Talk:David's ability

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The following sources are used for determining evolved human ability names, in order:
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2. Near-canon Sources Webisodes,
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iStories,
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4. Common names for abilities Names from other works
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6. Possessor's name
If no non-speculative
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Rename: Predatory instincts

I think the ability name should be changed to this because that was what it looked like to me in the webisode. - Biohazard, 1 January 2009 15:11 (GMT).

  • Predatory instincts... I like that. I can't really think of a way that anything contradicts this; it seems pretty accurate. --Whizzles 10:21, 1 January 2009 (EST)
    • I don't think we know enough about it to give it a name. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 12:10, 1 January 2009 (EST)
      • Fair enough. Hopefully Part 4 will shed some light on this. --Whizzles 13:42, 1 January 2009 (EST)
        • It reminds me of Red Eye's ability, but reversed, giving David primal rage instead of the people around him. --WeatherWitch 14:00, 1 January 2009 (EST)
          • I think that his ability is like the bersurker from Evangelion, he loose all control and gains incredible strentgh and speed. Halfbreed1426 01:39, 2 January 2009

Sorry, but...

...I find the description of the ability funny. "David's ability is the ability to growl and charge at others viciously with red-colored eyes." Haha, I could do that, I'd just need some red-colored contacts. :) But I guess it is what it is. -- Mike N. 12:39, 1 January 2009 (EST)

  • Yeah, I laughed too. I think we need to re-word that one. XD --Whizzles 13:42, 1 January 2009 (EST)
    • Quite honestly, that's exactly what we've seen him do. We don't need to change it because nothing about it is inaccurate. Psilaq Remake 18:26, 1 January 2009 (EST)
      • Growling isn't an ability. Anyone can growl. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 18:38, 1 January 2009 (EST)
        • Good point. How about "David's ability is an ability that causes animalistic aggression and red-colored eyes."? Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 19:18, 1 January 2009 (EST)
          • That would be jumping into conclusions. --Litox 19:31, 1 January 2009 (EST)
            • Not really, no. The definition of animalistic is "in the manner of an animal; savage; untamed," which is exactly how David acted. His growling only attributed to his animal-like quality. It's not like I'm saying "let's rename it to animal mimicry" or anything like that. But I think it does fine in terms of the lead description. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 19:33, 1 January 2009 (EST)
              • I agree, we know he became significantly more aggressive and brutally savage in nature. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 20:02, 1 January 2009 (EST)
                • Then let's say that: he became more aggressive and brutally savage in nature. "Animalistic" might fit, but it's a loaded word. We don't want to give the impression that he turned into an animal, and people will read into our choice of words deeper than we want them to. Let's keep it to what we know and to something that's not unintentionally misleading. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:32, 1 January 2009 (EST)

I slightly changed the introduction yesterday. It now reads "that causes great aggression and a change in the user's eye color". That OK? -- Tristan0709 talk 21:49, 2 January 2009 (EST)

  • I wasn't complaining about it... since it is what it is... :| but I think it sounds better now. :) -- Mike N. 21:55, 2 January 2009 (EST)
    • Oops. Didn't intend sarcasm or anger, just checking with everyone. :) -- Tristan0709 talk 22:01, 2 January 2009 (EST)
      • I didn't read any sarcasm or anger in your post. The description sounds good. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:23, 2 January 2009 (EST)

Rename: Primal Rage, Feral Rage or Feral Instincts

Maybe this ability is indeed linked to the Red Eye ability that's featured in the Grafic Novels right now. Or some version of it anyway, but it allows the person with this ability to access primal/feral/animal like senses/stength/instinct .. when the person is exposed or triggers a certain emotion.

But I agree with RGS, it's too early and we know too little about this to actually rename it. But I just wanted to open up some more options. Happy NY everybody !!! DarthYotho 07:28, 2 January 2009 (EST)

I don't think we can understand this abilityyet, it's much too early (similat to Trevors ability). --Irony 07:35, 2 January 2009 (EST)

Lycanthropy?

Some aspects of enhanced physiology?

Increased speed and maybe strength used in takedown displayed.

It could be possible that it's the initial stages of Lycanthropy or Canine Mimicry, Eye color changes, heightened aggression and enhanced speed (not to Daphne's level but faster than a normal human certainly).

Please, no...

No more name suggestions. Please. We know next to nothing about David's ability, thus any name we try to give to it is speculative. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 12:24, 2 January 2009 (EST)

  • How about animal mimicry? Induced ferocity? Werewolfism? Primal rage (II)? Anti-Visine-kinesis? :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:06, 2 January 2009 (EST)
    • Hairless lychantropy? Feral rage? Beast mimicry? Feralkinesis? Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 15:16, 2 January 2009 (EST)
      • There's always Wolfikinesis, Aggression Manipulation, and Anger Mimicry. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 16:08, 2 January 2009 (EST)
    • ...You know, induced ferocity actually does not sound that bad. >.> <.< Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 20:03, 2 January 2009 (EST)
      • Feralkinesis?? It's......different..... -- Tristan0709 talk 21:49, 2 January 2009 (EST)
  • What about ragekinesis, angerkinesis, induced primordial, beast mastery (like the puppet mastery) --Manwithnoname 06:59, 3 January 2009 (EST)
    • I think that would be "beast master" with no y. :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 11:40, 3 January 2009 (EST)

Oy gevalt. You guys suck. :P Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 12:06, 3 January 2009 (EST)

Isn't it possible that

...David's body just wasn't suited to supporting an ability, and as such, it reacted badly within him and made him become what he did? I mean, Angela said something to Nathan like "you could cope with an ability", so perhaps David just couldn't, and the result was that? It's not strictly an ability, then, I suppose.--IotV 17.09, 3 January 2009 (GMT)

  • Very possible. I thought the same thing--that something had gone wrong with him. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 12:19, 3 January 2009 (EST)
    • Just thought I'd say that this isn't just what I think, it's my opinion on the matter. It was just a bad reaction. But of course, it's speculative, so it must stay the same...sigh... Super-Hiro

I have a few suggestions, too

User:Shadowulf1 10:21, 8 January 2009 (EST) anything with kinesis in the end would be inappropriate and inaccurate, as he manipulates nothing. It doesn't seem to be a type of mimicry either. He seems only to unleash a more feral persona when using this ability. I think the more proper name for this type of ability would be something like Rampant Charge or Charging. Even Feral Mind, Feral Rage, Berserker Rage, or the like. You could even change the name to Primal Rage, and change this page to Primal Rage Inducing like previously suggested.

  • I don't think we know enough about the ability to name it. You've got some good guesses in your post, but after seeing what we saw onscreen, they are all jumping to conclusions. At this point, I think any name other than "David's ability" is speculative. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 10:52, 8 January 2009 (EST)
    • True, but I think that if the ability is a rage sort of ability then the Primal rage page should be changed to Primal Rage Evocation, and this page should be changed to Primal Rage or Berserker Rage (and if it's another type of ability, then it should not include kinesis, because it manipulates nothing). Wouldn't you agree? User:Shadowulf1 15:36, 8 January 2009 (EST)
      • No. Primal rage was explicitly named by Tim Pope in one of the iStory chapters, so that name shouldn't change. I don't think we know enough about David's ability to give it any name at all. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:40, 8 January 2009 (EST)
        • User:Shadowulf1 09:31, 9 January 2009 (EST) I just meant that if the name fits...

Increased speed?

Shouldn't we note David's increased speed on his ability page? Was it my player, or did it seem as though David almost instantaneously ran away to hide, and then dragged Ryan off super fast?--MiamiVolts (talk) 19:05, 8 January 2009 (EST)

Thats just what i thought, he moved super fast, or like he was fading in and out quickly. I think its something like Berserker, where he gets increased speed and strength and maybe slight camouflage like when he hid taking Ryan, i think the formula may has worked, but he wasn't suited for it and so destroyed his mind rendering it animal like.--Fr0z3nB0nes 14:14, 12 January 2009 (EST)

Similar to Mohinder's Ability?

We know that Mohinder is mimicing the abilities of some kind of bug. And to me, David seems to be mimicing the abilities of a feral beast (possibly some kind of wolf?). Perhaps the two abilities are actually the same thing. They'd unleash an animalistic ability in a human... I dunno what you'd call it, but still, a person who has this could possibly have the powers of say, a meerkat or a narwhal or even a sea otter (lol, what if gave you the powers to be as cute as Mr. Muggles??) Ideas? --Punxas 21:46, 12 January 2009 (EST)

  • I think it's too early to tell. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:01, 12 January 2009 (EST)
    • Part of me thinks that they'll never explain it! Ah, well I'll just wait for part 4! :) --Punxas 22:22, 12 January 2009 (EST)

Enhanced physiology

• Enhanced physiology (Mohinder Suresh, David Sullivan): The ability to possess greater than normal human instinct, senses, flexibility, and stamina. -- Mike the Man-child! 19:17, 28 January 2009

  • Works for me, --Piemanmoo 05:23, 14 February 2009 (EST)
    • Not for me, Mohinder and David didn't share all effects of the uncatalyzed formula, David didn't get bug goo and scales, Mohinder didn't get red eyes. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 09:01, 14 February 2009 (EST)

"There is a lot of mystery surrounding David's ability. In fact, I don't even know what to call it. What is the nature of his power?

Jim: David was injected with an uncatalyzed strain of the serum which had terrible mutated effects. It was more of a severe rabies than anything else. Some of the bad serum turned people into "the elephant man", some did the Kafka-esque "Suresh" transformation and some of it did this. I'd call it "super rabies".

Timm: And I always thought of it as a less-powerful "rage" as seen in the film 28 Days Later." -- Mike the Man-child!

Furiousity

This discussion about the naming of this ability has been probably long dropped ago, but how about we call is Furiousity because of his aggressive savage behavior.-Datnymonster 20:39, 23 February 2009 (EST)

  • I say we nuke this page. We don't even know if it was a power, and if it is it was only used for 12 seconds. Who will miss it, really? Let's just delete it and/or put it under unconfirmed powers.--Piemanmoo 23:10, 25 February 2009 (EST)
    • You don't just delete something because you feel like it. The point of the wiki is to record what has been seen. David was injected with the formula and so thus he gained an ability. By the way I remember a while back that the casting call for David had the words, "Jackal/Mr. Hype transformation". Throwing that out there if there ever another debate on the naming of this ability. --OutbackZack 18:56, 4 March 2009 (EST)
      • I'm just going to assume that OutbackZack meant "Dr. Jekyll/Mr. Hyde transformation," for clarification purposes. XD --Whizzles 19:55, 4 March 2009 (EST)
        • haha yes, that's what I meant. I wasn't exactly sure what the doctor's name was so I went with the first thing that came to mind. --OutbackZack 23:00, 4 March 2009 (EST)

Maybe...

I think this isn't even really an ability maybe its like mohinder's first ability. Its not like anyones gonna ever appear to have this ability again anyway or so think...--Icykidd 23:15, 9 March 2009 (EDT)

Ability Overdosing theory

Peter had evolved humans in his family tree, but lost his abilities. When he injected himself with the formula, he didn't pass out, like Ando, or tremble, like Scott. He almost immediately displayed his new ability. David didn't pass out or trembled, what could be explained if he has evolved humans in his family tree. and his ability was violent and instable because he already had an ability. The formula added another one to his body and it collapsed.

What do you think? Mateussf 22:52, 5 April 2009 (EDT)

New description

According to the new interview in the front page, his power is just a side effect of getting injected by an uncatalyzed version of the serum--Rod 18:50, 7 April 2009 (EDT)


I agree. Any person who is injected with an uncatalyzed version of the formula seems to gain some sort of animalistic ability: Mohinder's is the bug, David's is the wolf. --Mc hammark 07:21, 8 April 2009 (EDT)

Rename to Super Rabies

Ryangibsonstewart interviewed what the name should be called and the Recruit webisode writers say(link) the name should be called "Super Rabies".--HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 04/9/2009 08:51 (EST)

  • Please look at the Mohinder's ability discussion :) Thanks --IronyUTC CH 08:55, 9 April 2009 (EDT)
    • Ha thats would make sense :) .Im sure the writers were joking but really its the only canonical name we have for it Gabriel Bishop 08:59, 9 April 2009 (EDT)
      • I honestly hope this suggestion is a joke. They were clearly joking. Clearly. -- Psilaq R.- \m/ -_- \m/- 12:24, 9 April 2009 (EDT)
        • Whether they were joking or not (open to opinion), "Super-Rabies", which they gave to answer his question, is still much better than 'David's ability', and it does explain accurately the characteristic of his ability as well. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 04/9/2009 12:50 (EST)
          • Rabies doesn't cause a drastic change in eye color. -- Psilaq R.- \m/ -_- \m/- 12:53, 9 April 2009 (EDT)
            • Maybe Ryan can re-interview them with that tidbit of info, and get them to give us another different name for his ability that what they said to call it. Perhaps "Visine Enhanced Super Rabies". --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 04/9/2009 13:09 (EST)
              • I like Super Rabies. As his ability will never be important again, calling it Super Rabies wouldn't kill anybody. Mateussf 20:39, 10 April 2009 (EDT)

An idea which might help some of these problems

If it is just a side effect of the uncatalyzed formula, could it not be merged with the first part of Mohinders ability, and named Imperfect Synthetic Ability/ies. Mohinder's ability is now just Enhanced Strength, and this therefore doesn't need its own page. So we could make a page called I.S.As and redirect Mohinder's ability and David's ability to that page. Just a suggestion, please respond if you disagree, don't disagree in silence. MIDAS 11:27, 10 April 2009 (EDT)


New Consensus Check using New Consensus Process

Please sign and give a reason to the name you are opposed to. If no consensus is reached then this will remain David's ability. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 04/22/2009 13:08 (EST)

  • Bump, for discussion. Are there no other names or reasons why people may oppose the names suggested? --posted by Laughingdevilboy

Talk 10:20, 25 April 2009 (EDT)

  • I threw in another name base on what was said in the interview. I think Super Rage would be something to consider. --OutbackZack 12:47, 27 April 2009 (EDT)


David's ability

Talk 13:14, 22 April 2009 (EDT)


Super Rabies

  • Opposed, This was likely a flippent, off the cuff remark, not grounds for a name-change --IronyUTC CH 13:23, 27 April 2009 (EDT)
    • Phrases like "that was likely" are speculative, and something we should always remind ourselves to avoid in the wiki. The interviewer asked "I don't even know what to call it", in which the writer answered, "I'd call it -super rabies-". Nothing in his context denoted flippancy rather a very detailed explanation of the effect of the injection, followed by a suggestion of what he, the writer, would call it. Speculation shouldn't be used to oppose a consensus choice. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 04/29/2009 09:48 (EST)


Enhanced physiology

  • Opposed, the writer specifically told Ryan it should be called Super rabies. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 04/22/2009 13:08 (EST)
    • "Jim Martin said that's what he'd call it (see here), but Timm Keppler said he'd call it "rage". I'm not really sure they were naming the ability, though...but it's hard to tell." -- Mike the Man-child!
    • Can't oppose just because you think a better name is available.--345tom 12:40, 6 May 2009 (EDT)
  • Doesnt describe that he was angry and mad, although could be placed in notes, --345tom 12:40, 6 May 2009 (EDT)


Animal Instincts

  • Opposed, doesn't describe the ability --IronyUTC CH 13:23, 27 April 2009 (EDT)


Super Rage

  • Opposed, doesn't describe the aspects of the ability, his ability is not only "being angry" --IronyUTC CH 13:23, 27 April 2009 (EDT)
      • It doesn't exactly have to. take Flight for example. West states he can breathe in the higher altitudes and his body is able to adapt to the different pressures. Nowhere does the name Flight cover that. Take Enhance Strength from Knox. Nowhere in the name does it explain that he can "smell" fear. The name is just the general understanding of the ability in which the ability may have by products. Also when someone is in a rage their bodies go into this mode where the pumping of the heart increases and adrenaline causes certain functions of the human body to increase. Where does the red eyes come from? Look at Primal Rage, nowhere does that name describe Ricardo's glowing red eyes. Not saying those examples should be used as an excuse, but that it's so easy to go back and throw this "the name doesn't describe every aspect of the ability" argument into the ring. --OutbackZack 13:37, 27 April 2009 (EDT)
        • Yes but they explain the main power not the additions. Just becasue your angry doesnt mean your stronger than usual and so in this place super rage is the side effect. Like hes feral.--345tom 12:37, 6 May 2009 (EDT)

Rename?

What about self-induced anger? --Spexile 19:08, 24 April 2009 (EDT)

  • In an interview with the creators of The Recruit, they clarify this was not an ability. He was injected with the old serum so its not really an ability. http://heroeswiki.com/Interview:The_Recruit Jfjhong 00:49, 7 May 2009 (EDT)
    • He said "David was injected with an uncatalyzed strain of the serum which had terrible mutated effects. It was more of a severe rabies than anything else". Every ability could be defined as a mutated effect, and "it was more of ... than ..." is not the same thing as "it wasn't an ability". Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 17:47, 7 May 2009 (EDT)
      • Wait, why is this in the ablities section if it's not an ability? Jason Garrick 09:01, 11 September 2009 (EDT)