Talk:Clairsentience

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Ability Naming Conventions
The following sources are used for determining evolved human ability names, in order:
Episodes
2. Near-canon Sources Webisodes,
Graphic Novels,
iStories,
Heroes Evolutions
3. Secondary Sources Episode commentary,
Interviews,
Heroes: Survival
4. Common names for abilities Names from other works
5. Descriptions of abilities Descriptions
6. Possessor's name If no non-speculative
description is possible

Note: The highlighted row represents the level of the source used to determine clairsentience's name.
Source/Explanation
A file in the Genesis Files is called "clairsentience". Also, Bridget Bailey explicitly references Dr. Suresh's Activating Evolution chapter on "clairsentience" when referring to her ability in an email (Heroes Evolutions).

Clairsentience page, ready for the main archives?

OK guys....I've pretty much got this page finished up, and detailed as best as I can do. Can I get some consideration for moving it over to the main archive? It's more developed than several of our other powers pages. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 09/26/2007 18:02 (EST)

  • As long as the name was used by Bridget Bailey herself I think it's appropriate to move into the main namespace. We just have to make sure it's clear that this power appeared in a Heroes 360 production which it appears that it does. Let's get other opinions first, though. (Admin 18:05, 26 September 2007 (EDT))
  • Lead image still needs to be 450x350. There also seems to be a whole lot of unneeded italics for emphasis.--Hardvice (talk) 18:51, 26 September 2007 (EDT)
    • How do you accomplish 450x350 when the picture is portrait not landscape? --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 09/26/2007 21:03 (EST)
      • Either crop the picture so just the top, middle, or bottom are showing, or find a different picture that shows more on the left and the right. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:12, 26 September 2007 (EDT)

Charles Lamb

Actually, I'm wondering now if the image isn't jumping to some conclusions. All Bridget Bailey said was "I found myself stood in front of a building with a plaque that informed me Charles Lamb had worked there. Charles was a lawyer and a member of the same inn as me (albeit a hundred years ago)." Are we sure this is the exact plaque? I'm not a London expert, but I'm sure Charles Lamb has been to more places than just the Watch House on Gilsper Street. I feel safe in saying it was in London--how many plaques about Charles Lamb are there in London? -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:22, 26 September 2007 (EDT)

Ready for the main archives (2)?

I have updated the Clairsentience page with the new e-mails, added some details and selected some examples for the examples page (it was getting too big). I wonder if it could be included with the other powers; the ability is still regarded as being "unconfirmed" in the List of abilities, but we already have plenty of information about it.--Referos 15:20, 2 December 2007 (EST)

  • Thank you for making the page look so good--you've really brought it up to standard. However, clairsentience is listed as being unconfirmed not because we don't have enough information about it, but because it's found exclusively on BBC Two. In other words, the source is not a canon source. It is linked from template:power, Portal:Abilities, and the list of abilities, but always in a See Also sections or something similar. The page looks terrific! -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:57, 2 December 2007 (EST)
    • It is not solely BBC 2 anymore however, and falls into the same level of canon as the other Heroes 360 stuff, now that they are covering Bridget and her escapades. I personally consider Episodes and GNs (if they aren't contradicted by episodes) as 1st-Tier Canon, and Heroes 360 (if it isn't fan-generated like some A.E. pages) as 2nd-Tier Cannon. Now that Heroes 360 has endorsed Bridget; she should probably move out of the realm of 'suspected'. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 12/2/2007 21:16 (EST)
      • I didn't know that she was mentioned anywhere other than BBC Two. Where is she mentioned? If that's the case (that she was mentioned in a true Heroes Evolutions source), then Bridget, clairsentience, and London should all be fully included. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:33, 2 December 2007 (EST)
        • Check out This NBC "Game", click on the laptop, and the second e-mail message (it only covers four...). "Clairsentience" is mentioned there. Oddly enough, the game isn't listed as part of Evolutions in their walk-through.--Tim Thomason 23:18, 2 December 2007 (EST)

I'm hoping...

...that Sylar uses this ability in an episode. It'd be cool to a) have a better lead picture, and b) actually see it happen. I think this is what the spoilers meant that we'd see Arthur, but not in a flashback or time-travel. Angela commented to Sylar that the suit he wore fits, it might have been Arthurs. --Bob (talk) 01:24, 2 October 2008 (EDT)

  • Ooh, good thinking! -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 07:24, 2 October 2008 (EDT)
    • I would say Sylar did use this power in "Angels and Monsters." After saving Claire from the vortex he told her that when he touched her hand, he understood the pain he'd caused her. Assuming this was Bridget's power, that would confirm that it does work on people. It resulted in Claire's subjective experiences being thrust onto Sylar. - Only3Penguins
      • I thought it was when Sylar had Claire's head open that he was able to see her pain when looking into her head, as this would be the only time his victim has been alive whilst he was doing his thing --Omni314 07:53, 17 December 2008 (EST)
        • Out of interest, when did this ability work on non-inanimate objects? Sylar's describes feeling Claire's pain when he touched her, but why did Bridget never report any such sensation regarding sentient individuals, despite having many, many, many months of exploration, and describing in detail any new developments she encountered? Am I missing something, or am I being a fusspot? --AmbroBaby 19:17, 21 January 2009 (EST)

Naming

This ability would more accurately be referred to Psychometry, regardless of what was said on the show. --Dumpster juice 19:35, 16 November 2008 (EST)

We use what has been said on the show, regardless of what it would be more accurately be referred to. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 19:28, 16 November 2008 (EST)
  • Understood, I just wanted to point out that the people writing the show don't always use accurate terms. --Dumpster juice 19:35, 16 November 2008 (EST)
I understand that as well. Unfortunately, the naming convention here takes precedence over all... Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 19:38, 16 November 2008 (EST)
Yeah, otherwise Puppet master and Telescopic vision would be redirects at the most. Intuitive Empath 09:20, 17 November 2008 (EST)

Selected Examples

Dates? Really? Why do people do that? can we get some episode titles or numbers?

  • Because this ability never appeared in an episode. Why do you think that the picture for this ability is just a plaque? And, anonymous poster, please sign your comments.--Referos 12:36, 14 December 2008 (EST)
    • Actually, it appeared exactly one time--when Sylar touched Claire's hand during Angels and Monsters. I'll update it now. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 14:30, 14 December 2008 (EST)
      • Did a writer confirm that? This seems a bit speculative, there were no special effects in the scene. I think he was just being empathetic, not using clairsentience.--Referos 15:42, 14 December 2008 (EST)
        • Sylar himself said he felt her pain when he touched her hand. --Ricard Desi 08:31, 17 December 2008 (EST)
          • Yeah, but he didn't say it was because of clairsentience. And considering what the show's like, I find it hard to beleive they wouldn't make it a bit more obvious if that was the case.--BardinessBoy 08:34, 17 December 2008 (EST)
            • Besides, clairsentience doesn't allow the user to feel things, it allows him or her to see things.--Referos 16:59, 20 December 2008 (EST)
              • Actually, it can, it's just not the main thing. Here's the email Bridget first felt something for reference. --BardinessBoy 22:15, 20 December 2008 (EST)
          • Actually, he never said he "saw" it, all he said is he "could feel" it.
  • To clarify this, heres a vid... [1](I know, I'm a time waster, but its 5:00 in the morning here and I can't sleep, and our Xmas party juz ended XD)

--NiveKJ13 (talk2me) 01:23, 25 December 2008 (EST)

In Tonight's (Monday, March 2nd, 2009) Episode "Chapter Five: Exposed" Sylar utilized clairsentience to "remember" the time when his father sold him to his adoptive parents when he happened upon a deserted diner "Big Jim's Franks & Fries". The experience also revealed that Sylar's real father killed his real mother right after the exchange. It also provided a historical clue as to where Sylar learned the "slicing the head open" behavior.

While possible, we don't actually know that, Sylar started remembering stuff when he saw the diner, before he actually touched anything. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 16:57, 3 March 2009 (EST)

Image

When was it agreed to change the main image to one where the use of the ability is disputable? Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 15:58, 14 January 2009 (EST)

  • I don't think it ever was...but we don't have any other image of the power in use. The picture of the Charles Lamb plaque is a real-world picture that doesn't show the power at all. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:44, 14 January 2009 (EST)
    • Yeah, the only reason we used the picture of Charles Lamb statue originally, was there was nothing visually being released related to Bridget, and it was at least something that within the story she had used Clairsentience on. Maybe when the guys get CBR back rolling again after the haitus, someone will bring up the question regarding Sylar's use of her ability; and we'll can get that answer. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 01/14/2009 16:52 (EST)
      • Sylar says outright that when he touched her hand, he could see the pain he'd caused her. That's the only time they physically touched after he gained clairsentience. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 19:46, 14 January 2009 (EST)
        • But that doesn't mean he used it, there's no confirmation of that, either in the show or from the writers. Me and Thrashmeister have given our opinions at Image talk:Powers Sylar Claire-sentience.jpg, and so far there wasn't a single argument agaisnt us, either people don't have it or don't know there was a discussion on the matter there. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 11:26, 29 January 2009 (EST)
          • @Ricard Desi - You guys keep saying Sylar "saw/ see" Claire's pain. He NEVER said saw/ see, he said he can feel the pain. I already provided a video above. --NiveKJ13 (talk2me) 14:37, 29 January 2009 (EST)
          • I don't really have an opinion one way or another about whether the incident was Sylar using clairsentience. But I'll say that the image of him touching Claire's hand is a heck of a lot better than the image of a statue. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:52, 29 January 2009 (EST)
            • I agree. I know the statue has links with Clairsentience but I think the picture of the hands touching shows the ability better. How else did Sylar "see" Claire's pain? --laughingdevilboy 17:13, 29 January 2009 (EST)
                • How many times do I have to say this. Sylar DID NOT SEE Claire's pains, he said He can FEEL it.
                • So, NOT SEE ---->>> FEEL--NiveKJ13 (talk2me) 21:40, 29 January 2009 (EST)
                  • Sorry my mistake, I looked at the wrong post. --laughingdevilboy 02:56, 30 January 2009 (EST)
              • It doesn't take a genius to figure out that Claire wasn't happy with him being there, and Sylar is smart enough to connect the dots and notice he caused a lot of pain to her. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 17:18, 29 January 2009 (EST)
  • I think ultimately, there are two questions--and two discussions--going on here. One is whether or not Sylar used clairsentience to feel the pain of Claire's history. The other is what image we should use as the lead for this page. I don't think we know the answer to the first--I'm prone to think that it was an example of Sylar using the newly gained ability took from Bridget two episodes prior...but that's unconfirmed, so I won't be making any declarations about it yet. As for the image, I don't think there's much value of one over the other. Assuming Sylar didn't use clairsentience when he touched Claire's hand, then a picture of a statue would represent this power about as well as a picture of Sylar's touching Claire's hand. Assuming Sylar did use clairsentience, obviously that image would be the better choice. Since we don't know, and since it's unconfirmed whether or not the image shows an example of the power, neither image is really "better" than the other. That being the case, I'd rather go with the only image that might be an example--the one that at least shows how Sylar would access the power. But that's just my opinion, after trying to delicately walk the line drawn by an unconfirmed ability example. :) (When the heck does BTE start up again!?) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:25, 29 January 2009 (EST)
  • Confirmed. Thanks, Joe and Aron! -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 19:31, 17 February 2009 (EST)

Perhaps tonight's (Monday, March 2nd, 2009) Episode "Chapter Five: Exposed" finally provides us with a suitable image to use?

Anyone up for an image of Sylar with Noah's jacket? Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 14:56, 21 April 2009 (EDT)

Add some picture...!

I think the scene in Shades of Gray episode that shows Sylar can remember clearly about the way his father left him in the bar and killed his mother is one kind of clairsentience. Why? Because he could remember all those incidents after touching his old car toy. So, I conclude that the scene when Sylar could remember all his memory in that old bar after touching his old car toy is an implementation of clairsentience.

Just add some pictures about the scene above on this page!

The writers were pushing for clairsentience to be used, but they confirmed that it wasn't. It was just a flashback. -Sincerely, Thrashmeister » talk- 16:13, 18 March 2009 (EDT)

Micah

Didn't Sylar get Micah's history off of his cellphone in I Am Sylar? Shouldn't there be a note for that. --Crazyaspie 12:02, 21 April 2009 (EDT)

iStory examples

Was there any other example from the iStory other than the old files? It should go on the page. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 14:57, 21 April 2009 (EDT)

Possible example

I think it's just a flashback, but does anyone else think that when Sylar touched the scissors and his mother's sweater that he was using this ability? Like I said, I think it's just a flashback, maybe someone can send that into BTE to see if it was this power.--Bob (talk) 01:24, 26 April 2009 (EDT)

  • Maybe, but he remembers what happened, there would be no need for him to do it. Maybe he touched it for the DNA, but he had already touched the sweater. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 19:28, 26 April 2009 (EDT)
    • Now we have on-screen proof of the power being used (Nathan's possessions in the DC office), can we at last get rid of that pic of Claire's hand being held? Pretty please?? :D --AmbroBaby 18:57, 27 April 2009 (EDT)
      • Sylar touching either Claire's necklace or Nathan's cufflinks.--Skullman1392 23:51, 27 April 2009 (EDT)

MEMORIES

In An Invisible Thread, Sylar confirmed he can take memories by touching a person. But he needed Nathan awake in order to do this. --Crazyaspie 23:47, 27 April 2009 (EDT)

Where is the information stored?

Sorry, but for me this is the only power that makes absolutely no sense, even in the Heroes universe context. Molly's power works because the information on location is stored in the person's mind. So clairvoyance can be seen as a very specialized form of telepathy.

But this power makes no sense. Where on an object is the information of it's history stored? Magic-land? -Barbedknives (talk)13:34, 29 April 2009 (EDT)

The most logical explanation for me is that everytime someone touches something, they leave some sort of mental print on the object, which the ability is able to detect. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 15:43, 29 April 2009 (EDT)

It's an ability from Volume Three, isn't it? That volume was full of absurd. -- Altes 02:28, 8 May 2009 (EDT)

Actually, the ability was introduced in a BBC Heroes program, it just made its way into the show. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 11:56, 8 May 2009 (EDT)

Rename to Psychometry?

  • For the first time in the show, the ability has been directly named. Peter describes it as Psychometry, but the BBC website called it Clairsentience. Should we change the name or leave it as is? Oh boy, here we go again. --Piemanmoo 00:21, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
    • I'm kind of iffy on this one Clairsentience seems to include anything with touching, Psychometry seems to include only objects. Can "Sylar" use this ability on a human or only on objects? But then again Peter did go out and say it, And according to Dictionary.com Clairsentience isn't a real "official" word while Psychometry is. --Dman dustin 00:38, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
      • Sylar can use it on humans, he used it to get some of Nathan's memories... --Skullman1392 01:03, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
        • You are incorrect, Sylar used Nathan his cufflinks to retrieve the memories. -- Futurepeter ( U - T - C) 16:02, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
          • Sylar also acquired some of Nathan's memories by touching him, and learned who Liam was when he touched him. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 20:25, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
            • Yeah you're right, i totally forgot about that. -- Futurepeter ( U - T - C) 04:18, 7 October 2009 (EDT)
              • I think we should definitely keep it as "clairsentience". Not only does the name come from The Genesis Files, but Chandra specifically named the ability "clairsentience" in Activating Evolution, and Bridget identified her own ability as clairsentience. The power has been very explicitly named "clairsentience" by both in-show experts and people who have the ability. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 02:42, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
                • Then why did they name it in the show like in that particular way?? -- Futurepeter ( U - T - C) 16:05, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
                  • For the same reason they've given several names to Matt Jr.'s ability, Claire's ability, and the abilities of many other characters. Some abilities can be known by more than one name. And sometimes, they connect the supernatural abilities to real-world phenomena. Monica's is a classic example--first Micah talked about what she can do as being a "muscle mimic". Then Mohinder explicitly named the ability "adoptive muscle memory". Abilities are not only known by one name. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:41, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
                    • Then why don't we just add "also referred to as Psychometry", then everyone's happy. --Powermimic 00:48, 7 October 2009 (EDT)
                      • Well, I don't know if that will make everyone happy, but I think it's a great idea! :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:53, 7 October 2009 (EDT)
  • Is it just me, or did it seem like maybe the writers were both giving a nod to and trying to rile up the wiki contributors and the crazy naming situations we get into? Just in the way Peter said it, laying out an explanation then specifically throwing out a direct name which contradicts the show's established name? I laughed a little when I saw the seen and remembered the Matt Parkman Jr. debackle. NBC knows about Heroes Wiki, so I just thought I'd throw that out there. -Barbedknives (talk)03:38, 7 October 2009 (EDT)
    • I somewhat doubt that NBC is changing the dialouge of their TV show specifically to mess with a few nerds on the internet.--Piemanmoo 04:39, 7 October 2009 (EDT)
      • Of course it isn't. As far as we know, Peter never met Bridget and she never told him what her ability was. So it's quite logical for him to give a different name. Green.gif AltesUTC CH
        • Did Bridget named her abilty in one of the eps or was it in the graphic novel?? -- Futurepeter ( U - T - C) 15:19, 7 October 2009 (EDT)
          • Neither. She explicitly identifies it as "clairsentience" a few times in Bridget's messages to Mohinder and Chandra. Mohinder confirms this to be the name of her ability. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 19:20, 7 October 2009 (EDT)
            • I think it's pretty obvious that the show's use of "psychometry" outdoes Heroes Evolutions (you're really fighting for Heroes Evolutions material to mean more than the show?). Heroes Evolutions is not more canon than the show. This needs to be switched. Not to mention the fact that Psychometry is the actual accurate term. NileQT87 04:32, 17 October 2009 (EDT)
              • I'm not necessarily fighting for Heroes Evolutions to mean more than the show. Heroes Evolutions is a near-canon source, and the episodes are a canon source. However, I do believe that explicitly named abilities should be considered above names that are guessed, used in an offhand comment, or given by people who are not "experts" on the show. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 13:58, 17 October 2009 (EDT)

Haitian Memory Erasure

It says in the article that "Nathan" used this ability to see a memory that the Haitian erased from the real Nathan. I though that Angela just made that up. Did I miss something?--ERROR 20:15, 7 October 2009 (EDT)

  • Nathan saw Kelly die. According to Angela, the Haitian erased that memory. Later, Sylar saw it. That's because the memory wasn't stored in Nathan's brain, but in the baseball hat and in the diving board. That's how Sylar saw the memory. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:23, 7 October 2009 (EDT)

And then Angela told Sylar that the Haitian erased his memory to explain why he doesn't remember it, but still keep him convinced that he's Nathan. Remember, Sylar clearly doesn't have all of Nathan's memories, so we can't tell which memories the real Nathan really had and didn't have. And so it's speculative to say that the real Nathan doesn't remember it--assuming he still remembers things in his current state. He likely does, but we don't know for sure.--ERROR 20:45, 7 October 2009 (EDT)

For me it's very clear that Angela was telling the true. Even if she's a manipulatice liar, it doesn't mean she lies all the time. Don't try to find a hidden meaning behind every little thing, there's no point in it. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 20:52, 7 October 2009 (EDT)

  • Yeah, nowhere does it say that Angela was making that up. I think that's you reading into something that may not be there, ERROR. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:05, 7 October 2009 (EDT)

Besides, if "Nathan" really is Nathan, as I now believe, then he would remember that.--ERROR 17:53, 11 October 2009 (EDT)

Wait a minute, why didn't Sular remember Kelly's death? The Haitian toyed with Nathan's head, but Sylar took Nathan's memories from the things he touched. Did the Haitian wipe their memories too, or is it a limit of clairsentience - you can only see memories on an object its possessor has? Green.gif AltesUTC CH

  • The Haitian can manipulate only people's minds, Sylar picked up a memory from an object, something I doubt the Haitian can remove memories from. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 14:15, 17 October 2009 (EDT)
    • Exactly. And Sylar took most of Nathan's memories from his cufflinks. Green.gif AltesUTC CH
      • Nathan wasn't wearing the cufflinks when Kelly died, so that memory wasn't "stored" in the cufflinks. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 14:53, 17 October 2009 (EDT)

New Image?

  • In the Graphic Novel Yang & Yang, Sylar used this ability and you could actually see a black and white image of this ability at work. Should we use that image instead of the one with Claire's necklace, since it actually shows what the ability is? --Isaac Mendez 09:32, 21 November 2009 (EST)
    • If it appeared in an episode, then we don't use gn or evolutions images. We use the images from the episodes.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 09:39, 21 November 2009 (EST)
      • But the one from the episode sucks. It doesn't show what's going on, just a hand holding a necklace.--Isaac Mendez 13:35, 10 January 2010 (EST)