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Finally... a hint on his power

  • Bob says "With Claire's blood, Claire might become a major player. The next Linderman. The next Arthur Petrelli." Chrisyudbsname.JPGChrisyudbstalk.JPG 03:41, 11 December 2007 (EST)
    • His power yes, as in power over the Company, not his special ability.--MiamiVolts (talk) 03:56, 11 December 2007 (EST)
      • That's what I was thinking, too.--Ice Vision 13:56, 11 December 2007 (EST)
        • Me too. Bob says: "...you could be taking orders from her in a few years".--Hgjgkjgk 16:15, 11 December 2007 (EST)
    • It's a little weird that the Company is so obsessed with Claire's blood. I mean, until the end of Season One, they had Adam in custody. You'd think they'd have all magic blood they wanted.--14:00, 11 December 2007 (EST)
      • I'm pretty sure that's why they kept him alive (even though there's no evidence of them using his blood). "With Claire's blood" could be taken both figuratively (evolved granddaughter of the last Arthur Petrelli, the 2 evolved parent thing) and literally (an untainted, non-maniacal evil person with healing blood, unlike the locked-up Adam). Bob expected that they would one day take in Claire for tests (as Thompson stated), eventually promote her to Agent status (like Elle was), and eventually make her way up past Claude and Haitian status to be a senior agent/leader (presumably replacing some of the old Company leaders).--Tim Thomason 18:30, 11 December 2007 (EST)
        • Who needs Adam's blood when Linderman can heal anyone he wants? No extraction needed. --Aldrius 21:39, 4 January 2008 (EST)
          • Linderman can't heal the dead. If Adam's blood has limitations, they would need Claire. Also, its always good to have a spare. And, experiments are nothing with out a few test subjects. Nonredhead 5 June 2008 (EST)

NBC Promo

A promo that aired during Life this past Friday: One man has pulled all the strings. He is the father of 3 heroes (showed pictures of Nathan, Sylar, & Peter in that order). The leader of the villians and Monday we finally meet him. That either conculusively proves Arthur is the father of all 3 or Angela had an affair or more than one affair. --Snow Leapord 11:26, 11 October 2008 (EDT)

  • Yep, that'll be enough to say that all 3 boys are Arthur's...once the episode airs. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:06, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
    • This promo bothered me alot. They don't usually make promo's so spoilery.--Riddler 18:35, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
      • Seriously... really didn't leave much to the imagination... Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 21:43, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
        • Also, I like how they listed Sylar as a hero. :O Foreshadowing? Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 16:51, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
          • I forgot about this promo. Technically, it's still a spoiler, and technically the world of Heroes has not yet revealed who Sylar's biological dad is...but I'm not going to argue this or make any changes one way or another. :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:17, 14 October 2008 (EDT)

Occupation

As far as we know, he's not the head of Pinehearst, is he? --Aburu 21:25, 14 October 2008 (EDT)

  • He seems to be the highest shown so far, as Maury kisses his ass to no end.--Riddler 21:46, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
    • True, though that could just be his fear of someone so powerful. I was just trying to figure out if there's enough evidence to label him as the leader on the Pinehearst page --Aburu 21:47, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
      • It didn't look like Arthur had any power at all just lying on the bed though --Rayhond 22:17, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
        • Ah yes, but power isn't always limited to abilities. --Aburu 22:21, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
          • The only affiliation that we know Arthur has with Pinehearst is that he is using their machines to stay alive. We don't know anything of his leadership or even membership in the organization. Maury could just have respect for the guy (which why wouldn't he, they helped form the Company together 30 years ago) and it may have nothing at all to do with Pinehearst. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:27, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
        • I'm inclined to believe that Arthur, even in his current state, can mess Maury up real good and is a force to be reckoned with. I mean, that "you wont be able to move" thing to Angela in her dream...something about that says Watch Out! --SacValleyDweller (talk) 01:53, 15 October 2008 (EDT)
          • We still don't know if that was Arthur's power and not Maury's. I'm inclined to believe Maury put her in that state.--Nonredhead 11:59, 17 October 2008 (EDT)

Redirect "Arthur" here?

I think maybe we should redirect "Arthur" to this page, since now that Arthur Petrelli is a major player, people will probably be looking for him most of the time.--Aburu 14:56, 15 October 2008 (EDT)

Power: Ability Theft

I motion that Arthur's ability is actually the power to steal others' abilities. He stole Adam's regeneration, leading to him aging 400 years in seconds since he could no longer stay immortal.

This would also make Arthur the empath Claude knew before Peter.

Which episode did Claude say that in? Also if was an Empath Mimicker like Peter Petrelli why would he need to touch Adam Monroe's hand? If he was an Empath Mimicker he wouldn't have needed Adam to be there since Empath Mimickers absorb it the first time they are around the power and he would have been around Adam several times when The Company was first founded and for a time after it's founding. Another if he was an Empath Mimicker it wouldn't have killed Adam in the fashion of making him age 400 or so years in seconds. This episode also seems to imply that he has Telepathy like Matt and Maury, that or Adam just knew based on his past experience with Arthur and what he would do to others and how. Plus you need to sign your comments here. --Snow Leapord 21:27, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

He needs to touch someone to steal their powers. It's like a more violent mix of Sylar and Peter. --Plot_Device 21:45, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

Okay, now I think it's even more clear: I called it above in the unsigned post. --Plot_Device 22:00, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

Could this be an advanced form of Aura absorption? --Xepeyon 22:11, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

  • Maybe, but doesn't Aura absorption also mean that you take the life energy of the person you are using the power on? Peter didn't die when his power was taken, and it can be argued that Adam died because he couldn't regenerate any more. --OprahDust 22:13, 20 October 2008 (EDT)
    • For now, shouldn't it just be "Arthur's ability"?--Aburu 22:14, 20 October 2008 (EDT)
      • Correct, for now it has to be Arthur's ability until we either are given a name or there's consensus on what it is. (Admin 22:22, 20 October 2008 (EDT))
    • I'd say it's closer to Aura Absorption than Empathic Mimicry, since Arthur STEALS the abilities instead of copies them... JackOfBloodyHearts 22:20, 20 October 2008 (EDT)
      • I would say Ability Theft is the best term for the power since it doesn't limit the power to just empathy or auras.--Plot Device 22:57, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

Shouldn't it be added that he took Empathic mimicry? Peter couldn't copy powers his future self had, the only ability he was exposed to was his own, so to use lightning, wouldn't Arthur have absorbed empathic mimicry, with the abilities Peter had as a bonus? Intuitive Empath 12:12, 21 October 2008 (EDT)

Peter's attempt to defend himself

I just changed the power that Peter was intending to use from Telekinesis to Lightning. Since that was the only power either of the Petrellis used actively in that scene (excepting, of course, Arthur's ability), it would seem the logical choice. Ricard Desi 22:30, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

Didn't Peter technically use Telekinesis to open the door while invisible?

--Plot Device 22:56, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

While invisible why would Peter need to use telekinesis to open the door? It's not like he is intangible, he could just open it with his hand like everyone else. --Snow Leapord 23:23, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

  • I don't think it matters honestly what power Peter attempted to use on Arthur. We can't be certain. All we know is Peter tried to use an ability against Arthur, and it failed, thus implying that Peter had lost his abilities.--IDannPK 11:54, 21 October 2008 (EDT)

Telepathy?

I don't think we can necessarily say that Arthur demonstrated telepathy (which is currently only listed in the right hand sidebar thing for "Known abilities"). All we saw was him and Maury mentally "talking" to each other. As we saw with Angela when she mentally "talked" to Matt, it minimally only takes one telepath for "communication". -- prander 00:32, 21 October 2008 (EDT)

  • I was confused at first, too. The telepathy is referring to when he used it on Adam Monroe. If you check the scene again you can see/hear it. (Admin 00:35, 21 October 2008 (EDT))
    • Really? I must've missed that, and I didn't record it or anything... -- prander 01:52, 21 October 2008 (EDT)
      • I was about to say the same thing about Telepathy. I had thought that Adam Monroe simply knew of Arthur, and knew what he planned by bringing Adam there. Adam didn't near to hear Arthur's thoughts to know that Arthur wanted to take his power. Besides. Arthur's really going to say "Hello Adam. I have brought you here to take your power. Sorry."? What a strange thing to say. I think Adam probably knew what Arthur was capable of, and what it meant for him, and was thus terrified. Although, technically now it seems Arthur "has all of Peter's abilities", so technically he should probably have telepathy. But I don't think it's "confirmed yet". "Speculative", if anything.--IDannPK 11:53, 21 October 2008 (EDT)
        • Did you replay the scene? Check out the audio and camera shots they used. (Admin 11:54, 21 October 2008 (EDT))
        • In the commentary for Dying of the Light, Chuck Kim spoke of the event as a "telepathic conversation"--Aburu 19:35, 21 October 2008 (EDT)
  • Also of interest, looks like for dramatic reasons and ease of storytelling, Maury answered Arthur's initial questions out loud while looking kind of nervous. --Torley 08:42, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
        • It's been confirmed by the commentary the mind reading lens was used in the Arthur Adam scene in 3.6, and he was talking to Adam in his head. So, I think it's save to assume he put Angela in her coma.
  • In the new episode (Eris Quod Sum) Arthur said that Maury helped him a lot. For me this is proof, that he got Telepathy from Maury Parkman. -- Futurepeter ( U - T - C ) 05:55, 28 October 2008 (EDT)
    • By help he could mean Daphne and the recruiting of other evolved humans, Maury he wouldn't let him hurt Matt, he wouldn't say that if he had no means to pose a threat to Arthur. Intuitive Empath 11:10, 28 October 2008 (EDT)
    • if Arthur had gotten Telepathy from Maury, Maury wouldn't have it no more.--Elchafa 17:15, 29 October 2008 (EDT)
      • I believe the assumption is that Arthur got telepathy from someone other than Maury. --Ted C 17:19, 29 October 2008 (EDT)
    • You seem to ignore the fact that Maury created the Linderman illusion for Daphne after we see Arthur use telepathy on Adam. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 17:17, 29 October 2008 (EDT)
    • And Maury had been using it with Nathan for some time. (I think it's correct to suppose Maury was using the Linderman trick on Nathan as well, right?)--Elchafa 17:30, 29 October 2008 (EDT)
    • So then that means Arthur would have to get the ability from someone else. Also i dont think Arthur as the ability to send illusions to people that far away from him i.e. Daphne in the airport. --Sylarversion2 17:42, 29 October 2008 (EDT)
    • Couldn't the conversation between Arthur and Adam have been facilitated through Maury? I'm not sure we can say for sure that it was Arthur alone using the ability, which is why I had removed it from the list. Was it conclusive that Maury wasn't there?--MiamiVolts (talk) 23:57, 30 October 2008 (EDT)
      • I'm pretty sure Maury was at JFK during that time. Plus, there wouldn't really be any reason for Maury to not be shown if he was the one facilitating the telepathy. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 23:58, 30 October 2008 (EDT)
        • I'm not sure if he was or wasn't in the room at the time. Can someone check the video?--MiamiVolts (talk) 00:26, 31 October 2008 (EDT)
          • I just watched the scene where Adam is killed, and Maury is not visible in the room (only Knox and Arthur's doctor are). Maury's physical location is, imo, immaterial one way or the other, as not being in the room doesn't preclude him from being nearby and using his power (since he doesn't have to be in the room to use it). Conversely, Maury being in the room deosn't mean he was the one facilitating the conversation (as just being there doesn't mean he's using his power). Since they didn't specifically show Maury facilitating the conversation, it's speculation to say he did so, regardless of his location at the time. As to whether the scene indicates Arthur had telepathy on his own or not, while I agree with MaimiVolts that other possibiities exist, I think it is enough evidence to say he demonstrated the power. --Stevehim 00:47, 31 October 2008 (EDT)
            • His not being in the room at the time leads me to believe the writers intended for Arthur to have gotten the power himself from someone other than Maury, so I'm fine now with telepathy remaining on Arthur's demonstrated abilities list. Thanks for checking, Stevehim.--MiamiVolts (talk) 01:32, 31 October 2008 (EDT)
              • No problem. My leg is already predisposed toward being pulled to watch and rewatch Heroes.  ;) --Stevehim 12:46, 1 November 2008 (EDT)

How ironic..

...That Arthur's ability involves stealing the powers of others, and his two sons, who where born with abilities naturally, both have powers that involve absorbing the powers of others. Where as Nathan who had his powers artiffically induced, does not. :S --(. .') 12:11, 21 October 2008 (EDT)

  • Deliciously ironic! I also wonder if Arthur deliberately chose to give Nathan flight, or if it was a random power they didn't have much control over. As in, "We can artificially give a human powers, but we don't know what it's going to be." (And if undesired, what's the means for trying again? To be revealed, I hope.) --Torley 08:48, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

Could Peter mimic Arthur? Hierarchy of powers?

Things sure are getting interesting! In the earliest episodes of Heroes, every hero had a unique power, but with more of the comic books and continued development, we've seen that develop into several characters who can copy/absorb powers, as well as the whole scientific take of artificially adding powers to a human. We've also observed characters that have the same basic power but express it in different ways (Isaac's vs. Usutu's aesthetic style) or have different levels of adeptness (Matt vs. Maury Parkman).

So that leaves me wondering: since Peter has empathic mimicry, wouldn't standing near his Dad enable him get all his powers back? Of course, his Dad — with this meta-power — may have a way of blocking others from copying/taking his absorbed powers, not unlike how the Haitian negates powers, or how Maury can block lesser telepaths from getting into his mind.

I suspect things aren't going to get so complicated as to involve complex polygonal dice rolls, but the power structure is interesting to muse about nonetheless. Let me know your thoughts! --Torley 08:47, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

  • Standing near Arthur would presumably allow Peter to mimic Arthur's ability, except that Empathic mimicry is almost certainly one of the abilities that Arthur took away from Peter (otherwise Peter would have immediately "re-mimicked" all of his other abilities from Arther, and his counter-attack would have worked). --Ted C 11:11, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
    • Good thinking. Some of these arrangements really call for logic. I'm not calling for Heroes to turn into a Street Fighter-like game, but it'd be pretty cool to see more intense fights with rapid "blocks", "parries", and "counter-attacks". But hm, if Arthur has empathic mimicry now, then he's likely got Knox's, Flint's, Daphne's, etc. (unless he hugged them earlier, too ;) ) --Torley 12:22, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
      • Some interesting thoughts here, what about this, could Arthur actually absorb powers that Peter never used before like Peter absorbed his father's ability and he also aborbed Mental Manipulation from The Haitian, Alchmeny from Bob and so on... maybe he still has those powers. -- Futurepeter ( U - T - C ) 11:02, 24 October 2008 (EDT)

Since sylars power took more than genes to unlock (some logic insight), could it be that Peter subconsciently "unlocked" other peoples powers through empathy. In that case Arthur might simply lack the mental part of unlocking Peters power, although he would have it "on the paper". This theory is entirely based on the fact that arthur + empathic mimicry (or whatever you guys call it) would be too much to swallow. His power is mean as it is. Apart from that, the scene where Peter gains Sylars power supports my thoughts.--Lokomono (talk) 10:21, 28 October 2008 (EDT)

  • Guess he couldn't do it after all...--Futurepeter (talk) 05:56, 28 October 2008 (EDT)

It doesnt make sense that peter should have lost all his abilities. Surely with his empathic mimicry seeing his dad and thinking about him should have triggered an immediate use of his dad's ability so when arthur touched peter there should have been some sort of counter movement-arthur takes peter's ability and peter takes all. But perhaps more than a touch is needed maybe you need to concentrate. Its quite confusing. --Legendeer 8:40, 14 November 2008 (EDT)

  • That's not always the case, Peter's mimicking power doesn't always trigger instantaneously. I think it makes sense the Arthur took his power. -Rainman 12:53, 19 November 2008 (EST)

Telekinesis

How do we know he got telekinesis from Peter? He might have it before stealing powers from Peter. --Hellknight

First, SIGN your comments. Second, we know Peter had the ability, we know Arthur stole the ability from Peter, until proven otherwise to say Arthur got it from anyone but Peter would be speculation and speculation isn't allowed. --Snow Leapord 12:45, 28 October 2008 (EDT)

  • We don't have any clue about how he got that ability, if it is before or after stealing Peter's abilities. So i think it is more appropriate to say "Telekinesis from an unknown source". --Hellknight 12:54, 28 October 2008 (EDT)
    • The first time Arthur demonstrated the use of Telekinesis was after stealing all of Peter's abilities. To say it is from an unknown source would be speculation when the evidence as it is now says he got it from Peter first, later if they prove it was from some other Evolved Human then we can change it. --Snow Leapord 09:41, 29 October 2008 (EDT)
    • So by your logic, we can't say Arthur stole lightning from Peter. It's irrational to be completely objective about circumstances like this. It's perfectly safe to assume that Arthur got telekinesis from Peter. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 17:45, 29 October 2008 (EDT)
      • Yes, it is only logical to assume that every power that Arthur uses now which Peter once had (and wasn't previously demonstrated by Arthur before stealing Peter's powers) was stolen from Peter. Yes, it is an assumption like all other assumptions we make when we INFER understanding from the show, because there is a chance that he may have had some of the powers before. However, to presume otherwise (that he had some of Peter's powers [before he demonstrated that he could use them] before he took them from Peter) would be less logical than to assume he got them from Peter, because we at least have some evidence that he got them from Peter whereas we have zero evidence that he got them from anywhere else. --Logic[] 12:43, 1 November 2008 (EDT)

The Hunger

  • I don't really agree with the decision they made on Arthur stealing Peter's ability. Think of this: Peter's ability is Empathic Mimicry, and ONLY that. the other powers (Sylar's power, invisibility, flight, etc.) he doesn't TECHNICALLY have them, so I think Arthur should not have been able to steal them. Now, since he actually CAN and DID steal those powers, why isn't Sylar's HUNGER manifesting on Arthur...?--Elchafa 17:28, 29 October 2008 (EDT)
    • Every power has a physical component in the blood's chemistry. Peter's power is that his DNA is able to mimic the DNA of other evolved humans thus generating the same chemical component. His blood remembers how just like white blood cells remember viruses they encountered. This chemical component is what Arthur can remove. Therefore he can steal all mimiced powers as well. --Tordmor 17:36, 29 October 2008 (EDT)
    • I guess for the same reason he was immediately able to control Maya's power after he took it. By pure force of will or because of his advanced age and experience with other people's powers. --Tordmor 17:36, 29 October 2008 (EDT)
      • that just doesn't seem right for me. i don't know...--Elchafa 17:42, 29 October 2008 (EDT)
      • I agree as well. Arthur seems to be more adept at using abilities in general than even those who naturally possess them. Perhaps he's absorbed an ability that allows him to do this... perhaps he's just smart. But whatever the case may be, there's no arguing that he has control over things. And stuff. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 20:21, 29 October 2008 (EDT)

Behind The Eclipse 5 states without a shadow of doubt that Arthur does not have the hunger, which either means the hunger is not jointed at the metaphorical hip with IA or Arthur doesn't have IA. If Arthur doesn't have IA that would mean Peter still does. --Snow Leapord 13:55, 30 October 2008 (EDT)

  • I'm not sure how much I trust their answer due to it's brevity, the fact that BTE is not canon, and since it is, technically, contradicted by canon (thus far). He absorbed all of Peter's abilities, Peter had IA, IA comes with the Hunger...thus Arthur should have the Hunger. IA would also account for Arthur's high level of control over his newly absorbed powers (especially since he got a whole boatload at once). --Stevehim 14:39, 30 October 2008 (EDT)
    • But IA/the hunger has to be activated. - Josh (talk/contribs) 15:28, 30 October 2008 (EDT)
      • True. They could've meant he doesn't have it yet, and won't have it as long as he doesn't use IA. That still leaves the question of how he is able to control these abilities so well, though. --Stevehim 15:50, 30 October 2008 (EDT)
        • Yeah, I agree with Josh. I've kind of always seen "the hunger" as an aspect of Sylar's ability (and Peter's absorbed ability) that has to be activated. In my view (which, don't get me wrong, is supported by evidence, but is still theoretical), Peter had already absorbed the ability in Homecoming, but he didn't activate it until I Am Become Death. Likewise, Sylar always had the ability (that's what made him such a great watch repairman), but it wasn't until somewhere around the time he met another evolved human that the hunger aspect was somehow activated. I also believe (again, supported by evidence and statements from writers, but still theoretical) that Arthur has the ability, but "the hunger" part of the ability has not been activated. Hopefully it won't be activated--that would be really dangerous. Lots of blood, lots of gore, lots of raw chaos....On second thought, hopefully it will be activated soon! :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:08, 30 October 2008 (EDT)
      • I had thought the hunger was simply part of Sylars personality, which peter was empathising when he took IA from Gabriel. --UrNoob 17:05, 10 December 2008 (EST)
        • Agreed. Sylar's the only one with a drive to rip open people's heads like Christmas presents. Because he's Sylar. I don't consider what Peter did to future!Nathan and Angela to really be down to the Hunger itself (he was after information, not abilities, and everyone knows information isn't stored like that in the head). More than likely it was Peter being unable to control another ability properly (wouldn't be the first time!!), or the writers just feeling a need to make Peter the bad guy for all of two scenes. But of course, Arthur's possession of the Hunger is second-hand from Peter, so that's where the question lies... and to be honest, I think Hunger is just something inherent to who Sylar is: greedy, voracious, but never satisfied. It's the sort of name he'd come up with, after all... --AmbroBaby 17:16, 4 February 2009 (EST)

Absorbed power that's not listed

  • I believe Arthur has some sort of psychic strength, or does he break Maury's neck with maybe, Telekinesis?--Elchafa 17:36, 29 October 2008 (EDT)
    • I thought it was obvious that was telekinesis. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 17:37, 29 October 2008 (EDT)
      • it wasn't for me. sorry if this was a stupid question to ask jaja--Elchafa 17:43, 29 October 2008 (EDT)
        • That's alright. :) Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 17:46, 29 October 2008 (EDT)

At first I thought is was the manifestation of Niki's power that he got from Peter, but upon rewatching several times it is definately TK. --Snow Leapord 13:56, 30 October 2008 (EDT)

Possible template

Since Arthur stole Peter's ability, that would include his main power, emphatic mimicry. While he was shown to absorb, or at least give preference to his own ability when it comes to getting a new one, if he does have Peter's core ability, we might need arthurmimicked and arthurexposed templates, in case he does end up using that ability, consciously or not. Does this make any sense? Intuitive Empath 17:56, 28 October 2008 (EDT)

  • Instead of having an ArthurMimicked & ArthurStolen templates why not rework the ArthurStolen template to be one template for all powers Arthur has demonstrated the use of, what that would be called I don't know. A template for him being exposed to is not a bad idea. --Snow Leapord 09:39, 29 October 2008 (EDT)
    • While I agree a template for ArthurExposed is a good idea, at the moment there is nothing to add to it since gaining the ability of Empathic Mimicry every person Arthur has been near so far so has Peter, thus all their powers Peter would have had when he had all his stolen. Until he is near someone that Peter has never been near before or Sylar takes on a new ability that Peter hasn't mimicked or been exposed to there is nothing we could add that Arthur himself hasn't been exposed to, unless you want to add the powers that Peter were exposed to to that list. I hope that made sense. --Snow Leapord 12:39, 29 October 2008 (EDT)
      • Related to this, the most recent Behind the Eclipse interview pretty much confirmed Arthur has empathic mimicry, they said he can choose with which power he can take on a new ability. I think that should be added. Intuitive Empath 19:22, 29 October 2008 (EDT)
        • That I agree with to a degree, but I think we should leave any powers that Arthur has stolen but not demonstrated off the list until he does so, because as it is on the show by two characters they have stated explicitly that Peter has absolutely no powers at all and Arthur has all the powers Peter used to have, which would mean every power Peter ever demonstrated could be added. --Snow Leapord 13:59, 30 October 2008 (EDT)

Arthurs ability is related to Sylars and Peters

Sylar understands things through logic allowing him to take abilities. Peter understands through Emotion allowing him to copy abilities and Arthur is able to take abilities probably through observation i.e he said he takes everything which probs means he enters a state where he can observe a persons abilities and make an empathic link which allows him to take them. so he basicly takes powers through both logic and empathy.--Jacobm7 (talk) 21:28, 29 October 2008 (EDT)

I don't think Arthur's ability has anything to do with logic or empathy. He just touches the person and poof - their abilities are gone. Also, please sign your posts from now on by typing "~~~~" Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 21:32, 29 October 2008 (EDT)

Power Control.

Arthur seems to have perfect control of any ability he absorbs instantly. I wonder if this is another aspect of his own power or just due to experience over his life? --  Seclusion  talk / contribs 01:56, 30 October 2008 (EDT)

Infobox

I changed the heading of the abilites we're listing to be more accurate. It's not speculation to say he has all of Peter's powers (it's been confirmed by canon several times by at least two different characters), so that list is actually what he's demonstrated. I also disagree with Poison Emission being listed, as he hasn't demonstrated the ability itself; his eyes turning black isn't actually the ability (eg - we don't assume that Hiro and Matt's eyes turning white means they have Precognition, though I admit there is a difference since it was induced by the dung/root paste). It could simply be a sign that Arthur has absorbed the power...the actual power is to emit poison, which he has yet to demonstrate. --Stevehim 04:02, 30 October 2008 (EDT)

We'll never know for sure that he actually absorbed all of those abilities until he actually demonstrates them. I think the old heading was fine, and changing it to the current one raised the issue of the demonstration of poison emission. Imho, I think it's better to not include several unconfirmed abilities rather than omit one that we know him to have. If you don't mind, I'm changing the heading back to the original one. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 21:20, 30 October 2008 (EDT)
I'm not going to revert it, but I'm not sure why we have to see him demonstrate an ability to know he's absorbed it when it's been stated that he has by both him and Peter. This is a bit of a different situation than Peter unknowingly absorbing abilities, which is where the absorved/demonstrated discrepancy arose. Arthur seems to know about the abilities he's absorbed (he uses TK without seeing Peter do so). He also states "You don't have your powers anymore, Peter...I have them. This should be sufficient canonical evidence to say that he's absorbed all of the powers Peter had. --Stevehim 00:01, 31 October 2008 (EDT)
I agree with you there for the most part. It's just that we just can't be absolutely certain until Arthur's actually demonstrated the abilities. And my point still stands about having several unconfirmed abilities omitted rather than having one confirmed ability omitted. Besides, the header right now seems to satisfy both sides... Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 00:08, 31 October 2008 (EDT)

Poison emission

When did Arthur demonstrate Poison emission? The only instance I can recall offhand of him showing he had the ability was his eyes turning black, but that doesn't qualify as demonstrating the ability, imo, as the poison was not emitted, and nobody was affected by it. I took it more as showing that he had acquired the ability , rather than having used it. --Stevehim 13:52, 30 October 2008 (EDT)

Keep in mind that it used to be "Known powers absorbed." You changed it to "abilities demonstrated," which is probably the source of your confusion. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 21:17, 30 October 2008 (EDT)
I agree that the heading you changed it to is the best one to use, but it still brings into question whether poison emission was demonstrated or not. I don't believe it was, and so shouldn't be on the list. It's a relatively minor issue, but, imo, it's currently an inaccuracy. --Stevehim 00:13, 31 October 2008 (EDT)
The darkened eyes after the absorption were just to show Mohinder that he absorbed it. Would he have demonstrated the ability then Maya would suffer from it, so no he didn't demonstrate the ability yet. -- Futurepeter ( U - T - C ) 07:34, 31 October 2008 (EDT)
I actually didn't change it to that heading. :P I believe MiamiVolts did. But poison emission still falls under the category of "absorbed," does it not? Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 12:16, 31 October 2008 (EDT)
Posion emission was certainly absorbed, but if we're saying that the heading means only one of the criteria is needed to qualify, and should be changed to or. And then I'd still have a problem with the idea that the absorption of Peter's powers is unconfirmed until demonstrated, as it was specifically stated. We take characters' words for other things without having to see a demonstration that they're telling the truth...why would that not apply here? --Stevehim 12:27, 31 October 2008 (EDT)
This is not about a heading or a syntactical use of language. Arthur clearly demonstrated the ability. (See Image:This child is clean.jpg.) There's nothing in the definition of poison emission that says the user has to affect others in order to demonstrate the ability (or if there is, it should be changed). Maya has not killed everybody in her vicinity every time she has used the ability. The eyes of the ability's owner turning black is clearly demonstrating the ability, even if it's only for a moment. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 11:41, 8 November 2008 (EST)
That's actually incorrect. "Poison emission is the ability to emit a deadly poison, which can kill people in one's vicinity."
From Merriam-Webster: emit:
  1. a: to throw or give off or out (as light or heat) b: to send out : eject
  2. a: to issue with authority ; especially : to put (as money) into circulation b: obsolete : publish
  3. to give utterance or voice to <emitted a groan>
There is no definition of 'emit' that doesn't include some external function. As for Maya not killing everyone every time the power was used, that's not really the issue, as poison doesn't have to necessarily kill. The question is whether we've ever seen her use it and the people around her not be affected at all. Like I siad earlier, the user's eyes turning black is not the power...it's a side effect of it, similar to how precogs eyes turn white. If you consider that a demonstration of the power, then we should list Hiro as having demonstrated precognition simply because his eyes changed. I won't revert it for now, but I would like to discuss it further, as I don't see it as having been demonstrated at all. --Stevehim 22:13, 8 November 2008 (EST)
  • I think we need to assume the poison was emitted but not long enough to cause anyone else harm. If I recall correctly, we also counted nerve gas emission as a demonstrated ability even though we couldn't be sure the nerve gas was actually in the guy's sweat in the novel and no one ended up getting killed from it. This is a similar situation, imho.--MiamiVolts (talk) 22:25, 8 November 2008 (EST)
    • I certainly don't want to be using the dictionary to define whether or not Arthur demonstrated the ability. And if the word "emit" is the issue, well then we need a new name for the ability--the name of the ability (which is derived from a word Tim Kring used in a commentary) should also not dictate whether or not Arthur used the ability. Black eyes is undeniably linked to demonstrations of the power, even if only for a moment. I think it's fine to say that he's demonstrated it. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:18, 8 November 2008 (EST)
      • I don't think it really needs to be changed (and thus withdraw my objection to it being listed as demonstrated), as I can accept the idea that it was used for a split second and turned off (though I still don't think that's what happened). However, if that's the case, then shouldn't white eyes indicate precognition (except when it indicates death) being used, even if no vision fo the future is seen, painted, etc, based on the same reasoning? --Stevehim 18:20, 9 November 2008 (EST)
        • The precognition discussion really doesn't belong on this page, but I think you are correct for the most part, as white eyes are normally meant to signify precognition. However, I'm not ready to say it is definitive proof that Hiro is experiencing precognition until we have more info on what is happening to him, as the white eyes may or may not be related to the paste/drugs he was given.--MiamiVolts (talk) 19:07, 9 November 2008 (EST)
        • Pretty much, Stevehim. That's why Matt and Hiro's pictures are on the precognition page. It doesn't mean they have that ability (just as Ando has teleported numerous times, but he doesn't have the ability), just that they have displayed the ability. Think of it as ability extension. Ntare Guma Mbaho Mwine talks a bit about this in a recent interview. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 19:10, 9 November 2008 (EST)

Latent Abilities

Since Arthur absorbed and used Lightning from Peter, who himself mimicked it, it goes to follow that Arthur has all of Peter's mimicked powers and all of Peter's exposed abilities latent. He also has Peters mimicry latent, which puts a few under Arthur's own exposed category. Currently, all of this info is buried in the notes section. Shouldn't this be put on a more visible location, like the Abilities section? --SacValleyDweller (talk) 00:07, 31 October 2008 (EDT)

Agreed. --Stevehim 00:14, 31 October 2008 (EDT)
Is Chuck's confirmation that Arthur absorbed empathic mimicry enough for the power to be at the known abilities absorbed section at the infobox or is that area exclusive to info we get from the show? Intuitive Empath 14:11, 31 October 2008 (EDT)
  • Shouldn't the new abilities Arthur demonstrated in Villians be listed on the main page, such as persuasion because of what was said to Angela Petrelli to make her agree to Nathan's murder. Linderman also mentioned that he could heal the damage that Arthur did when forcing thoughts into Angelas head and when he erased her memories. Could Arthur have the same ability as the Haitian?--Giveitdeath 17:22, 11 November 2008 (EST)
    • Arthur appears to be using Telepathy for this in much the same way that Maury Parkman and Matt Parkman can alter the thoughts of other people. Telepathy is already a listed ability for Arthur. --Ted C 17:26, 11 November 2008 (EST)
  • Im sorry but i don't agree, if it was just telepathy then there would be no need for the Haitians memory removal ability to be in the series, someone with telepathy could just be used instead.--Giveitdeath 17:33, 11 November 2008 (EST)
    • I can only call it as I see it. There is no real evidence that Arthur's ability to control Angela's thoughts was anything but advanced telepathy. If I recall right, he didn't even erase her memory, he just made her believe that what he had done was necessary and appropriate, and that change to her personality was what Linderman healed. --Ted C 17:41, 11 November 2008 (EST)
  • Linderman said that Arthur erased Angelas memories.--Giveitdeath 17:44, 11 November 2008 (EST)
    • Even so, I don't see that as necessarily outside the scope of telepathy. Technically, Hiro could duplicate Daphne's super-speed at will with his ability to manipulate time, but we don't dispute that because he's duplicating an ability with more limited scope. --Ted C 17:46, 11 November 2008 (EST)
  • Arthur commanded her to forget the same way Eden commanded her stepmother to die, it's like a loop hole, if you can't actively erase the memory, but you can order the brain to do something, you can order it to forget. Intuitive Empath 17:48, 11 November 2008 (EST)

Powers list on main page

It should not just list all the abilities he's "demonstrated", but everyone that he has. It is obvious that he has ALL of Peter's powers and that he has Maya's power, even if he hasn't actually demonstrated their use. It is entirely unreasonable to assume otherwise, and concordantly, inaccurate to list only the ones he's used. If, for some reason, you feel you MUST also list the ones he's demonstrated, you could list them all and note which ones he's demonstrated with a little star (*) or (d) or whatever next to them. I'm pretty sure the black eyes is enough for me to show that Arthur has Maya's ability, but even that's not listed there. There is no reason to be so conservative with listing his abilities. --Logic[] 12:56, 1 November 2008 (EDT)

  • What about the abilities Peter was exposed to, but never demonstrated? They should probably also be listed there, but I'm not sure of the best way to phrase to accompanying sentence. Technically, they should all fall under the current list of abilities Arthur has acquired but has yet to demonstrate, but they should also be separated from the ones Peter had demonstrated before being stolen. Right now, it's in the notes section, but it should probably be moved to the abilities section. --Stevehim 20:15, 3 November 2008 (EST)

Dr. Evil?

Does anyone else think that Arthur talks kinda like Dr. Evil from Austin Powers. Especially when he says "Come give your father a hug," in Dying of the Light. Compare that to Dr. Evil's last line in this video.--PrometheusMMIV 16:16, 10 November 2008 (EST)