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Ah, so you succumbed to the pressure from Wikipedians to having brain "being it's own article", eh? Hehe ... - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 18:25, 8 January 2007 (EST)

  • Essentially. Might as well take away their causes for complaint. --Ted C 09:16, 9 January 2007 (EST)
  • It was one of few valid points they made. :) (Admin 18:22, 9 January 2007 (EST))

Brain Removal Removal

I kinda thought the purpose of having an article about the brain is to mention its references. I wouldn't really care about the few references mentioned in the article if it weren't for all the brain removal going on. I think those mentions are pretty important in the article. When I wrote them, I tried to keep them as spare as possible - basically "so and so lost their brain", "Sylar tried to take this brain and that", without going into a lot of extra details. I'd like to see those brain removal instances back in, since they really are references to the brain. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 13:40, 9 January 2007 (EST)

  • I don't have a strong objection, but I'd prefer to keep this article to "what we know about the brain and its connection to superhuman powers". Since we have a separate article dedicated to brain removal, it seems redundant to discuss brain removal at length on this page. --Ted C 14:03, 9 January 2007 (EST)
    • A possible compromise would be simply a note about brain removal in general, a bare list of victims, and a link to Brain removal. That way, the refs are still here, but the article is mostly about brains as the source of powers. And after all, brains as the source of powers is the whole reason behind brain removal...--Hardvice (talk) 14:12, 9 January 2007 (EST)
      • There are at least two links to Brain Removal on the page already. --Ted C 14:18, 9 January 2007 (EST)
      • I've added several references to brain removal victims in the notes. Would that be sufficient? --Ted C 14:26, 9 January 2007 (EST)
        • Actually, I reread the article after my comment and I tend to agree with you that brain removal was already pretty well covered. That said, the expanded note works pretty well, too.--Hardvice (talk) 14:28, 9 January 2007 (EST)
          • I don't mean to harp, but I don't think the point of an article is just to "cover" a topic, or sufficiently link to another page. It's to note its references in the show. We wouldn't remove references to Ando on Hiro's page just because it's already covered - Hiro and Ando's story lines are inseperably connected. References to "the brain" and "brain removal" are also very closely connected in the show, obviously. I think somebody coming to this page expects to see a mention of brain removal victims in the "about" section under each episode subheading. I know it may be redundant, but so is much of what we have on the site - certain paragraphs for Niki, Jessica, Micah, and D.L. vary very little from the originating episodes' paragraphs, for example. Especially because "brain" used to be a redirect to "brain removal", I think it's really important that brain removal victims are included in the history section, rather than just relegated to the Notes section. (Okay, rant finished.) - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 18:18, 9 January 2007 (EST)
          • I would say if there is that much overlap, we should have one article. But I think we need two because there are two different subjects: brains, and brain removal. Yes, there are a lot of repeats between, say, Jessica and Niki, but you'll notice that each is confined to one character's POV. Similarly, references articles need to be "about" something. If an article is about "brains", it isn't about "brain removal", even though (like Niki and Jessica) there's plenty of overlap. If this article is going to contain every shred of information from "brain removal", then we should just delete "brain removal", since "brain" is a bigger topic. That's why Linderman's thugs share a page, and why Lisa and Hank shared a page to begin with: there was nothing to say about one that couldn't also be said of the other. For "brain" and "brain removal" to work as distinct articles, we need to decide which information belongs in which article. I'm not opposed to having episodic mentions of brain removal (in fact, since they involve the brain, I'd say we should have them), but they need to be just that: mentions. The information is already covered in more detail in "brain removal". It should be the equivalent of Niki's and Jessica's entries for Homecoming: cover the appearance of a brain (like Niki) without detailing the circumstances of its removal (like Jessica). If the articles aren't distinct enough to sustain different treatment, then they should be merged.--Hardvice (talk) 13:36, 10 January 2007 (EST)
            • I agree that there should be just a quick episodic mention of brain removal. "Homecoming: Sylar attempts to remove Jackie's brain." or "Seven Minutes to Midnight: Charlie's head is sliced open." I don't think there was too much more than just that - maybe one sentence for each vic. I think those references should be restored, then.

              As for the Hank/Lisa or Linderman's thugs argument, wouldn't it follow that Monty and Simon Petrelli should share a page? I don't think so, but just a little side note... - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 13:46, 10 January 2007 (EST)

              • Actually, the only reason I didn't put Monty and Simon on the same page was that the link was too long to format nicely in the sidebar for Nathan and Heidi under chiddrins.  :) --Hardvice (talk) 13:51, 10 January 2007 (EST)
          • OK, we do NOT have a full listing of brain-removal incidents (by episode) on the Brain removal page. Is this where we want it, then? If so, then go ahead. --Ted C 09:36, 10 January 2007 (EST)


Would it be worth mentioning the fact that Jessica having a power while Niki doesn't supports the "brain origin" theory? This disparity is only plausible if Jessica's strength originates in the brain, not the muscles. --Ted C 15:08, 9 January 2007 (EST)

Only in the notes section, since it's speculation. Sound speculation, but speculation nonetheless. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:28, 9 January 2007 (EST)
Hmmm. If they share muscles, don't they also share a brain? We'd need to be clear that the difference is Niki's inability to access that part of their shared brain, and not imply that Jessica's brain is different from Niki's brain. Except it might be ... there's some evidence that they might actually physically switch places, in which case they don't share muscles either. Ryan's right: too little is known about her powers ATM to say much with any certainty.--Hardvice (talk) 16:16, 9 January 2007 (EST)