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Shalim interview

  • Skywalkerrbf what did Shalim say?? NiveKJ13 12:35, 8 November 2008 (EST)
    • Shalim called it the "healer," or the "neutralizer." Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 13:34, 8 November 2008 (EST)
      • We also typically don't base ability names on quotes from interviews with actors--they're not the ones who create the ability. It might be a starting point for a discussion (which we've had no problem starting discussions about the name), but it's certainly not a canon name, and I would hesitate to call it even a reliable source, to be honest. (Nothing against Shalim Ortiz or other actors, of course.) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 13:41, 8 November 2008 (EST)

Assignment Tracker Map

Alejandro Assignment tracker info.jpg

  • I found the information in the Assignment Tracker. It written, "Has the ability of 'Poison Emission Neutralization'. He can alter his sister's powers and be immune from it." (The "emission"'s spelled wrong though Witchy2006 17:34, 10 November 2008 (EST)
    • This is over at last. Intuitive Empath 17:41, 10 November 2008 (EST)
      • Yes, its over, but it seems too long, don't you think lolz Witchy2006 17:43, 10 November 2008 (EST)
    • Nice find. I'm okay with fixing the spelling of the name, especially since his sister's ability's name is spelled correctly.--MiamiVolts (talk) 17:44, 10 November 2008 (EST)
    • Er, I had a quick look to verify it, and nothing's there - not even a unverified tip.--BardinessBoy 17:49, 10 November 2008 (EST)
      • I haven't been able to load the assignment tracker map today. I assumed it was a verified tip based on it having a photo of Alejandro. Witchy, is it still on the map?--MiamiVolts (talk) 18:58, 10 November 2008 (EST)
        • This image is of an unverified tip. It's not the right color. It's been removed from the map. Somebody tried really hard to fake a source. Not cool. (Not spelled right, either.) All the changes should be reverted pending an actual source and not a fan-created source. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:15, 10 November 2008 (EST)
          • I don't think that the person who faked this tip necessarily acted maliciously. Remember that Evs asked players to post tips that could be real; maybe Witchy2006 just saw a tip created by a player who followed Evs's order and forgot to check if it was verified or not.--Referos 15:54, 12 November 2008 (EST)
            • I think "nuetralizer" should br good or "antidoe" cause in every poison (maya) that was made ther has to be a coresponding cure (alejandro) with it, they're twins right. 'Poison Emission Neutralization' was long but if that was really on Alejandro's assignment tracker map i have no objection on it. But shouldnt we change the name now?--Darkfiremaster13 22:26, 8 December 2008 (EST)
  • I actually have no idea about what a "verified" or "unverified" tip is. The thingy is gone now, I was just messing around that time in the Assignment Tracker when I saw the tip, so I thought it was real, coz you guys keep talking about the Assignment Tracker when you decide names, and since thats in the AT, then I thought maybe its real. I knew it was fake, the spelling's wrong LOL Witchy2006 18:55, 12 November 2008 (EST)

Rename: Poison Absorption

  • The ability should be renamed Poison Absorption. This site describes it as “Ability to: Counteract his sister’s ability.” After we’ve called Maya’s ability Poison Emission, the perfect antonym is Absorption. Gray Knight
    • The census names do have flaws (in my opinion).- 1:Poison eradication – he does destroy it but it glosses over the fact that his immune system destroys it that implies it’s like a external power. 2:Poison immunity – he’s not just immune to it he takes it into himself. 3:Poison manipulation – he can’t really control it he just takes it into himself. 4: Poison removal – Yes but it goes into him, as seen with the black eyes. 5:Poison Immunity and Reversal – Yes but too long. 6: Poison Negation – to vague in my opinion. 7:Poison Emission Counteraction - too long but will probably end up being canon eventually(or my sugestion)but until then Poison Absorbtion is accurate.- Gray Knight
    • The only other thing that hasn’t been suggested that does have some relevance is Poison Diffusion as the BBC says in passing “Alejandro, her brother, has the ability to diffuse Maya's power.” Tough it does list his power on his page as “SUPERPOWER: His ability is linked with Maya's” so trusting it may not be a good idea.
      • Man, everyone needs to sign their posts. Anyway, I agree that most of the suggested names are inappropriate for the power at hand. Perhaps "antidote emission"? --Ricard Desi (t,c) 17:15, 24 December 2008 (EST)
      • Antidote emission implys he realeases an antidote were i think he abosorbs rather than releases- Gray Knight
      • I don't think poison absorption is that bad. I wouldn't mind a rename to that. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 17:17, 24 December 2008 (EST)
        • Wound up responding to the second bit and forgetting the first; I'd support "poison absorption". --Ricard Desi (t,c) 17:19, 24 December 2008 (EST)
          • I also agree with the renaming to Poison absorption. There is no speculation in this name, because whenever Ando does use his ability his eyes black over showing that he does now have the poison in his system. Also if someone doesn't have the poison in their body for too long he's able to "absorb" it thus allowing for the victim to fully recover. --OutbackZack 18:03, 24 December 2008 (EST)
            • A descriptive name (read: not from a canon or near-canon source) should describe the entire ability. The issue with calling it "poison absorption" is that it doesn't adequately cover all aspects of his ability. He is also immune to her poison. "Absorption" doesn't cover that. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:08, 24 December 2008 (EST)
              • Would that not fall under ability immunity? --Ricard Desi (t,c) 21:50, 24 December 2008 (EST)
                • Yeah, and isn't the sound absorption agent immune to Echo's sound waves? Same case with the teenage patient/Benjamin Franklin and electrical absorption. I think it goes without saying that if your ability it "something absorption," then you have an immunity to that something. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 21:59, 24 December 2008 (EST)
                  • I was just thinking of that and I defiantly agree this is the same case with Alenjandro's ability. It seems to be a rule that whatever you adsorb you're immune to. --OutbackZack 22:06, 24 December 2008 (EST)
                • Ability immunity is being immune to the ill effects of one's own ability, not the ability of others. Maya's black tears do not kill her--that's ability immunity. They also do not affect Alejandro--that's something different. That's part of Alejandro's abilities. We also don't know that he actually absorbs them. He makes them go away, but does the poison go into him? Sure, his eyes turn black, but I'm not sure his body is now full of poison. "Poison absorption" still doesn't describe Alejandro's whole power, in my opinion. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:44, 25 December 2008 (EST)
                  • Then what name would? Just out of curiosity. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 10:50, 25 December 2008 (EST)
    • I don't feel strongly about this one way or the other, but how about Poison nullification? That would cover both aspects of his ability. Granted, we don't know for sure that's exactly what is going on, but we don't know the mechanisms for most of the powers we have listed. Like I said, I don't really mind leaving it as Alejandro's ability, but just thought I'd throw that out there, since it's a more general term that would cover healing people and not beng affected by the poison (since it would be completely nullified). --Stevehim 11:35, 25 December 2008 (EST)
    • nullification has the same problem as neturalisation which i pointed out toward the begining, its to vauge and i think as the posion is seen entering him ( Him having black eyes for a moment) i think we need to state that he is absorbing the poison aswell as curing it ( I Went back and signed my original post, sorry for any Inconvenience)- Gray Knight
      • In general (meaning not regarding 'nullification' specifically), the only way this is going to get changed is with a vague description that encompasses all aspects of the ability, imho, and even then it's unlikely. We're probably never going to see Alejandro again, and the likelihood we even see Maya is fairly low (I don't read spoilers, but without her power or a way to get it back, and with Mohinder apparently embarking upon a new path, I'm guessing she's not going to appear that much more, if at all). Couple that with the fact that we can't change the name unless a consensus is reached, and you have a situation where compromise is needed to elicit change...meaning that most people aren't going to be completely satisfied with the result. I only say this because many people seem to feel rather strongly about doing away with 'so-and-so's ability' names whenever possible, and the only way that can really occur in this case is to find something that everyone can accept, which is most likely going to be something rather vague. --Stevehim 22:04, 25 December 2008 (EST)
  • Poison Absorption I agree doesn’t gloss over he curing aspect but it is quite descriptive of the ability, PLUS its less vague than Alejandro's ability Gray Knight 17:51, 26 December 2008 (EST)
    • Well if he uses his ability to adsorb that would include both his sister and the victims are are still alive (if barely). By adsorbing the poison out of them there is nothing left to kill them. --OutbackZack 18:17, 26 December 2008 (EST)
  • I like Poison Absorption, I think we should have a vote. --laughingdevilboy 18:11, 26 December 2008 (EST)
    • I concur, but we don't get to decide on a vote really...--The Empath 12:05, 27 December 2008 (EST)
  • I can tell you right now that there's virtually no chance of this being renamed at this point. Not because of any one person's influence, but because this is a classic situation that the naming convention was designed to deal with by going with "Soandso's ability." We've not been given a name in a source and the ability is sufficiently ambiguous that there will probably never be consensus based on the current information. That's the reason we have the "Soandso's ability" name to fall back on... because there will always be instances like this. Barring reliable information from the writers there's not much we can do. (Admin 17:33, 29 December 2008 (EST))

Consensus Check #2

Let's try this again.

  • One thing, let's wait 24 hours or more before we move forward with whatever is decided, and be sure that folks have ample opportunity to say something. --SacValleyDweller (talk) 15:11, 27 December 2008 (EST)
    • Agreed, I figured this'd sit a while before anything happens. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 17:08, 27 December 2008 (EST)

Keep as "Alejandro's ability"

  1. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:09, 29 December 2008 (EST)
  2. -- Admin 17:27, 29 December 2008 (EST) I am aware of no new information that warrants renaming this ability now. We need info from the writers. Since we only saw him use his ability on Maya we don't have enough examples to even generalize what it was.
  3. -- --Bob (talk) 20:09, 29 December 2008 (EST)
  4. -- IotV 17.05, 3 January 2009 (GMT)
  5. --Cro Magnon 19:48, 21 February 2009 (EST) I don't know if there's a time limit on this, but I think we should stick with Alejando's ability, just because we don't know how specific it is. As far as we've seen, it only works with Maya's poison emission.
    • There's no real time limit. However, I'm not sure what new information has come out in the past year that would call for a change in name. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:15, 21 February 2009 (EST)
  6. --Steely McBeam - (talk) 10:06, 8 March 2009 (EDT) No real information that we can use.

Rename to "Poison absorption"

  1. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 12:45, 27 December 2008 (EST) It describes what he does, and all absorptions so far (minus power absorption -- ex.: sound, electrical) include an innate immunity to the ability being absorbed.
  2. This is my top choice, but I don't mind any of the other suggestions... as long as it's finally given a name. Would prefer this though. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 23:47, 27 December 2008 (EST)
  3. --SacValleyDweller (talk) 13:31, 27 December 2008 (EST) Emission, absorption. They go together.
  4. --The Empath 13:39, 27 December 2008 (EST)
  5. Since everyone's waiting to see how I vote on this before making their decision. --Crazylicious 13:56, 27 December 2008 (EST)
  6. --laughingdevilboy 15:45, 27 December 2008 (EST)
  7. I already made my case --OutbackZack 15:55, 27 December 2008 (EST)
  8. -- Altough I liked "eradication" better, this fits better with Maya's power. --Piemanmoo 16:37, 27 December 2008 (EST)
  9. -- My Idea to rename it this in the firstplace Gray Knight 17:09, 27 December 2008 (EST)
  10. -- This is the closest thing i see too what i would call this. Truthfully, i dont care, as long as its not Alejandro's ability.EmpathicMimic0
  11. -- This is the best one so far, at this point though, like what EmpathicMimic said, anything is better than Alejandro's ability. Horrorman 7:36, 30 December 2008 (EST)
    • I'm seeing some people expressing their opinions that they like a name for a power so long as it's not "Soandso's ability". I really hope we're not making decisions about ability names based on opinions about completely valid names. In short, "Alejandro's ability" is always valid for this ability. Other names may or may not be valid. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:33, 2 January 2009 (EST)
  12. -- --Irony 16:03, 2 January 2009 (EST)
  13. -- Should be Poison absorption, as that's what he did, take it in him. And it is kind of the opposite of emission. --Powermimic 07:23, 3 January 2009 (EST)
    • But that ignores the fact that as part of his power, he's immune to Maya's poison. I think if we come up with a descriptive name, it should cover all aspects of the power, not just one. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 11:41, 3 January 2009 (EST)
      • That point is counteracted by the fact we have abilities called " Electrical absorption " and " Sound absorption " which are both imply immunity to the thing they are absorbing. This is the same thing, and just because it doesn't cover the whole ability is irrelevant as in my example of "Electrical absorption " it states and i quote "Electrical absorption is the ability to absorb electrical energy and release it in direct electrical arcs." ok not an exact match for this ability but my point is still made, absorption implies immunity..Gray Knight 20:20, 3 January 2009 (EST)
        • Those two names are in a different category. They are names derived from things people have said. Mohinder said that the teenage patient can absorb electrical currents (Blackout, Part 2). The sound absorption agent said, "My special ability. My body absorbs all sound." (Going Postal) They are both considered level two names. I don't know of any such quote regarding Alejandro's ability. Therefore, what we come up with would be a descriptive name--a level five name. A descriptive name should not name only part of the ability, but the entire ability. "Poison absorption" does not describe the entire ability. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:31, 3 January 2009 (EST)
          • I see your point there but we should follow the pattern. We should look upon there is abilities as ying yang, Manipulation and Absorption seam to come in pairs, Granted Mayas power is called Poison Emission, that in it’s self doesn’t describe her power as it only suggest she can excrete it when toward the end of her power’s life she show control over it being able to bring it into her self showing a degree of control and maybe her power should be renamed poison manipulation, but that’s a debate for another time, heroes has set a trend, everything manipulated can be absorbed that granted is only based on 2 sets but it is a pattern we should follow. Gray Knight 20:47, 3 January 2009 (EST)
          • I get what your saying, this name would be a "Descriptions of abilities", as we have no other info. I just think it's the best name well ever have. Alejandro seemed to absorb, as his eyes go black as he takes it out of Maya and the others effected. So the name does describe the ability well. He absorbs the poison effecting others reversing the effect. And as we know in Heroes he is not poisoned because he is immune to his own ability. --Powermimic 22:40, 3 January 2009 (EST)
          • (responding to RGS's post) I agree that we need to have a name that accurately describes what is going on, and from the information provided, we see that his power does the following:
            • 1. Alejandro's eyes go black.
            • 2. Maya calms down, and her eyes return to normal.
            • 3. The eyes of the victims return to normal, and the victims are freed from the poison.
          • Now, this would lead one to believe that (at least in part) he is absorbing the poison (or its effects). The argument of "'n' absorption implies immunity from 'n'" is partly because of a pattern we've found ourselves in, and partly because of an assumption we wind up making: If one's power is to absorb something, could they be negatively affected, directly, by said thing? However, even when Alejandro is in Maya's immediate vicinity, he is unaffected by her poison emission. Which aspect(s) of this power do you feel still need coverage? --Ricard Desi (t,c) 23:29, 3 January 2009 (EST)
            • I don't think "poison absorption" covers the fact that he's immune to Maya's poison. I also didn't feel that way during the first consensus check, and I don't know of any new information that has come to light that would cause us to either override the results of last year's consensus or to force consensus in changing the name this year when we clearly don't have it. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 01:03, 4 January 2009 (EST)
            • IT does imply immunity, what you absorb or release you are generally immune from, Like Maya and how she doesn’t die from the poison, or the often quoted Rule of Ted. So it does cover most of his ability;
            • 1. He absorbs the poison, No cure he doesn’t release anything he just takes the poison out of the host
            • 2. He destroys the virus Inside of him, Absorption implies immunity, Just as Sound Absorption grants the immunity to sound waves. Gray Knight 09:49, 4 January 2009 (EST)
  14. Best name suggestion yet. --Golden Monkey 12:00, 12 January 2009 (EST)
  15. It describes it the best, and sounds okay too. --WeatherWitch 08:53, 24 January 2009 (EST)
    • I agree it's the best description yet, but it doesn't describe the power fully, as a descriptive name should. It's too narrow. Just because it describes it the best doesn't mean it's the right description to use. After all, "Alejandro's ability" also describes it well. :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 09:34, 24 January 2009 (EST)
      • "Alejandro's ability" Dose Not describe anything. You go up to a non heroes fan or somebody who doesn’t watch intently, Alejandro's ability will mean NOTHING to them, Saying Poison Absorption will mean something Ie the ability to absorb poison which is esatialy his ability, Ok it requires the explaning of Maya's power but its better than starting from the begining, there for its more descriptive, And is a valid name, Always has been --Gray Knight 16:01, 29 January 2009 (EST)~
      • I argee with Gray Knight. "Alejandro's ability" is about as descriptive as "Bob's Car". You don't know anything about this Bob's Car about from the fact that it's Bob's, it doesn't define the car itself AT ALL. So can we stop with the horribly unimaginitive names for abilities, or at least for this one, since we have 16 votes for "Poison absorption"? PLEASE?! --Isaac Mendez 15:15, 5 November 2009 (EST)
        • I don't mind this name, but if people fuss up about the neutralization part, name it "Poison absorption and neutralization", a la Matt Jr.'s power and call it a day. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 16:27, 5 November 2009 (EST)
  16. Please End This Madness!!--Isaac Mendez 15:16, 5 November 2009 (EST)

Rename to "Poison immunity"

  1. This is still my preference. I'm not opposed to poison absorption, but in any case, no new information has come to light and at least one person, Ryan, already opposed all the other names besides "Alejandro's ability"...--MiamiVolts (talk) 15:38, 27 December 2008 (EST)
    • ...and has just done so again.--MiamiVolts (talk) 15:41, 29 December 2008 (EST)

Rename to "Poison nullification"

  1. Makes sense to me. He does nullify the effects of her ability. - Tristan0709 talk 23:37, 27 December 2008 (EST)

Other If Maya's power is to generate poison, then his power should be changed to Poison Absorption/Suppression, Viral Absorption/Suppression or Disease Absorption, because by his eyes changing black like those killed by Maya's power, it implies

1. immunity to Maya's power (duh)

2. taking the power onto himself

3. negation of the power's effects (if it keeps people from being killed by Maya's poison/virus/disease, but can't help those already dead)

  • First off, please sign your post. Second, choose ONE thing to vote on, not a pile of things. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 04:41, 29 December 2008 (EST)
    • First off, I'm User:Shadowulf1, second, I just brought up options for viable names (which is why I brought up so many---my personal preference is Poison Absorption/Suppression). No need for the attitude, It's not like I'm spamming, so who cares if I make a mistake and forget to attach my name to it, Mr. Picky?
      • I think the point Ricard Desi was tying to get across was that we are trying to choose one name, so it doesn't help if you are choosing five, and some of your suggestions are available to vote for already anyway. -- Tristan0709 talk 22:17, 2 January 2009 (EST)
        • This is probably a good time to point out that we don't vote at Heroes Wiki. We find consensus. There is nothing that says a consensus check must take the form of a vote. Personally, I much prefer a forum where people can express their thoughts and opinions (and questions) about something like an ability name over the votes that we see here so often. Often, I have an opinion on an ability I like to share, but I don't want to cast a "vote". I don't want to speak for Shadowulf1, but there are also times where I find that several names for an ability would suffice. If multiple names are part of one's opinion of an ability name, there is nothing wrong with expressing that. There is also nothing wrong with not casting a vote, yet still having your voice heard in the check for consensus....I'm not trying to point fingers at anybody or attack anybody here. I'm just saying something that's been on my mind for a while now. :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:40, 2 January 2009 (EST)

merge with maya's ability

Why hasn't this happened already, it obviouse they have the same power, it's just alejandro never found out that he could use the poisen emmision side of the ablity, just how maya didn't think she had the ability to absorb her poisen. Omni314 08:04, 12 January 2009

  • He has never emitted poison, so it's not the same ability until a canon source comes along and says he never developed the ability that way. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 08:18, 12 January 2009 (EST)
    • Very clearly Alejandro's ability is mirroring Maya's as you can read in the fifth chapter of Chandra's book, where he talks about bad cells: But in some cases the very mutation that seems most destructive can be cured, corrected or eradicated. = Maya destructive, Alejandro antidote! --Juba 12:56, 12 January 2009 (EST)
      • Pitch black clear, curing/correcting/eradicating a mutation goes more along the power giving formula and Arthur's ability. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 13:14, 12 January 2009 (EST)
        • I agree it is Posion emisson but we never seen Alejandro in the same state that Maya been in to emit the posion, but we have seen Maya reverse it on her own, and he only 1 who doesn't die from it.--50000JH 10:08, 1 October 2009 (EDT)50000JH

List of Possible Names

I've noticed that in this talk people have just started new threads just to say what name they think and leave it at that. I'll list all the possible names that have been said. Feel free to add your own suggestions and a quick reason why. Alejandro is dead so we probably won't ever get an official name for his ability; it will be whatever fan name sounds best.

  • Poison Suppression
  • Poison Eradication
  • Poison Absorption
  • Poison Immunity
  • Poison Manipulation
  • Poison Removal
  • Poison Immunity and Reversal
  • Poison Negation
  • Poison Emission Counteraction
  • Poison Emission Neutralization
  • Poison Remission (my suggestion)(remission is 'a lessening of symptoms of the disease and a return to good health' and seems to counterbalance 'emission' well)--Elemental Manipulator [ U | T | C ] - When in doubt, ask BTE 03:42, 9 February 2009 (EST)
    • I prefer one you didn't list: "Alejandro's ability". It is not speculative, and it is does not ignore any aspects of his ability. Unless the writers name it differently (has anybody asked the simple question, "What is the name of Alejandro's ability" in a Behind the Eclipse submission?), I'm wary of suddenly using a fan name with no new information released. I know that my opinion is not the popular one (heck, it didn't even make your list of 11 names!), but it's the one I stand by right now. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 08:09, 9 February 2009 (EST)

Didn't anyone understand the meaning of this tread? Don't start a new thread for every name you think of, just add it to this one. Include your reason too.{cough}Zoga78{cough}--Elemental Manipulator [ U | T | C ] - When in doubt, ask BTE 01:48, 19 February 2009 (EST)

poison absoption

this seems a good name for alejandro's ability since he needs to make contact with his sister to achieve this , not to mention the whole eye thing and absorbtion can cause neutrilization Zoga78 21:08, 16 February 2009

Poison Emission Neutralization

The reason I think this will work better than Poison absorption is that this specifically neutralizes the ability "Poison Emission". Poison absorption gives the idea that Alejandro is capable of absorbing other poisons as well. The assignment map tracker states that he has the ability of Poison Emission Neutralization. I say we change it to this ability, it works, it fits, and I don't know about you but I'd much rather have a proper name than "someone's ability".

Reasons:

  1. He neutralizes the effects of "Poison emission"
  2. His eyes take in the poison as he neutralizes it
  3. He is immune to poison emission because he can neutralize her poison
  4. He hasn't demonstrated any neutralizing effects to other poisons other than the ability "Poison emission"

-- - Bender · Talk-

Consensus Check #3

Okay, I think we need to vote on the names. If someone puts Alejandro's ability, then it stays "Alejandro's ability", but please consider the other option before putting down "Alejandro's ability". Please explain your reasoning or else your vote will be ignored. -- - Bender · Talk-

  • Sadly that's not how consensus works mate. Concensus means that everyone agrees. Even if an ability gets a majority ruling, it's might not be a concensus and therefore will not be changed.--Steely McBeam - (talk) 11:24, 8 March 2009 (EDT)
    • You can not ignore a vote just because someone does not have a reason. A vote will still be counted regardless if they have or have not put a reason. --posted by Laughingdevilboy

Talk 15:02, 15 March 2009 (GMT)

      • You make a very good point, LDB. Though adding a reason is highly encouraged, a person can certainly express his opinion for a name without necessarily expressing a reason for it. However, I should also point out that we do not vote on names of articles. We seek consensus. Bentonyang, I'm not sure why you are calling for a vote--or even another consensus check--when it's very clear that there is no consensus and no new information has been revealed in the past year and a half. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:14, 15 March 2009 (EDT)

Rename to "Poison emission neutralization"

  1. --Steely McBeam - (talk) 11:24, 8 March 2009 (EDT) Simply because I feel we need a name that isn't soandso's ability, and this is the best name yet.
  2. ---- - Bender · Talk- 20:13, 8 March 2009 (EDT) Agreed. I'm tired of having all of the personal abilities and if we have enough information to give the ability a proper name, I say we do it.
  3. --IronyUTC CH 17:18, 11 March 2009 (EDT), I'm doing thisin vain as we have had so many before but her I go ...
  4. --posted by Laughingdevilboy

Talk 17:21, 11 March 2009 (EDT)

  1. --NiveKJ13 (talk2me) 09:11, 14 March 2009 (EDT) C'mon guys, its been a year!
  2. --Tsmarg 10:45, july 10th
  3. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 07/10/2009 19:45 (EST)
  4. --Catalyst · Talk · HL 20:21, 10 July 2009 (EDT) Good explanation of what it does.
  5. reading ted rule this could be poison emission another part of his sister power but he hasn't develop power into what his sister could do. We see that she manage to controll it with the help of side. rule of ted said that a person is immuned from the power which he is. Just like Peter and Hiro with space and time manipulation[50000JH]
  6. ----Hiroman 12:46, 27 October 2009 (EDT)
  7. --Jenx222 | U / T / C 16:35, 5 November 2009 (EST), good example of what the ability does

Keep as "Alejandro's ability" 1---Ikkian 00:30, 9 March 2009 (EDT)

  1. --Bob (talk) 14:22, 15 March 2009 (EDT) When you have to have 3 consensus checks, that means nothing new has happened, and it'll stay that way until a writer tells us otherwise. I don't understand why we keep having these when he's been dead for almost 20 episodes.
    • I agree, Bob. I can't even take this third (third!) consensus check seriously. My thoughts are elsewhere on this page, and people shouldn't have to feel like they need to keep up with an ability page that hasn't shown any new examples in a year and a half, and doesn't show any promises of new information being released about it because the character is dead. I think it's quite assumptive and self righteous to emphatically declare that the page will be moved when there is no consensus. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:10, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
      • Totally agreed. I think, simply, we have no reason to believe that is his ability. We have (and will probably never get) no new information on it, thus no right to think that is his ability. There is nothing wrong with keeping the name of the ability as is. --Serphaty

Moving to Poison emission neutralization

When we reach a consensus. -- - Bender · Talk-

  • I see no problem, unless people say something otherwise. --posted by Laughingdevilboy

Talk 14:58, 15 March 2009 (GMT)

    • I see a big problem with this. There is no consensus and there never has been consensus. I would consider it vandalism to move this page without consensus--and now with explicit instructions not to. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:10, 15 March 2009 (EDT)

Why?

  • Why do all of these naming discussions spur such madness? Why can't we harldy ever come to a consensus? All of these "So-and-So's Ability"s are ridiculus. It doesn't need to be so complicated. Alejandro demonstrated time and time again, that he was immune to Maya's ability and absorbed her poison into himself, saving the victims around them. If we're calling her ability Poison Emission, then we can call his ability Poison Absorption. --ElleFanBoy 23:29, 25 May 2009 (EDT)
    • Not sure this will actually do something, but the main issue with this ability is that no name was considered to cover both the absorption and the immunity aspect, in my opinion, absorption would fit, cause in another absorption ability, the holder isn't hurt by what he absorbs. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 15:28, 26 May 2009 (EDT)
      • Exactly. And the Sound Absorption Agent absorbs sound and is therefore immune to sound, as well. --ElleFanBoy 22:09, 26 May 2009 (EDT)
        • Is that enough new material to merit re-consideration and a new and hopefully final consensus check? --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 05/27/2009 10:25 (EST)
          • No, unless a writer from the show or a GN or flashback reveal a name this name will stay. --posted by Laughingdevilboy

Talk 10:39, 27 May 2009 (EDT)

            • Illogical answer. EFB and IE both brought forth new reasons for consideration above, that weren't originally taken into consideration in prior consensus checks, that would allow for this name to be named in a similar manner as two other abilities were named. If we can't be consistent and consider this new information, then we need to at least be consistent and (gasp) rename Electrical absorption to Dying patient's ability and Sound absorption to Sound absorption agent's ability. --hirodynoslayer
              • You know, both of their points had already been brought up before, and both been shot down. EFB's point was shot down by Ryan here and again here, and IE's by Ryan again here after the 13th vote. So, unless more canon material reveals the name, no name change is happening, and therefore no need for a consensus check. --Radicell 11:27, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
                • Couldn't it just be called something like "Poison absorption and immunity" then if the main objections were none of the names covering both aspects? The Shadow 19:58, 28 May 2009 (EDT)

Yes, ElleFanBoy, I agree. This ability should be named.--ERROR 21:59, 5 June 2009 (EDT)

This Discussion Should be Over, and This Ability Should be Named

See title. Our description of the ability is-with some paraphrasing-"the ability to negate his sister's ability.". Her sister's ability is the ability to emit poison. So the perfect name for this ability would be "poison emission negation," as it is the ability to negate poison emission. It covers both aspects, too. He's immune to his sister's ability because his ability is passively negating the ability's effects on him (Also note that our description specifically says, "negate the effects of his sister's ability"), and he can actively extend this suppression to others. The only arguments you could make against my suggestion is the old "It's too speculative!" argument, and the fact that my suggestion doesn't cover the "black eyes" thing.--ERROR 22:11, 5 June 2009 (EDT)

    • Thanks for the new information; maybe it will warrant a new consensus check that can be unanimous. If we can name Maya's ability, we should be able to name Alejandro's just as you suggest. Very clear, concise, unspeculative, and fully balanced to her ability's name. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 07/10/2009 19:44 (EST)
      • I totally agree; from the beginning he was his sister's antidote... --Juba 00:45, 11 July 2009 (EDT)
  • I disagree. Yes, Alejandro can counteract Maya's ability, which is to emit poison. However, he doesn't negate the emission of poison itself - instead, he blocks his sister's power, which is somewhat different. Furthermore, he is immune to it. My conclusion is, Alejandro's ability is to counteract his sister's ability, not to negate poison emission. See the difference? -- Altes 02:06, 11 July 2009 (EDT)
          • I think that the first name is fine. --tsmarg