Talk:Luke's ability

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Power

My guess is that it has something to do with solar energy. -Lөvөl 22:08, 8 October 2015 (EDT)

  • Yeah, it does seem like he's mimicking aspects of the sun, but this is a good place to start until we get some more concrete/canonical info. Like many I'm not a fan of Soandso's ability pages, however speculative ability names without any canonical backing I loathe even more. (Admin (talk) 22:34, 8 October 2015 (EDT))
  • Solar mimicry? Solarkinesis? Solar manipulation? Solar absorption? We'll wait until we get more info obviously, but just throwing some names out there. -Sincerely, Thrashmeister » talk- 13:32, 9 October 2015 (EDT)
    • My first thought after this week's episode was "solar mimicry". Definitely not "solarkinesis" or "solar manipulation" since he's not moving or manipulating the sun. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 12:10, 10 October 2015 (EDT)
      • Am I the only person who thought this ability is induced radioactivity? The glow is similar, Luke had the same "boiling the glass of water" scene as Ted. Everything he's done so far checks with IR. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 16:42, 10 October 2015 (EDT)
        • I think a lot of us did after Under the Mask. But there are a few differences. The glow is different -- his hand really does look like the surface of the sun. But a different glow isn't enough to be a different ability (see pyrokinesis). I'm glad they brought back the boiling glass of water that Ted did (which was originally a scene from the Engineer in the unaired pilot). But the biggest difference is that Luke's ability is powered by the sun. I know the Sun produces radioactivity ... and it may turn out that these two abilities are the same, but until we know that, we can't assume that they are the same. Ultimately, I see two reasons why this should be separated from induced radioactivity at this point: the writers have been purposely ambiguous about what the power is (as Luke discovers it, so does the audience), and the writers have been purposely deliberate about linking the power to the Sun. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:31, 10 October 2015 (EDT)
          • I believe his ability is Solar Energy absorbtion and Projection, [[1]] , I suppose that is the closest thing to what has been shown on the show. User:NiopTres/sig 14:32, 12 October 2015 (EDT)
  • I remember that Luke used his ability to show Malina that he was an Evo and therefore not a threat to her, but I don't remember exactly what he did. Seems like he used it on a vending machine. Anyone record it? --Ted C (talk) 15:16, 2 November 2015 (EST)
    • I don't believe he did it on purpose, but yes he did spark when putting change into the machine. Not sure if Malina knows or just suspects. (Admin (talk) 15:47, 2 November 2015 (EST))

Solar Beam Projection?

is a good descriptive name. He doesn't actually absorb the solar energy since the power doesn't work at night. Sandubadear (talk) 17:13, 10 January 2016 (EST)

  • I'm thinking that Luke's ability is more solar mimicry than solar projection, as I think he is able to use his ability indoors and he also can create electromagnetic sparks.--MiamiVolts (talk) 22:57, 10 January 2016 (EST)
    • I agree with Miami. I think "solar mimicry" is a great name for Luke's ability. And after this week's comment that he can't function without the sun, I think it's time to make the change. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:38, 11 January 2016 (EST)
      • It's not only solar mimicry, as Luke is able to emit sparks, which is not part of the sun's properties. --LIMAFOX76 (talk) 10:05, 11 January 2016 (EST)
        • I can't remember the electromagnetism scenes but sparks might be caused by the grease on his hands reacting to getting heated up.--Sekobro (talk) 10:43, 11 January 2016 (EST)
        • The sun is Plasma, Plasma can be either fire or Electricty. Thus sparks--NiopTres (talk) 11:40, 11 January 2016 (EST)
          • The "spark" scene is when Luke tries to switch off the radio in Noah Bennet's car. All the car is out of order because of this spark (Under the Mask). And yes, you're right about electricity because of the ionizing radiation. --LIMAFOX76 (talk) 13:58, 11 January 2016 (EST)
          • I recall a different sparks scene with the vending machine when Luke has just recently met Malina and she's just saved him from drowning (so I think that shows he can spark both when his hands are greased and also when they are not so greased). Also, the solar wind emitted from the sun can "enter the atmosphere and electrify the air, creating pathways for lightning bolts" (per Wikipedia:Lightning#Solar wind and cosmic rays).--MiamiVolts (talk) 16:25, 11 January 2016 (EST)
            So "Solar Beam Emission" then, I guess. I have no problems with "Solar Mimicry" if everyone else agrees, but I like Solar Beam Emission more. Sandubadear (talk) 19:11, 12 January 2016 (EST)
            I still prefer "solar mimicry". Everything Luke has been able to do has been because he mimics the sun and its properties in some form or another. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 19:49, 13 January 2016 (EST)
            Solar mimicry is my preference as well. --Snow Leapord (talk) 21:18, 14 January 2016 (EST)
            As well for me. --LIMAFOX76 (talk) 11:31, 15 January 2016 (EST)
            That sounds good to me.--Cro Magnon (talk) 12:32, 15 January 2016 (EST)
          • I'm opposed to solar mimicry. It suggests that he replicates processes inside the sun, without having a connection to the sun itself. If that were the case, his ability would still work during the night. It's pretty clear to me he's not replicating the sun, he's using the sun as a power source. I would propose the name solar channeling then. He channels the power of the sun to do stuff (fire heat beams, etc).--Potatoes (talk) 15:08, 15 January 2016 (EST)
            • Actually, I agree. "Solar channeling" is a much more accurate name. I had never heard or thought of that. I am fully in favor of "solar channeling". -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:43, 15 January 2016 (EST)
            • I think the meaning of whether it is day or night is normally defined by whether the sun is normally shining on a portion of the Earth during that time (day is normally the period between sunrise and sunset for a given surface portion of the Earth), so I think Luke not being able to use his ability at night IS replicating an aspect of the sun. Also, I disagree that "solar channeling" is a more accurate name... Besides plants also being solar channel-ers of sorts by channeling sunlight for photosynthesis, I'm not sure Luke is channeling sunlight at all... I am thinking it might just be that he needs to sense sunlight to perform mimicry of the sun--not that the sun's rays need to directly strike him (when he sets his son Dennis's room on fire in The Lion's Den, it's not night but I think the curtains are closed such that sunlight enters only through their material).--MiamiVolts (talk) 21:08, 15 January 2016 (EST)
              • "Mimicking," as I understand it, means replicating the properties of something without needing a link to that thing. Water mimicry allows the evo to become water-like, but he or she doesn't need water around to use this ability. Metal mimicry changes the properties of the evo's skin to be similar to metal, but again, there's no connection to actual metal. The evo doesn't need to be in contact with metal or anything like that to mimic metal. Solar mimicry implies Luke can behave like the sun (emit light and heat) without actually needing the sun, which is strongly contradicted by canon. While it's true that this limit to his ability might be psychological (he only needs to think it's day to mimic the sun), that's speculative and if anything the shows seems to indicate the absorbs light in some manner, since his skins glows when exposed to bright sunlight. Solar channeling describes exactly that: Luke absorbs (but doesn't store, this is important) sunlight then immediately redirects it to shoot heat rays or whatever. As for photosynthesis being a form of solar channeling: Sure, that's correct, and luminescence is also a biological process and illusion can be just a magic trick. Precedent is that ability names that could refer to ordinary things aren't necessarily forbidden. As for using his ability indoors: When he burned his son's room, it was a minimal use of his ability. He only ignated a small fire that later grew on his own. This is consistent with the minimal sunlight entering the room. --Potatoes (talk) 16:48, 17 January 2016 (EST)
                • I disagree that mimicry cannot have any kind of presence requirement to the item(s) being mimicked. I think one of the most common types of mimicry is camouflage, a type of visual mimicry, where many of the animals, insects, and other creatures that use this type of mimicry normally sense the item being mimicked (often a leaf or a branch) when they change themselves to mimic it (whether it be to change their shape, color, or other behavior). There are examples of substance mimicry outside of the show where the mimic has to touch the material in order to transform his skin to that material (see Wikipedia:Absorbing_Man#Live_action for one instance from Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.)... From the original Heroes series, Peter Petrelli had to be at least in the presence of someone with an ability to absorb it for later use, and Monica Dawson had to see a physical action performed before she could replicate it afterwards herself. So for me, solar mimicry works regardless of whether or not the sun being outside is only a psychological requirement, whereas solar channeling is only correct if it isn't just psychological. My point with plants also being solar channel-ers of sorts was that "solar channeling", if it is a correct name, only denotes the absorption of the sun's energy and not what Luke can do with that energy, so it is not as specific a name. My point regarding Dennis's room was just that he could use his ability even in dim light, but I do agree it was a minimal use of Luke's ability.--MiamiVolts (talk) 19:20, 17 January 2016 (EST)

Being that he absorbed the first solar flare, I guess "Solar energy absorption and manipulation" would be the best name. Sandubadear (talk) 14:43, 22 January 2016 (EST)

  • I don't think he really absorbed it. He just channeled some of its energy through him like when he's powered by the sun. The flare comes from the sun so it worked. When he destroyed the flare, he exploded inside it and the energy dispersed it.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 14:53, 22 January 2016 (EST)
    • Had Luke redirected the flare out into space, then I think there would be a much stronger argument in favor of solar channeling than solar mimicry as the name for Luke's ability, but Luke seemed to me to disperse the flare with a similar type of exploding effect as when Peter exploded over New York City... to me, the rising up towards the sun could have been caused by Luke mimicking the sun's electromagnetism and then taking on solar form... I think Luke's dispersion could essentially be Luke performing a weak supernova, like a star could do when combining with another star (see Stellar collision), and I think all of what Luke did before entering and inside the flare could have been caused by just Luke's heightened adrenaline due to being near the flare and knowing he's likely to die in his attempt to stop the flare.--MiamiVolts (talk) 18:09, 23 January 2016 (EST)
      It seemed to me that the ginormous solar energy coming with the solar flare is what powered him that much, and he couldn't handle all the energy and exploded, dissipating the solar flare. Sandubadear (talk) 14:05, 26 January 2016 (EST)
      • I'm still not sure whether or not solar energy is powering him or whether it's adrenaline or both or something else... as for control, to me he seemed to have a good handle on his ability, handling his propulsion up to the flare very calmly... whereas when Peter Petrelli and Ted Sprague from the original series had begun to lose control, I think they were normally very panicked. I think it's when he got up to/inside the flare that Luke lost control, just as when two stars collide, one or both of them can go supernova (explode). (I linked above to the Stellar collision article on Wikipedia as a reference)--MiamiVolts (talk) 22:39, 26 January 2016 (EST)

Heliokinesis

Potential name for it could be Heliokinesis. http://heroes.wikia.com/wiki/Heliokinesis --Snow Leapord (talk) 11:05, 1 June 2017 (EDT)

  • That was floated earlier back when the series was still airing. We have our naming convention to help determine ability names and unfortunately the series didn't give us a higher quality canonical name nor was there any consensus on an accurate common name, so it remained Luke's ability. (Admin (talk) 23:16, 7 June 2017 (EDT))