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Accelerated probability?

I didn't see anywhere in the webisode really that suggested that he had AP. There was of course the orange flash behind SLW, but I was always under the impression that that was Santiago... Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 20:17, 2 December 2008 (EST)

There was the flash sneaking behind her and then the camera moved, showing Edward, Santiago arrived when he was frying her. His electricity even had the orange tone of accelerated probability. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 20:25, 2 December 2008 (EST)

  • I didn't see that as proof of his ability, only that he could run fast. Some have also taken the Part 3 line that Santiago inherited his ability from his father as proof that Edward also had accelerated probability. I don't see that as proof either--Micah inherited his ability from his parents, even though it was different than both of their abilities. I'm not saying Edward didn't have the power, I'm just saying I don't think there's anything conclusive. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:32, 2 December 2008 (EST)
    • The image of Edward sneaking up on the SLW is blurred with the yellowish ting at the edges, the same effect as when Santiago used it to sneak up on Elisa and the same effect that showed when he grabbed the bag of wine bottles. Also, regarding Micah, it is correct to say he inherited the genes for his ability from his parents. That's not the same as saying he inherited the ability itself from his parents. Inheritance of an ability means that the person you inherit from had the ability.--MiamiVolts (talk) 20:56, 2 December 2008 (EST)
  • If I'm not mistaken, the camera zooming along the path of AP's super speed started from the church, where Santiago was. I didn't see any sign of Edward in the church. The way I thought of it was when Santiago ran past SLW, he didn't intend to stop by her, but he saw his dad next to her and stopped a while off, where they couldn't see him. I do believe Santiago also approached his father from a different direction than from the church. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 20:43, 2 December 2008 (EST)
    • Then how do you explain Santiago ending up back where the path originated, by the church, if he had gone by her? We would have to assume he doubled back without us seeing. I think it's more likely the blur was Edward waiting outside the church until he sent his son the text message. Then he ran super fast past behind SLW and stood next to her before she could pull out her gun.--MiamiVolts (talk) 20:56, 2 December 2008 (EST)
      • I thought he didn't end up where the path originated, which was what I said; he approached his father from a different direction than the direction he came from the church. But then again, I'm not sure, I'll have to rewatch the webisode. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 21:01, 2 December 2008 (EST)
        • Okay, I just watched the scene again. I thought that whoever used AP ran past SLW, behind her back. She turned around to look, but nobody was there. She turned around again and Edward appeared. But it turns out she turned around and saw Edward the first time around. This makes Edward having AP more sense, but I'm still kind of wary about it. My main beef with the whole thing is the lightning byproduct... Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 21:04, 2 December 2008 (EST)
          • The only thing that makes sense is that he either has it as a byproduct, like it was with Santiago, or he has IA/EM/PA/AA, which I find unlikely. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 08:45, 3 December 2008 (EST)
            • Didn't SLW say Edward had the same power as Santiago in episode 3? Psilaq Remake 15:38, 3 December 2008 (EST)
              • She said Santiago inherited his gift from Edward, which I understood to mean that Edward had the ability. Edward's use of the ability in part 4 just confirmed it for me, and I've explained a couple theories on how the lightning can be produced on the Talk:Accelerated probability discussion page.--MiamiVolts (talk) 15:59, 3 December 2008 (EST)

Company

Does Edwards casting call mean SLW along with all the other people work for "the" company or for "a" company? We have some conflicting sources about that. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 05:00, 8 December 2008 (EST)

  • "A" company. I don't think the casting call ever says it the Company that we know of. In fact, in a behind-the-scenes video, Adam Armus is pretty clear that she works for "a new organization". -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 08:01, 8 December 2008 (EST)
    • Yeah, it's "A" company. I was hoping they'd name Primatech or Pinehearst, but they didn't name either.--MiamiVolts (talk) 14:15, 8 December 2008 (EST)
      • What about the organization that Linda was working for? That one's still floating around out there. --Piemanmoo 11:37, 11 December 2008 (EST)

Assassin?

I thought Edward quit his job as an assassin. So shouldn't his occupation read ex-assassin?--OutbackZack 19:13, 10 December 2008 (EST)OutbackZack

Dealt with. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 19:24, 10 December 2008 (EST)

Edward's ability

I'd like to revisit Edward's ability. (There's a bit of discussion about it here, here, and probably here, but I'm not sure to be honest.) I think it's very speculative of us to say that he has the ability of accelerated probability with electric manipulation and super speed as byproducts. Normally when we don't know what the ability is, and we can't easily describe it easily in a short phrase, we call it "So-and-so's ability". I think that's the case here. Who is to say that accelerated probability is his main ability and that the others are byproducts? I think we're using Santiago as a model, and there's nothing to suggest that we should. I know Santiago was told that he inherited his ability from Edward, but ability heredity never guarantees that the same ability is passed on. I also know there are some theories out there about how accelerated probability can cause electric manipulation as a byproduct--and they're great theories--but they're just theories. I keep hearing people saying things like "But how do you explain this?" or "How do you explain that?" We can't, and that's exactly the point. We can't easily explain how he can do all that he can do, at least not without speculating and making huge leaps of assumptions (and leaps of logic, sometimes!)...I think we need to scale back and simply call his power "Edward's ability". In the mean time, I've emailed Adam Armus and Kay Foster to get some more information. I'm not sure what will come of it, but I'll of course let y'all know what I find out. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 10:48, 11 December 2008 (EST)

  • I think the last thing we need right now is more "Person's Ability". As long as we have some idea of what they do (shatter glass, shoot red electricity, remove poisons) we should only use the person's name as a very last resort. --Piemanmoo 11:36, 11 December 2008 (EST)
    • Why don't we "need" something that says "Edward's ability"? I think the last thing we need is speculation and theorizing to name articles and abilities. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 12:58, 11 December 2008 (EST)
      • But it's been said explicitly that Santiago has accelerated probability, which Edward would also appear to have (and then some). --Ricard Desi 13:03, 11 December 2008 (EST)
        • I agree with keeping accelerated probability as the name and that the inheritance and usage are justification enough (I realize Ryan disagrees with me on this). Anyways, Ryan looks to be interviewing the writers so we'll likely get some clarification soon enough. Thanks Ryan!--MiamiVolts (talk) 13:57, 11 December 2008 (EST)
      • I agree. I think there's more evidence that he has some kind of empathic mimicry than there is that he has accelerated probability. Right now the information here is speculative and dangerously at risk of being outright incorrect. It should be changed to Edward's ability pending some kind of actual confirmation. We shouldn't wait for confirmation and leave potentially incorrect information in place. Instead we should change it to something less definite and then wait for confirmation. (Admin 19:17, 19 December 2008 (EST))
        • Excellent point, Admin. Thank you for pointing that out so clearly and obviously. I'll take care of it now. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 14:38, 20 December 2008 (EST)
          • I get removing Edward from AC, but should he still be listed as having super speed and electric manipulation as a part of another ability, like Daphne, though not as a byproduct? At least on the super speed matter, there is consistency in the effects from Edward and Santiago's running. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 15:10, 20 December 2008 (EST)
            • If I'm understanding it correctly (and I'm not sure I am  ;)), I think it's similar to Mohinder not being listed on the enhanced strength page. Edward has the ability to generate electricity and run really fast, but those attributes stem from his ability, not from electric manipulation and super speed. Of course, depending on what one believes about how empathic mimicry works, a similar argument could be made that Peter should be delisted from all of the powers, and that it's the mimicry that's actually working (though I ascribe to the idea that the mimicry gives him the power rather than actively duplicates it)... --Stevehim 15:16, 20 December 2008 (EST)

Connection with the Company.

  • According to this summary of Behind the Eclipse Edward was with the Company for a while:

8) From the Destiny Webisode, they explain that Santiago's father Edward has been with the Company a while and that is how he might have his multiple abilities.

Now I'm not sure if we can say he worked for them as an assassin or not. The reason I brought this up is because it remember people discussing whether or not Edward and the SLW was part of the Primatech "Company" and not just some new company. --OutbackZack 16:39, 11 December 2008 (EST)OutbackZack

  • The original source is probably better than a summary that is flawed. As hard a worker as The ODI is (props to him!), he sometimes makes mistakes, as we all do. What Kay Foster and Adam Armus (via Joe Pokaski and Aron Coleite) said was "Santiago's father has been with the organization for a long time." I think they've been very specific in never calling the organization "Primatech" or "The Company" or anything that might lead people to believe that SLW and Edward are in any way tied to the organization for which Noah and Angela work. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:13, 11 December 2008 (EST)

Edwards ability (II)

I dont think electrical manipulation is a bi product. Speed maybe as it is exibited in santiago and i can half understand that as seing in slow motion but electrical manipulation is totally unrelated. I think its totally possible that Edward has both accelerated probability and electrical manipulation. Santiago could also have two abilities such a super speed and accelerated probability. Also, kaito Nakamura had accelerated probability and being an experienced older member of the company you would think he'd have advanced well in his ability althogh he does not exibit any bi products. If he did have bi products he would have likely been capable of escaping adam or besting him with electrical manipulation before he died.

  • We're waiting for confirmation from the writers, but I think it's okay to leave it as-is at least till they reply to our questions.--MiamiVolts (talk) 15:17, 18 December 2008 (EST)
    • Is it possible that his electric manipulation is just MASSIVE static electricity? Kidding... of course ^.^ Anomy 16:31, 18 December 2008 (EST)
      • Super speed has been confirmed to be a byproduct, and massive static electricity happens to be the most accepted theory, at least that I've seen in the wiki. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:19, 18 December 2008 (EST)
  • I wonder if the reason his ability has been shown as very different form Elle's to imply they arent the same ability. could his ability be some form of plasma manipulation

Shoyru1177 15:50, 20 December 2008 (EST)

His lightning ability

Is a bunch of crap some writer wannabe came up. He and his son do not have energy producing powers but biological enhancements like fast thinking and fast moving. You cannot have a bi-product of such power from something totally unrelated. It's like the Human Torch being able to walk through walls. You could find a pretty good explanation but COMMON!? - Discipol

  • I'm with you on this one. There is to big of a difference between the two.-- Catalyst · Talk · HL 09:39, 24 April 2009 (EDT)
    • I'm not sure I would call Adam Armus and Kay Foster "writer wannabes" since they are a full part of the writing staff, and are supervising producers of Heroes. They also explained here that Edward's power has evolved, and they opened the question of it possibly being a natural occurrence through evolution, or possibly being a result of having been manipulated by the organization. It's also not the first time that two unrelated powers seem to merge. Matt can paint the future and cast illusions, which are evolutions of his power and the spiritual journey on which he's been. I agree that having that electrical ability would not have been my first choice had I written Edward's character, but it certainly has raised very good debate questions about Edward's backstory. I don't think it's fair to look just at the end result, but to imagine how he got to have that odd byproduct. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 11:13, 24 April 2009 (EDT)
      • It still looks pretty random that a passive ability would generate electricity, and still his abilities are probably temporal/mental rather than elemental. I really hate the cgi on the lightning, looks like a ball of effects from different tutorial sites...They may had good writers, but a crappy director. - Discipol

FINALLY tying back into the story

From the look of Hiro's latest blog post, we just might finally get to see how Edward, Santiago, SLW, and everyone here fit into the overall story. --Ricard Desi 17:11, 20 April 2010 (EDT)