Talk:Dr. Witherson

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Dr. Withers

We're waiting for closed caption confirmation that her name is "Witherson". All of the pre-episode publicity called her "Withers", and it kind of sounds like she says "Dr. WithersandI'm a psychiatrist" instead of "Dr. Witherson. I'm a psychiatrist". Also, there are several other pages which would need to be updated, starting with the portals. If and when we change her, we'll need to move the page first, then update the links and text.--Hardvice (talk) 00:59, 1 February 2007 (EST)

  • The psychiatrist's name is actually Dr. Witherson, not Dr. Withers. If you listen when she says her name, you almost miss it, but you can hear her say "son" at the end of her name. If you check NBC's "Heroes" page, you'll also see that her name appears there as "Witherson".
  • Actually, I'm pretty sure she says is "My name is Dr. WithersandI'm a psychiatrist". The lack of a pause makes it sound like "Witherson". As for the NBC.com caption ... well, they said D.L. was the Haitian in a caption for Hiros, so it's safe to assume they're usually smoking crack. But if anybody has access to closed captioning, we can double check.--Hardvice (talk) 02:47, 31 January 2007 (EST)
    • Although now that I can relisten to it with headphones, it does sound kind of like "Witherson". Hmmm.--Hardvice (talk) 03:17, 31 January 2007 (EST)
      • That's a tough call. Relistening to the episode (thanks Hardvice!), it's hard to tell. Anybody have closed captioning? There was a spoiler that called her Dr. Withers, too. Where did that come from? - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 08:05, 31 January 2007 (EST)
        • The character was referred to as Dr. Withers in trailers and spoilers. As far as the NBC thing goes: haha, yeah that definitely puts some question to their ability to get the cast names right, however that was a mislabeled picture-- as far as character names go, they haven't gotten those wrong yet (e.g., calling Claire "Bennett" instead of "Bennet". On the NBC site in one of the picture galleries it says "Niki decides to work with Dr. Witherson to help assure a future between her and her son. Dr. Witherson asks to speak with Jessica. When Niki refuses, the doctor threatens that she won't see Micah for a long time if she doesn't cooperate." (nbc.com) My guess is that they had the name "Withers" chosen for the doctor earlier, but decided on "Witherson" during filming, which really isn't too uncommon a thing! - Vangogh414 (talk) 09:10, 31 January 2007 (EST)
          • They have a link up right now to an interview with Ali Larter talking about her character -- "Nikki". Oh, NBC...--Hardvice (talk) 12:29, 31 January 2007 (EST)
      • I listened to it again and I'm pretty sure she says "Dr. Witherson." I also checked my the initial version of the synopsis I added here and I had Witherson there, too, so I heard Witherson both times. On the other hand I see plenty of references to Dr. Withers in other places and don't see references to Dr. Witherson. Hmm. (Admin 09:22, 31 January 2007 (EST))
        • So maybe it should say "Dr. Withers/Witherson" . . . everybody wins! Hooray-- we ALL get to be the hero of the hour! :D -Vangogh414 (talk) 20:06, 31 January 2007 (EST)
          • Or we could just wait and see what the transcript from the closed captioning says.--Hardvice (talk) 16:37, 3 February 2007 (EST)
            • Hving spent many years studying TV-series in detail, I have learned that the people doing close3d captioning do it by listening to what is said, not by reading a script. So they have no better info than we do. So unless you get an interview with someone responsible detailing hner name, it ain't canon. -- Cuardin 12:40, 4 February 2007 (EST)
            • Hopefully tomorrow's episode will include her and her name will be repeated, if not included on the credits. (Admin 12:45, 4 February 2007 (EST))
              • Yeah, rewatching the episode, I had a sinking feeling over and over that it's going to be Witherson. Tons of fixes, eh? — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:30, 5 February 2007 (EST)
                • Not too many, actually. I switched it over because the transcript is up and lists her as "Witherson". If she says "Withers" tonight, we can always switch it back. But it's only about a dozen pages.--Hardvice (talk) 15:38, 5 February 2007 (EST)
                  • Yeah, I saw your edits (drat!) I think I just felt like it was more because everytime I would type "Withers", I thought great, I'm going to have to change this soon...RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:04, 5 February 2007 (EST)

Dead or alive?

  • I just changed the article to say Jessica "attacked" Dr. Witherson rather than "killed" her. She looked like she was in terrible shape and I would have assumed she was dead, but I'm pretty sure I saw her move the time Niki got a good look at her. Any confirmation whether she's dead or alive... or did others see her move as well, or is it just me? :) (Admin 00:27, 6 February 2007 (EST))
    • I agree that she's still alive, although she could very easily be dead soon. --Fcphantom 00:29, 6 February 2007 (EST)
      • Oh, I guess I just assumed. Yeah, that's fine, we can leave it as attacks. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:33, 6 February 2007 (EST)
        • I'm thinking not even Linderman could get her out of jail if she murdered somebody while in prison. Although the fact that he could get her out when she near-murdered her is still impressive...--Hardvice (talk) 01:54, 6 February 2007 (EST)
          • I'm sure it'll be revealed that Linderman has the power to make others suspend belief. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 02:00, 6 February 2007 (EST)
    • Interestingly, in the commentary, Milo V. and Zachary Quinto can't tell if she's dead or not either.--Hardvice (talk) 06:29, 6 February 2007 (EST)
      • She's either alive... or the body was a prop that someone managed to kick and cause to move. heh. I could swear when she moves that I can see her mouth move as well... as she's mumbling incoherently. (Admin 06:34, 6 February 2007 (EST))
        • Didn't she moan a bit as well? I definately thought I heard something. -- Cuardin 01:31, 8 February 2007 (EST)
          • I thought I heard her moan or mumble originally, too, but upon watching it over and over I believe it was just a vocal component to the music playing during the scene. Though I can't be 100% sure. (Admin 01:52, 8 February 2007 (EST))


Beaten, Struck, or only Tazered

In the episode the only hard cannon evidence I can see is the doc is unconscious (if she was dead Niki would still be locked up for that murder) and convulsing from multiple repeated tazer shocks (a single one shouldn't have burned the clothing like that). We can see no other signs of injury and have not seen what Jessica had done.

Also the term "beaten" infers a prolonged beating of a person, although it can also be the past tense for being hit in a fight. This slight ambiguity is why I split the two extremes and put possibly beaten. She was likely hit, but if Jessica wanted to beat the doc, there was no reason with her superhuman(?) strength to shock her to make her unconscious.Especially if she did it for the theory I posted that she just did it to use the cell phone to call Mr. Linderman to make a deal.--WolvenSpectre 18:16, 11 February 2007 (EST)

  • I agree that there's little evidence to say anything other than "tazered".--Hardvice (talk) 18:52, 11 February 2007 (EST)
    • Did you see her hand, twisted and broken? You're right, I guess she could have fallen on it, but that's not Jessica's m.o.. I don't mind taking out "beaten" since there is no hard evidence ... I can't wait (or I hope) to see the state she's in tomorrow night. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 19:08, 11 February 2007 (EST)
      • Yeah, her hand is bent awkwardly in next to the cell phone. Of course, she could have fallen on it. She could have held it up to defend herself and had it broken accidentally. Since we didn't see the beat-down, all we know is that she is covered in tazer burns and has a broken wrist. There's really only one explanation for the tazer burns, so I'm comfortable making the leap to "Jessica shocked her", but there's not enough evidence to presume Jessica broke her wrist (which she could have done without beating her). Also, I don't think we see her again. All of the spoilers said she was only in two episodes, and now that Niki's free, she's kind of a moot point.--Hardvice (talk) 19:32, 11 February 2007 (EST)
        • No, I'm not saying we'll see her again, but I think they'll mention her name and/or status again. Or at least I hope — I'd like to find out what happened to that nice little grief counselor from Little Miss Sunshine. And I agree, it's speculation to say she was beaten. Obvious, but speculation. ... I thought that was the broken tazer next to her, not a cell phone. Oh well. No need to reply. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:02, 11 February 2007 (EST)
          • Rumours that I have read online, mind you no source is sited, is that the actress put in such a strong preformance and had chemistry with Ali Larter that they are going to bring her back for a short run at the end of the season or into the next. Being that the Niki character is a recovering alcoholic and follows the 12 steps I can see her doing the apologizing and accepting responsibility for the attack, but would the doc still be the tough professional self confident woman or would she be an emotional frightened wreck in need of a "hero"?--WolvenSpectre 22:38, 11 February 2007 (EST)
    • broken hand... I don't remember that. Great now I have to reload that damn Distractions file again. Oh woe is me I have to watch Heroes again for whatever shall I do ;) .--WolvenSpectre 19:13, 11 February 2007 (EST)
      • Ah yeah, her wrist is broken and/or dislocated. It looks like like the doc was pinned using a reverse pin wrist lock. The person is pinned on their knees or stomach by grabbing the hand from behind, twisting the arm until the elbow locks, then the wrist is lifted until higher than the scapula. Then by quickly pushing forward and down while keeping the elbow and wrist locked the victim becomes pinned and cannot move without injury and a great deal of pain. Being tazered into convulsions in this position could dislocate your shoulder and wrist and may break your arm in a spiral fracture and break the smaller bones in the wrist.

        Mind you this is speculation, but if the effects and stunt guys had any experience with Martial Arts Films, they could know this and made the effect accordingly. --WolvenSpectre 22:38, 11 February 2007 (EST)

Removal of The Doctor's photo (after the attack)

I was just wondering why the image, cropped to hide her worst injury but still showing the TASER wounds was removed. I thought it was both relevent and appre po, not to mention tastefully done. Someone could have posted somthing much more graphic and sensational.

I just thought that I would ask before reinstating it and starting a back and forth over it.--WolvenSpectre 02:37, 10 March 2007 (EST)

  • Did you see Ryan's edit summary? (Admin 02:43, 10 March 2007 (EST))
  • If you want it back, that's fine, I won't remove it. But it was really throwing off the layout of the page on a few viewers. It'd be one thing if there was more history, but this pic was running into the bottom of the page -- it was odd.... We generally try to have galleries for articles (with the exception of episode articles and main characters, it seems). I started to look for another good pic of Witherson, but I got lazy. :) Anyway, the pic is still on Jessica's victims, where it makes the most sense. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 02:47, 10 March 2007 (EST)
    • I accidentally missed the first line of it, only saw the part about the "Withers" note being corrected, I was going to do it myself but was busy. I didn't think it was throwingoff layout, but I could have missed that too.

      I think that having images in multiple places as long as it is relevant to both articles, is a good thing. Just because some people might read only a singl article and not follow it up by taking it further to other articles to see the image (or other resource).

      By the way did I mention I was half blind? Maybe thats why I missed that...

      Well thats my story and I'm sticking to it.--WolvenSpectre 03:02, 10 March 2007 (EST)

      • I agree that an image can be used in multiple places (see here), that wasn't the reason I took off the image. If you want to get another pic of Dr. Witherson, go for it -- then we can add a gallery. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 03:06, 10 March 2007 (EST)
    • I use Opera 9.0, Firefox 2.0, and (ugh) IE 6.x. I have visited this page with all three and have never seen what you described. What are you using??

      PS: stop posting while I am writing my posts! ;P....--WolvenSpectre 03:08, 10 March 2007 (EST)

      • It's probably less browser-dependent and more resolution-dependent. At least, most image flow problems on Wikis are; I didn't see this specific one.--Hardvice (talk) 03:19, 10 March 2007 (EST)
        • It was pushing the Quotes and Notes over, and was squishing it all up against the infobox, like a pizza pie held on its side. Please forgive my poor similes, I'm tired, and heading to bed. :) — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 03:44, 10 March 2007 (EST)
          • Yeah, I went back in the history and saw what you meant. Personally, I really dislike left-aligned images unless they're in the middle of a really long section (like a synopsis) because they always mess up the alignment of the section headings.--Hardvice (talk) 03:54, 10 March 2007 (EST)
    • re: Galleries: There's no policy against having galleries on any sort of article, but I actually wish we had a lot fewer galleries than we do. Wikipedia (and I think Lostpedia as well) has run into copyright problems with "gratuitous" image galleries, as opposed to images that are necessary to illustrate the article. Parts of the fair use test consider both the portion of the work being used and the viability of other means of conveying the concept apart from base copying. It's not an actual problem, just something that makes me a bit nervous.--Hardvice (talk) 03:52, 10 March 2007 (EST)