Talk:Disintegration

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Source/Explanation
"Disintegration" describes what Tom is able to do.
Archives Archived Topics
Apr 2009-May 2009 moved dissent discussion involving oppos
May 2009-Oct 2009

Rename discussion

Since people no longer pay attention to the counter-arguments left in the consensus check above, I'll summarize them here, in an attempt to restart the rename discussion process:

  1. Crumbling was deemed "too close to crumpling", which was countered since precognition and precognitive dreaming are also particularly similar. The original opposer then neglected to leave a comment. Same thing happened with the arguments of the name being inaccurate, and too informal. Both these arguments were countered, and then never justified. The point is, there hasn't been a completely valid justification that invalidates this name.
  2. Object breakdown was deemed by one person to "not sound right when it is said out loud". Perhaps others might agree with this reason, but personally I think it's a bit foolish of us to reject names based on how they sound; accuracy is what we've after. And to me, "object breakdown" is a completely accurate name, although others might disagree. Furthermore, I don't even think it sounds that bad.
  3. Disintegration was rejected by multiple people for being inaccurate, specifically because disintegration "implies that nothing is left". However, someone came along and posted the definition of "disintegration" from several sources:
o Although many of you view disintegration as leaving nothing behind, by definition from several sources, "disintegration" means: 
  1. - (break into parts or components or lose cohesion or unity; "The material disintegrated"; "the group disintegrated after the leader died")(http://www.synonym.com/definition/disintegrate/)
  2. - 6. a gradual falling into an inferior condition (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/disintegration)
  3. - (as a transitive verb) 2  : to lose unity or integrity by or as if by breaking into parts (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/disintegration) 
Then he warned the community not to confuse "disintegration" with "obliteration" (which was what those who rejected the name were doing), but no one responded since the excitement of naming the ability had passed. Personally I believe this is the best name for the ability. --Radicell 21:34, 6 November 2009 (EST)

Yes let it be disintegration as you know i like moving pages so when you do change it, please send me a message and summary and i'll move it(sorry for being a bit pushy but moving pages is fun)If you don't want me to it's okay just don't send any messages about me making random statements or anything.--jbennett338 14:11, 7 November 2009 (EST)

  • I agree. Disintegration is the most accurate description of this ability.--D and d 123 11:27, 29 April 2010 (EDT)
  • It has been a day, with no objections raised to the name. Can it be changed now?--Ratclaws 21:21, 7 November 2009 (EST)
    • Did we even have a legit consensus? -Vampirate68 | Talk | Contribs | 21:26, 7 November 2009 (EST)
      • I asked Ryan because we have as much info about this ability as we do Trevor's. I just wanna be sure it is ok to. I know we have no objections, but still, good to have administrator input.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 21:29, 7 November 2009 (EST)
        • This seems viable, everyone is in agreement. There is consensus here - Jenx222 | U / T / C 04:31, 8 November 2009 (EST)
          • I agree, I've always liked this name -- By Danko CH 10:47, 8 November 2009 (EST)
            • Also agree. It is disintegrated. --mc_hammark 10:49, 8 November 2009 (EST)
              • ya I thought that it was a bad fit at first when I read the sudjestion but then I looked up the word and it seems to fit perfectly 11:14 8 November 2009
  • I was asked to put my input on this page again. I'm pretty much in favor of most of the names I've heard: "crumbling", "collapsing", "disintegration"...these all sound fine to me. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:28, 8 November 2009 (EST)
  • So are we all happy to move it to disintegration? - Jenx222 | U / T / C 18:09, 8 November 2009 (EST)
    • 10 votes I think and no objections...I'd say so.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 18:30, 8 November 2009 (EST)

Yatta! Tom's ability is finally and officially disintegrated! Green.gif AltesUTC CH

Hey Me Again!

User:Shadowulf1 14:02, 13 November 2009 (EST) Don't worry, I'm not here to be controversial, the name is great; bout time y'all named it! But don't you find it a bit troublesome to keep Disintegration and Disintegration Touch (which should really be called Disintegrating Touch) separate? I think you should put Felicia's ability on this page too, and simply say that disintegration can be manifested as the way Tom does it (a motion of the hands) or the way Felicia does it (a disintegrating energy manifested through the hands)...

  • Problem with that is...we don't actually know what Disintegration Touch does, so far all we know is that she has an orange glow around her hand. --mc_hammark 14:04, 13 November 2009 (EST)
    • Plus, in Career Choices, Felicia says she has a "disintegration touch". -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 14:07, 13 November 2009 (EST)
      • You guys named it instead of someone stupid saying "w3l it k4nt b cald dis3ntygrat1n cause its a dumb name" and someone taking them seriously and creating a big debate!!! YAY!!!!!!--Uncanny474 15:49, 16 November 2009 (EST)

Omnipotence

Although many people seem to think that Sylar can now snap his fingers and make someone breakdown into a thousand pieces, I'd just like to point out that we only saw the ability used on a 3 inch high figurine. Sure, Tom thought he could break down Sylar, but we don't know whether this is true or not. For all we know, he might only be able to "disintegrate" someone if they were standing still, or three inches tall, or ceramic, or if it was tuesday, or whatever. Furthermore, I'm not sure why we were able to name this ability if we only saw him use it on a ceramic figure, but we couldn't name Trevor's ability because he only used it on glass. Sure, Tom implied he could break down Sylar, but Trevor actually tried to use his ability on Sylar, which implies the same thing. Just thinking out loud I suppose.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 19:06, 24 December 2009 (EST)

Double name change

There is some discussion on the talk page for Gordon's ability, trying to give it a name, and one such name is "disintegration". As is obvious, Tom's ability and Gordon's ability are very different. However, Gordon's ability seems to align with many classical definitions of disintegration, whereas Tom's ability is not exactly a disintegration. I would like to propose a name change for Tom's ability. My own suggestion would be crumbling, but obviously there is lots of room for discussion. Thoughts? --Ricard Desi (t,c) 16:23, 7 January 2010 (EST)

  • Ideally, this should be renamed Tom's ability because all we saw him do was shatter a ceramic figure (see above statement). However, I doubt anyone is going to go for that, so I'm fine with crumbling as a name.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 16:29, 7 January 2010 (EST)
    • As you can all see some sections above, I suggested crumbling when this ability first appeared. I have yet to see a good argument against this name. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 07:28, 9 January 2010 (EST)
      • I've noticed that definitions seem to do a good job of convincing people, and the defintions I found for "crumbling" are "break or fall apart into small fragments, cause (something) to break apart into small fragments, disintegrate gradually over a period of time". So crumbling may be an appropriate name. Disintergration may have been chosen simply because it's "cooler".--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 13:20, 9 January 2010 (EST)
  • My problem is that a writer told us that Gordon's ability was to turn things into sand. I don't see why it's so difficult to come up with a name that says he turns things into sand. To me, Disintegration wouldn't be appropriate for Gordon's ability.--OutbackZack 14:45, 9 January 2010 (EST)
    • Actually I take that back since I took a moment to look at the definition of Disintegration. I'm for the double name change now. --OutbackZack 14:48, 9 January 2010 (EST)
      • Which definition are you looking at? I don't see one that mentions sand. Also, it should be noted that there was somewhat of a poll above and that is why the name being used for Tom's ability is currently 'disintegration'. I don't see this changing unless there is some new information presented.--MiamiVolts (talk) 00:54, 17 January 2010 (EST)

Moved from Gordon's ability talk page

Tom broke down a ceramic figure into bits, we don't actually know whether it would do the same on a person, even if he threatened Sylar. We didn't call Trevor's ability "shattering" because it isn't reasonable to believe that Sylar could shatter into bits like the glass did, so why is it more believable that Tom could "disintegrate" Sylar? Also, as Richard said (see Talk:Gordon's ability#Name?), there are other definitions of disintegrate.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 22:10, 16 January 2010 (EST)

  • It makes more sense for things in general to be disintegrated than it is for flesh to be shattered. The only way flesh shatters is when it is frozen, as Tracy showed us. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 22:16, 16 January 2010 (EST)
    • My point was that we only saw Tom use his power on a ceramic figure, yet now that it's called disintegration everyone seems to assume Sylar can snap his fingers and turn someone into dust. We have no way of knowing whether that's true or not. "Shatter" is defined as "break or cause to break suddenly and violently into pieces", so why does it make more sense for something to fall into pieces gently rather then violently?--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 22:23, 16 January 2010 (EST)
  • I just copied the above discussion from Talk:Gordon's ability, as I think it applies more here. I agree that we don't know whether Sylar/Tom could use the ability on organic matter, and the content of the 'Disintegration' article states that... But with regards of the analogy to Trevor's ability, I think PJDEP is off base. We came up with "glass breaking" cause "I can break glasses" was used to describe Trevor's ability, but it would be hard to call the ability "glass breaking" since it appears it could be used on people, which are not made of glass. We later got a BTE comment that Trevor's ability was “pointing your finger and making glasses explode.” So shattering remained a possible name among others, but we were not able to agree on a single name (this was before we began using opposition instead of favoritism and polls if there was more than one valid name).--MiamiVolts (talk) 00:54, 17 January 2010 (EST)

Reasons for Disintegration

"Disintegration" more accurately describes the ability than "crumbling." Also, "crumbling" would easily be confused with crumpling.--Boycool42 16:17, 21 March 2010 (EDT)

  • I disagree. If you look closely at what happens to the ceramic figure, it does appear to crumble into chunks moreso than disintegrate into dust. --Ricard Desi 16:41, 21 March 2010 (EDT)
    • Definition of disintegration: "to separate into parts or lose intactness or solidness; break up; deteriorate"
      • Definition of "crumble": "To fall apart; to disintegrate; to render into crumbs". --Ricard Desi 16:57, 21 March 2010 (EDT)

Also, "crumbling" would still be confused with "crumpling."--Boycool42 16:44, 21 March 2010 (EDT)