Talk:Cloning

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The name is explicitly listed in Julien Dumont's assignment tracker profile.
The introduction to Revolutionary War, Part 2 says that Evan creates clones.
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I hate to bring this up again, but...

On Edgar's list seen in Let It Bleed, Eli is said to have the power to replicate. Now, Eli has been called a replicator multiple times in the show. With all the changes made to naming convention lately, I don't know if this is a good time to bring this up, but I think we should at least discuss it a little. -Vampirate68 | Talk | Contribs | 15:13, 6 January 2010 (EST)

  • I'd normally agree with you about this, but there are some issues. Julien has an assignment tracker noting his ability as Cloning, and we all know the assignment tracker is God. It was confirmed that Eli and Julien have the same ability, so I'm not sure whether it would be possible to change the name. I'm fine with either I suppose.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 15:23, 6 January 2010 (EST)
    • Same here, I don't care if we call it Replication or Cloning, but I just figured I'd bring it up since no one else had. -Vampirate68 | Talk | Contribs | 15:26, 6 January 2010 (EST)
      • It seems more like two different powers to me. I know that it probably won't happen, but I think that "Cloning" is what Julien has and that "Replication" is what Eli has. I know they are similar abilities, but there are also a lot of differences:
  1. Eli has to focus to keep his clones "alive" (the clones disappeared when he was rendered unconscious) while Julien's clones' existence isn't linked to Julien's level of consciousness.
  2. Eli can create clones in his immediate vicinity (exact limits still unknown) while Julien's clones emerge from his body.
  3. The clones that appear are completely different: Julien's are organic and independent of his mind (mostly, they even exhibit different personality traits and have independent thought). Eli's, on the other hand, seem to be linked to his mind and are like extensions of it. They are able to relay information back to Eli and carry out Eli's will without the need for verbal communication. Eli's clones are also just "shells" without blood or bone.
  4. A strong point for the name difference of the two is that when Eli "replicates" himself, he can also "replicate" objects (like a gun). Julien's clones are more like actual clones and he only clones of himself, so his ability should be "Cloning".

There are probably a few more examples, but I think there is enough that the two should be separate abilities. Again, this is just what I think. Tell me what you think. --Bender 22:47, 6 January 2010 (EST)

  • I actually suggested this last month, I had more or less the same ideas you had. However, even though most of the community thought we should seperate them into two seperate abilities, we were given a statement by Howie Kaplan who wrote the first series of graphic novels where Eli was introduced. Basically, he said that although there were differences, they were ultimately the same power. We can't really argue with that.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 23:34, 6 January 2010 (EST)
  • I was among those pushing to separate the abilities, but the writers confirmed that they are the same. Additionally, the AT is a better source for information than Edgar (who writes "Fire-Breathing Family: breathes fire"). --Ricard Desi (t,c) 14:17, 7 January 2010 (EST)