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Examples from the Transcripts of Episodes, Graphic Novels, and Webisodes that refer to powered-people as special:


GN: The Caged Bird, Part 1 "You're wrong. You're special."
GN: Doyle "That's because they're afraid of you. The other agents. They think you're evil. They look at me like that too. (shows off his ability to generate lasers) Just because we're...special."
GN: Dreams Until Death "Now tell me...which one of you two agent's is the special one?"
"You're not special? You lied."
GN: Our Lady of Blessed Acceleration, Part 1 "Months prior to Evs Dropper's poisoning of the Company; it's still business as usual: tracking specials around the world, bagging and tagging them."
GN: Family Man "And one he would encounter early in his career, who would become the most special person in his life: the girl called Claire."
GN: Hell's Angel "And one he would encounter early in his career, who would become the most special person in his life: the girl called Claire."
GN: Walls, Part 1 "Hiro and Ando jumped to a world where the bomb ripped apart New York City. Where special people were scapegoated and treated unfairly."
GN: String Theory "After the bomb went off, people like me -- special people -- we became hated."
GN: Turning Point "For those with special abilities, a new and deadly threat has arisen: the serial killer Sylar."
GN: Road Kill "This man is not special. I get nothing from killing him."
"Chandra Suresh recently identified a waitress in Midland, Texas who like had a special ability."
Webisode: The Recruit, Part 2 "I don't have an ability. I already told you, I'm not special."
Webisode: The Recruit, Part 1 "These marines were to be injected with experimental serum to aid in apprehending people with "special" abilities. These "specials" pose a threat to society."
Episode: Powerless "West, you're the one who said that we were special, that the rules didn't apply to us."
Episode: The Line "You are a very special person, Miss Dawson."
"I want to be special, unique. An ability doesn't have to be a burden, Maya. It can be wonderful."
Episode: Fight or Flight "Yeah. I know. But what do you think it all means? Having these -- these powers. I think it means that we're special."
Episode: Four Months Later... "And not only are these special individuals among us"
Episode: Landslide "You wanted to be special ... and you are! Destiny picked you, Hiro!"
Episode: The Hard Part "Because he said you should. He said you were very talented, and very special."
"Don't, it's just ... (sighs) ... maybe I don't have to be special. That's okay to just be a normal watchmaker. "
"What if I told you that I can be special? "
"You were right, Mom. I am meant to be special, just like you wanted."
Episode: Five Years Gone "You are like me. special. Why do you want to hurt other special people?"
"I made everyone aware of us. Fear is just the natural response. You can't blame them, really. We're more powerful than they are. More important. We're special."
"Who are you to decide who's special and who's not?"
"For all I know, I'm the most special person there is. (Something about him makes Claire afraid.) Lord knows I found enough power. Met a lot of special people."
Episode: Parasite "Candice is special, just like you."
Episode: Run! "Charlie was special"
"I'm just a regular guy. I mean ... I've never been different or--or special"
Episode: Distractions "I'm special. Just like Claire."
Episode: The Fix "No teaching. No Sunday school for the special. What I can do, you can't learn. You wake up in the morning, it's there. "
"Because I’m special."
"I am very special. I offer myself in trade. Release un-special Ando and I go with you. Okay? "
Episode: Godsend "(Eden) cared about you more than she should've. She was ... special."
"I guess that's what makes me special."
"We're quite alike, you know. You collect special people. So do I."
Episode: Six Months Ago "And I wanted to be different. special."
"You may not have a special ability."
Episode: Homecoming "You know, between you and me, she's not that special. Just your average teenage girl.
She rushed into a fire and saved a man's life, sounds kinda special to me."
Episode: Seven Minutes to Midnight "From the moment she was born, he was convinced that she was special."
"Because she's special. Like you. And that makes her a target."
"You're not the only one with special abilities,"
Episode: Nothing to Hide "I told you to drop all this "I'm special" crap."
"Pretty special family. (chuckles) You have no idea."
Episode: Better Halves "Claire is a very special girl. Do you understand me?"
"Well, I hope they're not. No offense, but I like -- I like that you're the freak. It makes you more ... special or whatever."
Episode: Genesis " Some individuals, it is true, are more special. This is natural selection. It begins as a single individual born or hatched like every other member of their species. Anonymous. Seemingly ordinary. Except they're not"

Examples from the Transcripts of Episodes, Graphic Novels, and Webisodes that refer to powered-people as evolved:


Episode: Kindred "Some say it's a gift from God. Some people think it's evolution."
"What is that? Evolution? It means you can heal from any wound."
Episode: Lizards " I've read that some people might have evolved a different code already. Is that possible?"
"I just found this book. It's by some Indian guy. I can barely even pronounce his name. It's about everything you're talking about--people who've evolved."
Episode: Four Months Later... "It's a disease which threatens to eradicate them all. And in doing so, deprives our species of its evolutionary advancement."
Episode: .07%
"I'm a natural progression of the species. Evolution is a part of nature, and nature kills. Simple, right? What you've done is not evolution, it's murder. "
Episode: Unexpected "Charles Darwin bred pigeons when he was working out his theory of evolution. Married up various permutations to get maximum potential."
Episode: Six Months Ago "I have a theory about human evolution. And I believe you ... are a part of it."
"You use a phrase in your book ... evolutionary imperative."
"Don't worry, Brian, I can fix it. It's an evolutionary imperative."
Episode: Collision "My father always talked about how an entire species will go extinct while others, no more unique or complex, will change and adapt in extraordinary ways. He had a romantic take on evolution."
Episode: One Giant Leap "When evolution selects its agents, it does so at a cost."
Episode: Genesis "But we are not the pinnacle of so-called evolution. That honor belongs to the lowly cockroach...is man entering a new gateway to evolution? "

Discuss appropriate naming convention

Overwhelmingly, all sources for the show use special rather than evolved throughout the canon and near-cannon. Most evolved uses also, are referring to evolution as a process, not as an identifyer of the people. I think the wiki should align to this majority, and refer to them as 'special' (which is explicitly used), as opposed to 'evolved humans' (which is never explicitly used). --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 12/16/2008 11:02 (EST)

  • Also, in The Recruit, Part 1 the opening sentences directly refer to them as 'specials'.--Elemental Manipulator [ U | T | C ] - When in doubt, ask BTE 03:15, 17 December 2008 (EST)
    • They've also been called posthumans and freaks. "Evolved human" is used pretty heavily in the assignment tracker map. It seems like any of those terms would do. I say leave good enough alone. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 10:08, 17 December 2008 (EST)
      • I'm sure there are various synonomyms. Freak is a term Claire uses a handful of times about herself, but not widespreadly used to the group in general. Posthuman likewise, is a grouping term for specials, but has only been used once, maybe twice. (I can't even find it in the transcripts of s1-s2 and the gns we've transcribed so far. My point in bring this up for discussion, is that 'specials' is used as a grouping term in a much larger way, spanning many multiple GNs and episodes from all three seasons. Far more than any other grouping term, it has been the most common; and therefore worth looking into. The assignment tracker is a relatively knew tool that has emerged this season; and still yet, they are using the term 'special' bountifully throughout this season 3, just as they did in seasons 1 and 2. Thanks User:Elemental Manipulator for mentioning The Recruit, Part 1...their use of 'specials' jumped out at me too when watching it yesterday.--HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 12/17/2008 10:17 (EST)
  • I would say defiantly no to "special humans". "Specials" is a possibility, but I think "evolved humans" is just fine. -Lөvөl 12:10, 18 December 2008 (EST)
    • Yeah "special humans" seems weird. "evoloved humans" however, just seems natural because that's the term the wiki has always used, and we've gotten used to it. The actual phrase "evolved human" (I don't think) has ever been used in canon or near-canon. "Specials" has been used in both canon and near-canon alot; thus my reason for bringing up the discussion. If we want to be more aligned with the canon and near-canon references, "specials" is more appropriate than "evolved humans". --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 12/18/2008 12:49 (EST)
      • "Special" means that they could have anything from a power to Down Syndrome. It's not specific enough, even though most uses mean "people who have powers". We know that they're humans, and evolution has been refered to multiple times as the source of the powers, so calling them Evolved Humans is just logical. --Piemanmoo 21:54, 21 December 2008 (EST)
        • It is logical, it is very logical; but it rarely used within the heroes universe; and "specials" and its variation is used a multitude of times throughout all of the heroes universe and all seasons. EH makes good sense, because it is descriptive and it is what we've used from the beginning, so we're used to the term. However, just from what has been overwhelmingly used within the show, GNS, and 360 material, 'specials' is by far, the most referred to way of identifying people with abilities. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 12/23/2008 11:50 (EST)
          • Other terms have been used just as explicitly, most notably "posthuman". I don't see any reason to prefer "specials" above other terms that are used. Frequency of use doesn't necessarily equate validity of term. In fact, I think the term "special" is quite loaded and has a connotation that does not necessarily apply. In the end, the show uses numerous terms for concept of a person with abilities, and they all co-exist in the world of Heroes. So should it be with our site--multiple names are fine and can be used interchangeably. I see nothing wrong with using "evolved humans" in the title of this article. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 13:29, 23 December 2008 (EST)
            • I can let this go, not that big a deal. What made me inclined to research it and bring it up, is solely because of the volume. Posthuman has been used what, once, twice maybe? "Evolved human" none...it is an implied term in about 7 or 8 unspecific references. Special however, has been used close to 4 dozen times. I just felt the weight of the useage towards special has grown so much larger than any other 'onscreen/gn/webisode' reference, that it was worth discussing. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 12/23/2008 13:55 (EST)
              • From another perspective, in near-canon sources, "evolved humans" is used 29 times on the assignment tracker map and once in Evs Dropper's messages, "posthuman" is used twice on the map and thrice in messages, and "specials" is not used on the map and once in messages. "Evolved human" is used twice in Bridget's messages, and it's implied that it's a term used by Chandra himself. Ultimately, I think we just need to use multiple terms on the site. Creating a redirect for specials was a good idea. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 02:41, 24 December 2008 (EST)
                • Also, the above list of the word "special" being used only has two examples of the word being used as a noun. A graphic novel says, "tracking specials around the world," and a webisode says, "These 'specials' pose a threat to society." (Both are introductions, which is another murky area, but for the sake of the argument, we'll just say that they were in the source proper.) Most of the other "special" references refer to abilities (which really are special--they're very unusual) or to people (for instance, Claire calls Zach special). I guess what I'm getting at here is that doing a search for "special" in transcripted material will yield a much higher search result since the word "special" is a very common word. But seeing the word used as a noun to mean "people with abilities" is just about as rare as finding the term "evolved human" or "posthuman". -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 02:53, 24 December 2008 (EST)

An attempt to clear up ability overlap.

Teleportation versus Space-time manipulation, Super speed versus Santiago's ability versus Edward's ability, etc. Overlaps are going to get worse, and it's better to figure out how to deal with it now rather than later. Perhaps something of this nature would work:

As it is, for abilities, we list Confirmed, Unconfirmed, and Future. Perhaps we should add "Other examples" or "Similar powers" or something of that nature. In some cases, it's only going to add links from some pages to others, but in some instances it would actually be important. For instance, Daphne does not have Space-time manipulation, but amplified, she can travel through time. Hiro has space-time manipulation, but an aspect of that, explicitly, is teleportation. Thoughts? --Ricard Desi (t,c) 23:44, 22 December 2008 (EST)

  • I second the "similar powers" concept. - Tristan0709 talk 23:56, 22 December 2008 (EST)
    • We don't need a "similar abilities" section. Similar abilities are not the same abilities. This would also lead to very speculative posts (as it already has) about how powers work. I believe similar powers are already in the Notes sections of articles about abilities. I think that's probably enough. Anything else would actually muck up the overlap and confuse things more, I'm afraid. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:53, 23 December 2008 (EST)
    • I agree. What I meant was, if we were forced to choose one of those options, I would go for simliar abilities. I think that with amplification around, we may see all abilities do strange things. Also, should people on this list be included if they have lost their abilities? -- Tristan0709 talk 01:54, 23 December 2008 (EST)
      • I think it's okay to list them. Maya is still an evolved human, which is what this page lists. I think we just need to make her ability field say "Poison emission (lost)". -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 02:10, 23 December 2008 (EST)

Shouldn't we?

is there a page spesificaly on evolved humans? if not, why cant there be? we still havent seen the connection from the brain to the adrenelian or how the set abilities are limeted by logical and phisical limits. we know of things like if and ability is mental, elemental, phisical or temproall/spatal, but not the limitation. we need to have soemthing more to describe evolved humans.

We need an article and not a list.

This really serves more as a list than it does an article on explaining Evolve Humans. There's a lot of information about them such as abilities being passed on, activation by the eclipse, history of them (Abu's ancestors) showing how long they have been around, the different categories their abilities fall under, rights, movements, etc. It would defiantly take some work, but we need it, because right now this is only a list of Evolve Humans and nowhere does it explain them the depth that this topic deserves. --OutbackZack 13:22, 27 April 2009 (EDT)

If you want an article about evolved humans make one. The list should not be changed in favor of your idea. --Snow Leapord 15:39, 27 April 2009 (EDT)

  • I never said change the list. I said have an article. That way anytime you click on Evolved Human it takes you to an article that better explains what one is instead of giving you a list. The list is a separate article in itself. Nowhere did I say change the list. --OutbackZack 16:38, 27 April 2009 (EDT)
    • Bump. Anyone want to help me to create this page? I guess we would make it a sub user page before we would publish it onto the main site. --OutbackZack 10:28, 9 December 2009 (EST)
      • What would you like to write there? I can only think about something like "humans who develop special abilities are called evolved humans". Green.gif AltesUTC CH 03:52, 10 December 2009 (EST)
        • There's a lot of things that we can cover. Here's what comes off the top of my head; the history of evolved humans (from the earliest known to their place in society), how abilities are passed down, the four main types of abilities, organizations that deal and have dealt with them, how their abilities were activated (the eclipse), and the list just goes on. --OutbackZack 05:38, 10 December 2009 (EST)
          • Half of these should go to the abilities article, if one is to be made. Green.gif AltesUTC CH
            • Yeah, we could use an ability page also. Then have a summary of the ability page on the evolved human page. I'm sure if we started to work on a page we'll think of information to put on it. After all, we do have a page about the Barbie doll and licence plate numbers haha. --OutbackZack 05:56, 10 December 2009 (EST)

iStory sources

I noticed that there is an inconsistency on how iStories are used as sources in this list. Some characters just have iStory as a source, some have a determined iStory, such as The Civilian or Faction Zero, and some have it right down to the chapter, such as The Civilian, chapter 503. Could we sort this out? Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 11:55, 3 September 2009 (EDT)

Dennis

I know there was no demonstrated ability, but he was an evolved human, shouldn't he be still listed? We've listed people without knowing what their abilities were, haven't we? Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 11:55, 3 September 2009 (EDT)

  • Dennis is categorized as a human, as he should be. He has never demonstrated ability, has never been referred to as being an evolved human, and we have no concrete reason to believe that he has a power. The only two things that would lead one to believe he has an ability are his large pupils and the fact that he spent time in Level 5. Neither one of those is confirmation of being an evolved human; both characteristics have been associated with humans in other cases. See Talk:Dennis. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:14, 3 September 2009 (EDT)

evo

How are we formatting the word "evo"? Are there any written examples of it being in all caps (EVO), or having just a first letter capitalized (Evo), or do we just see it as all lowercase (evo)? The only things I'm seeing is "EVO ABILITY" on the evo card, but the whole card is written in caps, so that's not a good indicator. Anybody find any other examples of how it's written? -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 11:33, 3 August 2015 (EDT)

  • Okay, I found this. It says "At least 36 killed in alleged Evo-Supremicist attack". The word "Evo" is not in all caps, but just the first letter is capitalized. So I suppose the word can be written either with no caps or the first letter capitalized. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 11:47, 3 August 2015 (EDT)
    • I've always just thought of it as short for "evolved human", and so having it all lowercase seemed natural to me. --Radicell (talk) 18:34, 3 August 2015 (EDT)
  • I say wait to see how it is used on the show. Sounds to me like slur in the same vein as the n word. --Snow Leapord (talk) 18:39, 3 August 2015 (EDT)
    • Quentin uses it positively. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 19:32, 3 August 2015 (EDT)
      • The N word is used positively by African-Americans especially rappers. The N word is still a racial slur. Just because one person uses it positively doesn't change anything. --Snow Leapord (talk) 19:40, 3 August 2015 (EDT)
        • I don't think the two words are analogous. It seems like a forced comparison. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:12, 3 August 2015 (EDT)
          • Which is why I said WAIT to we see how it is used on the show. Anything else is speculation, and any insistence on discussing the word I am going to take the side of evo = N word. --Snow Leapord (talk) 20:15, 3 August 2015 (EDT)

Missing Persons at Odessa Summit

There is a Howard Kiddwell (possibly, hard to tell last name), Stuart last name ends in eldern, & most definitely Susan Erikston. All of three of them are on the missing persons board for Evos. None of those are listed I understand why the first two are not listed but is there a reason why Susan is not? --Snow Leapord (talk) 14:06, 1 June 2017 (EDT)