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First Appearance

Doyle's first appearance was in The Butterfly Effect.

Eric Doyle waddles away from Level 5.jpg

-- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:18, 4 October 2008 (EDT)

On the spolier for Heroes, it says that his power will be mind control. Should it be said now, or wait until the episode?

Power

Seems to me like a good name would be physical manipulation...or Forced Mimicry...or just Puppeteering

  • I'd go with Puppetry only because the preview for the next episode called him the Puppet Master.--Riddler 22:12, 13 October 2008 (EDT)
    • Yeah, that's where I got the idea. But I don't know, it doesn't seem scientific enough, if you know what I mean
  • I did confirm that he was nicknamed the puppetmaster weeks ago. His ability is a form of mind control. He controls the mind though effects the body's responses. His ability is similar to telepathy though he does not effect ones emotions or thoughts. He just controls the brain's response to movement.--ACDC1989 06:21, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
    • Are you quoting your cousin, or are you paraphrasing him? Who exactly is your cousin? -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 06:40, 14 October 2008 (EDT)

When was he locked up in Level 5?

The graphic novel opens "two years ago" which would be 2005 based on the series' present being 2007, but then a couple pages later, October 2006 is identified as being "two years later" from that, which would imply that Doyle was locked up in 2004. My only idea is that they fudged the date knowingly figuring late October 2004 is close enough to 2005 that they could just round down to "two years." - Only3Penguins

the mark

The categories say that Eric has the mark, but his Assignment Tracker doesn't mention any marks or scars on him. Did I miss a scene where you could see it on his neck or something?--Piemanmoo 23:06, 11 December 2008 (EST)

Noah injected him with a pneumatic syringe after Claire took him out. I'm actually doubting this a bit; I don't think that was the same syringe that causes marks, but a mere tranquilizer. I'd have to rewatch the episode to be sure. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 23:08, 11 December 2008 (EST)
  • It was a trank, not a pneumatic syringe. He doesn't have the mark. ~~ Darmenos 22:42, 11 December 2008 (EDT)
    • Actually, he does. It was the pneumatic syringe, complete with the double needle on the end and the glowing blue and red/green lights. See here. The assignment trackers don't always list all marks and scars. See Claude's profile, or Jesse's first profile, for example. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:20, 12 December 2008 (EST)
      • Actully, he does. Raiku 00:21, 12 December 2008 (EST)
      • Great! I just looked at the shot you uploaded, and upon a closer look, it is the pneumatic syringe. Initially, I didn't think it was because the blue capsule thing in the back of it isn't really visible when Noah uses the syringe. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 00:22, 12 December 2008 (EST)
        • Yeah, it's a quick shot. There's a frame or two about a second earlier than the shot I uploaded where you can see the serum container. I think this is the first time we've seen the red light turn green, though. I'm glad they resurrected that prop. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:38, 12 December 2008 (EST)
        • ...Damn. Good call, Ryan. ~~Darmenos 23:26, 17 December 2008 (EDT)

Last dance

I was really glad to see Doyle get one last really badass moment on this show, and how better to do that than have him control Sylar? Sent chills down my spine. --Ricard Desi 10:35, 16 December 2008 (EST)

  • Who's saying he's dead?--IotV 17.56, 4 January, 2009 (GMT)

good man

IceGhost78 i like his nickname for claire. very nice

Sylar

Isnt it obvious that sylar sent doyle ? Gabriel Bishop 15:48, 24 March 2009 (EDT)

IceGhost78 this is very debatable my friend, how did sylar find Doyle after Claire helped him, and we didnt see Sylar that entire episode
    • We'd like to wait for something to be confirmed rather than presume. It could have been another Rebel style character that is actually working for Danko, or anyone that is in on the operation: we really have no idea who it is. So wait to see if it is confirmed before editing in what could be conceived as spoilers.-- Tristan0709 talk 04:07, 25 March 2009 (EDT)

Profile Picture

Should we change Eric's picture? This one is kind of creepy, and recently Eric's been a good person, so shouldn't his picture resemble it instead of the creepy guy he used to be? A lot of people have previously gotten picture updates, so why not? But then again, this is a pretty good picture and he could change back to being creepy all over again. I don't know. It's just an idea.--Spexile 20:37, 24 April 2009 (EDT)

  • Seconded and bumped on account of his reformation --SacValleyDweller (talk) 23:53, 29 December 2009 (EST)
    • I definitely agree too. He's not a villain anymore and he doesn't look like that! We shall change the picture. -- Jan Rodrigo (talk) (contributions) 06:20, 30 December 2009 (EST)

His alias

Did Rebel give Doyle his alias Jason Tyminski? I though it was Claire who did that... (Shades of Gray) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 02:28, 5 May 2009 (EDT)

  • Claire may have been the one who gave the fake ID, but Micah would have certainly forged other documents such as social security number and birth certificate. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:22, 5 May 2009 (EDT)

New Power?

I just got done watching Nowhere Man Part 4 and at the end he shuts the door from across the room with his hand. So does he now have telekineses (sp)?--OutbackZack 21:10, 11 May 2009 (EDT)

  • I thought the same, but it could be because he could control objects and people and the door was an object. --TrueBlueBrooklynite 21:12, 11 May 2009 (EDT)
    • Haha that sounds like telekineses then. I guess his power evolved like so many others.--OutbackZack 21:17, 11 May 2009 (EDT)
      • It's not going to be TK. People don't manifest powers for no real reason, especially not one so similar. It's likely Doyle has a more finite control over his Puppet Master now, allowing him to control non-human objects. Most of what PM can do TK can do, and vice-versa. Showing characteristics of TK does not mean he has TK, no more then Matt has Illusion as a seperate power.---Swmystery 03:58, 12 May 2009 (EDT)
        • First, I was under the impression that he moved people by controlling their brain. Second, when it's that close to TK, it's not ability homology, it's the SAME THING. Moving matter with your mind is pretty much the definition of TK. So, now that the distinction that TK is primarily used on objects and Puppet Mastery is strictly for humans gone, what's the difference? How they work? Both brain-based. Effects? The same. Every single thing is the same. So why not call his power TK and move him in with Sylar?--Uncanny474 16:11, 12 May 2009 (EDT)
          • A bit of correction, people can resist what Doyle "makes" them do with his ability, with Sylar's telekinesis they cannot and are not able to resist what Sylar is "making" them do with his power. -Tyr Aires 16:16, 12 May 2009 (EDT)
            • Still doesn't explain the door. The best we can do is widen the definition of his ability. So far, the constant in everything he has done is control the intent movement of a person or object. If they can bend their arm, he can bend their arm for them, if they can walk, he can make them walk where he wants to, if a door can open and close, he can do open and close it at will without touch. He hasn't ripped a person's arms off, thrown them against the wall, torn a door off the hinges, etc. --OutbackZack 17:43, 12 May 2009 (EDT)
              • I wasn't explaining about the door; I was explaining about Uncanny474's post " First, I was under the impression that he moved people by controlling their brain. Second, when it's that close to TK, it's not ability homology, it's the SAME THING. Moving matter with your mind is pretty much the definition of TK. So, now that the distinction that TK is primarily used on objects and Puppet Mastery is strictly for humans gone, what's the difference? How they work? Both brain-based. Effects? The same. Every single thing is the same. So why not call his power TK and move him in with Sylar?" which I corrected because he said every single thing is the same but it is not. - Tyr Aires 17:45, 13 May 2009 (EDT)
                • Tyr Aires- If I am not mistaken, people have resisted Sylar's telekineis just as they have resisted Doyle's abilities. OutbackZack- Sure he uses a different motion to access his power but haven't we seen that before? People access powers in multiple ways. The number one example is Knox and Niki. Knox needed fear to access his power and Niki didn't. Did that mean they didn't have the same power? No. They just accessed it differently. Also, you said that he hasn't ripped arms off and thrown people against a wall. You are forgetting that Sylar can throw people against walls because he has advanced control over it. Bryan Davis started off just moving a glass. If you started at Brian Davis' level and tried to go to Sylar's level of control, how long do you think it would take? Doyle is just starting off as well. Right now he may only think he can control the motor functions of people and objects, but it could evolve into telekinesis. He may only think he can just move people and objects because that's all he thinks he can do. If he just were to try to push someone back like Sylar does, he probably would find that he could. -Vampirate68 12:32, 25 May 2009 (EDT)
                  • Thank you, Vampirate. To sum up/add, people have tried to resist Sylar, but nobody's succeeded. This isn't a mark of TK, but a mark of his control over it. I've thought long and hard about the possibilities of TK, and I've come to the conclusion that Sylar doesn't even have full control--or at least he hasn't excercised it. If he had full control, he could stop movement on a subatomic level, causing Absolute Zero, which we haven't seen... yet. Sylar intuitively understands powers, wheras all other evolved humans must learn by trial and error. So Puppet Master is looking closer and closer to TK. How long before we call them one and the same. ^^Edit^^ Oh, darn. Forgot the signature. Bane of my dang existance. --Uncanny474 19:57, 13 June 2009 (EDT)
                    • Nobody has succeeded in resisting Doyle either. -Vampirate68 22:45, 13 June 2009 (EDT)
                      • Sylar has. And the two abilities would still be different, I don't think Doyle would be able to point at someone's forehead and slice it open. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 15:08, 14 June 2009 (EDT)
                        • I actually do, but not just yet. Skin is part of the body, is it not? If he can make an arm move or a leg kick, couldn't he make skin part?-Vampirate68 22:11, 14 June 2009 (EDT)
                          • What I mean is that Doyle can't make people or objects move in a way they would do naturally. Doyle can make a door close, but can he rip it off its hinges and send it flying at someone with his ability? I don't think he can. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:03, 15 June 2009 (EDT)
                            • I think, that if he really worked at it, he could. It's all about the speed at which he moves the door. -Vampirate68 18:48, 15 June 2009 (EDT)
                              • I'm not saying about making forceful movements, I mean intricate moves like telekinesis. You seriously think Doyle could, say, make it stay floating in the air? Doing the same glass trick Sylar did way back in season one? Summon a parkimeter from afar? Cut things in his own arm? About the skin thing, it makes sense for arms and leg to move, they have articulations, it makes no sense for him to control no articulate things. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 19:01, 15 June 2009 (EDT)
                                • At the moment, it would seem that he couldn't. But only time will tell. Just look at Telepathy. At first it was just mind reading. Now look what it has become. Powers evolve. -Vampirate68 19:06, 15 June 2009 (EDT)
                                  • Telepathy's evolution makes sense, puppet master's don't, at least not to the telekinesis direction, the only way I can see it evolving is by getting stronger, or by Doyle needing less movements to use the ability. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 19:21, 15 June 2009 (EDT)
                                    • I see Puppet Master evolving that way as well, but now that we've seen him directly affect an inanimate object, an evolution towards Telekinesis wouldn't be so far out either. It may never get to the point where they are the same power, but I see it getting pretty close. With two powers that can achieve the same effects, it gets hard to draw the line. -Vampirate68 19:28, 15 June

2009 (EDT) It wont get hard to draw the line as long as the writers keep the story straight and not mess up like they did with shape shifting. Plus, I dont see anyway that these abilities are getting closer together: Doyle can only control joint movements and Sylar can move anything with his mind. Daevon21:31, 15 June 2009 (EDT)

  • If you are to assume that that is all he can do. -Vampirate68 22:38, 16 June 2009 (EDT)
    • Then, thats taking away the point of it being puppet mastery. If they wanted it as telekinesis, they should have just made it telekinesis. Daevon 01:09, 17 June 2009 (EDT)
  • I don't think it's TK, telekinetics can move objects in many ways - levitating them, throwing, shattering (like glass), Doyle just closed the door. I don't think puppet master can do more than that, for example, make a person float in mid-air or rip the door off. That would be too much. -- Altes 03:10, 17 June 2009 (EDT)
  • He dragged Claire backward on her heels in Upon This Rock, didn't he? That had to be TK IMO. There's no way she could have done that herself. DigitalCount 10:32, 6 January 2010 (EST)
    • Doyle's power has always resembled telekinesis, but they've never been exactly the same. Doyle can move people like puppets, which is important to remember. I guess that means he can also drag people around like puppets, not just control their movements. That's the first we've seen him do that...but I don't think it's a new power--just a new aspect of the same power he's always had. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 10:42, 6 January 2010 (EST)

Summary archive

There's no need to create an archive of a character's history if they've only appeared in one season. That's what this page is for. Otherwise we're sending people to another page, and summarizing on this page that which is on another page. Now if Doyle is to appear extensively in another season (say, for S&G, at least four episodes), then the archive page would make complete sense. Ditto if he has a detailed life outside of the episodes (like Rachel Mills). But until that happens, we can leave the history on this page. Likewise, if he appeared or was discussed extensively in previous seasons (like Arthur Petrelli), an archive might be warranted. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:18, 19 August 2009 (EDT)

Someone went ahead and made a summary page because of Doyle's reappearance and potential new material (the upcoming istory and maybe even later episodes) so I went ahead and filled in the recap instead of leaving it as a stub. If this still seems unnecessary or premature, please feel free to change it back, no hard feelings. Thanks for your time. Shallon 21:05, 4 December 2009 (EST)

Doyle's Redemption

I'm very happy that Doyle is being given his own happy ending after all he's been through. Even though he was a villain I really wanted to see things work for him. Hopefully he'll be able to continue on with his sense of belonging after whatever goes down with Samuel. Though I don't agree with Samuel's motives I think that the carnival itself is a necessary and good place. I think more then anything his little screen time exemplifies the theme of this volume (Redemption) more then anything else we've seen so far. I just have one question though - did Samuel find Doyle after the events of Nowhere Man? Or did Nowhere Man happen before Doyle was gifted to Danko by Sylar? Thanks for your time. Shallon 13:03, 1 December 2009 (EST)

  • Whether Nowhere man takes place before or after his gifting to danko is debatable, both finish in a place where samuel could find him. --mc_hammark 13:06, 1 December 2009 (EST)
    • He's getting his own iStory over the break, so that will likely clear things up.--Ratclaws 13:43, 1 December 2009 (EST)
    • It happened after, this was confirmed in a interview with Jim Martin and Timm Keppler. After being given to Danko, Rachel Mills helps him escape in one of the graphic novels, and then Nowhere Man takes place.--PJDEP 19:23, 2 December 2009 (EST)
    • Thank you very much for helping clearing that up. Shallon 14:50, 3 December 2009 (EST)
      • No problem :)--PJDEP 16:57, 5 December 2009 (EST)

Lauren

If Eric joined the carnival, and Lauren is nowhere to be seen, I'm afraid something bad happened. Maybe they broke up, or she could be even dead. Green.gif AltesUTC CH 11:07, 10 December 2009 (EST)

  • They were never dating. Eric most likely felt guilty about his actions at Copy Kingdom, left, and joined the carnival. Thank goodness we'll have The Puppet Master to explain what happened. :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:46, 10 December 2009 (EST)
  • Also, keep in mind that Doyle wasn't shown before his appearance in the Fifth Stage, which lasted for about a minute. Therefore, it's possible (yet unlikely) that Lauren is somewhere at the carnival also.--PJDEP 16:42, 15 December 2009 (EST)

Orientation

I think Eric was present at Joseph's funeral. In the very beginning, as "Volume Five: Redemption" fades, carnies can be seen from above (although not too clear), and there was a fat man who wore a hat. He wasn't shown after that. The odds are negligibly small, but Eric did join the carnival before Joseph's death... Green.gif AltesUTC CH 06:40, 30 December 2009 (EST)

Image Change revival

There's a conversation above this to change Doyle's main image, but it's a little buried now. Doyle isn't the same creepy misogynistic rapist he once was, and his image should probably be changed to reflect this. I think that the image to the right is a potential candidate, it shows him at the carnival and he doesn't look as sketchy. He doesn't look very handsome I suppose, but, he's not a very handsome guy.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 21:30, 1 January 2010 (EST)
Doyle carnival.png
  • I like it. It's a little dark, but if we can't find a better one, I'm for it. Vampirate68 | Talk | Contribs | 21:47, 1 January 2010 (EST)
    • I made it a little brighter, my imaging software consists of iPhoto and Preview so there isn't much I can do. Still I think, if not this exact shot, another from this scene should be the new main image.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 14:48, 2 January 2010 (EST)
      • Agreed! your manipulation is good. if you can get the glare off, it'd be perfect. --SacValleyDweller (talk) 23:43, 2 January 2010 (EST)

Out of Character

The whole scene with Doyle yelling at Claire for being in Samuel's trailer was a little out of character for him. Just last episode he was hugging Claire and talking gently with her and then one day later he's ready to kill her. I mean, yeah I can see him upset about his normal life being ruined, but I don't think he would get that emotional. -Vampirate68 | Talk | Contribs | 20:24, 5 January 2010 (EST)

  • I guess he's been moving from life to life too much, and thought Claire was going to ruin the carnival for him. He did give up everything to be there. He redeemed himself though, when he held Sylar off briefly.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 20:26, 5 January 2010 (EST)
    • I guess it's understandable that he would be a little upset, but I don't think he should have reacted with as much anger as he did. -Vampirate68 | Talk | Contribs | 20:32, 5 January 2010 (EST)
      • Eric has always been emotionally crippled. Between his parents, uncle, and past lovers. That reminds me, Meridith should be listed as a formerly significant other. --OutbackZack 20:35, 5 January 2010 (EST)
        • Exactly, years of emotional damage take years to heal. While approaching normal, Doyle probably has some remnant feelings that were aroused by Claire's actions. He overreacted.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 20:36, 5 January 2010 (EST)

Anyone else sick of this guy?

I'm really upset that whenever Claire has an epic badass moment, Doyle is ALWAYS there to ruin it!!! -.- It's disappointing. --Jason Garrick 15:19, 26 January 2010 (EST)

  • Personally, I love Doyle ("I like your, uh, skin...."). But out of curiosity, what exactly was Doyle doing to Claire? All I saw were her hands in front of her mouth or something.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 15:21, 26 January 2010 (EST)
    • D H Lawrence said that his ability is literally like he has invisible strings attatched, so it seems like he was wrapping the strings around her neck. --mc_hammark 15:31, 26 January 2010 (EST)


Why so cocky?

Where did Doyle's newfound confidence stem from when he fought Sylar? I mean, considering their track record (2-0), you'd think Doyle would be scared out of his mind, or at least refrain from making smart-ass remarks.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 22:45, 8 February 2010 (EST)

  • As far as Doyle was aware, he was in a Carnival full of his family ready to support him and save him at any point. --mc_hammark 06:29, 9 February 2010 (EST)