Talk:New York City hospital

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I noticed something when writing this article. Many location articles have the GN occurrences in the About section, while we in other articles have been very careful about keeping only 100% canon material in the About section, and then have an extra section for the almost-canon material. Which policy should we stick to? -- Cuardin 14:42, 28 January 2007 (EST)

You're absolutely right - good observation. That's kind of a tricky issue because we began by keeping the GN info in the notes. Then we had some places and people that were strictly GN-related, so we put the info in "About" section. Now we've got quite a few (Peter's hospital being a prime example) that really take place in both. Personally, I feel it's okay to put the GN reference in the article space so long as it's clearly marked as a graphic novel. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:20, 28 January 2007 (EST)
  • Why shouldn't GN material be canon? Granted, they might have minor discrepancies with the show. But they still make valid contributions to the show to the degree that they're intended. And it seems like NBC is flirting with making Heroes a multimedia experience, where the GN's and Heroes360 will become integral supplements. When Hana Gitelman becomes a regular character is her article really going to be restricted to on-show material?--E rowe 15:27, 28 January 2007 (EST)
    • Well, I happen to agree with you that the GNs should be included in the article space, but not necessarily that they should be considered the same level of "canon-icity" as the episodes. However, I'm not the one to make that decision, the community is. If you want to start that discussion, post a comment on the community portal. (And does anybody know the word for "canon-icity"? hehe) - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:41, 28 January 2007 (EST)
      • The word is canonicity. Good call.--E rowe 15:46, 28 January 2007 (EST)
        • Wow, I didn't think that was a real word. Go figure. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:51, 28 January 2007 (EST)
    • It has less to do at this point with treating them as non-canon and more to do with making sure we note what's from graphic novels for readers who haven't been following them. Most of the people I know who watch Heroes casually have never read any of the graphic novels. Noting what information comes from the novels achieves two things: one, it stops non-readers from going through the shock of thinking they've missed something, and two, it stops them from removing info from the graphic novels because they don't think it's actually happened.--Hardvice (talk) 16:17, 28 January 2007 (EST)
    • Incidentally, the rule has always been that Graphic Novel material can go in the main article space so long as it's noted as coming from a graphic novel. It's just that most of the early graphic novels lent themselves more to being mentioned in Notes since they were far more supplemental than recent ones have been. Personally, I think we should go back and add, say The Crane to Hiro's history ... but we should still label it as a graphic novel.--Hardvice (talk) 16:17, 28 January 2007 (EST)
      • I always suspected you of being insightful, Hardvice! ... What's your opinion on where they go in the article - chronologically according to events that happened, or according to release date? (Personally, I feel release date is more appropriate.) - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:36, 28 January 2007 (EST)
        • Most of the time, those should be the same thing, with a couple of exceptions like Turning Point. I can see value either way: since it's a history, chronologically makes sense, but we do the episode histories sequentially (even for 6MA), so that would work too. Long story short: I have no strong opinion.--Hardvice (talk) 18:43, 28 January 2007 (EST)

Same hospital as before?

Is there any evidence that this is the same hospital Peter stayed in after his jump/fall? I didn't find anything but some speculation. If they transported Peter all the way from Odessa to NY to put him in the hospital, I'm assuming it's because they really liked the place, like it's the place they "always" go to. But that's speculation. Any other ideas? - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:44, 28 January 2007 (EST)

  • I can grab some caps for comparison purposes, but I guess all that would really prove is that they used the same set. I haven't really given it much thought.--Hardvice (talk) 23:52, 28 January 2007 (EST)
  • I don't think we'll ever really know, unless Peter somehow ends up in the same hospital room AGAIN. For now, I think all we can do is put it down as a possibility in the "notes" section. - --CelestialMystic 23:54, 28 January 2007 (EST)
    • It does have the same blue sheets and the same vertical blinds, but again, that's probably just an indication that they used the same set. Now I wonder if it's the same hospital that Heidi was taken to?--Hardvice (talk) 23:57, 28 January 2007 (EST)
      • Do you want to take bets that if they ever show Niki or Matt in a hospital, it'll be the same set, too? :) - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:02, 29 January 2007 (EST)

Name Change

I think we should probably call this article "New York hospital". It's a bit more inclusive and allows for growth. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 01:55, 21 February 2007 (EST)

  • Agreed. Even though we don't know the actual name of the hospital yet, we can be pretty sure Peter doesn't actually own it. :) (Admin 09:23, 21 February 2007 (EST))

Multiple hospitals?

Are we content to use this article for all references to unnamed NYC hospitals? Couldn't we do something like New York City hospital(I), New York City hospital(II), New York City hospital(III), like we do for Linderman's guards?--MiamiVolts (talk) 14:57, 4 September 2007 (EDT)

  • The hospital where Blackout is set is New York City hospital (Blackout). Hospital (Blackout) also redirects there. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:25, 4 September 2007 (EDT)
    • There's still the matter of whether it is the same hospital where Peter recovers from being in acoma after being in Odessa, where Peter recovers from jumping off a roof, and where Heidi is taken after the car accident in Six Months Ago. Should we seperate them?--MiamiVolts (talk) 14:43, 5 September 2007 (EDT)
      • They are separated. The article's history only makes mention of the hospital in which Peter recovered after his Odessa incident. There is no article for the hosptial shown in Don't Look Back and Six Months Ago. The article only mentions them in the notes, explicitly saying that it's unclear if they're the same or different hospitals. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 14:49, 5 September 2007 (EDT)
        • Exactly what I meant--should we add articles for each (ie. hospital (Godsend), hospital (Don't Look Back), hospital (Six Months Ago) for completeness sake, heh? I'm fine with it as it is, just double checking what others thought.--MiamiVolts (talk) 15:12, 5 September 2007 (EDT)
          • I suppose if a location appears in Heroes, an article can be written about it. But, no, I personally don't think we need to have such minor articles right now--especially ones that will have potentially ambiguous and confusing names. I agree with you, I'm fine with it as it is now. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:02, 5 September 2007 (EDT)