Nathan is not Kaito's killer.--Referos 10:11, 12 December 2009 (EST)
        • Well, Kaito's killer's identity was a big spoiler at that moment, but Alejandro's power may be different. Green.gif AltesUTC CH 10:13, 12 December 2009 (EST)

Poison Emission Negation, Dang It!

I still stand by my previous decision. Altes said, and I quote, "I disagree. Yes, Alejandro can counteract Maya's ability, which is to emit poison. However, he doesn't negate the emission of poison itself - instead, he blocks his sister's power, which is somewhat different. Furthermore, he is immune to it. My conclusion is, Alejandro's ability is to counteract his sister's ability, not to negate poison emission. See the difference?" Honestly, no, I do not see the difference. Poison emission is his sister's ability, and he can not only negate the ability itself, but can negate its effects on him. The name covers both bases. It still doesn't cover the "black eyes" bit, but neither does poison emission.--ERROR 23:14, 30 January 2010 (EST)

  • Agreed. I do not see the issue here, it should be changed. --Skullman1392 13:29, 31 January 2010 (EST)
    • I disagree for reasons stated above. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 13:41, 31 January 2010 (EST)
      • We still don't if Alejandro nullifies toxins, if he blocks the specific ability of poison emission or if he simply possess some sort of connection with his sister. We simply don't know enough to name this power.--Referos 16:53, 31 January 2010 (EST)

Poison Emission Manipulation

He subconsciously uses it to protect himself from poison emission, and he can consciously use it to turn it off. Just thought I'd throw that out there.--ERROR 22:09, 27 September 2011 (EDT)

Maya

It is possible that Maya developed this ability, just as Matt did with illusion.--Masterofgravity (talk) 20:46, 16 October 2015 (EDT)