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This is definitely premature. We should probably wait until the character premieres. At the very least, we should put it in the spoilers category and not the character category for now. All information on other character pages has already been confirmed on-screen.--Hardvice (talk) 00:37, 30 November 2006 (EST)

  • Fair enough. Figured since this was with TV Guide it will be pretty widely desemenated quickly... Not sure how to remove a page and/or hide it until the appropriate time.
    • We'll just assign it to the spoilers category. That'll keep him out of the character lists until we change it. Good job with the article, though.--Hardvice (talk) 00:41, 30 November 2006 (EST)

Seeing how Claude is surprised to meet another person who can see him (his first meeting with Peter) takes me back to an idea I had after the second episode: that the parents of our heroes were subjected to an experiment of some kind that triggered the original genetic anomoly that gives them the abilities and then that anomoly gets carried down when they reproduce - making our curent heroes 2nd Generation, and Micah 3rd Generation.Yoshie (talk) 10:30, 29 December 2006 (EST)

Invisibility - hooray!

How cool is invisibility! Really looking forward to this after the break! - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:51, 30 November 2006 (EST)

  • How cool is Christopher Eccleston? I'm not even much of a Dr. Who fan, but he's definitely an awesome catch for the show!--Hardvice (talk) 00:53, 30 November 2006 (EST)
    • Agree... I mean I, like, had nothing to look forward to before, but now ... hehehe ... - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 01:00, 30 November 2006 (EST)
  • He's an invisible man, what do you mean the article needs pictures?  :) --Orne 17:15, 6 December 2006 (EST)

Claude on Characternav

  • So what is he? From the way the producers are talking, I'm guessing he's a Supporting Character.--Hardvice (talk) 02:42, 23 January 2007 (EST)

Claude's Power

  • Going by the listed powers in Surresh's files, Claude's power should not be labled as invisibility, but "dynamic camouflage". - Anomy 01:02, 30 January 2007 (EST)
    • Gotta say, I like it! --Fcphantom 01:01, 30 January 2007 (EST)
    • We have no idea if that refers to the same power or not. It probably does, but at this point it's just speculation.--Hardvice (talk) 01:37, 30 January 2007 (EST)
      • Agree, I'm not sure dynamic camouflage and invisibility are the same thing. Kind of like precognition and clairvoyance are different. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 06:59, 30 January 2007 (EST)
      • Agreed. Dynamic camouflage could be something entirely different, like a human chameleon. For example, someone could hide by standing against a wall and change his or her appearance to blend in. --ZyberGoat 18:15, 31 January 2007 (EST)
    • Invisibility is the power listed on the assignment tracker... --Max16:22, 11 December 2008 (EST)

Claude Rains

Everyone knows this is an alias, right?--Hardvice (talk) 01:37, 30 January 2007 (EST)

I agree. It seems during the episode that he is not referring to himself but to Claude Raines, who played the Invisible Man on film. Perhaps we should revert back to Claude until we are absolutely sure of his last name. Disney42 01:39, 30 January 2007 (EST)
Is it? I figured either "Claude" took on the name in homage to the original actor... OR it's a joke by the writers and his name really IS Claude Rains. Have they said for certain yet? We do know his name is "Claude" or at least the writers are calling him that, so it's possible that his name is actually Claude Rains... or that he's using that as an alias. I think, like Eden McCain, we call him Claude Rains until we're given a different name. Though if we want to revert back to just Claude there's no harm in doing so of course. (Admin 01:42, 30 January 2007 (EST))
I don't think we need to revert back ... he's definitely calling himself that. But the interview with Chris Eccleston (and his performance of the line) seem to indicate that he was being sarcastic in calling himself "Claude Rains".--Hardvice (talk) 01:52, 30 January 2007 (EST)
Christopher Eccleston? Sarcastic? But he was never sarcastic as Dr. Who! Oh...wait... "Would you mind not farting while I'm trying to save the world?" (Admin 01:55, 30 January 2007 (EST))
In an interview (I'm not going to locate it now, but it may have been the latest CBR interview - oh, and definitely an EW article) they said they named him in homage of Claude Rains. I say keep it. Real or not, he's going by it. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 06:59, 30 January 2007 (EST)

Rains isn't his last name HeroSite.net: Interview with Christopher Eccelston:

HS: Do you know if the writers intended any significance to the name "Claude," because of the name of the first actor to play an invisible man?

CE: The first time I appear as Claude, I make a joke about that, so it is a homage, I think, to Claude Raines.

HS: Does Claude have a last name?

CE: I don't know, no.

I wouldn't say it's an alias. More like sarcasm. - Jasonbres 21:20, 31 August 2008 (EDT)

15 Years?

Has Claude had his powers for fifteen years, or has he had his powers for at least fifteen years? (Meaning that he was invisible for fifteen, but really had the powers for longer than that period of time.) Kail Ceannai 00:53, 20 February 2007 (EST)

Someone Tell Bennet

If Claude Raines isn't the character's real name, someone needs to tell Mister Bennet, cuz he did refer to Claude by his first alleged name. In the episode Unexpected, he said to the Haitian, "Claude can wait. We're heading home." So that means he was going by Claude back when Bennet knew him - fifteen years ago. If nothing more than as a nickname. -- ZachsMind 02:09, 20 February 2007 (EST)

Claude knew what he was getting involved in

  • In Unexpected, after Peter escapes from Bennet and the Haitian and brings Claude to his apartment, Claude was angry at Peter because he inadvertently led the Company to them. But now we have seen Company Man, and we know that Claude used to be friends with Mr. Bennet and knew who Claire was. Going back to Unexpected, when Peter used telekinesis to shatter the pole Claude was beating him with, Claude asked him who he knew had that ability. Peter, when referring to Sylar, specifically said, "that guy who was chasing Claire in Texas. Claude himself knew a Claire from Texas who had an ability (though at the time of Company Man's flashbacks, she hadn't manifested one yet). Shouldn't Claude have known what he was getting involved in after realizing that Peter encountered Claire (which in turn would most likely have meant that he encountered Bennet as well, which happened in Fallout)? FlyingMan 14:14, 2 March 2007 (EST)
    • Good points, but there's a lot of speculation there. For instance, Claire's name is never mentioned in the 1992 flashbacks; in Hell's Angel, Mr. Bennet calls the baby "Claire", but it's kind of to himself. In other words, maybe her name wasn't Claire until later. But even if Claude knew Claire's name, it's been 15 years. In 2022, if someone says something like, "Oh, my friend Ryan from Pennsylvania," you wouldn't necessarily automaticaly think of me. And even if Claude did think of Claire, Bennet was supposed to give her up to the Company, so Claude wouldn't've necessarily assumed that Peter met Mr. Bennet.... Good thinking though! — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 14:31, 2 March 2007 (EST)
  • Actually in the flashback on The Bridge, when Bennet was asking him who he was hiding Claude said "what if it was Claire?". But anyway, I understand what you mean. I guess it's possible he might've assumed Peter was referring to someone else. FlyingMan 14:35, 2 March 2007 (EST)

Claude's name

As far as we know, Claude Rains is his name. Of course, it is a reference to The Invisible Man, but assuming that it's not his name is speculation. We don't know if it's Claude who adopts the name in honor of the actor, or if it's the writers of the show who are paying homage. It might be an alias, but we don't know that for sure. We know he's been using the name (whether it's his birth name or not) for at least 15 years. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 11:16, 8 March 2007 (EST)

How do you know its his name? It would be stupid to give him that last name since most adults who know what it was and think it silly. They've only called him just "Claude" on the show. IceHunter 21:40, 15 May 2007 (EDT)


"Look -- I saw you. I saw you in my dream. Who are you?"

"Me? I'm no one. I'm the Invisible Man. I'm Claude Rains. Now get away from me. Forget you ever saw me."

- Peter, Claude (The Fix)

There ya go.--Ice Vision 21:46, 15 May 2007 (EDT)

  • That's not necessarily him stating his name though. They mention other things in the show that apply to real life, like comics and movies, why not tv shows and actors? Maybe our "Claude", when he manifested, had nothing else to refer to but the tv show, The Invisible Man, where the invisible man himself was portrayed by Claude Rains?

Think of it this way. If someone bumped into you and you didn't want them to 'cause you were hiding, you could say something like "I'm Superman, I'm Clark Kent." or if you want to get more technical, "I'm Superman, I'm Christopher Reeve."

I mean, I know it'd definatley a nod from the writers, but if you want to get argue into the story behind it and if it is his real name or not, you gotta think of it from all directions :P

Other than that, I just felt like typing alot.--Riddler 21:55, 15 May 2007 (EDT)

  • It's a nod to the original film from the writers. Whether it's the guys last name or whether he adopted it also as a nod to the movie is unknown. Until something else is revealed, we go with what he says: "I'm Claude Rains." — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:28, 15 May 2007 (EDT)
    • Another perspective: other characters are named for real people. Monty and Simon Petrelli are named for Jesse Alexander's sons--does that mean that's not their real names? It's been hinted that Ted was named for Ted Kaczynski, yet we're not disputing his name. Heck, we've even got articles for people like Eden and Sylar who only go by their assumed names. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:33, 15 May 2007 (EDT)
      • Hey, Nightclub, think of it this way. Someone finds you, you don't want them to find you, they ask who you are, you're gonna shout out, "I'm noone. I'm RyanGibsonStewart. Forget you saw me." Doesn't that seem kinda contradictory? Now that I think of it, I think it WAS meant to be a way to emphasize that he wasn't supposed to see him. =P

        - To your second point, that's a bad reference. They're named for someone, and the real person is never mentioned in the show aside from credits. Claude calls himself Claude when trying to explain to Peter that he wasn't supposed to see him. ;) --Riddler 22:37, 15 May 2007 (EDT)

        • Well, Claude does have invisibility, so he can easily "do what he always does -- disappear." He doesn't worry about his identity being spoiled because he's "The Invisible Man." About Ted Kaczynski, according to Tim Kring, Ted is indeed named after him.--Ice Vision 22:47, 15 May 2007 (EDT)
        • That's a fine bit of speculating, Riddler. Though it's very possible (and probable) that Claude's name is not Claude, it's the name he's been using for 15+ years. The idea that his name is not Claude is dealt with in the notes where it should be. Until something else is revealed, we go with what he has said very plainly (even in jest): "I'm Claude Rains." — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:53, 15 May 2007 (EDT)
          • I'mma think of it as an alias for now. Even if he has used it for 15 years, it could still be an alias, based on a show he watched, and not his true name. In my opinion, it makes more sense. =P --Riddler 23:00, 15 May 2007 (EDT)
            • Right, I agree with you there. It probably is an alias. We just have to be careful about outright calling it an alias until we find out more from him. BTW, I like the nickname you created for me. :) — Nightclub (talk) 23:12, 15 May 2007 (EDT)
  • Hehe, :D--Riddler 23:34, 15 May 2007 (EDT)
  • As an observation: during the flashback sequence on the rooftop (when Kaito is about to put baby Claire under Bennett's care), you can barely hear Thompson address Claude by the name "Claude". Like others here, based on the manner in which he uses the name, I'm of the opinion it is not the character's real name, be it birth name or legally changed name, but a personal alias he's used since throughout his time working with the Company. However, this is the only name he is known by (in the current Eclipse story arc of this season), so debating what his real or birth name is is moot. --Glue 00:25, 16 May 2007 (EDT)
  • Just curious as to the spelling of his last name. Seen both Rains and Raines. Been watching the HD DVDs and the character connection features lists him as "Claude Raines."--Borg561 22:27, 14 January 2008 (EST)
    • He's named after Claude Rains, the actor who played the title role in The Invisible Man. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:29, 14 January 2008 (EST)
      • It's still possible they decided to spell it "Raines", though. Like the closed captioning I don't know how credible the character connection feature is, though. Do we have any references within Heroes to it being "Rains" where we can confirm? (Admin 22:35, 14 January 2008 (EST))
        • I don't see why they would make an admitted homage to an actor, and then change the name, but I suppose stranger things have happened. Anyway, I don't think there are any official spellings onscreen, or anything like that. His last name isn't used in any of the graphic novels, even in the introductory sections. There are very few writers/creators who write information about the show (as opposed to speak about it). The few I can think of are Greg Beeman (there's no mention of Claude's last name on Greg's blog, as far as I can tell) and Aron Coleite & Joe Pokaski (I searched every BTE and didn't find any instance of either of them writing Claude's last name). Joe Casey & Duncan Rouleau didn't write Claude's last name in Interview:Golden Handshake, either. I'm at a loss where else to turn. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:26, 14 January 2008 (EST)
          • Considering the work to change and the lack of clearly reliable sources my preference would be to leave it as is and if anything just add a note to the article about the discrepency between names. I already added a redirect just in case since it was spelled that way on the DVD feature. I could see the argument being made that the DVD feature is inherently closer to canon than a reference to a real life person, but I'm not personally in any rush to change it based on that reason. At the very least I wouldn't oppose it if someone felt that were a compelling reason to rename the article and any references and wished to perform the rename themselves. (Admin 23:33, 14 January 2008 (EST))
            • I'd want a little more back-up than just a DVD feature, but I agree that a redirect and note are appropriate. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 04:45, 15 January 2008 (EST)
            • Wasn't actually looking for a change to what's here. I was inputing the cast and crew info for the HD DVD into a database program I use (DVD Profiler) and was trying to find out if there was a confirmed spelling for the name. Believe I used Raines since that's what the HD DVD feature used, but I'm fine with leaving it as is here.

Petestrer

Uh, yeah, isn't that his assumed name when he's invisible? — RyanGibsonStewartstrer (talk) 23:59, 16 May 2007 (EDT)

"The Invisible Man" DVDs

In Godsend, Peter first meets Claude and there is a streetside vendor selling DVDs. The transcript here says that there were The Invisible Man DVDs in that scene. Could someone get a screencap of it? --Ice Vision 00:01, 17 May 2007 (EDT)

Trading cards as an offical source?

Ok, Topps has recently released a set of Heroes Trading Cards for Season 1, which showcase the various characters, episodes, and other cool events in the storyline of Season 1. I happened to pull Claude's card, and it has his name as "Claude Raines" on the trading card. I like the idea that was implemented awhile back as to the "spectrum of canon-ness" dealing w/ how to name abilities. Where do these trading cards rank? I looked at IMDb, and it has the character credited as just "Claude", so I dont know whereelse to turn to to verify if its Rains or Raines.--Pred 0212 01:29, 20 February 2008 (EST)

  • Check the discussion above for more information. About the trading card, I believe Topps prints the information, not NBC, so I would rank it pretty low. Did the artist write it? If so, who was the artist? I'm in pretty good contact with the artists, if we need to contact one of them. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 02:07, 20 February 2008 (EST)
    • Alright, thanks for the clarification Ryan. Id knew someone might yell at me because I was too lazy to read all the stuff up above haha. The only reason I wasnt sure is that i just recently saw the Topps trading cards popup at my local target store, so I wasnt sure if they were really debated here on heroeswiki that much.--Pred 0212

Claude's AT picture

[1] This appears to be a new shot of him... perhaps from a forthcoming volume three episode? Or am I just so eager to see him again that I'm jumping to conclusions, and this shot isn't actually new? :P Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 20:14, 30 October 2008 (EDT)

  • A set photo? -- Altes 10:09, 7 May 2009 (EDT)

WHAT THE @#%& ???

Has pediwikia gone insane? Look at who Claude was protecting! --Altes 08:32, 18 April 2009 (EDT)

Talk 11:17, 18 April 2009 (EDT)

  • No, it does not. What are you talking about, Altes? --BoomerDay 11:29, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
  • There was a phrase, I swear! It was saying that further episodes reveal Claude was protecting Meredith. Let me have a look again... -- Altes 14:07, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
  • Here. This was corrected after I noticed it. --Altes 14:08, 18 April 2009 (EDT)

Back?

He's listed as cast in An Invisible Thread. Was he in the room of bodies? Was he invisible somewhere? Anyone got any info on this?

  • I saw that in the spoilers, but I didn't see him in the episode. I think they wouldn't have put him in the background somewhere for people to spot. They would have made him a talking role. I was kind of mad at this.-- Catalyst · Talk · HL 17:50, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
  • IMDb claimed Claude would appear in An Invisible Thread, while the writers stated explicitly he wouldn't. IMDb is not to be trusted. -- Altes 10:08, 7 May 2009 (EDT)
    • I always though IMDB was on my side. They let me down.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 16:55, 7 May 2009 (EDT)

Claude

  • When Noah shot Claude do you guys think, he survived because of Abigail because she can block the bullets and make his fall stay because of her Ability.--Skyeatsout 15:54, 20 May 2009 (EDT)

Claude's Daughter?

Twice now in the graphic novels there have been subtle hints that Abigail is Claude's daughter. I personally believe she is. Does anyone else? -Vampirate68 18:06, 18 August 2009 (EDT)

  • How do you think she is his daughter?--Catalyst · Talk · HL 18:08, 18 August 2009 (EDT)
    • In one of the earlier chapters of Rebellion someone asks Abigail who Claude is. She sounds like she is about to say father when Claude cuts her off. In the newest chapter of Rebellion, Claude tell Abigail that she is just like her mother. While this doesn't prove that she is his daughter, I do feel that the writers are dropping subtle hints. -Vampirate68 18:12, 18 August 2009 (EDT)
      • That could just as easily be read that Claude is Abigail's uncle. Or a good family friend. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:13, 18 August 2009 (EDT)
        • It could be read as a lot of things, I just personally believe she is his daughter -Vampirate68 11:32, 20 August 2009 (EDT)
  • I don't think Abby is Claude's Daughter. Good friend at least but why would he leave her like that? He knew what she and the others would face after they left the train. And there's also the fact that in GN 22, Hell's Angel, Claude had no idea how to change a diaper. If he's a dad to a woman Abby's age, you'd think he would know how to do that at the very least!-- Tarot

Blackpool

Where is the evidence that his place of birth is Blackpool? --Toble 23:34, 6 December 2009 (EST)

Invisalign?

I saw 'Invisalign' on his page as his nickname, but where can i see the source of this?

Um Invisalign is ABBY's nickname, not Claude's. Please reread the graphic novels!!! Sparrow Calls Abigail this, NOT Claude. Tarot

Sylvia

I'm not crazy about listing her as a significant other. The way he refers to her ("I shagged a girl named Sylvia") doesn't make it sound like he had much of a connection with her.--PJDEP - Talk - Polls and Opinions 23:09, 13 April 2010 (EDT)

  • Peter also just "shagged" Simone, yet they're listed as former SO's. --Ricard Desi 00:09, 14 April 2010 (EDT)
    • Yeah, but we had some insight into their relationship. Peter took care of her dying father and Isaac felt immensely threatened by their relationship. I just feel like we don't have enough information about this "Sylvia" to categorize her as a significant other.--PJDEP - Talk - Polls and Opinions 00:18, 14 April 2010 (EDT)
      • Agreed. While I do think they may have been together at some point, it's best to wait a couple of weeks for the next part in hopes it makes it more clear. --OutbackZack 04:24, 14 April 2010 (EDT)
        • I doubt we'll get any more information on that. And I doubt it's her, or Claude would have recognised her. Besides, Claude seems the kind of guy to sleep with her then just disappear before the morning. --mc_hammark 06:11, 14 April 2010 (EDT)
          • Claude's Sylvia is definitely not Sylvia. And we probably won't get any more information on a person he mentioned. But they obviously hooked up, so I'm not sure what the issue is. That's just my opinion. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 08:02, 14 April 2010 (EDT)
            • Oh so Claude did have a Sylvia mentioned somewhere else besides the recent GN? If that's the case then I'm sure the GN (like the previous from the arch files) is tying up loose strings. --OutbackZack 15:47, 15 April 2010 (EDT)
              • It was mentioned in the latest novel. There were two Sylvias--one we saw and learned a lot about who has the ability of mass manipulation, one that was mentioned in contrast to the mass manipulator. Claude says, "This Mata Hari got a name?" Thompson says, "She went by Sylvia in Brazil." Claude says, "I shagged a bird named Sylvia once." Thompson asks, "In Brazil?" Claude says, "No." -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:32, 15 April 2010 (EDT)
                • I just don't think that sleeping together once is much of a relationship. But, as you said above, that's just my opinion.--PJDEP - Talk - Polls and Opinions 18:09, 15 April 2010 (EDT)
                    • I agree with PJDEP. It's possible Claude had a few other birds and I don't mean the pigeons. -- Tarot
  • @Intuitive Empath- Just because Claude says he slept with someone ONCE does not constitute a significant other. It just means, contrary to certain "shippers" wishes, Claude is straight. With Simone, Peter and her did more than just "shag." Mentioning a bird once does not constitute a significant other. -- Tarot
  • And if sleeping with someone once is the only qualification for calling someone a significant

other, then Casey Z. Smith, whom Hanna Gitelman slept with to steal his pass key, back when she was after the Lone Star Files, should be listed as a former significant other for her. Since this seems to be the case, I have added Casey Z. Smith to Hana's page. If a rule applies to one character it applies to all. Tarot 17:51, 9 August 2010 (EDT)

Claude's Age

Claude was born in 1964 he's 46 as of 2010. As Heroes is not on the air and we have no idea when we'll get another GN or even any on screen closure, shouldn't we move forward? -- Tarot

We're to document his age in-universe. Did the show ever reach 2010 in-universe? Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 12:41, 8 August 2010 (EDT)

They never really tell us the current year save in season 1. It's really hard to date things especially given that season 2 was so short. Tarot 19:16, 8 August 2010 (EDT)