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Stub

What else needs to be added? The eclipse only occurred in one episode, I don't understand what else needs to be added.--Bob 15:41, 30 March 2007 (EDT)

  • It doesn't need anything else. When I added the stub, it was a pretty anemic article. It's since been beefed up and standardized, and the stub tag was never removed. I'll do so now. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:23, 30 March 2007 (EDT)
  • Since we have witnessed two eclipses, one in 2006 and one in 1671, should we (1) add the 1671 date to the info box or (2) make two eclipse event articles?

We've actually witnessed three eclipses, mystery poster. And this article is about solar eclipses in general.--ERROR 19:36, 20 June 2009 (EDT)

Gives them powers? Huh?

The ad after Villains said the eclipse gave them their powers. I was pretty sure everyone was seen using them before it occurred...so, was the ad just wrong like they so often are or what? --Golden Monkey 18:53, 11 November 2008 (EST)

...I don't think the ads are wrong as often as you say. And anyway, this is a major theory on Theory:Eclipse, and we can't really say anything else about it right now, so maybe it's just best to wait until next week's episode. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 18:55, 11 November 2008 (EST)

Based on the promo, think of it as an environmental factor that makes the powers "kick in". Intuitive Empath 19:02, 11 November 2008 (EST)
I was referring to TV ads in general, not just with Heroes. :P Seriously, I've grown distrustful of them ever since Lost ads began to claim the next episode has "ALL THE ANSWERS" when it really just tells us how Jack got his tattoos...--Golden Monkey 17:54, 13 November 2008 (EST)

Yeah, so given tonight's episode... I'm kind of wary about all this eclipse business. You do bring up a good point about how everyone's abilities manifested before the eclipse happened. But when the eclipse happened... I think everyone realized on that day that they had abilities. Except possibly Matt... I don't know, there's a lot of holes in the eclipse stuff... hopefully it'll be cleared up somewhat soon... Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 23:04, 24 November 2008 (EST)

Solar Eclipse

Should we move this page to solar eclipse since that's the type of eclipse that is mentioned throughout the series? --  PinkKeith (talk) 14:15, 19 November 2008 (EST)

  • That wouldn't be incorrect, I think we can. Intuitive Empath 15:01, 19 November 2008 (EST)
  • I wouldn't have a problem with that either. That being said, I wonder what kind of effect lunar eclipses would have on the heroes' abilities... hmmm.... Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 22:59, 24 November 2008 (EST)
    • Perhaps the opposite, and amplify all their powers. Dracomaster4 18:24, 8 December 2008 (EST)

The writers said--jokingly-- that a lunar eclipse will turn the Heroes into children. Or maybe it would dampen/amplify their abilities, since a solar eclipse activates/deactivates abilities.

Personally, I say a lunar eclipse should take away abilities, and a solar eclipse should give them away.--ERROR 13:45, 15 June 2009 (EDT)

2007 total eclipses...

...do not exist. Like with the supposed 1671 eclipse, there was no total solar eclipse in 2007. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 22:54, 24 November 2008 (EST)

  • ...which doesn't matter as they are obviously being used as dramatic devices. seriously. if 'things making sense' comes into conflict with what the writers think of as 'making a good story' what will win? a child knows the answer. --Dumpster juice 23:05, 24 November 2008 (EST)
    • There's no need to be rude. (that seems to be a common theme for me today!) I was merely stating the fact. It's interesting. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 23:06, 24 November 2008 (EST)
      • not my intention, doy m'juh --Dumpster juice 23:08, 24 November 2008 (EST)

Don't forget, Thrashmeister, solar eclipses aren't visible across the globe, and two eclipses in the span of something like one year--maybe two--is impossible. It's also impossible for it to be daytime across the globe (Although, if it were possible, that would make it a little more plausable for an eclipse to be visible across the "globe..."). It's these facts that are more interesting. Also, Dumpster juice? Doy m'juh?--ERROR 19:35, 20 June 2009 (EDT)

Totality

Totality could not occur in all the locations depicted in the episode (Eclipse, Part I) at the same time. You might be able to stretch it from New York to Lawrence, Odessa would be pushing it. Haiti is just right out. Aapold 10:11, 25 November 2008 (EST)

  • Greg Beeman talks about this in his latest blog entry. He says, "Of course, we all had to get past the un-reality of the event. In real life there would never be a full eclipse visible from all these places on Earth at the same time. Eclipses also never last for this kind of duration." I think the bigger jump in reality, of course, is not that the eclipse can be seen from such distant locations, but that it causes people to have and to not have abilities. :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 11:05, 25 November 2008 (EST)

Safety

In the episode, many characters look up at the eclipse as it happens. I'm sure everyone knows, but just in case, NEVER DO THIS! I think it pretty lousy that they showed people doing this. Aapold 10:11, 25 November 2008

Haha, they actually addressed this before the airing of The Eclipse, Part 2 in those little one-liners that an NBC announcer does to introduce shows; as they were making the transition from Chuck to Heroes, the announcer said something along the lines of "Never stare directly at an eclipse... but feel free to stare at your television 'cuz Heroes is coming up next." It was really corny, but still. :P Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 22:11, 3 December 2008 (EST)
Does an eclipse amplify the suns rays or something? I've glanced at the sun without the moon in front of it with no lasting effect (I know that sounds like I'm stupid but I didnt stare at it) but there seems to be so much more emphasis on a solar eclipse than just the sun. My instinct tells me its just cause no one in their right mind would look at the sun until they went blind, but my need for knowledge wants to confirm it. Dracomaster4 18:26, 8 December 2008 (EST)
Found an explanation in case anyone was interested. http://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/SEhelp/safety2.html The suns luminescence during an eclipse is comparable to twilight, so it wouldn't hurt the eyes, however even if 1% of the photosphere is showing there is still enough ultraviolet radiation to cause retinal burn. HOWEVER, that deals with annular and partial eclipses, the apex of a total solar eclipse is fine to look at so they say. Also, if the eclipse is low to the horizon there's much more atmosphere being penetrated and should be marginally safer to looks at; Thats how the chinese astronomers studied the sun way back when. Dracomaster4 18:30, 8 December 2008 (EST)

The Eclipse, Part 1

Do we really need to say what powers were taken away? WE know it took all of them away. Raiku 20:11, 25 November 2008 (EST)

  • I don't have a strong opinion one way or another as to whether we list the abilities that were affected or if we just say they all were. It's certainly not something to start an edit war over. However, if I were to choose between including a list of powers or not including a list of powers, I would include the list. It's actually a little speculative to say that all the powers were taken away since we haven't seen how the eclipse has affected every single power out there. Even Arthur, who seems to know a lot about a lot, even he wasn't sure what would happen. And my philosophy is that it almost never hurts to include too much information rather than too little. :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:36, 25 November 2008 (EST)
    • Should we bother going through all of the character pages and listing abilities as lost (or at least for the ones we know), considering it'll likely be changed back fairly soon? --Stevehim 20:43, 25 November 2008 (EST)
      • Somebody asked me that earlier today. I don't think we need to. Yet. We're in the middle of the eclipse still, and the middle of a two-part episode. There's a hint that all the powers might come back when the eclipse is over. All we really know is that the powers have been affected, not lost forever. I would wait until the eclipse is over to see the status of the powers. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:49, 25 November 2008 (EST)

The Eclipse must not fully take away powers. Otherwise, how did Adam Monroe survive to be 400+ years old? When Arthur took his ability he crumbled to dust immediately. Ruler 14:40, 28 November 2008 (EST)

I didn't like how he turned to dust. Healing should restore the cells to normal, so if his power was taken, he should then age from that point on, and not age to catch up to what his actual age was. If that was so, when they're powerless, all their wounds that they healed from recently should have popped up again, much like what happened to Wolverine in X-Men 1. And you're also right with the eclipse factor. I thought of it too, he should have been dead after the pilot's eclipse. Just another plot hole. Dracomaster4 18:21, 8 December 2008 (EST)

The science behind the eclipse

Anyone else think we'll never get a real explanation as to why the eclipse affects the heroes' powers? I think that in The Eclipse, Part 2, Mohinder blabbering about all of the numerous possibilities as to the effects of the eclipse was a subtle message to viewers that we'll never know why the eclipse affects evolved humans... and we're not supposed to. Metaphors for the win. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 22:13, 3 December 2008 (EST)

We may get an explanation sometime in the future, maybe not. But I kinda like the idea that none of them are invincible and there is at least one thing out of their control, no matter how outlandish. I'm betting if an explanation does come, it will be in the tracker or something, thats where most of the scientific things pop up anyhow. Dracomaster4 18:18, 8 December 2008 (EST)

Link between the eclipse and abilities - Theory

Although there may not at the moment, and may never be a complete explanation for why the eclipse affected the abilities of the evolved humans, I had a theory to propose. The first thing that came to mind was superman. In the DC universe superman's powers are fed from the rays of a yellow sun, would it seem fitting that maybe the eclipse didn't take away abilities, it simply muffled their manifestation due to a lack of a power source. Consider a person with abilities, for a moment, like a solar panel. You add an eclipse into the equation and the suns rays are almost entirely blocked for a duration of time, in the heroes universe. If the use of their powers were dependent on the continual absorbition of whatever specific energy wavelength the sun emits, then it would carry forward that if those rays were blocked then their powers would cease to function normally. Perhaps the sun is the wall-socket that charges the abilities and the eclipse is a temporary brown out. Just a theory. --Fourletterfame 16:10, 18 February 2009 (EST)

I think you mean blackout. Well-thought out theory, though.--ERROR 13:50, 15 June 2009 (EDT)

I think thats correct, but how would the eclipse awaken abilities? Daevon 15:07, 15 June 2009 (EDT)

What about vampires? --Trevorrrj 05:36, 21 June 2009 (EDT)

--I did mean brown-out, also there isn't much evidence beyond the first episode of the first season, and some tv spots to support the idea that abilities emerge due to an eclipse. There are many examples of abilities manifesting before the eclipse in season 1, as well as Adam who had his ability to heal even as far back as 400 years. I think they've said at least once that the eclipse was a way to unite all the heroes at first. It just struck me as odd, sylar lying dead from having his throat slit, claire lying on the gurney at the hospital dead to the world, until the rays of the sun trickle in and shine upon them. It's the only remotely scientific theory I can think of to explain why the eclipse would cause powers to dissipate. But who knows.Fourletterfame 16:19, 12 September 2009 (EDT)