Talk:Dehydration

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Source/Explanation
Based on descriptions in Golden Handshake.

Reading this page, I kind of feel like it's speculating that Pizet was killed by dehydration. He looks pale and dead, but his face doesn't exactly look shriveled, the way he would look if all the water and moisture were removed from his body. It's surely possible (and very probable), but I couldn't find anything that conclusively said Pizet died of dehydration. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:25, 24 July 2007 (EDT)

  • He looks a bit shriveled to me. Killing him wouldn't require him to be virtually mummified. --Ted C 16:53, 24 July 2007 (EDT)
    • Right, but it still is speculation that that's how he's killed. I just think this whole article is very premature. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:54, 24 July 2007 (EDT)
      • I think it's clear that dehydration is Rollo's power since the novel says so on pg. 3. As for Pizet, it seems highly likely that he's dehydrated from the way he looks, and since he was held captive by Rollo, we can put two and two together.--MiamiVolts (talk) 17:15, 24 July 2007 (EDT)
        • Well, yes, I'm not arguing that Rollo has the power of dehydration. And it's quite probable that Pizet was killed by dehydration...but I don't think it's a sure thing. I can make a case just as strongly that he was killed some other way. I don't really think he was killed in another way, but being objective, I think that saying Pizet was killed by dehydration is speculative. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:14, 24 July 2007 (EDT)
          • I thought it was speculative from the moment I saw it. Reading the novel I assumed for my own part that it he may have been killed by dehydration, but for us to claim that it was his cause of death we need evidence. We can leave the Dehydration article, but we can't say that Pizet was killed by dehydration until we find out for certain. (Admin 21:37, 24 July 2007 (EDT))

Compare and Contrast the Artists Pen reflects Dehydration

I see no problem waiting to GN2 to see if they confirm Pizet was dehydrated or not. However, if you carefully look at each picture, of each person in the GN1, anyone can see that the artist is making a huge differentiation between the smooth-skinned, fair-complected, wrinkleless and unblemished, skin-tone colored faces of Claude, Haram, Rollo, and the women........verses the uneven-skinned, dark gray-skinned, horrible-complected, severely wrinkled and blemished face of Mr. Pizet. Which I strongly believe from the pictures, is the cartoonists attempt at showing the dehydration effect on the body of Pizet.



However, Compare and contrast the pictures.
Rollo Fusor's accomplice.JPG Rollo Fusor.jpg Invisibility pill.JPG

The smooth-skinned, fair-complected, wrinkleless and unblemished, skin-tone colored faces of the Woman, Rollo, Haram, and Claude
verses
The uneven blackened-skinned, horrible-complected, wrinkled and blemished face of Mr. Pizet
Monsieur Pizet.JPG

Even Haram, who is described as an Arab (and drawn with darker skin that the Anglo-Saxons), shows a stark difference in appearance than the 'dehydrated' anglo-saxon Frenchman Mr. Pizet.

How much more differentiation did the artist need to give us to convey the results of Dehydration on Mr. Pizet? --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 07/26/2007 12:48 (EST)

  • Were there any other deceased characters in that novel? The character was killed, but without a more explicit explanation that it was from dehydration we can't be certain that the artist was drawing the effect of dehydration versus someone who may have been dead for a while. I, too, personally feel that it was dehydration, but before it's added here as fact we need more conclusive evidence that it was the cause of death. (Admin 12:58, 26 July 2007 (EDT))
    • Agree. What I see is that Pizet is definitely dead. I, too, believe it was by dehydration, but that's not enough say it's a fact. Claiming his cause of death based on one-plus-one-equals-two logic would be akin to claiming that Angela Petrelli, Kaito Nakamura, and Charles Deveaux are evolved humans--which is almost definitely true, but not yet proven. Until then, the observation and logical reasoning belongs in the Notes, or nowhere at all. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:24, 26 July 2007 (EDT)

Rename: Water Vampirism?

Given the fact that the power is limited to use on organisms, the name "dehydration" seems too generic. In Golden Handshake 3 the folks from the Company refer to someone with this power as a "water vampire". Is "water vampirism", then, a better name? --E rowe 14:55, 7 August 2007 (EDT)

  • I think vampire is an incorrect conotation since it was clearly daytime when she killed Pizet. They've used 'dehydrate' in previous novels, but we could clarify and call it 'organic dehydration'. I've no problem with that, but we are basing this limit to her power from what the Company told Claude, and that could be incorrect so I'd go with keeping it the same for now.--MiamiVolts (talk) 15:06, 7 August 2007 (EDT)
    • I agree. I think dehydration is a concise, appropriate term for the ability. (Admin 15:15, 7 August 2007 (EDT))
      • OK. But dehydration seems like more of a generic word a person might use to describe what the power does, whereas "water vampire" is the technical name the company uses for someone who has the power, just like it uses the name "empath" for someone with Peter's power. I would tend to think that when a canon source indicates that one of the experts on special abilities in the Heroes universe, such as company members and the Sureshes, has systematized and named powers, then our articles should defer to those names. Why should it matter if the power is used at night or day?--E rowe 17:42, 7 August 2007 (EDT)
        • I don't care too much one way or the other, but I personally think that "dehydration" is a better term, and that "water vampire" should be mentioned in the notes. In fact, I'll add it to the notes right now. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:58, 7 August 2007 (EDT)
          • That's a good approach. I probably should have just done that. As long as our article mentions the company's nomenclature it gives the vital information regardless of its title.--E rowe 18:06, 7 August 2007 (EDT)

Rename: Rapid Dehydration

It would, by the naming conventions, be more accurate, since in the first comic of the series, it states: 'special' whose ability to rapidly dehydrate...

It also removes the "Descriptive" from the thing up above that says why we chose the name.--Riddler 23:53, 3 January 2008 (EST)

  • Sounds reasonable to me. (Admin 23:56, 3 January 2008 (EST))
  • The "rapid" seems unnecessary, although it's used in the novel. Rapid in "rapid cell regeneration" is important because everyone can regenerate cells. I can't dehydrate things, rapidly or otherwise. And even without the "rapid", it's still a near-canon description. "Dehydration" comes from "rapidly dehydrate" just as much as "rapid dehydration" does.--Hardvice (talk) 00:00, 4 January 2008 (EST)
    • True, but if he wants to change all the instances of Dehydration to Rapid Dehydration would you have any problem with it? I personally don't think it's worth the work and don't want to bother renaming it, but if someone wants to tackle changing all the instances of Dehydration to Rapid Dehydration I personally wouldn't mind and the naming convention doesn't seem to prevent it. (Admin 00:03, 4 January 2008 (EST))
      • I'm not strongly opposed. I just don't think it makes any difference, and I tend to favor shorter, clearer names, instead of needlessly biggified ones.--Hardvice (talk) 00:12, 4 January 2008 (EST)
        • I don't think Claire or Adam have any control over how rapidly they regenerate cause it's a mostly passive ability. However, Rollo Fusor's accomplice does seem able to control dehydration's speed as she doesn't kill Haram the first time we see her dehydrate him, so I'm not sure "rapid" is always appropriate. It is canon, though, so I don't disagree with using it as long as we note that.--MiamiVolts (talk) 01:23, 4 January 2008 (EST)