Talk:D.L. Hawkins

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Did he take the money?

  • If you watch the scene at the end of Better Halves he picks up Micah and carries him away, but he's not carrying the briefcase with the money. So we don't know that he definitely took the money, though it does seem likely. (Admin 13:02, 1 November 2006 (EST))
  • Wow, good catch. I totally missed that.--Hardvice 14:53, 1 November 2006 (EST)

Powers

  • In Nothing to Hide, when D.L. and Micah (and Hiro and Ando) come upon the car accident, D.L. goes to the car to pull the driver out. With the door locked, he phases through the window to open the door from the inside. If you watch this scene, the window surrounding DL's arm ripples like a pond with a stone tossed into it. This suggests that D.L.'s phasing ability does not change his body, but rather items that he comes in contact with (or proximity to). This is consistent with the unreferenced note of Leonard Roberts saying that D.L.'s power works by changing the objects he passes through. (Jared 16:07, 29 November 2006 (EST))
  • I think it pushes the molecules out. BTW the Profiles are stating that DL's powers is Shape-Shifting?! [1] User:Red
    • Unfortunately a bit of information on NBC's site has turned out to be inaccurate. This appears to be yet another example. It's a shame. (Admin 15:24, 13 January 2007 (EST))
      • See here for info about using NBC.com as a source. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:18, 13 January 2007 (EST)
        • It bears some resembelance to proposed 'bose solids'. All the atoms in a solid act as a single wavefunction and seemlessly 'drop' through others. I agree with point1, that he alters other objects rather than himself, hence he can pull nik-ssica through the wall in the hardest part. Something to ponder (if you wanna be REALLY pedantic) is why he doesnt drop through the floor. -AlexC

Chronology

Never thought about it before: D.L. was arrested for the robbery six months before Hiros (putting the robbery on or about April 5), and Six Months Ago takes place on & around April 24. Even allowing for an approximate meaning of "six months ago", such as "anything between five months and a day and six months", there's still not very much time between SMA and the robbery ... if the robbery is later than April 30, then it's really five months before Hiros no matter how you slice it. I think it's interesting that the entire plan was formed, scrapped, re-formed, and executed in under a week. Maybe DL's not the career criminal that making him an ex-con with a "crew" implies after all...--Hardvice (talk) 14:29, 11 February 2007 (EST)

  • Yeah, I think somewhere around the production of Six Months Ago, the production staff tweaked their chronology a bit. That would explain the confusion surrounding the Homecoming (event) date; they tried to solidify it with Mohinder's "9 days" line in Fallout. Hopefully, they'll realize that people (read: us nerds) are paying attention to the details of the timeline, and they'll be more consistent. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:27, 11 February 2007 (EST)


Traitor?

So based on Hiros' Blog in the future D.L. is a traitor?--ASEO 10:52, 2 May 2007 (EDT)

  • Mr. Bennet is the traitor. He sold out Future Hiro and Ando to Matt, and also apparently turned over the "dangerous" evolved humans he was supposed to be helping.--Hardvice (talk) 16:42, 2 May 2007 (EDT)
    • So what was the point of DL in hiros blog puzzle?--ASEO 16:52, 2 May 2007 (EDT)
      • If you sent an email to dlh@primatechpaper.com, you got an email from Hiro intended for Hana. He was sending her a clue for the next email address to use, like the previous puzzle.--Hardvice (talk) 17:33, 2 May 2007 (EDT)

Death

  • I guess until Episode 23 airs we should keep him listed as dead, but I think I saw him alive in the previews for it. FlyingMan 23:40, 14 May 2007 (EDT)
    • He should not be listed as dead until he's shown to be dead. As best as I could tell, he wasn't quite dead yet.--Hardvice (talk) 23:41, 14 May 2007 (EDT)
      • That's pretty much my bad, as I jumped the gun on this one. He probably can't be dead yet, as he has yet to meet Sylar (Sylar (future)).--Tim Thomason 23:47, 14 May 2007 (EDT)
        • Can we tell if Linderman is dead?--MiamiVolts (talk) 00:00, 15 May 2007 (EDT)
          • Well, D.L. was holding his brain in his hand, so I'd say yes.--Hardvice (talk) 00:02, 15 May 2007 (EDT)
      • Linderman, Thompson, and Sprague were all seen with severe death-causing head trauma and were made up to look and act dead. D.L. Hawkins, although poetically his death seems imminent, was merely dying at the end of the ep (from a gunshot wound to the chest or maybe upper gut). It's possible that he can be healed somehow, although he killed his best chance, and I don't think Peter ever met Linderman.--Tim Thomason 00:09, 15 May 2007 (EDT)
        • Then again, D.L. has survived being shot before. It could very well be in a similar area that's not life-threatening.--Piemanmoo 02:31, 15 May 2007 (EDT)
          • Towards the end of episode 3 of season 2, isn't it D.L. shown blurred in the back of the scene where Niki is siting in 'Bob's office asking if they are sure they can cure her? Did she trade in D.L. for a cure, either for the virus or cured of her special powers..--Julesvanlaar 01:26, 22 October 2007 (EDT)
  • Linderman is definatley dead, D.L. however isn't. In the end you still see him twitching and breathing, even if barely. Also take note that in FYG, Sylar has D.L.'s power... and so far from what we've seen, Sylar only takes powers from those still alive when he comes into contact with them. I don't think a dead brain would be of use to him. --Riddler 22:21, 15 May 2007 (EDT)
    • Check out this spoiler. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:47, 15 May 2007 (EDT)
    • About Sylar having DL's powers, just because the alternate future Sylar has the phasing ability doesn't mean that the current Sylar will ever get that ability. The future has changed, Sylar can very well never gain the ability to phase. --Snow Leapord 11:07, 9 October 2007 (EDT)
  • Maybe DL died from the the same disease that Mohinder is trying to cure. His tomb stone showed he died in 2007 and he got shot in November 2006 so I don't think the gunshot was what killed him. Jebriggs98 14:51, 10 October 2007 (EDT)
    • And maybe he passed the Shanti virus onto Niki, which is why she calls Bob. The plot thickens...*dun dun*--DarkPhoenix 14:55, 10 October 2007 (EDT)

Season 2 Promo Picture ?

On the show's official Myspace, if you go in the photo gallery section (sub-category of the Watch section) picture #2 appears to be a season 2 promotionnal picture of DL/Leonard. (He is also present on picture #13, the group pic) I was just wondering whenever or not we should replace the current picture with this one, since this seems to be the only place where it is available ? --LeoChris 18:27, September 3, 2007

  • If you can capture it and upload it, that would be consistent with the other main character photos. Could you also get that group photo? It's very similar to Image:S2 spoiler-giant map.jpg.--Bob 19:19, 3 September 2007 (EDT)
  • Wow, almost every one of those pictures is slightly different than the ones released by NBC. Hmm. And it's odd that they would have everybody pose for the map picture, and then do another shot throwing Leonard Roberts in there. Plus, I've seen video footage of the shooting of that map picture, and Leonard was nowhere to be found. I find this highly interesting, and am now wondering if NBC is trying to pull a big hoax by not including Leonard in any of the publicity (press conferences, interviews, Heroes World Tour, Comic-Con) for Season Two, just to trick fans. I don't really know what to make of all that. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 19:35, 3 September 2007 (EDT)
    • D.L. Hawkins is an enigma. It's best left unsolved - he's simply too powerful for us all, and would crush us if we came close to the truth. --DocM 19:40, 3 September 2007 (EDT)
    • It'll be nice if they don't kill him at least, even if he's only back as a recurring character. It bugs me a bit that all three of the season one series regulars who appear to have gotten the axe are ethnic minorities. I'll be impressed when they off one of the white boys. Speaking of, I wish they'd had the balls to make Peter and Nathan's exit permanent. Now that would have been impressive--setting up an entire season long story to kill off two of your bread-and-butter characters in one heroic sacrifice--but I guess that would have made NBC's collective heads explode. Ah well...--Hardvice (talk) 03:21, 19 September 2007 (EDT)
      • Totally agreed. It's really going to upset me that a character who's shot in the abdomen is killed whereas an unhealthy man who's "shot" four times in the chest survives. DL got the worst things in life thrown his way, and Leonard Roberts mentioned that once in an interview (forgot where). So it would really be a shame if they kill him off. I was (unfortunately) also hoping that Nathan was dead so they would kill off a major character.--Bob 15:47, 19 September 2007 (EDT)

Birth/Death

His born and die dates are on his coffin. Anyone catch them?--MiamiVolts (talk) 21:41, 8 October 2007 (EDT)

  • Death was in 2007, birth was 1976 if I'm not mistaken ... I now there's a promo pic of the grave somewhere on the net, I'll see if I can locate it. --LeoChris 21:50, 8 October 2007 (EDT)
    • Found itsee here, looks like 1976-2007 --LeoChris 22:06, 8 October 2007 (EDT)
      • Should a note about the fact that Daniel Linderman and Daniel Hawkins, victim and murderer, shared the same first name be added to the trivia? Just a thought.--Paronine 23:25 8 October 2007 (EDT)
        • The tombstone in the episode (Kindred) confirms 1976 and 2007 as dates of birth and death. No day or month, but - since he was shot on November 8th, 2006, he must have either recovered and then died, or convalesced for quite a while to have died in 2007, even early 2007. We know he got some medical care (per The Death of Hana Gitelman, Part 2). The grass on his tombstone appears undisturbed, which (for California) means that he was buried at least 6 weeks before the episode - putting his actual death no earlier than 1 January 2007 and no later than, oh, 22 January (assuming Four Months Later begins on March 8th, 2007, exactly 4 months later). So, how did he die? That is the question. ZZ 00:47, 9 October 2007 (EDT)

Name of Article ?

If D.L. Hawkins becomes Daniel Lawrence Hawkins, then shouldn't Niki Sanders become Nicole Sanders and so on ? What's the consensus on this ? Shouldn't the article reflect the most commonly used name ? (see Candice/Betty/Michelle) if that's the case, then I believe the article should be renamed DL. --LeoChris 23:40, 8 October 2007 (EDT)

I think the most common given name of the character should be used. I changed the opening text, because a certain "formality" looks good, but the page should be at the character's accepted name. We should use our best judgment to decide if a character would "rather be called" by their full first, middle, and last name (and Sr., Jr., III, etc...) or by the name they sign on checks. Hence I agree that this should be "D.L. Hawkins."--Tim Thomason 23:47, 8 October 2007 (EDT)
  • I agree, this should either be changed back to D.L. Hawkins as he wasn't necessarily hiding his name or changed to Daniel Hawkins or at most Daniel L. Hawkins to go with the standard format.--MiamiVolts (talk) 00:28, 9 October 2007 (EDT)
Don't forget, though - we changed Noah Bennet when his name came out, too. ZZ 00:48, 9 October 2007 (EDT)
  • I could go either way on this. For starters, anytime we're currently calling someone a generic name like "Mr. Linderman" or "Mr. Bennet" and we find out their first name, I believe we should rename the article. That being said whether we want to leave characters alone when a more complete version of their name is revealed is a good question. Currently I'm leaning towards leaving it as "D.L. Hawkins" since that's how we've always know him (and D.L. is a valid name as opposed to something like Mr.) and just making sure his formal name is in the infobox. (Admin 00:51, 9 October 2007 (EDT))
  • We didn't change Niki Sanders into Nicole Sanders when Six Months Ago aired, Charlie Andrews didn't become Charlene Andrews, Zach didn't change into Zachary etc. ... Noah's case was adding a first name, the present case (and those cited above) is changing a character's article's title into the character's formal name, that is, according to me anyways, apples and oranges, formal names should IMO be mentioned in the articles but unless the character(s) commonly go by that name, I don't think we should rename the concerned articles. That being said, if we do decide to keep DL's formal name, all the others previously mentionned cases should be renamed too, for consistancy. --LeoChris 00:58, 9 October 2007 (EDT)
    • You're right. There's already established precedent for leaving it named according to their common name. I'll move the article back to the old name and we'll leave the redirect from Daniel Lawrence Hawkins intact. (Admin 01:00, 9 October 2007 (EDT))

Four Months Ago

I don't know about you guys. But I PRAY that D.L. will make an appearance in episode eight. This season is so different from season one.

  • I think there's more than meets the eye with D.L.'s death, and I hope it's explained. Unless there's bad blood between Leonard Roberts and the bigwigs, I don't see why he wouldn't make an appearance. I think the audience deserves an explanation. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:16, 17 October 2007 (EDT)

D.L Alive ? (I have other spoilers in here)

I watched the canadian trailer for next weeks episode which revealed a lot more, concerning Nathan's discovery of Peter being very much alive and finding out Bob and Niki's are responibile for the future Peter and Caitlin are in AND D.L. delivering that message.

Is this a vision or a daydream or something else that Niki is experiencing ?? Does any of you know more ? It would be great for Micah if his father were alive. DarthYotho 17:02, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

That absolutely sucked.

What a horrible way for D.L. to die. I liked it better when I could assume he just died from Linderman shooting him. How he got killed senselessly was just... Gah! I know its just a show, but I was legitimately angry at the killer! Anybody else feel that way?--Avenger 01:20, 13 November 2007 (EST)

  • Yeah, besides the way D.L. died being lame (I don't have a better word to describe it), I kept waiting for Niki to run up to the guy and pound him across the room. The whole death scene eeked a big stench that it was a rush job, the same as Candice's death.--MiamiVolts (talk) 02:00, 13 November 2007 (EST)
    • I was honestly hoping he'd die in the fire. That would've been an amazing way for D.L.'s story to end.--Avenger 02:43, 13 November 2007 (EST)
    • I agree, at this point I'm glad the writers went on strike. I could have written a better ending for DL than that. I 2nd Miamivolts concern about the two deaths. Lame is the perfect word. They have both been added to the Tele-Apathy power listings.--Mish 10:23, 13 November 2007 (EST)

Firefighter?

  • To be a LVFD firefighter, the minimum qualifications on the date of application is
    • High School Diploma or GED
    • Current Valid Driver’s License
    • Must be 18 years old.
  • According to D.L.'s inmate record card, D.L. doesn't have more than a high school education Chrisyudbsname.JPGChrisyudbstalk.JPG 10:09, 13 November 2007 (EST)
    • I think I'm missing your point. But if it is that D.L. doesn't meet the requirements because of his education level it's totally possible he got his GED. But who wants to see an episode of THAT? --Mish 10:21, 13 November 2007 (EST)
      • It is possible that he could've just been a volunteer, but thats just a theory.--Avenger 19:57, 13 November 2007 (EST)

Question

  • I think I read somewhere that the birth of Micah was planned, does anyone know where(if it exists) is was said. Also if it helps it said something about DL being a possible synth, obviously meaning he was given his ability Sylarversion2 18:22, 3 December 2008
    • In The Hard Part, D.L. goes to Linderman's archives, sees all the documents Linderman has been keeping about the family, and says, "It was all Linderman's science experiment. All this time Linderman's just been playing with our lives." In Landslide, D.L. and Jessica confront Linderman in his office. Linderman says, "You wouldn't even have Micah if it wasn't for me arranging your relationship. Crafting your opportunities." -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 19:59, 3 December 2008 (EST)
  • So that's a yes then? Another question that derives from this, does that mean that Linderman could predict the outcome of Micah's powers or was it just a great convinence for Linderman that Micah has technopathy?--Sylarversion2 17:59, 4 December 2008 (EST)
    • Personally, I think he was probably involved in arranging other relationships and one of them happened to produce an ability that was useful in that instance. Even if he wasn't, he was the leader of the company at that time, it could've simply been that Micah was an easy person to convice with right kinda ability.--BardinessBoy 18:15, 4 December 2008 (EST)
    • I don't think that's necessarily a "yes". There's nothing in any quotes I know of that say--or even hint at--D.L. having synthetic abilities. Nor does Linderman's quote necessarily mean that Linderman planned Micah's birth. It's a good theory to jump to, and probably very much on target, but I wouldn't say that the answer to any of your questions is a simple "yes". -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 18:55, 4 December 2008 (EST)
  • Thanks, do you know how I could submit the question, can you predict the outcome of offspring's powers by their parents powers? to BTE?--Sylarversion2 19:45, 4 December 2008 (EST)

Deleted Scenes or Unaired Pilot

I know there is a scene of D.L. at the Moab prison. Is this scene from the Genesis Deleted Scenes or the Unaired Pilot or both?

I think D.L.'s First Apperance should be changed because if you watch the first season of Heroes on DVD or Blu-Ray, you'd watch everything on Disc 1 before you watched the episode 'Hiros' on Disc 2. Observatorr 20:34, 14 April 2009 (EDT)