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Finally!

  • Finally we have a better name for him! (Admin 21:43, 15 October 2007 (EDT))
    • Yeah it's Matt's dad. --The Empath 22:44, 15 October 2007 (EDT)
      • Anybody for changing this to "Mr. Parkman" since we don't have a first name yet? --Fcphantom 23:24, 15 October 2007 (EDT)
        • Some candidate names I mentioned in an earlier section are: Matt Parkman's father, Nightmare Man, or Mr. Parkman. Don't particularly care for "Nightmare Man." I think Matt Parkman's father might be the best since Mr. Parkman is more ambiguous, though I think either would technically be acceptable. (Admin 23:27, 15 October 2007 (EDT))
          • I'd lean towards "Mr. Parkman" since it matches "Mr. Linderman" and "Mr. Petrelli". Plus, we have a name from the video game: "Maury Parkman". I think "Mr. Parkman" is the safe bet until that full name is revealed.--Hardvice (talk) 23:33, 15 October 2007 (EDT)
            • Yes, I'll side with Mr. Parkman too, with Matt Parkman's father as a redirect (why not?).--MiamiVolts (talk) 23:36, 15 October 2007 (EDT)
              • Just found this discussion (it's harder to check every edit nowadays--curse the huge Heroes fan base!)...I've been linking Mr. Parkman; it just strikes my ear in a nicer way. Either is fine, though. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:05, 16 October 2007 (EDT)
  • I'm still up in the air why Molly was trying to find Matt Parkman's father in the first place. She has had these images of the boggy man even before she met Matt for the second time. --Pinkkeith 10:11, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

Alan Blumenfeld

Sorry, I'm new here, and don't know where to add this bit of trivia. My wife and I noticed that the actor who portrays Parkman's father also played Greg Grunberg's father on the television show Felicity. Is this something that could be added to the trivia section?--Wiredfu 14:59, 16 October 2007 (EDT)

  • Absolutely. That's a piece of trivia for the actor page, though, not the character page. When the page is written for Alan Blumenfeld (feel free to write it, if you want), that'll make a terrific piece of trivia. Welcome aboard! -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 11:33, 16 October 2007 (EDT)

Telepathic Illusion??

Is that his power? --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 10/22/2007 21:30 (EST)

  • It seems more like his power deals with nightmares, since Molly calls him the "Nightmare Man".--Ice Vision 21:33, 22 October 2007 (EDT)
  • His power is confirmed to be Telepathy by Mr. Parkman himself, his is just more advanced. --Snow Leapord 21:59, 22 October 2007 (EDT)
    • He could have lied to fool Matt into going into that separate room. He's not exactly the most honest of people.--Bob (talk) 22:02, 22 October 2007 (EDT)
      • Chandra had a file which listed the power "induced hallucination" which also might be appropriate based oh what hp did to Nathan and Matt. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 10/22/2007 22:03 (EST)
    • He could have been lying, sure, but it is pretty consistent with someone with an advanced form of telepathy (and led into showing Matt's powers developing to the point where he can project as well). Plus it is a canonical source wheras calling it anything else would be speculative. In the end we may just have to go with telepathy for now unless we find out differently. (Admin 22:10, 22 October 2007 (EDT))
      • Agree. While it's certainly possible (perhaps even likely) that there's more going on than he's saying, for now we have his word for it and a demonstration of an ability that, even if it isn't really telepathy, is certainly telepathy-like enough to support his claim for now.--Hardvice (talk) 00:01, 23 October 2007 (EDT)
      • Why not go for the obvious that isn't speculative, but also differentiates between him and Matt....Advanced Telepathy would fit the bill, distinguish the two, and not be speculative. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 10/22/2007 22:12 (EST)
        • I don't think we need to define a new power for him, rather supplement the current telepathy article with the examples of Mr. Parkman's uses as well as Matt's developing ability to project. (Admin 22:22, 22 October 2007 (EDT))
  • Could it be possible that Mr. Parkman has a form of mental manipulation? It seems that he can block Matt Parkman's telepathy, and make him hurt while he's attempting to read his mind. The hallucinations generated in Fight or Flight could be a result of Mr. Parkman's manipulation of Matt's and Nathan's five senses. Additionally, I don't recall him actually reading anyone's mind in Fight or Flight (unless my memory fails to serve me properly). Thrashmeister 22:14, 22 October 2007 (EDT)
    • Also remember that when Matt tried to read Peter's mind before the feedback loop was painful for them as well. (Admin 22:17, 22 October 2007 (EDT))
      • I'm not so sure Matt was projecting (referring to whoever said that)- I think he was saying it, and since Nathan couldn't SEE Matt yet, he just heard it. The voice was there, but I don't think it was being Telepathically Projected. But who knows? I'm often wrong.--Riddler 22:24, 22 October 2007 (EDT)
        • I wonder if we might have to make a new section for evolved powers if stuff like this happens more often. --AvadaNella 23:51, 22 October 2007 (EDT)
        • Check the scene again, I went back and rewatched it to be sure. He said it a few times, but towards the end you can hear him thinking it. Just saying it isn't enough to break through because each of their words aren't getting through to the other, but he's eventually able to force his thoughts through and break out. Check it out, it's easier the second time through. (Admin 23:54, 22 October 2007 (EDT))
          • Yeah, this time he was definitely projecting thoughts. His lips weren't moving the last time he "spoke", and it got the telepathic "feedback" sound. Fits with what Joe and Aron said in today's BTE, too.--Hardvice (talk) 00:02, 23 October 2007 (EDT)
            • Woohoo! Finally some thought projection from Matt! --DismantleRepair 18:41, 23 October 2007 (EDT)
  • I still don't think it's telepathy. Here's Beeman's take:

Another complex sequence in our little weekly TV show is the entire nightmare man sequence where Maury, Matt Parkman’s father. This character throws both Nathan and Matt into their respective worst nightmares. We had to show 3 things at once: First, Matt Parkman’s nightmare of being locked up for abandoning his family. Second, Nathan’s nightmare that New York had blown up and that he had to do battle with his own inner demon. And third, that in reality, both men were fighting each other under the control of Maury. "

  • What do y'all think?--Bob (talk) 01:11, 23 October 2007 (EDT)
    • I, too, don't think it's telepathy. Matt's telepathic abilities are obviously a lot stronger and more complex than originally shown: he was able not only to project his thoughts to Nathan, but also (from what I saw) to dispel the nightmare around him. Nevertheless, I don't think his abilities extend to trapping others in nightmares like this. I believe that Maury Parkman's ability is obviously mentally-based, but doesn't fall under telepathy. He was never shown actually reading or projecting any thoughts; also, he's clearly a liar. I think calling his ability "telepathy" is assuming he's telling the truth, especially considering that his ability differed so wildly from what Matt has exhibited. No, I don't think his power is telepathy at all. -- Paronine 02:09, 23 October 2007 (EDT)
    • I do think it's telepathy. There's the scene earlier in their encounter where Matt gets feedback trying to read his father's mind, just like when he tried to read Peter's mind. His father tells him that their ability only begins with telepathy and then becomes so much more. While his father's not the most honest person, I don't really find a compelling reason for him to lie when telling Matt about his powers. Moreso I just get the feeling that the writers are trying to move the plot along here rather than deceive us, but I admit that's not a very compelling argument. More importantly after they're trapped in their nightmares Matt's able to project his thoughts to Nathan which supports his father's statement that their power just begins at telepathy. I think what were seeing is a very advanced telepath who's modus operandi is to get into people's heads and show them their fears (i.e. nightmares). It's a convenient way of turning a relatively benign power into a weapon. (Admin 02:20, 23 October 2007 (EDT))
      • Wow, never before has my mind been changed so rapidly. Still, I do take issue with telepathy covering this sort of thing. Mainly, it's because this show of telepathy kind of steps on the toes of Candice's ability. While I understand the advantages illusion has over this power, the extreme nature of inducing such nightmares using telepathy makes this particular ability extraordinarily powerful. The ability to mentally shield oneself and attack other minds I can accept, but the ability to a) hear thoughts, b) project thoughts, c) guard one's mind, d) induce nightmares, and e) God knows what else just seems too wide-spanning and powerful for my tastes. Then again, there are still two characters who can set off a nuclear explosion with little effort. So, meh. -- Paronine 02:38, 23 October 2007 (EDT)
      • I just think there's more to it. From what Beeman said about nightmares, to Molly's nightmares, to Matt telling Nathan to "wake up", to Maury saying "pleasant dreams" when he walks out. It's not the same as Dream manipulation, but I think it's either a vast development of telepathy, or it's something else.--Bob (talk) 02:53, 23 October 2007 (EDT)
  • i was thinking along the lines of advanced telepathy, up until now Telepathy was simply reading the topmost thoughts, we've now seen projection of both thoughts, and complete visions, as well as reading deep into memories, it's a completely different level to what Matt can do, though he did show thought projection. I think either a new article for advanced Telepathy, or the Telepathy article needs quite a bit added...Ehsteve23 07:26, 23 October 2007 (EDT)
  • The thing is, even if Maury's power is the same as Matt's (and I have not problem with the idea that it is), it really encompasses more than what the word "telepathy" connotes. There may be warrant for changing the name of the power to something more general that includes both simple telepathy and control of nightmares and hallucinations. Not sure what a good name for that would be. Then, it could be explained that Matt's ability at that power is currently at a basic level that only includes mind reading (which is actually itself more specific than telepathy which could be two-way communication), and that Maury's ability has advanced to include more things.--E rowe 13:54, 23 October 2007 (EDT)
  • Maybe he's another empath? This might explain why his powers are different from Matt's.--Theslate 16:21, 23 October 2007 (EDT)
    • Just another canonic reminder of something that was mentioned way back in season 1. Chandra had a file which listed the power "INDUCED HALLUCINATION" which also might be appropriate based on what hp did to Nathan and Matt. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 10/23/2007 16:32 (EST)
      • I agree with Induced Hallucination more, maybe he can create people's worst nightmares, which would explain the latest Graphic Novel as well and also the fact that Molly calls him the Nightmare Man. He also says just before leaving his apartment "sweet dreams." which leads me to believe it's something to do with dreams/nightmares. If this is true, could his power be related to Charles Deveaux's? --Ciaran 01:09, 23 October 2007 (EDT)
  • Greg Grunberg and Greg Beeman discuss his power in the episode commentary. Grunberg says that Maury is "also a mind reader".--Hardvice (talk) 00:56, 24 October 2007 (EDT)

Mr. Parkman as the prison guard (speaking backwards)

  • When Mr. Parkman first traps Matt and appears as the prison guard his speech is originally reversed. If you reverse it and play it back he's saying, "You abandoned your kid, you a dead-beat." Later I can make out "Hands against the wall." There's some in there I can't interpret, not sure if it's of any interest or not. (Admin 22:49, 22 October 2007 (EDT))
    • Possible homage to Twin Peaks anyone?? --HandsOffMyPeter 06:38, 23 October 2007 (EDT)
      • It's actually the guard's voice, it sounds different. He says "You know the drill, hands against the wall", and then "You abandoned your kid, you a deadbeat, and now you're gonna pay." Later when he looks at him through the slit in the door, he says "no one's supposed to be here", with both normal and reverse speech overlapping. --DismantleRepair 01:10, 26 October 2007 (EDT)

Rename

  • I think it's safe to rename Mr. Parkman to Maury Parkman now that his first name has been mentioned both in the show and in the Heroes Interactive which I'm editing now.--MiamiVolts (talk) 01:06, 23 October 2007 (EDT)

Maury and the Future Past

Ah, variant timelines. They're a bugger.

So, I wonder if this scheme of Maury's to kill off some or all of the group of twelve occurred in the future we saw in the first season? We did not see any of the them in Five Years Gone, certainly. Presumably Linderman was involved in the Linderman Act, so he may not have died on Election Day. Was Linderman somehow what was keeping Maury in check? (Though, I cannot quite place what about saving Claire and exploding in the upper atmosphere instead of in the city, as the two known time-altering events, led to D.L. and Niki following up on the kidnapping of Micah. It seems like that would have happened regardless.) --FissionChips 12:27, 23 October 2007 (EDT)

New Image

I think we should use the present-time image of Maury from Fight or Flight rather than the past one from the photograph.--MiamiVolts (talk) 16:42, 23 October 2007 (EDT)

  • Bumping my comment. If no one minds, I'll swap it and perhaps add the old image to a gallery.--MiamiVolts (talk) 23:36, 23 October 2007 (EDT)
    • I think that is a wonderful idea. Random guy 23:38, 23 October 2007 (EDT)
    • Not only that, but we should update this image and the imagemap as well with a current image.--Hardvice (talk) 00:20, 24 October 2007 (EDT)
      • So I updated the image and added the old one to the gallery. Looks like both versions of Maury's character may be played by the same actor? Am I right?--MiamiVolts (talk) 00:52, 24 October 2007 (EDT)
        • Yes, it's the same actor. However, it's also Joanna Cassidy in the photo, so I'm guessing the casting call for "younger" versions is for an episode (possibly set in the past or a flashback), not for the photos.--Hardvice (talk) 00:58, 24 October 2007 (EDT)
          • Cool. Can you update the imagemaps you mentioned?--MiamiVolts (talk) 01:01, 24 October 2007 (EDT)

Dream manipulation?

Couldn't it be said that Maury's power overlaps, at least somewhat, with Sanjog Iyer's, i.e. dream manipulation? --Psiphiorg 02:17, 7 November 2007 (EST)

Section "Evolved Human Abilities"

This section says that Maury is "far more adept" than Matt at using his ability. When Maury's power became apparent this was certainly true, Matt wasn't even able to manipulate the minds of others yet however the last time Maury appeared in the show Matt defeated him, locking him inside "his nightmare" through his mental prowess. Yes, this may not have been simply a battle of powers but a battle of wits however the point remains that Matt at least rivals his father in telepathic ability, the statement that he is "far more adept" is no longer valid, at least in my eyes. To me the sentence "However, he is far more adept than his son at using his ability." could use deleting, the rest seems fine. Thoughts? --Marshmellis 06:13, 12 December 2007 (EST)

  • I think that it should stay. Matt has yet to do nearly as much as Maury can. More importantly, being "more adept" does not mean that you can falter once to a lesser opponent. Adept is strongly linked to aptitude, and in that light, Maury is far more adept than Matt. Knowledge and experience would make him more adept, imho.--Bob (talk) 06:50, 12 December 2007 (EST)

level 5

when did he escaped? --Manwithnoname 10:18, 9 October 2008 (EDT)

When Elle short-circuited the entire level. --Psiphiorg 17:29, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
Then did I somehow miss the part when they said Maury was in Level 5? Because I'm fairly certain that this is speculation. Darmenos 22:12, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
Well, he was seen in Angela's dream, but obviously that's not necessarily reality (yet). However, writers Joe Pokaski and Aron Coleite said that Maury was in Level 5 when answering fan questions. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:22, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
Nathan was seeing Linderman in his hospital room before the Level 5 breakout. Does this strike anyone else as a continuity error? Even if Maury is powerful enough to be able to create a vision like that from within Level 5, I don't know how Maury could have been part of Arthur's plan before escaping. - Only3Penguins
Yeah, it looks like Maury had escaped Level 5 before the big escape caused by Sylar/Elle. The big question is who helped him.--MiamiVolts (talk) 19:16, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
I was thinking the same thing, because when Nathan asked if he was telepathic, Linderman chuckled, which gave me the clue. From Graphic Novel:Doyle, we learn that there's something in Level 5 that prevents the captives from using their abilities (though Michael can use his), so if Maury was in Level 5 when Nathan was shot, he wouldn't have been able to see Maury. --Bob (talk) 19:40, 14 October 2008 (EDT)

i have another worst question. how did he managed to escaped from his nightmare that matt put him to? --Manwithnoname 07:19, 17 October 2008 (EDT)

On Maury's telepathic specters...

Maury can generate specters with his telepathy. he has created specters of DL {Out of Time} and Linderman (this season). Shouldn't the histories of those specters be put on Maury's character history rather than those characters' respective histories?--SacValleyDweller (talk) 18:40, 19 October 2008 (EDT)

I was about to ask the same thing. Cyfin 01:00, 21 October 2008 (EDT)

Maybe he's not really dead?

Maybe Maury got into everyone nearby's mind and projected an illusion before it looked like Arthur snapped his neck and he dropped to the floor? As much of a bad father he was, his "last" words and insistence on protecting Matt (a counterpoint to how Arthur treated Peter) made me feel sympathy for him. --Torley 23:07, 28 October 2008 (EDT)

It seems plausible. I don't think Maury would be stupid enough to go against Arthur like that... maybe he took a precaution and cast an illusion. But for now, we should probably leave him as deceased. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 23:09, 28 October 2008 (EDT)
  • Considering that Arthur has the ability of telepathy i highly doubt he would be able to fool Arthur. Arthur has shown himself to be a powerful yet intelligent foe.--ACDC1989 07:27, 30 October 2008 (EDT)
    • Perhaps he didn't consider using telepathy since he believes Maury to be dead... and of course, he thinks he's always right. :P Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 07:33, 30 October 2008 (EDT)
    • Well when matt was fighting nathan in an illusion, his telepathy spontaneously kicked in and canceled out the illusion. It doesn't appear to need conscious thoughtGamerelite1 21:57, 30 September 2009 (EDT)

The gallery...

It seems Maury's gallery is more focused on his ability (Nathan and Matt's dream dual, Molly's nightmare) than Maury himself... JackOfBloodyHearts 03:33, 6 November 2008 (EST)

  • Yeah, good catch. There's maybe two images that are there that would "belong". Most are not illustrative of the subject of the article. In fact, I don't think the page needs a gallery at all. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 07:10, 6 November 2008 (EST)

Birth: 1942

If you look at Matt's birth certificate, it details someone (presumably a parent) who was 26 years of age when Matt was born on June 10, 1968. Thoughts? --Ricard Desi (t,c) 18:28, 30 December 2008 (EST)

  • On that form (see here for an unobscured version), the mother is listed first, not the father. If we ever find out anything about Mrs. Parkman, we can add that she was 26 when Matt was born. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:59, 30 December 2008 (EST)
    • However, that same birth certificate also says she was born in 1939. If she were 26 when Matt was born in 1968, she would have been born in 1942. See here. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:52, 3 January 2009 (EST)

Maury's escape.

I've been thinking about how Maury might have escaped from his nightmare prison. So far everybody who has been trapped inside a nightmare (Molly, Nathan and Angela)have all required the assistance of another telepath (Matt) to help them break free. So I've come to thew conclusion that one needs some kind of telepathic powers to escape a nightmare,now Maury certainly has telepathy but he was being kept in the nightmare by Matt. However Matt is not as strong as Maury and may have lost his control when he was teleported to Africa allowing Maury his chance to escape the nightmare and be awake and alert enough to escape Level 5 when Elle blew the grid. Sure this doesn't explain how Nathan was seeing Linderman before the breakout, but lets just chalk that up to yet another season 3 continuity error. What do you guys think? D Toccs 23:15, 30 December 2008 (EST)

  • only problem I have is saying that matt lost control when he was teleported to africa. There is nothing saying that a telepath has to constantly try to keep a person in their prison. He most likely broke himself free after some hard work.

Matt's age when Maury left

Didn't Maury leave when Matt was 10, the year that Maury becoming the 12th founder?--Blood69 21:15, 31 March 2010 (EDT)

    • 13, but this puts it in 1982, meaning he worked with the Company for four years before leaving for good. --Ricard Desi 22:43, 31 March 2010 (EDT)

Stub

Can anyone fill in this stub? I don't recall what A Heros Quest is? ~~IHHTalk 19:25, 11 August 2015 (EDT)

  • It was a blog that Hiro kept. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:30, 12 August 2015 (EDT)
    • Well do you know how to fulfill this stub? ~~IHHTalk 11:33, 12 August 2015 (EDT)
      • Yes, but not off the top of my head. If have to do some digging. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:28, 12 August 2015 (EDT)
        • Okay, well it is my goal now to get these stubs DOWN! ~~IHHTalk 00:03, 13 August 2015 (EDT)