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Source/Explanation
Godsend refers to Claude as being invisible. Claude's Primatech file explicitly names the ability "invisibility" (From the Files of Primatech, Part 5).

Quote

I'd appreciate it if someone who recorded the show could double check the quote. --Ted C 23:11, 22 January 2007 (EST)

  • Fixed. --Fcphantom 00:08, 23 January 2007 (EST)

Claude/Vagrant

I linked "vagrant" to "Claude", but I'm not putting the name into the article until we hear it on screen. --Ted C 23:13, 22 January 2007 (EST)

We can leave Claude's name as "vagrant", but I think it's okay to call him Claude in general. Even though the name hasn't been revealed on screen, it has been released in other public media. Just my opinion, though. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:37, 22 January 2007 (EST)
I agree, I prefer Claude as well over vagrant. Revealing a name like this isn't spoilerish. Now if we were talking about Mr. Bennet's first name on the other hand... :) (Admin 09:35, 23 January 2007 (EST))
Does anybody else have an opinion this - I'd like to change "vagrant" back to "Claude". Afterall, Nobody ever calls Mr. Bennet by that name on the show as far as I can remember - he's always just "HRG" or "the man with the horn-rimmed glasses" or "Claire's dad". Plus, we include a lot of other little facts about places and people that are not revealed onscreen (Niki's age, for instance, was released in a press packet; we don't limit ourselves to only screenshots of Isaac's paintings - we also use promotional ones.) I say it's okay to call him Claude. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:22, 23 January 2007 (EST)
Fine by me, then. --Ted C 15:39, 23 January 2007 (EST)
Sounds good. (Aside: Jackie calls him Mr. Bennet. So does Eden when she introduces him to Isaac. So does Chandra when he calls.)--Hardvice (talk) 16:19, 23 January 2007 (EST)


Mechanics of Invisibility

  • Interesting power Claude has. I don't, however, understand how he was able to pick wallets, etc out of bags sitting right infront of people on several tables without them noticing. Wouldn't those items "float" in the air? Also, what about his clothes? Does his power have some sort of proximity or does he have the ability to consciously makes certain things invisible? Also, how is he able to walk around in crowds like that without anyone "feeling" him. Even invisible, he's going to affect the air, make noise, and *such (like when it rains on him). They need to seriously explain his power a little better.- Yoshie (talk) 09:35, 23 January 2007 (EST)
    • Claude seems to be "telepathically invisible", for lack of a better term. He is somehow affecting the minds of other people to keep them from noticing him. I don't think they can hear him either, although they can hear and see incidental effects (like the stuff he knocked over during his struggle with Peter). When Peter is "tuned in" to his power, he sees through the effect; that wouldn't be plausible if Claude were making himself transparent or bending light around himself (either of which would -- technically -- leave Claude blind when using his power). --Ted C 09:40, 23 January 2007 (EST)
      • There's also the thing with Peter. He chased Claude down the street. I assume that at some point he was visible, and then became invisible. So what, no one on the crowded street corner noticed some guy just vanish (while still shouting to another person who was never visible)? - Yoshie (talk) 09:42, 23 January 2007 (EST)
        • If it is a sort of mind-control effect, then it's quite plausible that it makes the disappearance itself unworthy of notice. Also, Peter may have been invisible to others from the moment he first saw Claude. --Ted C 09:45, 23 January 2007 (EST)
        • If you see a man suddenly fade out of existence while you're walking to work, are you going to draw attention to it? "Hey look! That guy just disappeared!" You'd sound like a lunatic. Most people would just blink a few times, assume he just walked behind another pedestrian or something, and keep moving.--D and d 123 19:53, 29 November 2009 (EST)
          • Perhaps, if it were a sort of suggestion to "ignore" him. But what about when he and Peter were fighting and people were looking right at where they were? I just don't think telepathic invisibility covers everything we saw last night. - Yoshie (talk) 09:56, 23 January 2007 (EST)
            • Not so much an "ignore me" power (makes me think of the "Somebody Else's Problem Field"), but the ability to delete himself from other people's perception, up to a point. He can pick up a wallet without anyone noticing, but he can't knock over a table without creating a commotion, even though bystanders won't know what knocked the table over. --Ted C 10:57, 23 January 2007 (EST)
    • I'm sure we'll find out more soon, but I see a couple of options. Perhaps anything he touches also becomes invisible, so once he grabs a wallet or when he took the cell phone off the table it's invisible and they don't see it until he puts it down. Or perhaps they would have seen it floating as you said. He may just be taking advantage of the fact that people aren't paying attention and are less likely to see something a wallet being taken out if there's not a person standing there doing it. Hard to say for sure yet, but we'll probably find out in the next episode. (Admin 09:45, 23 January 2007 (EST))
      • Invisibility is going to be one of those things like time travel and flight - there's a lot of suspension of belief as to the actual mechanics of it. Hiro might create time paradoxes, Nathan might need to endure high winds and friction, and Claude might make things he touches invisible. Maybe we'll find out, maybe we won't. Hmmm... - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:22, 23 January 2007 (EST)
        • Well, we already know he makes his clothes invisible, so a small object he picks up, like a wallet, isn't much of a stretch. --Ted C 15:38, 23 January 2007 (EST)
          • True. Now what about the light pole Peter was leaning against when they were arguing? Would that not also "become" invisible or whatever Claude's ability is doing?- Yoshie (talk) 16:49, 23 January 2007 (EST)
            • I'd be inclined to say there must be a limit. We already saw that the table they knocked over didn't become invisible. At present, I think that he can only make something invisible if is carrying it. --Ted C 17:25, 23 January 2007 (EST)
              • Particularly since he's also touching the ground. Otherwise, it would just be silly. I see two likely possibilities: 1) his invisibility extends to whatever (small) objects he's holding or touching or 2)his invisibility extends to whatever he wants it to that he's holding or touching. This works out nicely if it is just a mental power to not be seen.--Hardvice (talk) 17:30, 23 January 2007 (EST)

The AT said that with his power, Claude can "see what would otherwise be invisible to the average person". What does this mean exactly? Him seeing other invisible people is kind of an ability immunity example, but seeing things that are usually invisible? Borrowing a bit of physics from the Invisible Man series of 2000, when Claude becomes invisible, it would make him see things in a wider spectrum. And about the "why only some objects turn invisible", couldn't he choose what becomes invisible and what doesn't? Intuitive Empath 11:42, 1 November 2008 (EDT)

Sounds

  • I took out the comment that this power also keeps people from hearing him. During the struggle between Claude and Peter before they hit the table one of the bystanders starts looking, possibly hearing an argument taking place nearby and not knowing where it's coming from. I'm sure we'll find out for sure in one of the next episodes anyway. (Admin 09:33, 23 January 2007 (EST))

Gallery

  • Anyone have a capture of Claude stealing the money from the wallet? --Ted C 16:06, 23 January 2007 (EST)
  • powers_claude_pickpocket.jpg

  • powers_claude_pickpocket_2.jpg

  • powers_claude_pickpocket_3.jpg

    --Hardvice (talk) 16:36, 23 January 2007 (EST)

Trivia

We need a trivia section -- why would an invisible man need money? Not exactly like he could walk up to a store clerk and buy something, and it's definitely not a morality thing, since he's just pulling it out of people's wallets.

Would explain where my keys got to though. :)

While Claude can presumably walk away with most of the necessities of life (food, drink, etc.), there are some needs and wants that you just can't carry. If he wants a service, for instance, he's going to have to reveal himself and pay for it. --Ted C 15:49, 26 January 2007 (EST)
Hmm, what do you mean by "service", Ted? Could you please elaborate for us all. hehehe. :) - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:46, 26 January 2007 (EST)
I think he means services like health care, haircuts, counselling, etc, stuff in which a certain level of communication is required. --Reubs1 18:35, 26 January 2007 (EST)

Passive

Oddly enoguh, Aron Coleite and Joe Pokaski talk about this in this week's CBR Behind the Eclipse. They basically say Claude has full control over his invisibility, but chooses to remain invisible most of the time.--Hardvice (talk) 17:27, 19 February 2007 (EST)

  • Well, I guess we could just say it doesn't require effort or concentration. --Ted C 17:34, 19 February 2007 (EST)

The pole...thing

Claude made it turn invisible. How can we add this into the definition? He can become invisible and make items vanish at his will. --Riddler 23:51, 19 February 2007 (EST)

possible Invisibility error in Unexpected

  • I noticed that as Peter throws Claude off the building, Bennet and the Haitian take off the heat sensing goggles. However they appear to see with their own eyes Peter as he flies up into the sky. Did Claude's invisibility stop once he was shot and therefore Peter wasn't mimicking it? It's possible since it's been stated that Claude can choose to be invisible or not. FlyingMan 19:36, 20 February 2007 (EST)
    • That's how I understood it. Sure, it's speculating either way, but I kind of assumed Claude could be visible if he wanted; when he was shot, he wasn't concentrating on being invisible. Or perhaps Bennet and the Haitian saw what they needed to see through the goggles. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:29, 20 February 2007 (EST)
      • That makes sense, Claude definitely wouldn't be focusing on staying invisible during that pain. Either that or maybe the Haitian's ability blocking affects invisibility as well. FlyingMan 22:48, 21 February 2007 (EST)
        • They wouldn't need the googles if the Haitian could disable invisibility. Maybe Peter was too busy thinking about flying to make himself invisible at the same time? --Frantik (Talk) 23:07, 21 February 2007 (EST)

Order of Examples

Examples from Company Man have been entered at the top of the list, putting them effectively in chronological order, but I thought we were ordering such lists by airdate. Which is it? --Ted C 17:30, 27 February 2007 (EST)

  • Personally, I think if there is an episode cite, it should go in episode order. Galleries are another situation. However, I'm pretty sure all (or most) examples on the powers pages are chronologically ordered. They need to be standardized one way or the other, doesn't really matter which. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 06:50, 28 February 2007 (EST)

Time for Examples of Invisibility?

What's our cut-off for an Examples article? Is it number of examples, or number of images? In either case, couldn't we merge the galleries and the examples on these like we did with The Symbol and Isaac's paintings?--Hardvice (talk) 04:20, 16 March 2007 (EDT)

  • I was actually just about to get around to making an examples page today or tomorrow. :) I'm hesitent to merge the galleries and examples because they don't always match up 100%. For instance, the example of when Peter showed up in Nathan's office would be lost since that effect was achieved with camera cuts and not special effects. Unfortunately, the powers differ slightly from the paintings and symbol sightings because the image is not necessarily the example. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 08:35, 16 March 2007 (EDT)

Lead Image

  • Do we have a better Claude picture? I'd much rather have Claude than Peter, since he's the original power holder. Peter's also a big enough Mary Sue without having his face plastered across half the cells on the portal.--Hardvice (talk) 19:24, 16 March 2007 (EDT)
    • Word up. Perhaps a good one from Company Man, sans Mr. Bennet's huge face. ---- Ohmyn0.jpgOhmyn0talk.jpg 19:28, 16 March 2007 (EDT)
      • I suggest this one. Heroe 19:31, 16 March 2007 (EDT)
        • I dig it. I'll also see about getting one from Company Man, so we can choose one.--Hardvice (talk) 19:35, 16 March 2007 (EDT)

OK, here are two contenders:

  • Unexpected ClaudeInvisible.JPG

  • claude appears.jpg

Either would work pretty well. The first has a lot of the apartment in it, and Claude's face is kind of goofy looking, but it's a great shot of the power in action: you can see teh background rippling behind his mostly transparent bits, while his head is still pretty visible. The second one is a better shot as far as being mostly Claude and not having a goofy expression, but it's not as great an example, and it's black and white.--Hardvice (talk) 19:47, 16 March 2007 (EDT)

  • Number 2 is what I'm talking 'bout! ---- Ohmyn0.jpgOhmyn0talk.jpg 19:46, 16 March 2007 (EDT)
  • I like pooping number 2. The black and white is actually more appealing to me because it helps us remember the scene, and it's just a little ... different. I think a closeup is better. I actually have it on my little list of things to do, to crop that picture ... so thanks for doing it for me! — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:04, 16 March 2007 (EDT)

Sounds Part II (or "Inaudiable?")

It is unclear whether the ability also hides sound — Claude covers Peter's mouth when they are hiding from Nathan and Mohinder to stop Peter from making noise (The Fix). However, despite making noise in the streets of New York, nobody seems to hear the two talking (Distractions).

Isn't it also worth pointing out that Sylar is (by all appearances) unable to use his superhearing ability to detect an invisible Peter in ".07"? (It's safe to say that this is the case, since he throws glass out in a very wide arc so as to catch Peter - if he could hear exactly where he was, why bother doing that?)

  • It sure looked to me like Sylar used enhanced hearing to locate Peter. Sure he sent them in a very wide arc, but he knew which general direction Peter was in, and hearing doesn't really allow you to detect the precise location of something anyway. Conduit
    • Based on the scene I'd say that if he used the enhanced hearing it was to get a general idea of his location or that he was still in the room. I didn't get the impression that he was using the enhanced hearing as much as he was looking around smugly knowing full well that his trick of sending shards of glass all over the room was about to reveal Peter's location. If the enhanced hearing didn't come into play then we also can't assume that he couldn't hear Peter. There are many times individuals neglect to use their powers at the right time for reasons related to plot or even that sometimes they just don't think to use them. You might be a good ball catcher, but that doesn't mean in a pinch you will never drop the ball. :) (Admin 15:31, 28 April 2007 (EDT))
      • I was under the impression that Sylar couldn't switch off his super-hearing. It's just something that's there. If he couldn't hear Peter's breathing/heartbeat/etc (which from appearances, he couldn't) then there's got to be a reason. At least imho. I think the out of universe explanation is rather simpler however: the writers just forgot that Sylar should have been able to pick Peter up on his hearing. (Ulicus 07:01, 14 May 2007 (EDT))

Maybe the ability to become "inaudiable" is the result of a more advanced use of the invisibility power. This could neatly explain why Claude would (at first) need to put his hand over Peter's mouth to avoid him making any noise whilst, later on, Peter is comfortable enough to hide every single sound he makes if he wishes. (Ulicus 15:07, 27 April 2007 (EDT))

The more simple explanation is that invisibility doesn't hide sound. As for walking through the streets of New York, it's so crowded and there are so many sounds that many people aren't going to even notice the voices. (Admin 15:31, 28 April 2007 (EDT))

  • I agree with your latter point... but, at the same time, I still think that Sylar's actions are odd in light of his superhearing. (Ulicus 07:01, 14 May 2007 (EDT))
    • Assuming Sylar could hear Peter, he still needed to do something to incapacitate him. Even with enhance hearing, he doesn't appear to have a sonar-like ability to precisely locate an invisible person, so he needed to improvise a way to attack. Besides, his plan resulted in a really cool special effect. --Ted C 10:22, 14 May 2007 (EDT)
      • From Joe Pokaski and Aron Coleite in a CBR Q&A: "He's invisible, certainly, but definitely not inaudible. I think the people around him were just too confused to figure out what was going on with the stuff knocking over and such. As to the range of invisibility, I think it's limited to touch." — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 08:31, 16 May 2007 (EDT)

Gallery limit

This gallery needs to be limited to just 8 images. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:21, 2 November 2007 (EDT)

Distinguish b/w All Users and Specifically Claude/Peter

I think there needs to be some distinction between the things specific to the power (like the comment about sound, clothes, infra red imaging, and the Haitian), and then specific to each person. (Peter grabbing Claire, the pretzel, the stealing). It makes sense in my head, but I feel like I'm not explaining it well. --Spellingbee 14:56, 21 November 2007 (EST)

  • Why don't you try writing it up (even if it's hard to explain) and we'll help fix it up if it needs. By the way, since that's not part of the user's limits, it should go in the notes. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:30, 21 November 2007 (EST)
    • Ok, I went and did the edit. So, yeah. It's open to further edits, so we'll see what happens. --Spellingbee 12:25, 22 November 2007 (EST)

The Haitian can maybe block power

  • It is unknown if the Hatian's ability is effective against this power. Even though Claude did not turn visible in Unexpected, Peter was still able to use space-time manipulation, a ability shown to not work with the Haitian around. Because of the Haitian's unknown allegiance, he might not have even be using his power during that scene in Unexpected. Jason Garrick 01:20, 1 January 2008 (EST)

Quote, Sylar

Does anyone know the quote where Sylar and Peter are fighting in Mohinder's apartment and Peter goes invisible and Sylar says something along the lines of, "Interesting, i can't wait to try that one." If someone can find it I think we should put it up for obvious reasons.--BlueRavenBoy 23:22, 9 October 2008 (EDT)

  • The exact quote is "Interesting. I can't wait to try that one." It's from .07%. To put it on the page, you would put
"''Interesting. I can't wait to try [[invisibility|that one]].''"

: - [[Sylar]] (to [[Peter]]) (''[[.07%]]'')

Hope that helps! -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:29, 9 October 2008 (EDT)

Maybe a "Confirmed"/"Unconfirmed" thing?

On pages like Telepathy, under the ability holders, there's Confirmed users, and unconfirmed users. Maybe we could add one of those for this one, and list the "agent that tackled Flint in an alley" as unconfirmed? Radicell 07:53, 13 November 2008 (EST)

Hes mention in the notes and since some people thinks its Claude while others believe it is someone else with invisibility.Plus, it can also be someone else with another power.SPARTAN-077 18:27, 13 November 2008 (EST)

  • Radicell, we don't know if it's a different person than Claude or not. It's best just to leave it in the notes as is. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:51, 13 November 2008 (EST)
  • Also, in some interview (I don't care right now which or when) the writers explained that a new writer had made the error of putting that in the script. Or something along those lines. Mike 23:06, 9 December 2008 (EST)

Seen by some, not by others

Do you think that it's possible for someone with invisibility to only hide themselves from some people? How was it that Noah, a skilled company agent, could not locate becky, yet Samuel shot the taser and hit her in one in a hugely open space? --mc_hammark 13:44, 13 November 2009 (EST)

Carnival Member

Isn't it possible that the "invisible" person seen in a poster during Smoke & Mirrors is Becky? Just because she MAY wear male clothes during her act doesnt mean it can't be her :D AJUTChronicles

  • Why would she wear male clothes? Wouldn't it be easier to just say: "COME SEE THE INVISIBLE WOMAN" It is entirely possible that they have another person with invisibility. -Vampirate68 | Talk | Contribs | 23:16, 14 November 2009 (EST)
    • I am just saying it COULD be Becky. Plus if they are invisible who would know if they are a man or a woman? AJUTChronicles
      • True, but all I'm saying is WHY would they say man? I guess they could have had an invisible man before who died and they just wanted to carry on that tradition, but that is one of the only reasons why they would say an Invisible man instead of an Invisible woman. -Vampirate68 | Talk | Contribs | 23:21, 14 November 2009 (EST)
        • Where does it say "Invisible Man"? All I see is a sign that is cut off before "visible" (which probably reads "invisible") and cut off in the middle of what is probably the letter "m" (which could read either "man" or "woman"). -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:39, 14 November 2009 (EST)
          • Now I may be wrong about this, as I haven't read the graphic novel in awhile, but don't you see a MAN in the picture? -Vampirate68 | Talk | Contribs | 23:40, 14 November 2009 (EST)
            • No. We see men's clothing. But my question is the text, which is purported to say "invisible man" above, and that's just not something that we know for sure. I do believe there's an advertisement for an invisible man...but that's not the point I'm questioning here. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:44, 14 November 2009 (EST)
              • Exactly. It could just as easily say Invisible Woman. Also, the picture included in the poster is the most commenly used picture used to indicate invisibility? Its just the picture so it could easily be Becky since we know her ability is invisibility and we know she works for the carnival. :D AJUTChronicles
                • I guess I was mistaken. My apologies. -Vampirate68 | Talk | Contribs | 23:57, 14 November 2009 (EST)
                  • No worries. Ultimately, I think it's a man, and it's a separate character. However, I guess the point is that it could be Becky, it could be a woman, or it could even be just an advertisement with no actual person who works at the carnival. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:23, 15 November 2009 (EST)

Becky remembers pushing Annie out of a window

Should this picture be there? I mean, yes, she was supposed to be invisible while doing it but you can clearly see her in the picture, she is not fading in our out. Is this really a good example?--PJDEP 23:26, 14 November 2009 (EST)

  • I like that example, even though it's slightly different. Becky was invisible at the time. It's just that they chose to portray her invisibility a little differently in that scene. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:41, 14 November 2009 (EST)

Interesting

This was mentioned in a graphic novel, and I'd actually like to know: if an invisible person caught fire, would you be able to see him burn?--D and d 123 19:55, 29 November 2009 (EST)

  • Yes. Green.gif AltesUTC CH 01:57, 30 November 2009 (EST)

Re: Golden Handshake "Claude could only make his hand vanish"

Claude had full invisibility in this graphic novel. His had was just invisible in one panel because he was in the process of decloaking. If you've read the whole thing, you will see Claude can totally vanish when he wants to. User:Tarot

Transparency?

The blood of our children all around.JPG

It looks like we can see the entire piece of glass, even though part of it is lodged in Peter's head. Am I looking at it wrong or is Peter actually transparent?--PJDEP 00:37, 6 December 2009 (EST)

  • I think we saw it because Peter was in the middle of turning visible. Plus if I recall, when Claude grabbed the large stick to hit Peter with it was still visible for a second before it went invisible. So I think it takes a minute to turn invisible, but because of Peter changed back, we didn't see it turn invisible. If that makes sense.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 00:53, 6 December 2009 (EST)
    • Same happened when Claude nicked a pretzel, it seemed to float for a second then went invisible. --mc_hammark 07:29, 6 December 2009 (EST)
      • But the pretzel didn't actually enter Claude's body, we're seeing inside of Peter's skull. That's more then invisibility.--PJDEP 15:23, 6 December 2009 (EST)
        • ok, with the thing in peter's head there are two points that should be made; firstly - it looks cool, just try saying it doesn't; and secondly, as an invisible person seems to fade to become invisible it also seems to start from one specific point on their head and then spread to the rest of the body, so before the back of peter's head was shown, the front began to appear. --mc_hammark 15:33, 6 December 2009 (EST)