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== Storyline ==

It it just me or is this storyline getting really good!. Samuel kills Arnold! Joseph tries to kill Samuel! And I hope that was meant to be Samuel at the end because if it isn't then I'm just lost, lol --{{User:Jenx222/sig4}} 05:28, 22 December 2009 (EST)</span>
* So Arnold didn't die because of his tumor, after all. That was totally [[Unexpected]]. Wow. And one thing - Arnold said, "Nobody deserves a fate like that". Was he referring to himself, or to Charlie? {{User:Altes/Signature}}
* Yeah this getting good. I really like how they used Adam in it. Maybe he is gonna become a character who more or less interacts with all the characters in the show. I hope we see more of him in the future.--[[User:Icefire227|Icefire227]] 06:17, 22 December 2009 (EST)
**I believe he was referring to Charlie. Lord knows where Samuel put her...[[User:Swmystery|Swm]] 08:44, 22 December 2009 (EST)
*** Bravo, [[Zach Craley]]. Bravo. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 10:50, 22 December 2009 (EST)
**** Just read, definitely wonderful GN, wonderful storyline :) --{{User:Janrodrigo/sig}} 11:09, 22 December 2009 (EST)
***** Best GN of the season, and it's had some really good GN's.--[[User:Ratclaws|Ratclaws]] 11:21, 22 December 2009 (EST)

== Date ==

Arnold says: 

"How could I not know my own name? Arnold. '''''Born in 1976'''''. Two years after my own son! I '''''should be thirty years old''''', but instead I'm an old man..."

So the timeline is in 2006, evidently. --[[User:Radicell|Radicell]] 05:44, 22 December 2009 (EST)
* Maybe he rounded his age... #@$%, are they all on opium? {{User:Altes/Signature}} 06:02, 22 December 2009 (EST)
*How to Stop an Exploding Man took place sometime in November of 2006 if im not mistaken, and the first episode of Season Two, Four Months Later, took place four months after that (obviously) which would make it in March of 2007, making it impossible for Arnold to supposed to be 30. So I conclude that he was indeed rounding his age.--[[User:Icefire227|Icefire227]] 06:29, 22 December 2009 (EST)

*If the timeline is in fact in 2009 at the moment then Arnold's age original age would be around 32 to 33. plus 48 years going on from 1961 that would put him round about 81 or 82? [[user:"The Listener"|"The Listener"]]
*That seems about right. He could pass for an 80 year old man.--[[User:Icefire227|Icefire227]] 06:35, 22 December 2009 (EST)
** Let's see, Arnold was born in 1976. He went to 1961. 1976-1961=15. So, Arnold lived his original age twice, plus 15 years, plus one year for 2009. If it was 2006, he'd be 30+30+15+1=76 at the very least. {{User:Altes/Signature}} 06:41, 22 December 2009 (EST)
***But its not 2006. The earliest it can be is 2007. I think most of us can agree that Season Two was bad, but the fact that Adam Monroe was in last weeks GN proves that the writers didnt retcon everything Season 2 related from ever happening--[[User:Icefire227|Icefire227]] 06:48, 22 December 2009 (EST)
**** It's not 2006 because the first part of Bloodlines takes place "last winter", which would be December, 2008. So Arnold died at the age of 32+32+15+1=80. {{User:Altes/Signature}} 06:50, 22 December 2009 (EST)
*****So its settled then. Its not 2006.--[[User:Icefire227|Icefire227]] 06:54, 22 December 2009 (EST)
Well, at least SOME people on the writing team care for the continuity of the series. So we're still in 2007, that's nice to know.--[[User:Gibbeynator|Gibbeynator]] 11:01, 22 December 2009 (EST)
* No, we are not. Part of the novel takes place in January, and the Building 26 operation is going on. That could not be 2007, but could be 2008 or 2009. But, since it says last year, that also rules out 2008 as well. More proof that they simply caught the show up with the current date.--[[User:Ratclaws|Ratclaws]] 11:19, 22 December 2009 (EST)

== Samuel's victims? ==

So should we add Arnold to Samuel's victims? because he sort of killed him.. --{{User:Yoshi n1/sig1}} 06:03, 22 December 2009 (EST)
* Done. {{User:Altes/Signature}} 06:06, 22 December 2009 (EST)
* Sort of? -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 10:51, 22 December 2009 (EST)
** No doubt he killed him, so that leaves us with a bit of a plot hole: how did Samuel get back to 2006 if he killed Arnold? Before I just assumed that Arnold brought Samuel with him, and left him there while he took Charlie, but thats impossible now. Other than that, this was a excellent novel.--[[User:Ratclaws|Ratclaws]] 11:13, 22 December 2009 (EST)
*** Was this the final part?--{{User:Yoshi n1/sig1}} 11:20, 22 December 2009 (EST)
****Doubt it, seems like there's a lot more to the story. - {{User:Jenx222/sig4}} 11:37, 22 December 2009 (EST)</span>
*****It was. At the end of the final page, it said "The End". --[[User:Radicell|Radicell]] 20:26, 22 December 2009 (EST)
******Good point there, Ratclaws. Samuel knew Arnold was dead in the present, hence why he made Hiro angry enough to take them back to the carnival.  Based on this GN, it seems like Arnold trapped Charlie in time and transported both him and Samuel back to the present when the blood started leaking from his ears (understandable). But if Samuel then strangled Arnold, how would he have gotten back to Hiro? There are no other time travellers in the carnival, hence why Samuel wanted Hiro in the first place. The only way it could work is if Arnold had sent Samuel back in time before he died. Given Samuel was attacking him, there's really only one reason why he might do this: he was trying to trap Samuel in time the same way he did Charlie (by sticking him in the past with an enraged Hiro). He would have succeeded in this had Samuel not manipulated Hiro into taking them back to the present. Since Arnold was already dying when Samuel attacked, having to use his ability twice in quick succession in addition to being strangled would easily cause enough stress to kill him. That's the most logical way to explain this, I think. [[User:Swmystery|Swm]] 06:49, 23 December 2009 (EST)

== Mel? ==
Am I the only person who feels like we should know who Mel is already? Im not sure why I feel that way, I just do. Oh well--[[User:Icefire227|Icefire227]] 06:19, 22 December 2009 (EST)
*It's [[Melvin Crum]]. --[[User:Radicell|Radicell]] 06:25, 22 December 2009 (EST)
**Ahhh I see. I need to start paying more attention to the names on the phones lol--[[User:Icefire227|Icefire227]] 06:30, 22 December 2009 (EST)
*** Yeah, that was very much a great piece of trivia that was expanded upon. I had to come here and do a search for Mel because I wasn't sure who it was either. When I read "Crum", it made much more sense. :) -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 10:52, 22 December 2009 (EST)

== In the diner? ==

So, does that not mean that Arnold appeared in 1961, if he's the same worker at the diner, the one who told charles not to dance with angela. --[[User:Mc hammark|mc_hammark]] 08:44, 22 December 2009 (EST)
* Yep. {{User:Altes/Signature}} 08:48, 22 December 2009 (EST)

== "Both Lydia and Joseph agree not to tell Samuel about using Lydia's power." ==

Can someone explain me that part of the GN ? Because I don't get it, since Samuel already used Lydia's ability.
* I fixed it. They agreed not to tell him about Danko. - [[User:Josh|Josh]] ([[User talk:Josh|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Josh|contribs]]) 15:45, 22 December 2009 (EST)

== Adam ==
How can we tell that there are tears on the uniform? All I can see is that his name tag is off and some stains, but tears? Do we have additional information? Anyway, we want to know too what happened! --[[User:Juba|Juba]] 16:18, 22 December 2009 (EST)
* <s>Adam just came from the destruction and massacre of Coyote Sands.</s> Misread. - [[User:Josh|Josh]] ([[User talk:Josh|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Josh|contribs]]) 16:45, 22 December 2009 (EST)
**Arnold mentioned something about him having tears in his suit. {{User:Iheartheroes/sig}} 16:55, 22 December 2009 (EST)
***I don't think he said he had tears on his uniform, wasn't he talking about the roof of his house? - {{User:Jenx222/sig4}} 17:03, 22 December 2009 (EST)</span>
****He said "in your suit". {{User:Iheartheroes/sig}} 17:10, 22 December 2009 (EST)
*****I've just re-read it, I can't see where it says that. - {{User:Jenx222/sig4}} 17:14, 22 December 2009 (EST)</span>
******They are in the cafe {{User:Iheartheroes/sig}} 17:25, 22 December 2009 (EST)
*******It says nothing about tears, Ernie remarks on the storm tearing his house roof of (not tears) and asks adam what happened to his uniform. Other than that, there are no references to the word tear. Adam even remarks that "the same thing" happened, which basically shows he wasn't saddened at all. --[[User:Mc hammark|mc_hammark]] 17:31, 22 December 2009 (EST)
****Arnold only says about tearing the roof in my version. If yours talks about tearing Adam's uniform, I think a screenshot would help so we can document that change. However, regarding Adam's uniform itself, the marks on it look more like tears to me since the marks are flesh-colored, and there seems to be at least one half-arc tear on the uniform when the green covers the flesh-colored portion up to the arc.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 17:42, 22 December 2009 (EST)

== Joseph's ability? ==
In what seems like another piece of evidence for Joseph having the empath ability, he was able to restore part of Arnold's memories without having Damien around. Just something I thought was interesting.--[[User:Gibbeynator|Gibbeynator]] 21:00, 22 December 2009 (EST)
*No, I think it was supposed to be that Arnold regained his memories in some accident.--[[User:WarGrowlmon18|WarGrowlmon18]] 21:07, 22 December 2009 (EST)
**Well, the writing is a little weird, but it certainly seems like Arnold instantly remembers everything when Joseph walks in.--[[User:Gibbeynator|Gibbeynator]] 21:28, 22 December 2009 (EST)
*** That happens sometimes to people with some types of amnesia. I believe that sometimes when they see somebody from their past, it can trigger old memories. I didn't see any evidence of a use of a power to restore Arnold's memories. I think he just saw somebody he recognized, and it started to come back to him. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 21:38, 22 December 2009 (EST)
**** I dunno, he WAS bonked on the head, and the brain tumor supposedly erased the rest of his memories. It's also weird that they make it a point to show Joseph touching people.--[[User:Gibbeynator|Gibbeynator]] 08:13, 23 December 2009 (EST)
*****I figured he had just regained his memories some time between 1961 and now. {{User:Vampirate68/sig}} | 21:12, 23 December 2009 (EST)

== I HATE ==

*I hate when they develop good character outside the show , like Arnold and Lydia if they would put Lydias webisodes and graphic novels in the show theyll be getting more ratings , and this history with arnold it would be a nice way to bring adam back --[[User:Cj31094|Cj31094]] 12:27, 23 December 2009 (EST)
**You got a point :) --{{User:Yoshi n1/sig1}} 12:31, 23 December 2009 (EST)
***Cost saving, probably. How much would it cost to bring back David Anders for 1 episode vs. how much it would cost to hire someone to draw Adam.--[[User:Gibbeynator|Gibbeynator]] 14:29, 23 December 2009 (EST)
****Come on, money really cant be such a big issue. ITS '''NBC'''!--{{User:Yoshi n1/sig1}} 14:42, 23 December 2009 (EST)
*****Just saying, money seems like the most logical conclusion--[[User:Gibbeynator|Gibbeynator]] 16:03, 23 December 2009 (EST)
******The last thing they need to do for is bringing Adam back to episodes. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 16:14, 23 December 2009 (EST)
*******Though I disagree with Empath about Adam, why does it matter whether good character development's in episodes or GN's? It's the same world, the same characters. Money might not be an issue for NBC as a whole, but the show does have a budget, and it's cheaper to do it this way. I'd much rather this then we never getting to see old characters again because the show can't/won't hire all the old actors. [[User:Swmystery|Swm]] 18:59, 23 December 2009 (EST)
**Another thing to consider is time investment.  19 hours were ordered for this season.  Each episode has to cover a certain amount of plot with quite a few (usually 4-5) characters.  Going from the point we're at in the beginning of this novel to the end would be almost an entire episode of development for Samuel, Joseph, and Arnold, for just their section of the episode.--[[User:NovaX81|NovaX81]] 20:42, 23 December 2009 (EST)
*OK, so forget about bringing adam back still there is some good character development for the rest of the carnies (ARNOL Y LYDIA)because the only carnie we only got to know is SAMUEL [[User:Cj31094|Cj31094]] 19:16, 24 December 2009 (EST)

== I don't get Adam... ==

Why does he hit Arnold at the back of his head, to finally wake him up and figure out that he got him amnesic ? [[User:CrazyMick|CrazyMick]]
* Maybe he did it because he might have though, "A teleporter! Hiro.." Death stare or something.. or maybe he was working at Building 26 and wanted to stop the evolved human from escaping. --[[User:Scorvi12|Scorvi12]] 23:35, 24 December 2009 (EST)
**I think you may have misunderstood the time this novel takes place, Scorvi. It's about 40 years ago. --[[User:Crazylicious|Crazylicious]] 20:08, 28 December 2009 (EST)
***Yeah, but in 1961, Adam still probably hated Hiro (from events 290 years prior), and the "Building 26" refers to the building in [[Coyote Sands]] where they tested the evolved children. So both those statements are accurate for 1961 and 2007-2009.--[[User:Tim Thomason|Tim Thomason]] 01:54, 20 February 2010 (EST)