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Japanese written characters

  • I'm not sure how in general fan site wikis deal with different languages spoken in the content of the show. Anyways I thought in this particular case it would be cool to add what Charlie is saying in Japanese actually in Japanese. I'd say I'm about 50% sure the way it's spelled in Japanese is "愛してる". (Check out this explanation if you are curious.) Now Ryangibsonstewart mentioned that he couldn't see the characters, that they just turned up as question marks on his screen. I wonder if everyone else can see the Japanese characters on their screen or if it is just question marks.
    • I think the problem is you are using a character code that our web browsers are not interpreting properly, or you are referencing a font that we do not have installed. My browser is set to render with "Times New Roman", so if it's not in that font set, it shows up as a square. I believe that if you wish to include other languages, they need to be either Images, or use HTML/style code to force your font. --Orne 11:44, 1 December 2006 (EST)
      Here is what I see...
      • It may just be Asian language support. I have a default font in my browser but I have ALS turned on, and I see the characters. Still, not much we can do to make sure the reader can see them except to use image, or avoid them.--Hardvice (talk) 12:09, 1 December 2006 (EST)
      • So Orne, if you go here you don't see the Japanese script characters?Dadadave 07:32, 2 December 2006 (EST)
        • Yeah, browsing at work (Windows 2k machines 2/ IE6), they come up as squares. It does not prompt me because our admins have all of that stuff turned off (just followed the directions)... I guess I can only get to it from home. --Orne 17:08, 4 December 2006 (EST)
  • I also wonder in general if we should include the actual Japanese as much as possible or if that is just confusing.Dadadave 10:44, 1 December 2006 (EST)
    • I think it would tend to detract from the summaries, but it could be done well in the Notes sections -- if we can resolve the ALS problem.--Hardvice (talk) 12:13, 1 December 2006 (EST)
    • Yeah I agree. I think it'd be "cool" but if it confuses people then let's leave it out. But using the Romanized version of words is okay, right? So "aishiteru" is okay?Dadadave 07:32, 2 December 2006 (EST)
    • There is no need to limit the information we share here to the lowest common denominator or broken browser/OS environment. If it's meaningful to include some Japanese, then you can include the actual Japanese kana and kanji and follow parenthetically with the rōmaji, so all Westerners and beginning students can play at home. But please don't use pictures for the text. It's ugly, unsearchable, uneditable, and wrong. — Dreamcore 14:37, 1 April 2007 (EDT)
      • Again, it should in general be restricted to Notes. The articles are written in English, not Japanese, because this is an English-language version of the Wiki, and the text of the articles are written from an in-world perspective, so a language lesson is misplaced in the main article text. But yes, if you'd like to use kanji characters, feel free to do so. Just be sure to use Template:Asian Text somewhere on the article so users without ALS will know why they're seeing a bunch of little boxes and how to fix it. Otherwise, it just makes us look sloppy or elitist. It's not a "lowest common denominator" issue--it's an issue of good web design and accessibility.--Hardvice (talk) 17:04, 1 April 2007 (EDT)

Charlie's Last Name

I know the blogs are not considered cannon, but on Hiros's Blog it gives her name as "Charlie Andrews".

Also other versions of The list have "Andrews" as the incomplete name from Midland, TX.--Level 16:47, 4 December 2006 (EST)

  • That's pretty interesting, actually. I'll see if I can get another screen cap of the list. There's just not enough to tell if it says "Andrews" in any of the appearances so far. Still, Hiro's blog entry is probably worth a Note, though.--Hardvice (talk) 16:58, 4 December 2006 (EST)

Charlies power is more than memory

She has something a little bit more that Eidetic Memory, as that does NOT convey comprehension. Charlie, after a brief look in Hiro's English-Japanese dictionary, is able to begin speaking Japanese. Slow at first, she rapidly adds new words and begins to assimilate grammar nuances.

I would describe her power as "Rapid Learning". --Waffle Fan 10:19, 14 February 2007 (EST)

  • I agree, I don't think "eidetic memory" is the best name for the power. You're right, it does not denote comprehension (Sylar, too, not only read and remembered the entire trucker's manual, but he understood it and was able to apply it). Besides, normal unevolved humans can have an eidetic memory. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 10:29, 14 February 2007 (EST)
    • While I don't object to the possibility that Charlie was "speed learning", I don't want to redefine her power too quickly. She had anywhere from days to months to develop her understanding of Japanese, and a perfect memory would make that a much easier task: just imagine being able to see a translation table and pronunciation table in your head every time you wanted to say something. I think her memory power lent itself particularly well to that type of learning, but wouldn't be as applicable to something like driving a truck, which will require developing some motor skills as well as just knowledge. Sylar has intuitive aptitude in addition to superhuman memory: it makes sense that he would be able to apply new knowledge with ridiculous speed. --Ted C 12:27, 14 February 2007 (EST)
      • I'm certainly not suggesting we redefine her power — I quite like what's already been written. I'm just saying I don't like the name of the power. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 13:13, 14 February 2007 (EST)

Happy Birthday, Charlie

April 24th, it would be her birthday today. Aww.--Leshia 09:08, 24 April 2007 (EDT)

Picture

Does everyone like the picture or can I put up a new one of Charlie looking near the camera, you see more of her face. — AHB10 02:01, 27 April 2009 (EDT)

She was so sweet...

I can't help but mourn her again and again. This was Sylar's cruelest murder. -- Altes 06:30, 2 May 2009 (EDT)

  • She couldn't hurt a fly. Sylar, you suck.--Boycool42 16:50, 24 February 2010 (EST)

Saving Charlie Book?

Does this count as canon? Cause in the book, Hiro and Charlie visit Tokyo which means that the front page of this article has to be changed cause it says that the third stop would have been Tokyo. Also I hated the way they made it look on the show, when Hiro lost his powers. It's like using a video and cutting it up to place words beside each other to make the person say something stupid. --Mc hammark 16:33, 10 May 2009 (EDT)

How's She Die, Again?

First, I'll start off of how i came to think of this.. I remembered seeing the Charlie would return for an episode and i began to wonder.. Hm, i never clearly understood how she died exactly. So originally she was killed by Sylar, but then when Hiro went back did he save her from the murder by Sylar or did she die of the blood clot? --Scorvi12 06:33, 12 October 2009 (EDT)

  • Hiro never saved her. (In fact, that was the whole meta purpose of the character's existence, according to the writers--to show that Hiro can't really change the past.) But Hiro never saved her. She was originally killed by Sylar, and even after Hiro went back in time, she was still killed by Sylar. The purpose of the aneurysm was to show that Charlie had given up on life, and the only thing that Hiro really changed was in making her happier. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 10:25, 12 October 2009 (EDT)
    • Thankyou, very much for answering my question. I understand it now..

Will she be saved?

I have a horrible feeling that Charlie will end up like Caitlin- lost in some indeterminate, inaccessible (once Hiro's dead) place, and never ever mentioned again. The fact that every Heroes villian save Sylar has died (and with Samuel goes the only knowledge of her wherabouts) does not do much to dispel this feeling. I hope that this arc gets some closure, even if she's just killed off. But what appears far more likely is that it will be convientely forgotten about for the final few episodes, Samuel will die at the end or at the start of the next Volume (a la Danko), and that will be end of her. Anyone else have this feeling, or am I being overly pessimistic? Swm 18:39, 13 January 2010 (EST)

  • I doubt they'll actually kill Hiro off. Probably save him somehow. Plus, they wouldn't have Hiro focusing so much on her if they weren't going to save her. Peter mentioned Caitlin maybe once after she got trapped in the future and then forgot about her. Hiro hasn't.--WarGrowlmon18 19:00, 13 January 2010 (EST)
    • I promise we'll find out more about Charlie before the season ends. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:10, 13 January 2010 (EST)
      • Do you know something? Is there a spoiler somewhere? That´s just cruel, suspense will kill me. --Jmfdr91 02:28, 19 January 2010 (EST)

Legion and Charlie

Recently I saw a movie called Legion with the main charchter being named Charlie who was a waitress at a New Mexico Diner and who needed to be saved to save the world. I couldn't help but think about Heroes Charlie during the movie and I quoted "save the waitress, save the world" when I saw that.--WarGrowlmon18 09:41, 25 January 2010 (EST)

Charlie, recurring character?

Technically, she has appeared in 4 episodes in Season 4 as of The Art of Deception. She first appeared at the end of Tabula Rasa with her back shown only (and of course she was projected in the house of mirrors), then she obviously starred in Once Upon a Time in Texas. Her 3rd on screen appearance is when Damien alters Hiro's memories at the end of Thanksgiving, and her 4th appearance being in The Art of Deception, where she appeared in Sylar's memory as Matt altered it. What do you guys say? Does the showing of Stock Footage only count as an episode appearance? If so, she's a recurring supportive character now. --Smouvy, 26 January 2010, 11:56 (GMT)

  • Yes, that's correct. She's a recurring character now. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 11:14, 26 January 2010 (EST)

Tim Petrelli

Why on this page does it say that tim petrelli is her sibling? daevon 22:07, 8 February 2010 (EST)

  • I think somebody must have copied and pasted from another page. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:28, 8 February 2010 (EST)

:/

.....wasn't expecting that at all.... :/ --Catalyst · Talk · HL 22:19, 8 February 2010 (EST)

  • It occurred to me only a few days ago. It's kind of a bittersweet end to their relationship. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 22:23, 8 February 2010 (EST)
    • That was such a great way to end it. It made me want to cry, but it was done amazingly, I couldn't think of a better way to let her go --Skullman1392 23:21, 8 February 2010 (EST)
      • Agree wholeheartedly. And K Callan really nailed it--she slipped into Charlie's character perfectly, and she was also appropriately touching, heartbreaking, and just plain sweet. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:29, 8 February 2010 (EST)
        • Exactly how I felt! I thought she was a great actress, and really conveyed all those feelings perfectly. I'd say it was one of my favorite moments on the show to date. --Skullman1392 23:46, 8 February 2010 (EST)
          • I was honestly hoping that Hiro would go back to 1944 and live with her, not bring her back. --mc_hammark 07:04, 9 February 2010 (EST)
            • I loved her expression when she watches Hiro teleport away.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 13:10, 10 February 2010 (EST)
            • It couldn't have happened (hence why she was likely placed there/then). 1944 America would have taken Hiro to an internment camp. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 13:12, 10 February 2010 (EST)
          • Well, post-1945, since charlie did say after the war was when she met her husband. --mc_hammark 13:15, 10 February 2010 (EST)
            • This would be the perfect end to Hiro. Maybe Ando could've taken over and done more on the show. I honestly have no idea what Ando and Hiro will do in volume 6.--Boycool42 19:43, 21 February 2010 (EST)

New Picture

So now that Charlie is old in present day, do we change her picture to the old lady version. I personally think we should keep her picture as the young version. What do you think?--Cairoi 00:43, 9 February 2010 (EST)

  • Agreed, put the old lady version in a gallery or something.--WarGrowlmon18 00:56, 9 February 2010 (EST)
    • I'd say have a picture of Old Charlie in the summary of Brave New World, like was done with Young Angela in 1961 summary, etc. --Skullman1392 02:06, 9 February 2010 (EST)
      • I think we should put the old Charlie image, because that's what she is now. Not a flashback, not a dream, it's present day now. Green.gif AltesUTC CH 02:46, 9 February 2010 (EST)
        • I say go back to young Charlie, as that's who the character was originally. We're probably never going to see her again, anyways.--Gibbeynator 07:12, 9 February 2010 (EST)
          • No, put back young Charlie! That's who the character really is. It's who she is remembered for. Put the old Charlie on the side of the page, next to the episode summary. --Cairoi 10:19, 9 February 2010 (EST)
            • I think that the young picture needs to be used because no one will recognize the old version as much as the young one. And the "automatic" pictures on the character portals will show this old picture for every season she was in. So people will see that picture in Season One and wonder who the heck that is. Please change it back just put the old version to the side. ~~IHHTalk 10:24, 9 February 2010 (EST)
              • I agree that we should change it back. Yes, it's how she is now, however the younger Charlie is how she is remembered (plus, if anyone comes here looking for info, the first thing they'll see is old Charlie, thus spoiling five chapters of buildup). --Ricard Desi (t,c) 10:28, 9 February 2010 (EST)
                • Agreed, I'd keep the young Charlie and just make sure that the current pic of her is included in the gallery. (Admin 11:20, 9 February 2010 (EST))

I think we should still put an old Charlie pic. Taking the Buffy wiki as an example, Xander Harris has undergone significant changes in his appearance - he lost an eye, so his page displays a picture with the one-eyed Xander, although it happened near the end of the series. What do you think? Green.gif AltesUTC CH 06:11, 12 August 2010 (EDT)

  • I Buffy though, didn't viewers actually see him getting older and changing in appearance? The difference is, the older Charlie appeared once, and it was a huge age jump, rather than a continual or 'normal' changing process. If Peter borrowed time travel and went to a future, seeing himself as an old man, we wouldn't change his picture to that, would we? --mc_hammark 18:06, 12 August 2010 (EDT)
    • No, because we would still have the young present-day Peter. But the young Charlie is gone, and now we have the old present-day Charlie. Green.gif AltesUTC CH 02:59, 13 August 2010 (EDT)
  • For the same reason this page is named "Charlie" and not "Charlene", we should use a picture of Jayma Mays to represent the character. That is how she is most widely and commonly known. A picture of Charlie in her advanced age can be included on the page (which it is), but should not be the lead image. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:03, 20 August 2010 (EDT)

Saving Charlie

Hiro did complete his mission of saving Charlie. He may not have ended up with her, but he saved her life and she got to live a full life so he did succed in his mission even if it didn't quite end as he planned it to.--WarGrowlmon18 19:28, 9 February 2010 (EST)

  • Although I'm heartbroken, the only thing I regret is that Charlie has never been to Otsu (as far as we know, at least). But yes, Hiro meant so save her, not to be with her. Well, he did mean to be with her, but you understand what I mean, right? He is a hero... and since Hiro's Volume Five storyline resembles Quantum Leap a lot, he must make sure Charlie lived a happy life and continue leaping. Green.gif AltesUTC CH 06:05, 10 February 2010 (EST)

quotes

I think we can do better than one quote about her by Hiro from heroes evolutions. Between season one and her role in season four, I'm sure there are plenty of good quotes by her. I can't think of any off the top of my head but if anyone else can they should add some. --Cairoi 12:46, 21 February 2010 (EST)

  • Haha, top of the head...sorry, got a little off track there. Uh, there was a good line about how she has forgiven Hiro and now they could have their happily ever after in 407.--Boycool42 19:37, 21 February 2010 (EST)
  • The idea is to list memorable quotes. If there are no quotes that are memorable, then we shouldn't list them. We certainly shouldn't be racking our brains to come up with some quotes just to "fill the page" so to speak. If they're memorable, we should at least remember the gist or the context. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:35, 21 February 2010 (EST)

what was her name after getting married?

Andrews was her maidien name, but they never mentioned her husband's last name. I think women keeping their own name at that time was unheard of, so what was it? Neuenberg? And if we do find out her new name, do we move the page?--Piemanmoo 20:44, 21 February 2010 (EST)

  • We don't know her married name. We could talk about a potential move, but it's really just theoretical. However, I wouldn't be too keen on the idea since Charlie is mostly known in the Heroes universe as "Charlie Andrews", and this page is mostly about her when she went by Andrews. We also usually use the name by which the character is most often known. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:33, 21 February 2010 (EST)
    • One thing we have yet to consider (because it hasn't been an issue in the past) is that for at least 20 years, there were two Charlies living simultaneously. Normally we would create another page for a character if they exist in a possible (read: disconnected) future. Perhaps the elder Charlie deserves her own page? I'm not married to the idea, but it is a possibility. --Ricard Desi 22:17, 21 February 2010 (EST)
      • Well, in this case the two Charlies are not from different timelines. I see her situation as a similar one to that of Arnold, and I don't think we need two pages for her.--MiamiVolts (talk) 22:38, 21 February 2010 (EST)
        • Agree. We make multiple pages for some characters if they exist in timelines that could change. Charlie's life without Hiro won't change because it's actually in the past, not the future. :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:58, 21 February 2010 (EST)
          • Leave it for now, there's always a chance that we'll find out what happened to Charlie in this new GN arc--Gibbeynator 06:54, 22 February 2010 (EST)

Age

How old was she when she was killed?--Boycool Two little mice fell in a bucket of cream. The first mouse quickly gave up and drowned. The second mouse wouldn't quit. He struggled so hard that eventually he churned that cream into butter and crawled out. Amen. 12:22, 8 May 2010 (EDT)