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New Replicator

The guy in graphic novel 88 seems to be able to do it as well...my net connection is hella slow so I'll have to let someone else go back and track down his name.--ASEO 14:32, 3 June 2008 (EDT)

  • Yeah, though it could also be cloning, Connie disguising several people as the same person, identical septuplets, a cult of people who had plastic surgery to look alike, or a number of other scenarios.--MiamiVolts (talk) 15:46, 3 June 2008 (EDT)
    • Could be, but those scenarios seem less likely. The show seems to favor the straightforward, and those are a little less that straight forward. At any rate, what say we put Julien in here as a suspected replicator? --SacValleyDweller (talk) 15:57, 3 June 2008 (EDT)
      • We can't put Julien as a suspected replicator since it hasn't been confirmed that those are his duplicates. It does make for a good and likely theory, though. So a theory page for Julien is a very good idea, imho.--MiamiVolts (talk) 17:38, 3 June 2008 (EDT)
        • Yeah, I didn't read it and think that Julien had this power. I thought that he had the power to sense something or other (maybe like Molly's clairvoyance?) and that somebody else had the power to replicate. Difference is (in my mind) that Evan could replicate himself, this other person could replicate others. Bottom line, there's definitely a power going on here, we just don't know whose it is, or the specifics of it. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:45, 4 June 2008 (EDT)
        • Indeed. I had thought of clairvoyance as a possibility for Julien's ability too. See Theory:Julien Dumont for the related arguments.--MiamiVolts (talk) 22:07, 4 June 2008 (EDT)

Duplicates

  • With Evan's replication his replicants were able to also replicate, right? We don't have any proof that the same is true for Julien's replicants, right? (Admin 01:03, 10 June 2008 (EDT))
    • Correct and correct. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 01:26, 10 June 2008 (EDT)
      • Right. If it wasn't clear, Ollie Grigsby confirmed on 9thWonders that Evan's duplicates could replicate, but said he would not discuss Julien's ability at the time.--MiamiVolts (talk) 01:43, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

Vegetative...

Gael Cruz mentioned "[Julien] can vegetatively replicate himself.", so the most descriptive name with the least amount of speculation is "Vegetative replicate." This makes Evan's ability and Julien's ability different. Take a look at this panel of Evan duplicating himself - his replicate came directly out of his body. Julien, however, replicate by "growing" other replicate like a plant does and he must connect to his duplicate by what seems to be branches. Conclusion: Julien's ability is not Evan's, s0 we need a new article for Julien's ability. Chrisyu357 05:41, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

Let's wait until the assingment tracker for Julien comes up, then we'll worry about new articles. --Piemanmoo 06:08, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

Cloning vs. Replication vs. Duplication

Any of these names can be used interchangeably, as all three have appeared in the Heroes world. Revolutionary War, Part 2 and Julien's assignment tracker profile say things like "replicants", "clones", and "duplicates". Since we have to choose one name for the article title, we choose "Cloning" since that's what it explicitly says in the AT2.0 profile. But there's no reason to necessarily prefer one name over the other. In other words, Hartsdale duplicate is just a valid as Hartsdale clone. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:37, 11 June 2008 (EDT)

  • As long as we preserve that Evan's and Julien's abilities are different, then I'm fine with using the same name (cloning). However, although it is technically correct to say you can clone inorganic items, such as weapons or clothing like Evan could, it is not common usage so I could agree with a split as well. I don't really have a preference for splitting over keeping the same name, or vice versa; but if we do split, I think the name for Evan's ability should be "replication".--MiamiVolts (talk) 23:12, 11 June 2008 (EDT)
    • The products from Evan using his power were called "clones". However, I plan to ask Ollie Grigsby specifically about the power (though holy cow, that assignment tracker gave us a ton of information!) since he wrote Revolutionary War and Root and Branch. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:28, 11 June 2008 (EDT)
      • On the more meta-level, I wanted to say that as a whole the writers have been very generous in accomodating us when it comes to helping to explicitly document and name these abilities. Sometimes the info comes out through the assignment tracker, sometimes through Ryan's excellent interviews, but whenever they seem to be able to provide us information that is helpful they do. I'm very impressed with the degree to which the staff of Heroes is responsive to the fans of the show. (Admin 23:37, 11 June 2008 (EDT))
        • Yeah, their responsiveness is very good. I was very impressed with the detail and it was a nice touch on all the omitted "classified" information.--MiamiVolts (talk) 23:47, 11 June 2008 (EDT)
          • You know, they're all just a bunch of nerds like we are. That's why their details are so intense, and that's why Heroes rocks. That's meta. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:00, 12 June 2008 (EDT)

If Dumont's control is at 90%, then is Evan at 100? Because Evan just...cloned. Dumont had to spend (what look like) weeks to incubate his. Therequiembellishere 03:48, 13 June 2008 (EDT)

  • It's hard to say. We really don't know what "control index" means since it's a concept that has never been referred to anywhere outside the assignment tracker pages. I would assume it something to do with how much control Julien has over the power, but it could mean a number of other things. Even still, the amount of time it takes for a clone to mature really might not have much to do with the control index. Perhaps Evan just spontaneously cloned and had no control over how many replicants he made, whereas Julien can decide how many clones to make, etc. Julien's assignment tracker profile also hints that there's a connection between the root and the branches, so perhaps Julien has some control over what his clones do (despite some going rogue).

    In the end, it's a lot of fun speculation. We really don't know what the number means, what exactly is being controlled, and how Julien's control index compares to Evan's power, which is subtly different than Julien's power. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 11:16, 13 June 2008 (EDT)

    • It might just be me but I don't think we're supposed to look into things like the control index too much, personally I think they're just there as a nice extra for the assignment page, or maybe for rough comparisons between similar evolved humans, like Peter and Sylar. -- Friskymuffin - (talk) 11:40, 13 June 2008 (EDT)

Clothes

"The clones Sabine finds surrounding Julien do not appear to be clothed." They sure look like they're wearing pants to me--the same pants the root is wearing, mind you! :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:22, 12 June 2008 (EDT)

  • Oops, I just reworded that. I also took out the part saying "oneself", since we don't know whether or not Julien can clone his clothing. Besides which, Evan can clone other items besides his clothing so we should not be too restrictive.--MiamiVolts (talk) 00:26, 12 June 2008 (EDT)

Multiplicity

I suggest the name Multiplicity. On an interveiw I heard Kristen Bell use that word to describe cloning. --Tsmarg

Contradictory Near Cannon Sources

In the recent GN it was said that Julien could replicate, with Adam saying the same about Evan and cloning used only once in Julien's assignment tracker, does this mean this should be renamed to Replication? or does the company files trump GN's? If so this may mean that naming conventions need to be updated to include assignment trackers or would it simply be fine to make a not of this on the cloning page that this ability is referred to as replication? --posted by Laughingdevilboy Talk 10:31, 16 June 2009 (EDT)

  • well if both of these sources are correct than we should vote on which one. --Tsmarg