Talk:Crumpling

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Source/Explanation
Marcus uses the word "crumple" in Normal Lives.

Quotation marks?

Like for bliss and horror, perhaps this page should be surrounded with quotation marks, because "crumpling" is the official name, but it isn't a very adequate description. -- LightSpectra 22:00, 25 December 2007 (EST)

  • Actually, it is an adequate description. Crumpling is exactly what Marcus does. He crumples objects. --Ice Vision (talk) 22:11, 25 December 2007 (EST)
    • He turned people inside out. What you would expect from "crumpling" is that they'd be smooshed, not inverted. -- LightSpectra 22:23, 25 December 2007 (EST)
    • He doesn't 'crumple' objects. That verb implies haphazard, random deformities. With this ability, Marcus could tie a titanium rod into a bow. This should be called plasticity alteration, because that is exactly what he does.
      • Correct me if I'm wrong, but those corpses don't look like they've been "turned inside out". The police officer was probably wrong or was just using a figure of speech. The bodies look like they have been literally crumpled, crushed, and dehydrated. Here's a definition of "crumple" from dictionary.com:

–verb (used with object)

  1. to press or crush into irregular folds or into a compact mass; bend out of shape; rumple; wrinkle.
  2. to cause to collapse or give way suddenly: That right hook to the midsection crumpled him.

–verb (used without object)

  1. to contract into wrinkles; shrink; shrivel.
  2. to give way suddenly; collapse: The bridge crumpled under the weight of the heavy trucks.

It actually fits the power quite well. --Ice Vision (talk) 22:30, 25 December 2007 (EST)

  • I agree, I think "crumpling" is a very adequate term to describe what Marcus does, and does not require scare quotes. When the Arizona officer says that "something turned them inside out", I personally read that as a figurative term, not a literal description of the corpses, especially in light of the images Micah Gunnell drew. Kinda like when somebody says they "opened a can of whoopass", nobody is actually getting out a can opener. :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 09:52, 26 December 2007 (EST)
  • Dying and being killed have the same basic meanings. However, if you said that your uncle was killed, most people instinctively assume that foul play was involved. Likewise, 'crumpling' implies that he can only make objects more rumpled and twisted. If he wanted to, he could straighten out a crowbar, or even fix a deformed limb. His power allows him to alter the plasticity of objects and people by touching them. -D and D 123
  • This ability should be called plasticity alteration. It's a more accurate description. Crumpling sounds like something you would use to bend spoons. -D and D 123
    • It was the name given for the ability. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 17:06, 9 November 2009 (EST)
      • This is a wiki, not a dictatorship. If a given name makes no sense, then we should be allowed to change it. Rage against the establishment, IE! Woohoo! -D and D 123
        • I was against naming Donna's ability telescopic vision, because it doesn't describe all she can do, but the name stayed like that anyway. I go according to what the community in general decides, it's not a dictatorship, it's upholding what the community decided, and I would rather live in a dictatorship that works for most than risk having it become an anarchy to accomodate the wishes of very few, no offense. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 09:50, 13 November 2009 (EST)
        • Touche. Well done. -D and d 123

Power names template

I just added the power names template. Since the name comes from a GN and not an episode, it's near-canon and not canon. If it turns out Marcus is one of the villains in volume 3, we could end up renaming this ability but until then I think this name will stick.--MiamiVolts (talk) 00:13, 26 December 2007 (EST)

See Also

Added a "See Also" link to super strength. From what I've seen, they're very nearly the same thing, except for the fact that Marcus's power is apparently only limited to his fingers, and Niki/Jessica/Peter can't turn things inside out. Yet. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 10:39, 26 December 2007 (EST)

  • Actually, I don't think they are the same. My theory is that Marcus's ability actually modifies the matter he touches such that it becomes softer, and thus is more easily bent or crushed/crumpled. Niki's ability is an amplification of her own strength. She doesn't alter her surroundings. I realize it's just a theory, but it makes sense to me.--MiamiVolts (talk) 11:11, 26 December 2007 (EST)
    • I removed it because it is speculation, as we really have no idea how the power works. -- Lulu .:talk:. 13:50, 26 December 2007 (EST)
    • I didn't say they were the same. I said they were very nearly the same. But whatever... Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 13:53, 26 December 2007 (EST)
      • Implied speculation is still speculation. If several people think it should remain, I won't mind it being there. -- Lulu .:talk:. 14:12, 26 December 2007 (EST)

Scientific name

Not that it matters, but I thought maybe some of you would be interested in knowing that "object deformation" is a form of psychokinesis and the common name for it is "spoon bending".--MiamiVolts (talk) 11:11, 26 December 2007 (EST)

  • Even if we had no name and were going to make up our own, psychokinesis seems too broad a term, based on your link, to use for just crumpling. -- Lulu .:talk:. 14:16, 26 December 2007 (EST)
    • I agree, if we were going to use a scientific name, "object deformation" is what I'd suggest. Psychokinesis is definately too broad. I gave the link just so you and others could see that this ability isn't something new. I realize that we're going by a canon-supreme naming system and am not suggesting to do otherwise.--MiamiVolts (talk) 14:26, 26 December 2007 (EST)
      • I too liked the idea of "(object) Deformation" when I saw it, unfortunately we are stuck with crumpling. :[ -- Lulu .:talk:. 14:29, 26 December 2007 (EST)

How stupid

Tsk, tsk, Chuck, you really couldn't think of something cooler? Something like magnetic manipulation, or weather control. But crumpling? Lame! "Fear me, for I can crumple things!" --Hero!(talk)(contribs) 19:40, 26 December 2007 (EST)

  • Don't blame Micah, he's the artist. The writer of Normal Lives is Chuck Kim, the same writer who came up with The Trial of the Black Bear. Hrm. That said, if Chuck's the only writer left doing graphic novels (he's written the past 3), I'd rather have him do it than to not have any novels at all.--MiamiVolts (talk) 19:57, 26 December 2007 (EST)
  • My bad. --Hero!(talk)(contribs) 20:07, 26 December 2007 (EST)
  • The power doesn't appear to have anything to do with magnets or weather, so what are you complaining about? The guy can crumple/compress things, probably by vibrating molecules or something. Crumpling's a simple term everyone can get. --PeterDawson 18:47, 1 January 2008 (EST)
  • I wasn't saying it had to do with either of those. I was simply saying how stupid I think this ability is. --Hero!(talk)(contribs) 13:51, 4 January 2008 (EST)
  • Plasticity manipulation is what Wikipedia calls it. --Snow Leapord 07:59, 2 March 2008 (EST)
    • ...which honestly makes no sense whatsoever... --Ice Vision (talk) 09:49, 2 March 2008 (EST)
      • I'd much rather use the word that Marcus uses than what the users at Wikipedia think it should be called: Marcus says he can crumple things. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 13:52, 2 March 2008 (EST)
        • Plassticity makes no sense? It makes perfect sense. Plasticity: the capability of being molded, receiving shape, or being made to assume a desired form. Sounds exactly like what Marcus was doing. He took one shape a trash can or human body and made it receive a shape it didn't naturally have, he desired them to be crumpled. --Snow Leapord 07:37, 3 March 2008 (EST)
          • Are we sure he turned them into a "desired form", or did he just crumple them and they took a new shape? It seems like there was very little molding going on, and more of a broad destruction. In either case, Marcus says he can crumple, so for the purposes of the article's title, it's the gerund form of what Marcus can do: crumpling. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 11:26, 3 March 2008 (EST)
            • Haha, I'm pretty sure I had a hand in naming it on Wikipedia. Therequiembellishere 18:20, 6 December 2008 (EST)

I Have A Thought, Too

User:Shadowulf1 14:08, 2 August 2008 (EDT) Why don't we call the ability Structure Weakening, as the ability doesn't appear that e actually has superhuman strength, but rather weakens the stature of other materials, allowing his to appear to have super-strength.

  • Check out our naming convention for abilities. We don't arbitrarily pick names for the abilities or else there'd never be a name that everyone would settle for. The term "crumple" was explicitly used within the graphic novel and therefore that's how we name it. (Admin 14:27, 2 August 2008 (EDT))
    • Besides, what you're saying is speculation. Does he truly weaken the molecular bonds? Does he nullify the electric force, allowing atoms to be brought together? Does he cause a resonance and vibrates the molecules? Or maybe he partially melts the object he touches, enabling him to manipulate its shape? We just don't know. "Crumpling" is the safest term. --Referos 14:35, 2 August 2008 (EDT)
      • Ah, I tried. No one can come up with a better name for the ability. Fine. But, btw, are the mechanisms behind any of the abilities ever explained? Or do we have to always name them off of speculation or the term described in the graphic novels? --N/A 20:23, 6 August 2008 (EDT)
        • Yes. The Assignment Tracker generally tries to explain abilities. Ironically, the old Assignment Tracker analyses some abilities in greater detail.--Referos 21:00, 6 August 2008 (EDT)
          • User:Shadowulf1 21:54, 24 September 2008 (EDT)This ability has even been stated to soften the matter he "crumples" (check the physical abilities section--and Marcus doesn't have superhuman strength, or else HRG would have been screwed when he cofronted him) [Check here [1]], so it should be named structure weakening; the name is simple and accurate, no?