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Is his ability space-time manipulation or just time travel? Green.gif AltesUTC CH

  • Probably just space-time manipulation - Vampirate68 | Talk | Contribs | Vampirate68 12:09, 22 September 2009 (EDT)
    • Did he teleport, stop time? Or was it said his ability is the same as Hiro's? I haven't watched the premiere, that's why I'm asking =( Green.gif AltesUTC CH
      • This isn't word for word, but I think he said something along the lines of: {"I know you're sick and dying, but could you use your trick one last time?" "How long ago?" "14 Years *smiles*"} From that I would say that he just has space-time manipulation. - Vampirate68 | Talk | Contribs | 12:15, 22 September 2009 (EDT)
  • I actually thought that it was one of the "Object Displacement" issue, like when Future Peter sent Matt Parkman to Africa or when Arthur sent Hiro back in time. But if its Object Displacement, then Samuel wouldn't manage to go back in time (when he was Fourteen years ago) without the help of somebody who is a "time traveler". So to conclude, Ronald didn't just send him there, he teleported him back in past time, and back in present; Which means he obviously has Space-Time Manipulation. .--NiveKJ13 (talk2me) 14:53, 22 September 2009 (EDT)
    • And he probably can move them just is space as well, we don't know where the carnival is, so unless they're in Japan, he sent them 14 years back and to Japan. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:59, 22 September 2009 (EDT)
      • Maybe he has the ability to send someone's mind back in time, like the temporal displacement from Lost--Gibbeynator 17:33, 25 September 2009 (EDT)

His name

Im sure towards the end of the episode Edgar called him Arnold, not Ronald :S TracyStraussFan 15:52, 22 September 2009 (EDT)

maybe hiro and arnold...

...have the same disease/problem. Arnold has that thing to help him live longer but now he is just old and dying, so hiro can just use that thing to help him and then can use his ability. Maybe all time travellers end up with this disease. --mc_hammark 14:45, 27 September 2009 (EDT)

  • I don't think so. Hiro is sick because of Matt Jr. Arnold is just old.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 14:47, 27 September 2009 (EDT)

Preventing Joesph's Death

Has anyone else wondered why Samuel was willing to both use Arnold to time travel and use time travel to fix problems in the past, yet doesn't seem to connect the dots and just have Lydia identify Danko, then use Arnold to send him and Edgar back in time before Joseph was murdered? Is this just a huge plot-hole or could there be other reasons for why Samuel didn't just use Arnold's ability to save his brother? Your thoughts? -Barbedknives (talk)18:50, 3 October 2009 (EDT)

  • Who says Joseph was murdered? -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:24, 3 October 2009 (EDT)
    • ..or maybe he knows that time travel may have certain rules, like in the movie The Time Machine. The main character and his fiance are out on the town but, when walking through the woods they are mugged. The mugger kills the main character's soon-to-be wife and gets away. The main character builds a time machine and goes back to save her, he prevails by avoiding the woods that night and to celebrate his unrecognized victory, he takes her to the jeweler to by her a necklace. When they make it there, she gets run over by a car and dies anyway. I now realize that I've not only drawn out my comment but also, semi-ruined the movie...sorry, that's my bad. All I'm saying is, we can assume we know everything about Samuel, his motives, or his logic. Maybe he had some sibling rivalry and took his brother out the be head-honcho ring leader...hmmm...I think I just found myself a new theory.--Anthony Gooch 22:42, 20 October 2009 (EDT)

Hysterical Blindness

Jugding from the fact that we hear Hiro's Teleportaion sound effect before the carnival appears. I think it is safe to say that Arnold teleported the enitre carnival to that location. --D Toccs 04:27, 13 October 2009 (EDT)

  • We don't know what the limits are from the ability, so we can't say he teleported the carnival. People with this ability can only take things they fysical touch, So it's not safe to say it, cause teleporting a whole carnival seems impossible at this point.Also that wasn't the exact sound as hiro's ability -- (WaterRatj) 08:00, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
    • Are we really calling something impossible...who knows, Arnold looks like he's been around for a while, he may have a few tricks up his sleeve, and who knows, with all the other carnies around who's to say they don't have a supercharger in their midst. But on the opposing side, time-space manipulation isn't the only way to get a carnival from place to place...cough,cough,terrakinesis and/or object displacement cough,cough. But D Toccs, if you have a theory feel free to post it here--Anthony Gooch 23:01, 20 October 2009 (EDT)

Space-time manipulation

We don't know this for sure. He could have a aspect of the power, but not quite exactly as Hiro -- (WaterRatj) 08:01, 20 October 2009 (EDT)

  • I don't know if the wiki's big-wigs consider it a canon source, but I just watched the G4 edition of Heroes and their insider said Samuel considers Hiro as Arnold's replacement because they have the same ability yet, Arnold is on his last leg.--Anthony Gooch 23:03, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
    • He wanted peter as a replacement for his brother, so as sylar, both don't have the same ablity as joseph, well we don't know but he can't have both -- (WaterRatj) 00:42, 21 October 2009 (EDT)


Arnold's fate

As we saw in Bloodlines, almost a year ago from present time (before Joseph's death) Arnold was a young man, between his 20's and 30's. Lydia later tells that Arnold is in the present, and an image on an old arnold appears on her back. Does this means that Arnold was somehow unable to return to the present and had to wait and became old before he coudl be back on teh present?--Ritamiller 16:42, 16 December 2009 (EST)

  • Looks like it. But it makes sense, they said in the past that if Hiro went back one year to the past and lived his life regularly, he'd be a year older when the date of his travel to the past came. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 16:44, 16 December 2009 (EST)

I really like how...

...they are giving Arthur Arnold a back story. I really liked his character and so far he's had a really interesting story arc. They could definitely use him to "resurrect" some dead characters, seeing as he's lived two lives and had plenty of time to meet some other, long dead characters. Vampirate68 | Talk | Contribs | 17:10, 22 December 2009 (EST)

His Death

So, I was just re-watching OUaTiT with my little brother (he's so behind lol) and I realized something. When would Samuel have had time to kill Arnold, like we saw in Bloodlines? Here's how it happened in the episode: Charlie walks out of the Burnt Toast Diner and is taken by Arnold. Hiro comes outside and encounters Samuel, then teleports the both of them back to the present-day carnival. Hiro stumbles around all the carnies, coming to the trailer with Arnold's dead body inside it, and Samuel follows him. So when could Samuel have killed Arnold? I could see maybe they both took Charlie to wherever and then came back to the Carnival where Samuel killed him, but that doesn't account for how Samuel got back to the Burnt Toast Diner three years ago. Anybody have any ideas? --Skullman1392 23:43, 27 January 2010 (EST)

  • Well, I always have to assume that we're not seeing every minute of what happened. In other words, Hiro could have stumbled around the carnies...and then gone somewhere else in the carnival before coming to Arnold's trailer. In that time, Samuel could have gone to talk to Arnold to make sure Charlie was where they discussed, and then killed him. I'm sure that what we see on screen does not depict all the "in between" stuff. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:20, 28 January 2010 (EST)
    • I guess that makes sense, thanks. I was just really really confused seeing that. --Skullman1392 00:24, 28 January 2010 (EST)
      • In all honesty, it could be something that the writers overlooked. However, having seen just a tiny sliver of what it takes to get a piece of writing approved (and that's from a "lesser" medium like the iStory), I'm sure there was somebody along the way who thought the same thing as you, and probably came up with a similar explanation to justify the continuity. Just my guess... :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:44, 28 January 2010 (EST)

Why was he killed? Was it revenge for trying to kill baby Samuel, or just so that he wouldn't spill the beans about Charlie? Or both?--Boycool42 17:45, 23 March 2010 (EDT)

Arnold Crum?

I'm wondering if "Ernie" was simply a nickname for "Arnold", and his real name is just Arnold Crum. Thoughts? --Ricard Desi 23:28, 21 February 2010 (EST)

  • Don't know. Don't even know if it matters, really. Arnold pretty much forgot his entire life, and perhaps even forgot his own name. (Odd that he would do the same thing to Charlie, with the exception of making her forget everything.) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:38, 22 February 2010 (EST)
    • Maybe that was his attempt at penance for taking away her old life, since he lost so many years of his own. --Ricard Desi 00:43, 22 February 2010 (EST)