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Should we divide this up into two pages?

It's freakin' huge.--Riddler 21:40, 4 December 2007 (EST)

  • So is examples of empathic mimicry. Just 'cause it's big doesn't mean it has to be two pages. That, and 1) it's easeir to navigate with just one page, and 2) there's no natural breaking point. --Hero!(talk)(contribs) 21:45, 4 December 2007 (EST)
    • I agree, Heroe, I don't think it needs to be split quite yet. Do you have a suggestion for where it should be split, Riddler? -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:13, 4 December 2007 (EST)
      • Well, there are 40 powers... 20 a page would fit nicely, with 5 rows of 4. But it's up to you guys, I just thought it had alot of pictures. I don't think the five per row works too well either though, it stretches the page quite a bit.--Riddler 22:26, 4 December 2007 (EST)
  • Another option is to split off any powers that are specific to the graphic novels, much like what we've done with graphic novel characters, graphic novel locations, and graphic novel places. By my count, that would make nine powers move, which would leave us with 31. That seems a bit more manageable. (Incidentally, list of abilities wouldn't have to change, nor would template:power.) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:44, 16 December 2007 (EST)
    • I like that option a lot more. It matches the splits in other portals and is not arbitrary.--Hardvice (talk) 22:02, 16 December 2007 (EST)
      • Same here. --Hero!(talk)(contribs) 22:03, 16 December 2007 (EST)
        • I don't like the idea of splitting off the graphic novel abilities. Many of the abilities are used in both the graphic novels and the show. And what about abilities that are only shown in Heroes evolutions, like in a video segment? To me, it makes more sense to me to do an alphabetical split, keeping three rows of five per page. It is likely that in each volume several new powers are going to be introduced and setting up an alphabetical system now during the offseason of the show should not be difficult. We can probably even use dpl to automate it (the abilities themselves should be those articles in Category:Abilities which are not in Category:Lists).--MiamiVolts (talk) 23:30, 16 December 2007 (EST)
          • Ryan said to split off the abilities that were only in the GNs...--Hero!(talk)(contribs) 23:53, 16 December 2007 (EST)
            • From what I can remember, it's be Water mimicry, Replication, Omnilingualism, Electrical absorption, Electromagnetism, Bliss and horror, Dehydration, Enhanced speed, Plant growth, and if you want seperate other non-show powers, Clairsentience as well. --Riddler 23:57, 16 December 2007 (EST)
              • User:Heroe/Graphic novel abilities. --Hero!(talk)(contribs) 00:05, 17 December 2007 (EST)
                • So we'd have "Portal:Abilities except those in the graphic novels" and "Portal:Graphic novel abilities"? That doesn't make much sense to split off just 9 when the remaining page still has so many.--MiamiVolts (talk) 00:37, 17 December 2007 (EST)
                  • You could have "Episodic abilities". Personally, I would not like a split. It's fine for me. It's a portal, and sometimes portals get large.--Bob (talk) 00:46, 17 December 2007 (EST)
                  • It wouldn't be called "Portal:Abilities except those in the graphic novels", it'd be called "Portal:Abilities", and the other would be called "Portal:Graphic Novel Abilities". It would follow the exact same format as Portal:Locations and Portal:Graphic Novel Locations. We would leave list of abilities alone and put all abilities there, just like we put all locations on Template:Locationmap. As for clairsentience, I wouldn't be opposed to splitting it (removing ten altogether from the page) since it's already included on Portal:Evolutions Other. If more abilities are shown only in Heroes Evolutions (like video segments, as suggested), it would certainly warrant "Portal:Evolutions Abilities". I agree with Bob, I don't think a split is necessary at all, but if we have one, splitting by GN would match the splits we have for other categories, and it wouldn't be an arbitrary split. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 05:30, 17 December 2007 (EST)
                    • So you are calling the Minor Characters and Guest Stars portal splits via alphabet arbitrary? They were split so that everything was viewable on a single screen such that you didn't have to scroll down to view all the entries. I actually don't mind splitting off the graphic novel and evolutions abilities, but it's not enough, imho.--MiamiVolts (talk) 11:06, 17 December 2007 (EST)
                      • Well ... yes. Splitting the minor characters into pages of fifteen cells is completely arbitrary. Why not twenty? Why not twenty-five? Nothing distinguishes characters 1-15 from characters 16-30 except their names and an arbitrary number of characters per page, so the split is arbitrary. Unfortunately, in that case, there's not much else we could have done. Here there is (and in fact, splitting the graphic novel characters off from the series characters is something we did a long time ago). We try to avoid arbitrary splits in the portals as much as possible, because meaningful classification makes things easier to find, but arbitrary classification makes things more difficult to find. Sometimes it's unavoidable. Incidentally, splits for GN powers, GN events, etc. were planned all along when the portals were developed--there just weren't enough articles at the time to justify them.--Hardvice (talk) 11:59, 17 December 2007 (EST)
                        • I thought the minor chars and guest stars portals were chosen to be 15 to guarantee they would be fitting on the standard screen.--MiamiVolts (talk) 12:30, 17 December 2007 (EST)
                          • Still an arbitrary split. There's nothing categorically different about 1-15 compared to 16-30.--Hardvice (talk) 04:11, 18 December 2007 (EST)
  • So after crumpling, I'm starting to want the split between GN and the show. I know there's a lot of fans of the show that don't like the GN because of powers like crumpling and dehydration, and with crumpling, I'm starting to see why.--Bob (talk) 14:49, 25 December 2007 (EST)
    • I think we have consensus to do the Graphic Novel split, but should we have a consensus check before doing it?--MiamiVolts (talk) 17:19, 25 December 2007 (EST)

Automating

  • I'm testing out automating this portal here; still a work in progress but it's a start.--MiamiVolts (talk) 02:34, 17 December 2007 (EST)
    • Ok, it's looks to be all set. I'll add a rename template tag now so you can take a look at it. I could split off the graphic novels from it, but with only nine GN-only abilities I think the reason that there's not enough to warrant it holds true.--MiamiVolts (talk) 02:15, 18 December 2007 (EST)
      • I just don't see much reason to automate this one, I guess. To be clear, I'm not really opposed to it -- I just think it's kind of unnecessary. And I still think the GN-only powers should be split off, along with any other GN-only stuff that has enough articles to form a portal. It seems random to treat GN characters, locations, and places separately but not GN items, powers, and groups. If we have separate top-level categories for the show, the GNs, and evolutions, we should use them whenever possible or do away with them--not use them haphazardly as the mood strikes us.--Hardvice (talk) 04:10, 18 December 2007 (EST)
        • I just didn't think nine novels was enough to warrant a seperate portal, as I think it's kind of unnecessary. But since a majority of the commenters think GNs should be split, I've no problems doing that.--MiamiVolts (talk) 13:48, 18 December 2007 (EST)
          • I'd agree that it's unnecessary if there was any possible justification for segregating some graphic novel content but not others. I don't see anything fundamentally different about GN-only characters and GN-only powers. They're all graphic novel content, and belong under the umbrella of Category:Graphic Novels instead of Category:Heroes.--Hardvice (talk) 15:41, 18 December 2007 (EST)
  • I don't really like automating portals- I think it discourages new users from trying to edit them. --Hero!(talk)(contribs) 14:57, 18 December 2007 (EST)
    • That's the whole point. If the portals are automated, new users can spend more time focusing on the article itself and less on putting it in a portal.--MiamiVolts (talk) 15:19, 18 December 2007 (EST)
      • There are advantages to not automating portals, too -- we can include wanted articles, and we have more control over how content displays (using alternate images, overriding links and text on an individual basis, overriding layout and formatting where necessary, etc.) Really, it's only multipage portals that gain much from being automated (in that it eliminates an otherwise arduous, multi-page update process)--and I still don't think this needs to be a multipage portal, whether GN/Evolutions-only powers are removed or not. It's long, but it's not unmanageably long.--Hardvice (talk) 15:41, 18 December 2007 (EST)
        • I agree. I love that we don't have to update five articles every time a character's name changes, or if every time we promote a character from guest to supporting. However, I much prefer having some control over the way a portal looks, and I don't like controlling it through categories which don't always fit (is rift really a list?) and other methods which sometimes seem like we're bending over backwards to have something be automatic. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:56, 18 December 2007 (EST)
          • Ok, we can add a related-articles category for abilities and move ability extension, ability heredity, ability theft, paradox, prophecy and rift to that category. Simple enough. Anything else?--MiamiVolts (talk) 16:03, 18 December 2007 (EST)
            • So the answer to the problem of "making changes to articles merely for the sake of automating a portal that doesn't really need to be automated to begin with" is ... making more changes to articles?--Hardvice (talk) 16:26, 18 December 2007 (EST)
          • Wait, what? Rift is really in Lists? No, just no. We can't assign the wrong categories to articles just to make an automated portal work. That article is in no way a list. I'd rather add a variable to the infobox and pull that value instead if it came down to it--or add a blank template and use "USES" in the dpl statement--or any of the other ways to make this work without adding junk information to an article. Or heck, not automate a portal that doesn't real need it to begin with.--Hardvice (talk) 16:37, 18 December 2007 (EST)
            • In this case, yes. I already changed those articles by adding the Lists category as they each contained a list of abilities or a list of cases where events tied to abilities occurred. However, we are obviously not in agreement that those articles are Lists, hence more changes are necessary to remove that category, so why not add a new category at the same time? On another note, I thought we always wanted the portal image to match the article image, and I don't really see the case materializing of needing a wanted article for an ability. That said, I also want to note that individual rows can be de-automated quite easily.--MiamiVolts (talk) 16:44, 18 December 2007 (EST)
              • Actually, the case where we want a different image in the portal has already come up: Candice Wilmer in the Season Two minor characters portal was using an image of Rachel Kimsey as "Michelle". After automation, it's back to Missy Peregrym. Another potential problem with image automation is when an article appears in two different portals with different sized images, like Dinosaur. If all of the portals are automated, it'll have to have a hidden character box added for the Animals portal to work. In general, articles which appear in multiple categories create a headache for portal automation; see Darryl Chan, for example. I still don't see the point in automating this portal, and I think automation is being discussed just to gloss over the discussion about whether it even needs to be split in the first place, or how to split it.--Hardvice (talk) 16:59, 18 December 2007 (EST)
                • This is a separate issue from minor characters and animals. This is just a debate on whether abilities should be automated, not the other portals, and I've already given my opinion on that above (for my opinion on splitting alphabetically, see the previous section).--MiamiVolts (talk) 17:16, 18 December 2007 (EST)
                  • Yes, but the problem of articles in multiple categories could conceivably apply to all automated portals, including powers. "Clairsentience" is in both Heroes Evolutions and Powers. I think we're better off automating portals only when they need to be split alphabetically (we could conceivably do Issues as well, but at the rate of one per week and with no name changes, it seems pointless to do so).--Hardvice (talk) 17:39, 18 December 2007 (EST)
                    • I'm not a big fan of automating portals that don't need to be automated. I like having manual control over this portal, and we're not adding new abilities each week. The argument that leaving them as is so others can practice editing doesn't fly with me, but the argument that it's good to have some control over the content does fly with me. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 19:08, 18 December 2007 (EST)
                      • , I don't care for the automating either. It looks confusing and is much easier to just look at one page. -- Catalyst 12:27, 21 January 2009 (EST)

Other subcategorization

I just haven't seen a good reason to split this, alphabetically or otherwise (and there are other (undiscussed) options, of course--we can subcategorize any number of ways like we do with Places, we can separate powers to match the characters who possess them (major, supporting, recurring, minor--not that that's a good option, but it's an option), etc. It seems like an alphabetical split, which is usually our last resort, may be premature even if we need to split.--Hardvice (talk) 17:39, 18 December 2007 (EST)

  • Other classification has already been thought of, but doesn't work. The abilities no longer name their possessors in the portal, so SacValleyDweller and myself had come up with a couple of different ways to subcategorize the abilities by the nature of their effects, but we found that both classification systems were better suited as theories since the basis as for what ability belonged in what category was essentially a theory. Thus, we now have Theory:Abilities by classical element and Theory:Abilities by Dr. Suresh's category.--MiamiVolts (talk) 18:02, 18 December 2007 (EST)
    • Right, those are great theories, but they wouldn't work for splitting this portal, if you ask me. I have no problem splitting off the graphic novel powers (especially since a friend recently came to me and was a little perturbed that they had to "ignore" the GN content that's included on this page since they don't believe they should have to read the comics in order to enjoy Heroes), but I don't see a dire need to split the page yet. It's long, but not terrible. I'm not against a split, I'm just not going to fight for one, either. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 19:05, 18 December 2007 (EST)

Consensus check

Split to Portal:Graphic Novel Abilities and Portal:Abilities

Don't split

  • No need right now. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:06, 27 December 2007 (EST)
  • To split would be to label the GN abilities inferior to the others in some way --SacValleyDweller (talk) 18:02, 14 January 2008 (EST)
  • Seems fine to me. --Ice Vision (talk) 18:44, 14 January 2008 (EST)
  • I don't think there is any need to split the pages. The graphic novel abilities have no similarities except for the fact that they're graphic novel abilities! I think the pages should stay. And why were they changed anyway? Jason Garrick 18:00, 24 February 2008 (EST)
    • This is kind of an old discussion, but the plan from the very beginning was to split off the abilities from the graphic novels into their own portal, much like we've done with Portal:Graphic Novel Characters, Portal:Graphic Novel Locations, and Portal:Graphic Novel Places. The consensus check from two months ago was to see if it was time to split the portal or not. Personally, I didn't think it needed it back then, but our list of abilities has grown since then. Now really is a much better time to make the split. Eventually, we'll also have a portal for graphic novel items, graphic novel events, etc. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:02, 24 February 2008 (EST)
  • One page listing all the powers in the Heroes-verse. Splitting characters is different that splitting powers. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 02/25/2008 10:33 (EST)
    • Portals are different than list pages. Portals are for navigation, lists are for comprehensive lists. For a list of all the powers, see powers. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 11:21, 25 February 2008 (EST)
  • Don't split...love a one-point reference page! --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 09/24/2008 21:26 (EST)

Super speed and ando's ability?

even though Ando's ability was very brief, i feel it does deserve the honor to at least show up on the portal as "Ando's ability"... also super speed with Daphne already has a page and what not it just isn't on the portal. I say we add it but some people know better than i.--Pbmarcano 21:12, 24 September 2008 (EDT) --EDIT-- while were at it maybe mohinder's ability as well?

  • I'll take care of it. The pages have been created, they just haven't been added to this portal yet. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:35, 24 September 2008 (EDT)
    • thanks, sorry i couldn't be more help, i guess this can be erased now.--Pbmarcano 16:25, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Psychometry

According to one of the previews from the Heroes Countdown episode, we're going to be seeing Psychometry coming into play. Psychometry is the ability to touch an object and instantly know it's history; where it's been, where it came from, etc. A search for Psychometry currently redirects to Clairsentience, so once it debuts on the show will it remain as a subclass of Clairsentience, or will it receive it's own page and place on the portal? Anticrash 18:54, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

  • The character used in that segment is Bridget Bailey, who has clairsentience. The name and content is derived from BBC's coverage of Heroes, but was later picked up by the Heroes staff, and is now Heroes Evolutions content. So, the name comes from the writing staff, and will stay that way. I'm not sure where you got that name from.--Bob (talk) 19:11, 26 September 2008 (EDT)
    • As well, the name "clairsentience" is explicitly used in Bridget's emails to Mohinder. Chandra used the term (and wrote an entire chapter about it) in Activating Evolution. Unless they use the term "psychometry" on air, there won't be any need to change the name of the article. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:50, 26 September 2008 (EDT)
      • Okay, I get it now. I didn't realize that was the clairsentient girl from the BBC. I used the term "Psychometry" just because Angela said that she can "touch an object and know it's history," which is the definition of Psychometry. I didn't know that they applied that definition to clairsentience. It's a term I've been aware of for years, so when Angela used that description I immediately made a connection Psychometry. In my experience, clairsentience has always related more to universal awareness (like a form of Precognition, but at the present time) while Psychometry relates to objects and physical contact. Thanks for clearing that up. Anticrash 01:38, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

When do abilities normally show?

From what I've seen, it's mid-20s to 30/40s for a "parentally normal" person, and young child to teen for those with parental powers. Is that about right? Lorddarigarn 08:30, 21 November 2008

  • I don't think there's any rule. Peter is not have "parentally normal", yet he displayed his powers when he was in his 20s. Penny's parents both have powers, yet she's never displayed a power herself. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 10:47, 21 November 2008 (EST)

ability resistance

its seems that people with abilities have a resistance to others abilities, for example; angela had a resistance to matt's telepathic probing; sylar was able to overcome doyle's pupet hold; matt was able to overcome the hatians anti power field; luke was able to overcome sylars telekinisis to warn his drink up for him. I think this kind of thing deserves a page but i have no idea how to start.

niki vercame mauray to inject herself with the shanti virus

  • I think it's mainly willpower. --Lolwut 17:08, 13 April 2009 (EDT)

i was thinking making a table. 50000JH

Powers from iStories

I think they shouldn't be on the same page as powers from the episodes. Abilities from graphic novels aren't here, so why should the ones from iStories be here?--Alen (talk) 19:32, 12 April 2009 (EDT)

  • They've been put here before, light absorption was one of them. I don't oppose creating a portal for iStory abilities, I just find it unnecessary. If lots of abilities show up only in iStory though, I'd support the split. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 19:34, 12 April 2009 (EDT)
    • I agree with Inuitive Empath and none have images bar light absoption which would mean a portal of blank images. But if more come out the wood work then I don't mind. --posted by Laughingdevilboy

Talk 19:37, 12 April 2009 (EDT)

      • They don't have their own section yet, so they end up with the other abilities. The normal process is to split when we have enough abilities to make it worth it. There are four of them now (Light generation, Linda's, Crazy grin man's, and Water generation) so I guess it would be okay to create a new portal for them now. Four is really the minimum we go with. If someone wants to jump on that, that would be great. PS: If you want to update Template:Power, you first need to create Category:iStory Abilities, edit Template:Infobox Power to assign the category if "iStory=t", then edit the four iStory abilities to apply that variable in the template.--MiamiVolts (talk) 19:43, 12 April 2009 (EDT)
  • I totally agree with alen76, funnily enough i was on this page to make the exact same argument, but i digress. the 'episode' ability page is no longer an episode ability page at all, and will be littered with abilities we will never actually see. hey, you did it for the heroes evolutions clairstience, and that was only one ability. I mean you had more info on empathic mimicry than most of these new abilities --Lolwut 16:56, 13 April 2009 (EDT)

I suggested a while ago that we create a portal for webisode abilities. How about the portal can be 'Evolutions' abilities, and have Webside AND iStory? Included could be water mimicry, teleportation, constriction, accelerated probability, David's ability, and then obviously light absorption, crazy grin man's ability, and the like. -- Tristan0709 talk 00:13, 14 April 2009 (EDT)

    • I like that alot. There should be a page with abilities just from the episodes, the ironic thing is that the admins have done exactly that for the graphic novels, which has less precedence --Lolwut 07:41, 14 April 2009 (EDT)
      • I think the reason graphic novels abilities were made a category for was that there was a lot of them. We haven't seen a lot of webisode/iStory abilities, so I think a category of Other abilities would be alright. However, this would beg the question - which takes precedence, other abilities or GN abilities. In other words, if an ability appears in an webisode as well as a GN (as teleportation and water mimicry does), which category does it go in? For this reason I think we should consider separating abilities into 4 major categories -- see here for an examples of how Template:power would look. --Radicell 07:57, 14 April 2009 (EDT)
        • Yea thats a good point. i think that the ladder should go episodes ---> graphic novels ---> istory/webisodes or something like that. i think that we should place an ability in the area it was seen first (like, water mimicry would be in 'webisode/istory abilities' and teleportation aswell) course that said if it appears in the show it should permanenty stay in the episodes page, like sound manip. --Lolwut 09:00, 14 April 2009 (EDT)
          • Elemental Manipulator posted the same request on my talk page. I agree, we need a new portal. In fact, Miami's comment above is 100% spot on. The portals are designed to get to be a certain size, but then split when we have enough from another medium. (We might also want to think about creating a "Portal:Graphic Novel Items", but that's a different discussion.) I'm not really hearing any dissent on this page--some are saying it's not necessary, but nobody seems outright opposed. And ultimately, since the original plan for the portals was to split them up anyway, I'll go ahead and take care of splitting them. I like the plan outlined above. We can tweak if necessary, but I'll start by making a portal for Evolutions abilities, which will include abilities featured only in webisodes and iStory content. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 19:51, 14 April 2009 (EDT)
          • That's where some (like me) would disagree with you (lolwut) -- I think that webisodes are best placed above graphic novels due to their "live-action" nature. After all, it would make sense for it to go like
            Live-action
            Live-action (on a smaller scale)
            Illustrated material
            Written material
            --Radicell 19:53, 14 April 2009 (EDT)
            • I tend to agree with Radicell on this one. I usually prefer live action images over illustrated images...but I don't care too much one way or another to stand in the way of anything. It's more of a personal preference for me, I think. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:18, 14 April 2009 (EDT)
              • Yes, I also think webisodes should be the higher canon. Some (Hard Knox, for example) were actually intended to be in the show, so I think it would be foolish to consider graphic novels more important, so to speak. -- Tristan0709 talk 00:08, 15 April 2009 (EDT)

Talk 07:42, 15 April 2009 (EDT)

                  • Not sure iStory abilities should be kept with webisode ones, they belong to different levels. iStory belongs to written material and webisode belongs to small scale live action. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 16:11, 15 April 2009 (EDT)
                    • Exactly my point. Also, right now, we seem to have the current system ranking as Episode -> Evolutions -> GNs. But on Template:power, we've got the GN ones listed above the Evolutions ones. It's a minor problem, but raises major questions as to whether or not we want to keep the system that way. --Radicell 19:49, 15 April 2009 (EDT)
                      • Maybe the same "criteria order" we use for ability naming? Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 20:19, 15 April 2009 (EDT)
                        • Radicell, on template:power, they should really be listed alphabetically, not in hierarchical order--I'll fix that now. As for whether webisodes and iStory abilities both belong in under Evolutions abilities, I don't really care one way or another. In fact, I altered template:infobox power so we could easily change it if we needed to (I had a feeling this discussion would surface). I definitely think they need to be split from the episodic abilities. But if we split the Evolutions abilities, we're left with two very measly portals, which seems really imbalanced. I don't have a problem lumping them all together right now...but if it's deemed necessary to split them, I don't have a problem with that either--I just don't like having such wimpy portals out there. :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:34, 15 April 2009 (EDT)
                          • Radicell has a good point however as we've seen so far webisodes and iStory are usually lower with canon material. i agree with Lolwut, episodes-> graphic novels-> webisodes/iStory. Right now aside from the episodes, graphic novels are usually more accurate with canon material and canonocity (is that even a word?). :P Shoyru1177 09:59, 16 April 2009 (EDT)
                            • Who says that graphic novels are more accurate? And for purposes of this wiki, there is no difference in the level of canon (or canonicity) of the graphic novels and any Evolutions content. See help:sources for more information. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:23, 16 April 2009 (EDT)
  • I think it should go (in canonicity) Episodes --> Webisodes --> Graphic Novels --> IStory. But that is my opinion. --posted by Laughingdevilboy

Talk 15:47, 17 April 2009 (EDT)

"Byproduct of" Section ?

I was wandering around here, and i just thought, why not adding a section "Byproduct of" in the abilities' description ? As we often speak of that kind of things, it would be easier for people to find, as some byproducts don't really match the idea we can have from an ability (such as precognition be a byproduct of telepathy).

  • I doubt there would be much use for it, there aren't many abilities with by-products and the one's that do have not yet been fully proven (e.g precognition to be a by-product of telepathy) -- Jenx222 · U · T · C 15:47, 18 October 2009 (EDT)

Update

I think that this page is in need of an update, adding in all of the abilities, or is there a reason that some of them are not on it? --mc_hammark 15:22, 18 October 2009 (EDT)

We have three ability portals, for three "canon" levels, this is for episodes (the highest), the graphic novel (the lowest), and the evolutions (in between). For all abilities, see list of abilities. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 15:31, 18 October 2009 (EDT)
Yeah, I seen that after I'd posted this. It still surprises me that I've been on here for ages yet still haven't seen quite a number of pages! :) --mc_hammark 15:33, 18 October 2009 (EDT)