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Memory Healing

something tells me it's not just memories damian heals. --mc_hammark 07:13, 20 October 2009 (EDT)

  • I think it might be. Everything, from his eyes to the way he holds his hands, and the fact that he never says a word seem to be hinting that he has the Haitian's ability.--Laudo 08:53, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
    • Wait, he GAVE sylar his memories, so does that mean that he is like the anti-haitian? --mc_hammark 10:51, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
      • Yeah, Damien got lucky to have an ability to help the Haitian's victims, which sounds unlikely and far-fetched... What if he can make others remember what they forgot? Like I don't remember what happened a year ago, Damien touches me, and I recall everything? Green.gif AltesUTC CH


Memory Projection

I don't think Damien "heal" Sylar, cause if he was healed then he will be back to his normal self but he's not. I think Damien can only project the memory of others and can pick what memory he liked to project. --Darkfiremaster13 18:19, 23 October 2009 (EDT)

  • He didn't completely heal him. He healed his mind, which allowed him to access his memories. The way I see it, as Linderman stated in Villains, when telepathy is used to remove memories, the brain is scarred. That's why it can be healed to allow memories back. Matt however, completely wiped Sylar's mind and put Nathan's into it. I believe that what happened is, sylar's soul (if we can believe he has one) was transferred into matt's mind, and that is why Sylar is not completely healed.
    • Actually, another note, I though that Damien would have healed Sylar and he would be completely back, but also still inside Matt, so we would have a Sylar and then another one wanting his body back. Now that would have been an interesting plot twist!!! --mc_hammark 07:50, 24 October 2009 (EDT)
      • Yeah that will be an interesting plot and I guess your right. But what about the ability? Samuel told them to go to the house of mirror, I think it have a connection with Damien's ability. --Darkfiremaster13 05:42, 26 October 2009 (EDT)
        • Or, it was just a quiet place where Sylar could take a good look at himself. --mc_hammark 09:38, 26 October 2009 (EDT)
          • But why in the house of mirror, surely he have mirror(s) on his truck. --Darkfiremaster13 06:29, 29 October 2009 (EDT)
            • He could trap sylar in the circle of mirrors and after spinning round a few times, it would be impossible to tell which way was out. --mc_hammark 16:31, 29 October 2009 (EDT)

Given Samuel's description of his ability as "the ability to project memories", I think we may need to rename this ability. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 21:30, 1 February 2010 (EST)

  • I agree. "Memory manipulation" doesn't really include the ability to show memories to others on a piece of glass.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 22:21, 1 February 2010 (EST)
    • I dunno, you could say he manipulates the memories by moving them to the glass and projecting them. And memory projection wouldn't cover the scrambling aspect of it. --mc_hammark 10:51, 2 February 2010 (EST)
      • But it's been made visually clear and explained that the primary function of the ability is to project memories. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 13:49, 2 February 2010 (EST)
        • Twice doesn't really say "primary function", at least not to me. What you're not getting is that Damien would have to manipulate the memories in order to project them. --mc_hammark 15:49, 2 February 2010 (EST)
          • And once doesn't really say "primary function" either. Samuel outright said that Damien "has the ability to project memories". --Ricard Desi (t,c) 15:56, 2 February 2010 (EST)
          • Yeah, but that was all he needed to say, he wasn't exactly going to say "Damien can project memories... oh and he can scramble them too." No, he'd only tell the aspect he needed Claire to know. It's like with René, Thompson didn't say anything about blocking abilities to Noah in Company Man when they first discussed him, only the memory removal aspect, because that was the subject of the conversation. "Manipulating" no way implies that the projection is not possible, or scrambling, where as "Memory Projection" implies that scrambling is not possible. --mc_hammark 16:01, 2 February 2010 (EST)
            • No ability name implies that it has no extensions. Telepathy as a name says nothing about placing someone in a nightmare, yet there is no issue with that. Ability replication as a name says nothing about having only one ability at a time. We now have a knowledgeable source claiming his ability is to project memories, and we have seen him do this on multiple occasions. It's difficult to say exactly what Damien was doing to Hiro. It's possible Samuel wanted Damien to remove his memories, which is something he may not have been able to do. Perhaps by attempting it, he accidentally scrambled Hiro's brain. "Memory projection" describes the ability as told by Samuel, and as seen on several occasions. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 16:05, 2 February 2010 (EST)
              • Actually, Samuel said that Damien had the ability to reveal a person's memories. Anyway, "memory revelation" wasn't explicitly given and doesn't cover all aspects of the ability, so why should we rename it?--Referos 16:13, 2 February 2010 (EST)
                • Whoops, wow, my bad. Actually, that name covers the aspects even better. It reveals memories as projected onto the House of Mirrors, and if we were so bold we may suggest that by doing whatever Damien did to Hiro, it "reminded" him of Mohinder strongly enough to have him escape. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 16:18, 2 February 2010 (EST)

Mental manipulation

I think it's quite clear from the latest episode that his power is the same as the Haitian's. Getbrett 23:33, 23 November 2009 (EST)

  • It's not that clear. To me, it seems Hiro thinks he is part of Star Trek (beam me up Scotty (that's star trek right?)), Though we saw previous memories if Hiro, it didn't seem he wiped them, just recalled them.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 23:36, 23 November 2009 (EST)
    • Hiro's a big Star Trek fan. That could be where that came from. I'd say that its more Memory Manipulation in either case.--WarGrowlmon18 23:45, 23 November 2009 (EST)
      • But he also said he needed to save Watson (implying Holmes, or perhaps he thinks Ando's in danger). Mental manipulation seems to definitely be a heavy possibility. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 23:57, 23 November 2009 (EST)
        • Mental Manipulation erases memories and blocks powers. Hiro didn't seem to have his memories erased, not really and he could still teleport.--WarGrowlmon18 00:36, 24 November 2009 (EST)
          • The latest GN says Damien was trying "to wipe Hiro's mind" or something like that...but then, GN intro's aren't canon. --Yamawhata? 17:42, 5 January 2010 (EST)

Appearance

Damien looks like he hasn't showered in YEARS. --JLYK

Mental manipulation (again)

I'm not suggesting a name change but kind of just thinking aloud right now. One argument against Damien having mental manipulation was that the Haitian claimed he could not restore memories, while Damien clearly did. The issue I have with this is that, the way I understand at least, telepathy doesn't erase memories so much as suppress them. That is, the memories were still in "Nathan"'s brain, he just couldn't access them due to Parkman's mind-bottling. Isn't that why Sylar's true personality started to slip out a little bit and made Angela ask Parkman for a tune-up? If that were true, Damien wouldn't have "restored" the memories so much as unburied them, which may be possible for the Haitian to do. Once again, not actually suggesting anything, just thinking aloud.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 17:05, 23 December 2009 (EST)

  • Although I appear to be talking to myself, I just want to share something interesting I found in It Takes a Village, Part 4. The quote goes "I became one with my father's mind and for the first time, saw him -- not as a god, or a priest...but as a man. A man who loved his son, though it did not show for fear it would make him look weak. Memories, moments, hidden like jewels scattered in a muddy field. But I could find them. I could find them and show them to him, in all their radiance." Afterwords, René's father is a different man. Now look at the bolded parts. Does it not, more or less, described EXACTLY what Damien did to Sylar? I believe so, at least. Also, much less convincing speculation, but perhaps Samuel was okay with letting Damien restore Sylar, because if the true, evolved human-killing Sylar came back, Damien would be able to block him. Anyway, just something to think about.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 19:56, 25 December 2009 (EST)
    • I'm still talking to myself, but I just found something important. In the latest graphic novel The Trip, Part 1, the blurb in the beginning states:At the request of Samuel, Damien attempts to wipe Hiro's mind. During the wipe, Hiro's mind got scrambled up into a fanboy soup. Confused and scared; he teleports from the carnival. Let's not forget, when Arthur tried to wipe Hiro's memory (with an ability that has been confirmed to be mental manipulation), Hiro became slightly messed up, similar to the way he is now. I'm going to move this discussion with myself to Damien;s page, as someone may actually reply there.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 20:11, 5 January 2010 (EST)
      • I'm totally with you on that one. We tend to have a hard time deciding when abilities are and aren't the same (Niki/Knox have the same strength but demonstrate different aspects, but Damien and Anna do not have the same powers as Rene on the basis of aspects not shown). We've seen every aspect of Rene's (I keep typing "the Haitian" out of habit) ability here but blocking powers, and I honestly can't see Damien having any reason to block powers in the middle of a 'family' of evolved humans.

Name

The credits and script call this character "Damien" with an e. NBC and Edgar's list call him "Damian" with an a. The only canon source calls him "Damian" (since credits are not canon, just very helpful). Lots of changes will need to be made... -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 14:29, 28 February 2010 (EST)

  • Maybe Edgar can't spell?--PJDEP - Talk - Polls and Opinions 15:32, 1 March 2010 (EST)
    • Very possible, but until we see an other spelling onscreen, we have to go with the only spelling we've seen in a canon source (credits aren't canon). We ran into a similar issue with Candice--looks like Chandra wasn't a very good speller either! -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:47, 1 March 2010 (EST)